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I say it best to do research on Bongo one last time before tossing him into the sun. The chaos artifact has brought some great insight, but it's till a chaos artifact.
Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
- Thread starter Neablis
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I say it best to do research on Bongo one last time before tossing him into the sun. The chaos artifact has brought some great insight, but it's till a chaos artifact.
Angle
Release Candidate Enby
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That's exactly my point though, we don't know the benefits or risks. How much left is there to learn from Bongo? What are the risks of keeping him around? What are the risks of disposing of him? We just don't have good enough knowledge of these things yet. :/
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"Of course we can get safe and usable results out of researching demons! All those other fools just weren't careful enough, but I'm built different!"
My bet is that we will NEVER run out of research on Bongo, but there will be a increasing corruption chance each and every time we interact. Just seems narratively right- chaos does not run out of temptations, and the fruits of demonic research tend to be poisoned.
My bet is that we will NEVER run out of research on Bongo, but there will be a increasing corruption chance each and every time we interact. Just seems narratively right- chaos does not run out of temptations, and the fruits of demonic research tend to be poisoned.
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Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I've got my hard limitation. "If the cost ever exceeds 200 RP, dispose of Bongo"
It's just that I'd rather dispose of him by chucking him into the Black Hole a few systems out, because I can't think of a more thorough way to make sure he won't be troubling us again later. Thanks to that crit, we might actually be able to pull off getting him there, if we can throw enough shields in between us and him.
It's just that I'd rather dispose of him by chucking him into the Black Hole a few systems out, because I can't think of a more thorough way to make sure he won't be troubling us again later. Thanks to that crit, we might actually be able to pull off getting him there, if we can throw enough shields in between us and him.
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To be fair the Emperor may have robbed the Chaos Gods for the greater portion of his psychic power and while he is a monster it's not because he's in the least Chaos corrupted.
Chat really did fall in love with a roomba with a knife taped to it
I wouldn't be so certain that chucking bongo in a black hole is a good idea. In at least some interpretations of the lore I have seen black holes considered portals into the deep warp which kind of makes sense to me given their downright eldritch nature and that if it was so easy to permanently get rid of demons the inquisition would probably just throw all their bound demons in a black hole. On the other hand its hard to know exactly what happens in a black hole cause event horizon so maybe it would work? I just think people shouldn't assume it will be some magic bullet.
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Bongo is our (unwilling) rabid chihuahua gnawing at the plushies we give them.
They're an honorary bean
They're an honorary bean
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
I mean, throwing a Daemon into the Deep Warp is probably gong to have it evaporate, so...
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Personally im fine keeping bongo untill we get the ability to make our own scrapcode
Afterwards our pet demon loses a shiton of value
Anything we couls get out of him demonology wise we could get it from any other demon (and at the stage where we can do scrapcode by ourselves,our psy defenses should be sble to countain lesser demons)
Afterwards our pet demon loses a shiton of value
Anything we couls get out of him demonology wise we could get it from any other demon (and at the stage where we can do scrapcode by ourselves,our psy defenses should be sble to countain lesser demons)
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Regardless of taking Bongo with us or not, I would like to examine the nearby black hole with our new warp sensor we almost certainly unlocked with the crit. Should give us some insight about how extreme gravitational fields affect the warp. The additional data we could potentially get from throwing Bongo into it would be appreciated, even if not strictly necessary.
Hey now, you take that back, Bongo is a thinking, feeling being. The only thing it thinks about is evil and the only thing it feels is hate, but that does not invalidate the point.
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I think you are overestimating how much troubling a random daemon can be, especially when failure for non greater daemons usually means you are not going to be chosen as one of the possibile daemon that their god will allow to be resummoned into the materium.
As for the informations, the thing about not being bound to time is that they probably can communicate with all the daemons they have ever met before being summoned and tell them about us. But it's extremely more likely that they will hide their informations, arrogantly counting on being able to corrupt us in the future.
I agree with you but from the other direction. A whole bunch of daemons likely already know what we are and where we came from. We were in a space hulk for a time and more than once during that time something scraped on the outside of Vita's psychic shields. I think there were daemons or at least something Chaotic on there and by the same token I think there's good odds they got to some other piece of her ship and/or in the head of her old crew before they died, enough so as to know what kind of prize they were looking at only to watch her slip away and smash into Denva per-colonization.
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Thankfully the selfishness of demons helps us here they're not spreading that information still they're probably nearby just looking for an opportunity.
So he is a roomba with bad intentions and a knife I shall make sure to keep this distinction from now on I am sorry good sirHey now, you take that back, Bongo is a thinking, feeling being. The only thing it thinks about is evil and the only thing it feels is hate, but that does not invalidate the point.
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Clearly we just gotta give Bongo a rubber knife and tell it to go wild
It's true name should be 'Bohn'Go'
It's true name should be 'Bohn'Go'
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- Boston
Sorry @Angle, didn't mean to overlook you. This is why i shouldn't do my effort posts before my coffee.
I mean, if we miniaturize psy shielding enough we could trap him in a body..... Just sayin
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'How could we make the Bongo situation more unsettling?'
'Make it ambulatory!'
Looks fine to me, just gotta do a vote action that actually builds them. Added some text calling out drop pods as coming out of -[] Boarding Capabilities.
It's valid, sure. Observatory isn't really that necessary for seeing other ships, but it would let you collect detailed information on all of the planets over a long time period. And no, no research required. Just gotta design the blueprint.
You'd need to get some samples and figure out what they are. Replicating them would be - lets just say hard. There'd be a whole "Aeldari studies" tech tree with soulstones pretty far down the psytech side of it. Well, it's mostly psytech.
Hmm. Added something like that to the follow-on techs from -[] Efficient Psychic Shielding. It'd be to the point you could build it into everything and get an alert when it got corrupted/technomanced.
Added some wording like that to the follow techs for -[] Ground Manufactory Efficiency Improvements tech.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
Thanks! And oh dear, I see that the tech-trees have grown to such sizes already that you needed a new format to compress them.
There are Inquisitors running around the galaxy with daemon swords who haven't gotten corrupted. Hell, getting possessed by a daemon and spitting it back out makes you harder to corrupt.
If you make things out of daemons, there will be warp corruption in them. But learning from experimenting on daemons and making things based on what you learn does not produce that kind of outcome, because you're not building with the daemon's essence.
I say yet again, Chaos is not a cognition hazard. Just don't eat it. 40k has stone age societies getting one over on daemons because of their blind spots and inherent weaknesses.
Oh, and also: Everyone who has corruption concerns ought to be taking a line that is less "kill bongo before it's too late!" and more researching the Cognition Filters and Deviation Checkers.
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meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
On other parts of your post, I agree. But Chaos is still totally a cognition hazard if your soul and will are not armored enough in some manner. And as we know, it is even more of a problem to AIs due to their nature when compared to slower-thinking, less-obsessive-natured fleshy mortals.
Anyway, Nugle can literally infect not only your body, but also your mind.
Article: The plague spreads through the mind rather than by germs, meaning that infection spreads at a very fast rate. The plague appears at first as a zombie plague with survivors. These "survivors" may appear to be immune, with any Imperial Guard protectors quickly getting infected and the survivors being torn apart rather than infected. The zombies will also ignore Space Marines; the plague exploits a grain of its victim's doubt in the Emperor - hence it knows better than to look for this doubt in the Adeptus Astartes, who carry a fraction of the Emperor Himself in their geneseed.[1a] The Doubtworm's victims later turn into humans again, appearing to resist the other zombies, and even grow in numbers.[1b] In the second stage of infection, they mutate into a worm, noted to have many eye-mouths and one giant eye.[1c]