Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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Dmol8 said:
We have 5 options of what we know it could be and one unknown:



A 6 roll on our system is the best option so that means either a best encounter out of the ones we could have had or one of the more friendlier options like Space Marines, Aeldari, Necrons or whatever the mystery civilization is.

Wait did @Neablis reveal that the 6th civilization are Orks? Or are you guessing that?
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I think the Iconoclast Humans just means Denva? So, it would be one of the other five, or one of the two random rolls. Though Neablis said six options, so I assume one of the random rolls strengthened one of the other factions?
 
Angle said:
I think the Iconoclast Humans just means Denva? So, it would be one of the other five, or one of the two random rolls. Though Neablis said six options, so I assume one of the random rolls strengthened one of the other factions?
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Or one of the less mobile factions are not in play right now.
 
Angle said:
I think the Iconoclast Humans just means Denva? So, it would be one of the other five, or one of the two random rolls. Though Neablis said six options, so I assume one of the random rolls strengthened one of the other factions?
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It's a bit odd to me to expect this die roll to have determined which neighbor is coming calling.

It's possible, but it seems like it depends a lot on how much behind-the-curtain sim there is. Are the factions already on the map somewhere, or will they have always been there starting when we find them? (We may never know, the behind-the-curtain QM strategy itself is something that can often remain behind the curtain.)
 
Sesparra said:
Maybe we get a surprise Farsight enclave Tau interrupt from warp shenanigans?
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It wouldn't be Farsight, it would be either the Fourth Sphere Expansion or the Fifth Sphere Expansion. Let's hope we don't have to deal with the Fourth Sphere Expansion in this Sector or Sub-Sector because the parts of the Fourth Sphere that ended up going north turned out to be xenophobic lunatics.
 
Aineko said:
It's a bit odd to me to expect this die roll to have determined which neighbor is coming calling.

It's possible, but it seems like it depends a lot on how much behind-the-curtain sim there is. Are the factions already on the map somewhere, or will they have always been there starting when we find them? (We may never know, the behind-the-curtain QM strategy itself is something that can often remain behind the curtain.)
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Neablis straight up said:

Neablis said:
And a 6 for the first faction you run into. Fascinating.

This is going to be an interesting turn. A good turn for beans. I'm almost certainly not going to finish the update tonight.
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Dmol8 said:
It wouldn't be Farsight, it would be either the Fourth Sphere Expansion or the Fifth Sphere Expansion. Let's hope we don't have to deal with the Fourth Sphere Expansion in this Sector or Sub-Sector because the parts of the Fourth Sphere that ended up going north turned out to be xenophobic lunatics.
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I mean, probably not no, but it would be the most fun faction of Tau to run into imo, cause they actually know things
 
Sesparra said:
I mean, probably not no, but it would be the most fun faction of Tau to run into imo, cause they actually know things
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A lost Fifth Sphere Expedition is a maybe for me, but any Fourth Sphere member is xenocidally predisposed to every non-T'au and especially xenocidal towards humans.
 
We're *miles* from the Tau - like, a whole 1/3rd the circumference of the galaxy. Not as far as we could be I suppose, but still pretty far. So I wouldn't expect to be seeing much of them.

Votann could be closer, we're only a couple sectors from the edges of the galactic core, but I'd still expect we'd need to seek them out if we want to have anything to do with them.

See: Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest Mature - Sci-Fi
 
Dmol8 said:
A lost Fifth Sphere Expedition is a maybe for me, but any Fourth Sphere member is xenocidally predisposed to every non-T'au and especially xenocidal towards humans.
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I meant the Farsight enclaves would be the most fun not the… mad Tau parody of the 4th sphere fanatics.
"Possible allies hiding dark secrets" is always more interesting to me than "xenocidial maniacs #32"
 
Angle said:
We're *miles* from the Tau - like, a whole 1/3rd the circumference of the galaxy. Not as far as we could be I suppose, but still pretty far. So I wouldn't expect to be seeing much of them.

Votann could be closer, we're only a couple sectors from the edges of the galactic core, but I'd still expect we'd need to seek them out if we want to have anything to do with them.

See: Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest Mature - Sci-Fi
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The T'au Fourth Sphere Expansion was scattered across the Galaxy to the North-East so a lost Expedition fleet would have been possibly transported into our starting Sector and even Sub-Sector. A Fifth Expansion Fleet could have ended up near us by looking for them, but the Farsight Enclaves are on the Eastern -most part of the Galaxy so they are not an option.

Votann could be a lot closer if there is a Squat world nearby and because we are a (Wo)Man of Stone that has achieved Self-Awareness we would be considered a cousin to the Votann by the Kin and either given respect worthy of an Ancestor or tried to be salvaged for parts depending on which of the Kin we encounter.

If it's Squats/Imperial Kin then they will most likely just ask for a tech uplift and/or political aid.

If it's a Prospect then that depends on which kind of Prospect we are dealing with.

If it's something stable and independent like the Demiurg then we may be dealing with a Splinter Fleet of Jormungandr having reached our Sub-Sector because those specific Squats are a civilization onto themselves and stick to the East of the Galaxy in the Ultima Segmentum usually. Also the Demiurg/Prospector Brotherhoods would be curious about us.

If it's the Gnostari, which are located to the west of us near Cadia, then we are dealing with opportunistic Pirates that like to raid in the wake/during Chaos incursions. These sort of Kin are a shoot on sight problem.

If it is just a bog standard Prospect of an actual League then it depends how they respond to finding a Man of Stone. They could want to salvage us for their League, do a Technology trade, recognize us as a long lost relative or just outright shun us.

If it's an actual League then our Tyranid Problem is worse than we thought.
 
Dmol8 said:
The T'au Fourth Sphere Expansion was scattered across the Galaxy to the North-East so a lost Expedition fleet would have been possibly transported into our starting Sector and even Sub-Sector. A Fifth Expansion Fleet could have ended up near us by looking for them, but the Farsight Enclaves are on the Eastern -most part of the Galaxy so they are not an option.

Votann could be a lot closer if there is a Squat world nearby and because we are a (Wo)Man of Stone that has achieved Self-Awareness we would be considered a cousin to the Votann by the Kin and either given respect worthy of an Ancestor or tried to be salvaged for parts depending on which of the Kin we encounter.

If it's Squats/Imperial Kin then they will most likely just ask for a tech uplift and/or political aid.

If it's a Prospect then that depends on which kind of Prospect we are dealing with.

If it's something stable and independent like the Demiurg then we may be dealing with a Splinter Fleet of Jormungandr having reached our Sub-Sector because those specific Squats are a civilization onto themselves and stick to the East of the Galaxy in the Ultima Segmentum usually. Also the Demiurg/Prospector Brotherhoods would be curious about us.

If it's the Gnostari, which are located to the west of us near Cadia, then we are dealing with opportunistic Pirates that like to raid in the wake/during Chaos incursions. These sort of Kin are a shoot on sight problem.

If it is just a bog standard Prospect of an actual League then it depends how they respond to finding a Man of Stone. They could want to salvage us for their League, do a Technology trade, recognize us as a long lost relative or just outright shun us.

If it's an actual League then our Tyranid Problem is worse than we thought.
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Logical, a girl can dream tho!
Personally I'm kinda ambivalent about Votann/Squats so I'm hoping it's someone else, but the space dwarves could be interesting from a "meeting others like us" perspective.
 
Sesparra said:
Logical, a girl can dream tho!
Personally I'm kinda ambivalent about Votann/Squats so I'm hoping it's someone else, but the space dwarves could be interesting from a "meeting others like us" perspective.
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I'm not super interested in the squats themselves, but Vita chatting up a Votann sounds great, and I'd love to see it.
 
Neablis said:
1st: Denva System Exploration, 93+10=103 Critical succes.
2nd: Denva Unification Diplomacy, 100+21=121 Very Critical Success.
3rd: Scrapcode Cleansing, 26+20=46 Success.
4th: Abacus-Warp Interactions, 79+20 bonus=99 Critical Success.
5th: Cia level-up #1. 94. Critical success.
6th: Cia level-up #2. 38. Success.

No need for a perils roll. The mystery roll was a 48, so I'll need somebody to roll a d6 please. I would post the table but that'd be spoilers. Anybody can roll it.

Also goddamn that nat 100. I'm guessing Denva Secundus isn't going to be much of a problem from here on out.
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W must be absurdly proud of Victan.

From radio-liaison to super-spy to expert-diplomat to Planet-Unifier. Sure he's had no small amount of help, but his character arc over the last couple decades resembles the kind where the Emperor suddenly arrives in orbit, congratulates his son on successfully uniting the world, kills 10% of the population for some BS philosophical reason, and drags the lad off on a grandiose space-war-adventure.
 
MooseHowl said:
W must be absurdly proud of Victan.

From radio-liaison to super-spy to expert-diplomat to Planet-Unifier. Sure he's had no small amount of help, but his character arc over the last couple decades resembles the kind where the Emperor suddenly arrives in orbit, congratulates his son on successfully uniting the world, kills 10% of the population for some BS philosophical reason, and drags the lad off on a grandiose space-war-adventure.
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Agreed. To put this into perspective, he is currently better at diplomacy (+11) then the diplomacy specked AI (+10), though they can of course add their skills together which adds up to what I imagine to be about (young) primarch grade at least for the more diplomatic ones. Mortarion probably rolled diplomacy with a -20 even before he decided to make not showering his religion :V
 
MooseHowl said:
W must be absurdly proud of Victan.

From radio-liaison to super-spy to expert-diplomat to Planet-Unifier. Sure he's had no small amount of help, but his character arc over the last couple decades resembles the kind where the Emperor suddenly arrives in orbit, congratulates his son on successfully uniting the world, kills 10% of the population for some BS philosophical reason, and drags the lad off on a grandiose space-war-adventure.
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Shit, it really does, doesn't it? Dude be standing shoulder to shoulder with primarchs...
 
More seriously on the Votan, after reading some of their lore, we'd probably need to delve down the Intelligence Coding tree to do much for their issues.

Vita meeting an ironkin might see a lot of her pre-crash self in them.
 
Angle said:
Shit, it really does, doesn't it? Dude be standing shoulder to shoulder with primarchs...
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Wouldn't go that far, the impression I get is that Primarchs are straight up "As long as it's within my skill set, and I'm not contesting another Legendary scale entity, I Win without a roll"

Their actual skill seems less important than their Narrative Primacy. Which is why any time they ran into something that was similarly stacked early on in their lives, they tended to crumple--it wasn't until the Great Crusade had been going for a while that they got used to actually being contested enough to start dominating again, because the Galaxy was full of Legendary scale blorbos at that time.
 
Alectai said:
Wouldn't go that far, the impression I get is that Primarchs are straight up "As long as it's within my skill set, and I'm not contesting another Legendary scale entity, I Win without a roll"

Their actual skill seems less important than their Narrative Primacy. Which is why any time they ran into something that was similarly stacked early on in their lives, they tended to crumple--it wasn't until the Great Crusade had been going for a while that they got used to actually being contested enough to start dominating again, because the Galaxy was full of Legendary scale blorbos at that time.
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A +20 is actually that in this system, it means you can't fail, though levels of success vary, like Vita and research. That seems pretty accurate for primarchs, at least young ones.
 
DragonParadox said:
A +20 is actually that in this system, it means you can't fail, though levels of success vary, like Vita and research. That seems pretty accurate for primarchs, at least young ones.
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Yeah, what I'm saying is more accounting for those weird moments when you've got some Primarchs that shitstomp, and then you've got others that got shitstomped (Largely mapping directly onto who later became Traitors or not, but that's because 40K thinks subtlety is for losers)

Like the hypertech god implants that could never be removed and hammered into Angron's skull, that were extremely easy to mass produce as well but utterly impossible to take out even by the best science afterwards, or Mortarion's everything ("Oh woe is me I got dropped on a planet where Legendary level Psykers are fucking everywhere and I got abused and mind-slaved by one of them and now I psychotically hate all psykers")
 
Alectai said:
Yeah, what I'm saying is more accounting for those weird moments when you've got some Primarchs that shitstomp, and then you've got others that got shitstomped (Largely mapping directly onto who later became Traitors or not, but that's because 40K thinks subtlety is for losers)

Like the hypertech god implants that could never be removed and hammered into Angron's skull, that were extremely easy to mass produce as well but utterly impossible to take out even by the best science afterwards, or Mortarion's everything ("Oh woe is me I got dropped on a planet where Legendary level Psykers are fucking everywhere and I got abused and mind-slaved by one of them and now I psychotically hate all psykers")
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I think some of that at least is them failing the initial 'circumstance' roll which was not about them doing things at all. Like Angron himself was an infant when they put the Nails in him, I do not think he would have gotten a roll for that. If I were to represent that in a quest the Nails would be an inherent handicap that was acquired in character creation not the result of him failing
 
DragonParadox said:
I think some of that at least is them failing the initial 'circumstance' roll which was not about them doing things at all. Like Angron himself was an infant when they put the Nails in him, I do not think he would have gotten a roll for that. If I were to represent that in a quest the Nails would be an inherent handicap that was acquired in character creation not the result of him failing
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Angron was not a child when he got the nails.
 
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