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On the other hand, if the Californians are relying on pre-Collapse American delivery vehicle technology, he may honestly think he can tank their best shot, depending on how good his own military defensive technology was.

(I suspect that one part of the answer to "so how was Alexander daring enough to muscle in on Pakistan and maybe Israel despite them having nuclear ballistic missiles" was "a very beefy upgrade to Russian ABM systems")

I'm not saying Alexander DOES, to be clear. But he might.
Hmm.Conventional delivery, sure.
I don't think he has any worries about getting ICBM'd. There are air-launched long range cruise missiles that carry nukes and go, but they're mostly enough to threaten Japan and Russian bases in Canada, not the Imperial homeland.

Unconventional delivery though? A several megaton nuke mated to an underwater drone designed to swim into St Petersburg harbor and detonate? A civilian cargo plane delivering air mail? A SADM backpack nuke for special forces that shows up in Moscow and Vladivostok and Yekaterinburg and so on? A nondescript container on a cargo ship? The NCR embassy in Moscow?

I mean, we got a look at the sort of person they have running part of the NCR natsec infrastructure.
I get the feeling Ms Steele plays very hardball.

The US had designs for a LOT of shit during the Cold War.
There's enough there for Cali to dust off and put into service. It would not be a guaranteed country kill, but it's a probable country cripple.
Which given the Empire's enemies over the last four decades, is a death sentence.

-And yeah, you probably have a point about some of his shenanigans being emboldened by industrial espionage-improved ABM systems.
Missile and DEW both; a collapsing US would not be protecting military secrets. Specifically the faceoff with China was probably emboldened by this, if the Chinese still had a sub-1000 warhead arsenal.

I dont think Pakistan ever had enough warheads to be anything other than a tactical or terrorist threat though.
Nuke an invading army? Yes. Smuggle cross-country? Yes. Missile or aircraft strike? No.
No long range delivery, and they were oriented against India anyway.
 
Hmm.Conventional delivery, sure.
I don't think he has any worries about getting ICBM'd. There are air-launched long range cruise missiles that carry nukes and go, but they're mostly enough to threaten Japan and Russian bases in Canada, not the Imperial homeland.

Unconventional delivery though? A several megaton nuke mated to an underwater drone designed to swim into St Petersburg harbor and detonate? A civilian cargo plane delivering air mail? A SADM backpack nuke for special forces that shows up in Moscow and Vladivostok and Yekaterinburg and so on? A nondescript container on a cargo ship? The NCR embassy in Moscow?

I mean, we got a look at the sort of person they have running part of the NCR natsec infrastructure.
I get the feeling Ms Steele plays very hardball.

The US had designs for a LOT of shit during the Cold War.
There's enough there for Cali to dust off and put into service. It would not be a guaranteed country kill, but it's a probable country cripple.
Which given the Empire's enemies over the last four decades, is a death sentence.

-And yeah, you probably have a point about some of his shenanigans being emboldened by industrial espionage-improved ABM systems.
Missile and DEW both; a collapsing US would not be protecting military secrets. Specifically the faceoff with China was probably emboldened by this, if the Chinese still had a sub-1000 warhead arsenal.

I dont think Pakistan ever had enough warheads to be anything other than a tactical or terrorist threat though.
Nuke an invading army? Yes. Smuggle cross-country? Yes. Missile or aircraft strike? No.
No long range delivery, and they were oriented against India anyway.
How easy would it be to whip up a suitcase nuke or a dirty bomb?
 
So is it intentional that Burns is written as the good (Both in the moral send and the sense that they're better written) version of Rumford? ...
@PoptartProdigy may very well have had that specifically in mind, now that I think about it, though remember that Burns was only one of the characters available as our 'Founder' vote choice during nation creation.

How easy would it be to whip up a suitcase nuke or a dirty bomb?
A "dirty bomb" is small enough to be functionally equivalent to conventional terrorism- you end up poisoning a few hundred or maybe a few thousand people, but the long-lasting national consequences of your attack will come not from the damage you did, but from how the target nation reacts to what you did to them.

As to "suitcase nukes," they are almost certainly very very hard to make for anyone who doesn't have the resources of a major nation-state, just like all nuclear devices... Only more so, because miniaturizing a nuclear warhead makes things more difficult.

Plus, by the time you engineer a nuclear warhead down into something that a person can reasonably carry, the yield has dropped off to something like a kiloton, or maybe less. That's a LOT, don't get me wrong... but it's down to the point where people in strongly constructed building several hundred meters from the detonation point have a reasonable chance of survival. At which point the prospective nuclear saboteur/terrorist has to be very very careful getting the bomb into position in order to destroy anything important enough to be worth targeting... And at which point a realistic security cordon can make a difference. Such as "no non-official vehicle traffic is allowed within one kilometer of the imperial palace, and all pedestrians have to walk past security checkpoints, and any pedestrians lugging giant briefcases or extremely heavy backpacks will be quietly spoken to and their papers checked."

Hmm.Conventional delivery, sure.
I don't think he has any worries about getting ICBM'd. There are air-launched long range cruise missiles that carry nukes and go, but they're mostly enough to threaten Japan and Russian bases in Canada, not the Imperial homeland.

Unconventional delivery though? A several megaton nuke mated to an underwater drone designed to swim into St Petersburg harbor and detonate? A civilian cargo plane delivering air mail? A SADM backpack nuke for special forces that shows up in Moscow and Vladivostok and Yekaterinburg and so on? A nondescript container on a cargo ship? The NCR embassy in Moscow?

I mean, we got a look at the sort of person they have running part of the NCR natsec infrastructure.
I get the feeling Ms Steele plays very hardball.

The US had designs for a LOT of shit during the Cold War.
There's enough there for Cali to dust off and put into service. It would not be a guaranteed country kill, but it's a probable country cripple.
Which given the Empire's enemies over the last four decades, is a death sentence.
That does, however, tie into a big complication I mentioned in a previous post. To be deterred by this category of nuclear threat, the Russians have to know California has nuclear weapons- which at the moment, they do not. And the formal announcement would have to be made clear in a way that could not reasonably be a bluff. And Alexander would have to believe that the Californians have the ability to deliver this kind of unconventional nuclear attack, even as a second strike with much of their command infrastructure vaporized.

...When, as you yourself have pointed out, this apparently never stopped him before.

...

Come to think of it, threats of unconventional nuclear counterattack are probably a lot harder to implement than threats of a missile attack.

Remember that one of the hardest problems in designing a nuclear second strike capability is that you need to be sure the counterattack will launch if you are attacked, while making it impossible for some kind of horrible mistake or overzealous idiot in charge of your deterrent force to launch if you are NOT attacked.

Steele would, to carry out the kind of attack you described, need to have a network of agents with nuclear warheads camped out in neutral territory, ready to deliver the bombs at any time. These agents would have to be aware enough of events in the NCR that they could be trusted to use their own judgment about whether to attack if they lose communications with headquarters... but NOT so conspicuously in communication with the NCR that they start looking like potential NCR agents that Alexander's intelligence forces might detect them. The agents would have to have enough discretion to know when to attack and when not to attack, and to never, EVER be overzealous enough to even consider using their nuclear weapons to hurt Russia as a 'first strike' action. And they would have to camp out in neutral territories, because California is simply too far from Russia for most of these revenge options to work without staging out of a third party's territory.

And Alexander would have to know they exist, without being able to find them. For years. And the host nations would have to tolerate groups of foreign infiltrators armed with nuclear weapons and a plan to use them against Russia, on their territory, for all that same time, knowing that the Russians are looking for the infiltrators and that harboring anti-Russian "nuclear terrorists" is a de facto act of war against Russia.

You'd need all of this, or the threat wouldn't be a credible, lasting deterrent.

If the agents aren't prepositioned, then California after a nuclear first strike on its territory may be unable to organize and send them into the field in a timely manner. If the agents don't have their bombs, then the bombs have to be hastily shipped out to the agents in times of nuclear danger to California, creating an extra point of failure in the scheme and an extra way for Russian spies to detect the NCR agents before they can strike.

But if these conditions are met, then the NCR risks antagonizing numerous host nations and has to very awkwardly dangle assets out where they are exposed, for an indefinite long period of time.

...

All in all, I think there's a good reason no nation has ever seriously tried to rely on 'unconventional delivery' as a second strike option for nuclear war. It is way more uncontrollable and way riskier than having a working delivery system. Unconventional delivery (read: nuclear terrorism) is much more of a threat as a first strike than as a second strike.
 
Victoria Falls SUPER EVENTS!

These are short and Brief National Events that concern not only America, but maybe the entire world.

The Chicago Convention

Tragedy is a tool for the living to gain wisdom, not a guide by which to live.
-Robert Kennedy

We Witness the Birth Rattles of a New Nation! For the Commonwealth!! For Revivalism, FOR the Second Revolution!!

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The Declaration is Found!!

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
-The Declaration of Independence

Our Hopes and Dreams for a better tomorrow, from one generation to the next as it always was meant to be.

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The Triumph at Detroit

You will not find it difficult to prove that battles, campaigns, and even wars have been lost primarily because of logistics.
-Dwight D. Eisenhower

A Fitting End for Rumsford's Folly

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The Victorian Civil War

Never Underestimate the Power of Human Stupidity.
-Robert A Heinlein

A Plague on Both Their Houses!! Let them reap the whirlwind of their hubris

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The Era of Revival

America is not just a country, it's an Idea.
-Edward de Bono.

No more fear...The future starts today.

AN: An idea inspired by the Super Events of The New Order: Last Day Of Europe , I wish to form some events that may have happened in this Universe and a few that we've seen and possibly a few we haven't in a headcanon idea of what the rest of the USA is doing.

Also, we have a Musical selection for each event, so as to give a feeling of Joy or Dread and A small blurb on what it means and why it's important.

The Chicago Convention:The Event that started it all, the formation of our nation, the spine and heart of our nation. The Reason why so many of us nearly got banned by yelling at each other on a future we will create. Our little Nation that could be started here.

Music: Frank Sinatra - Chicago (Because of course, it would be, what would you expect.)

The Declaration is Found: We found the Declaration of Independence...THE Birth Certificate of what was once the most powerful nation on earth. It is a symbol of the past, and the dream of a better world (Flawed as the men who made it may be, but they never betrayed what they created.). Maybe it is a sign that such a power, and a better world could be found in the days ahead.

Music: American National Anthem | The Star-Spangled Banner | Epic Version by L'Orchestra Cinématique (We rolled a 99, and too many have fought and died for the ideals it represents for it not to deserve the epic version, the fact it survived the death of the nation is a miracle in itself)

The Triumph at Detroit: In witch a National Army with limited military experience, held together by old US officers and military brigade, destroy the Victorian Navy and Army in such a way that it will likely kill Fourth Generation Warfare as a mainstream Victorian stratagem. Also Logistics is God and The US Military Officers and Soldiers of the past are finally at peace knowing someone kicked the Vicks ass hard enough to give them peace in their afterlife.

Music: The Big Red One Song by Captain Donald T. Kellett (It fits and the Big Red One Carried that fight and Hellfire Burns ended Rumsford's entire military legacy like the sheer badass he was, using common military sense. LEADING TO...)

The Victorian Civil War: Ahh, the power of pride, ego and human stupidity, sore feelings and how best to handle the situation...instead they started to kill each other. And that's great for us...couldn't have happened to a better group of thugs. Leads to the last guy...

Music: Johnny Cash - God's Gonna Cut You Down (God is indeed gonna make them reap that wirlwind, they will suffer for their hubris, plus it fits.)

The Era of Revival: The big mostly offscreen event, revivalism is on the rise now, with a good deal of America more then likely hearing of the success we are bringing to the cause, and with people finally being brave enough to spring up and make something of this brave new world.

Music:America The Beautiful (No matter color, creed, ideology, or origen, this is home to so many, and they can have the best and the worst ideas of what the nature of the future can be, but it is their's to choose.)

The is Cyber, giving you something different from my usual work, a little bit of fun.

Enjoy and listen to the music, its a good selection I thought would fit.
 
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Plus, by the time you engineer a nuclear warhead down into something that a person can reasonably carry, the yield has dropped off to something like a kiloton, or maybe less.
Reasonably carry. There's the rub.
You can get a manportable nuke into less than sixty pounds, or so I hear.But they tend to build them with limited yields because they want limited yields in a demolitions device. Not because they can't squeeze out more boom if they really wanted to.

That does, however, tie into a big complication I mentioned in a previous post.
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It was allegedly done during the Cold War. By both sides.
Boobytrapped KGB weapons caches across the West with possible suitcase nukes according to Stanislav Lunev, ex-GRU officer and defector.
CIA weapons caches in Europe in the event of the Soviets overrunning a country, with the option of nuclear loadouts; it was called Operation Gladio.

And Alexander would have to know they exist, without being able to find them. For years.
Ever read Storming Intrepid?
Long story short, US puts a laser-equipped spacestation in orbit as part of a missile defense system, the Soviets hijack it, heroic US action against dastardly Soviet schemes, blablabla.

The important part is: The US has its station back, its operational, they have a significant military edge. The American president shows up at the summit both angry at covert Soviet action and smug that they won.The Soviet Premier hands the US president a series of polaroids featuring a single KGB agent with a handtruck and a small case. Dude takes pictures of himself and it with major landmarks in the background all the way from Moscow, to Mexico City, across the border, and in a van all the way to Washington.

They started negotiations on arms control the next day.

The openness necessary to run a successful economy leaves enough holes that shipping a payload through in civilian traffic is fairly easy.
Putting one in the container of a ship going to a ship port is even easier apparently.
Demonstrating the capability is not that difficult, honestly. If you want to demonstrate it.

It might suit you better to say nothing though. When you aren't yet ready to try for a breakout.
It's not like he can afford to move troops that far away from the heartland.
That's presumably why he had the Vics for.
 
Reasonably carry. There's the rub.
You can get a manportable nuke into less than sixty pounds, or so I hear.But they tend to build them with limited yields because they want limited yields in a demolitions device. Not because they can't squeeze out more boom if they really wanted to.
There's a practical limit on how much yield you can get per unit of fissile material, especially when you're very limited in what you can do with the warhead geometry and you can't pile a hundred pounds of tritium-laced goop around it or anything. I would be surprised to learn that a "backpack nuke" can be made dramatically more powerful than the historical models supposedly were.

It was allegedly done during the Cold War. By both sides.
Boobytrapped KGB weapons caches across the West with possible suitcase nukes according to Stanislav Lunev, ex-GRU officer and defector.
CIA weapons caches in Europe in the event of the Soviets overrunning a country, with the option of nuclear loadouts; it was called Operation Gladio.
Aaand take note:

Operation Gladio was a 'stay-behind' campaign of sabotage. Much more limited objective than "smuggle a crippling nuclear second strike deep into enemy territory." Furthermore, all the nations where the nuclear demolition charges were notionally going to be cached were US allies that were themselves under Soviet threat, ensuring at least some degree of incentive for the third parties where the bombs were cached to cooperate- if not necessarily with the caching of nuclear weapons. No such incentive would exist for third parties near modern Russia to covertly house the NCR nuclear deterrent.

The aforementioned Soviet caches, meanwhile, may or may not have existed, and may or may not have ever been planned to contain nuclear weapons, and the risk of one or more such caches being discovered would always have been a major concern for the Soviets, especially if the caches contained nuclear weapons.

Ever read Storming Intrepid?
Long story short, US puts a laser-equipped spacestation in orbit as part of a missile defense system, the Soviets hijack it, heroic US action against dastardly Soviet schemes, blablabla.

The important part is: The US has its station back, its operational, they have a significant military edge. The American president shows up at the summit both angry at covert Soviet action and smug that they won.The Soviet Premier hands the US president a series of polaroids featuring a single KGB agent with a handtruck and a small case. Dude takes pictures of himself and it with major landmarks in the background all the way from Moscow, to Mexico City, across the border, and in a van all the way to Washington.

They started negotiations on arms control the next day.
OK. First of all, this is a scene from a novel. Novels tend to dramatize everything and make 'brilliant schemes for winning with This One Neat Trick' seem more practical than they really are.

Second of all, note what is happening here. The Premier is tacitly threatening a nuclear FIRST strike. The subtext (I can read it very clearly from your description of the scene and from having read my Herman Kahn) is:

"Congratulations, you have deployed a laser battlestation that makes you immune to our missile technology, and forestalled our attempts to neutralize the battlestation. You have now rendered our strategic nuclear deterrent increasingly irrelevant, while your strategic nuclear forces will increasingly us at your mercy. As such, we no longer have the means to credibly threaten you with retalation. Therefore, it is to our advantage to strike now, while we still can, with every means at our disposal, in hopes of doing enough damage with a surprise attack to somehow forestall you from making your advantage over us even greater. And one of the means by which we can do so is by smuggling nuclear bombs into your territory."

In this context, the nuclear smuggling attack is a first strike. And it is critical here to understand the distinction between first and second strike threats.

Nuclear smuggling/terrorism is far more effective as a first strike weapon than as a second strike deterrent. Because if you're setting up for a first strike, your spies don't have to be loitering around with nuclear bombs cached in neutral or enemy territory for years at a time!

The openness necessary to run a successful economy leaves enough holes that shipping a payload through in civilian traffic is fairly easy.
Putting one in the container of a ship going to a ship port is even easier apparently.
Demonstrating the capability is not that difficult, honestly. If you want to demonstrate it.
Again, missing the point. The hard part here for the NCR isn't "smuggle the cached bomb into the enemy country."

The hard parts for the NCR are:

1) "Cache the bombs somewhere in neutral territory where it is convenient to smuggle them into enemy territory, and keep them there for years, when the neutral country has strong reasons NOT to want to be used as a ready-made launchpad for a nuclear terrorist attack against its powerful neighbor."

2) "Ensure that the enemy, despite diligent investigation, does not find any of the front organizations and supply caches you are using for this purpose."

3) "Ensure that at no point do any of your spy/smuggler teams get the wrong idea and decide to pull a General Ripper, launching a nuclear first strike, in a society where fanatical hatred of the enemy is common and perhaps even actively encouraged among your security forces as a whole."

4) "Make sure the enemy even knows you HAVE a nuclear deterrent or has good reason to think you do, without exposing your nuclear program in a way that makes it more practical for them to neutralize your deterrent capabilities."

That combination makes the threat of second-strike nuclear terrorism REALLY BAD as a deterrent against the prospect of a Russian nuclear first strike.
 
So I have 3 questions

1) How much could the Czar realistically support the Victorians? A Red Dawn style invasion is out of the question, but what about increased shipments of surplus military hardware or sending personnel to commandeer and reform the Victorian Military?
2) Are Neo-Nazis still a problem? A lot of members of the CFC fought off the Neo-Nazis and I imagine in the absence of the Landwehr, Neo-Nazis would flock to Victoria instead, considering Rumford shows far more respect to Nazis than woman or minorities, and the only reason he opposes the Landwehr is modernism versus traditionalism.
3) If Princess Catherine visits us while the NCR tries to fight for independence, would it be a good idea to try to take her hostage and use her as a bargaining chip?
 
3) If Princess Catherine visits us while the NCR tries to fight for independence, would it be a good idea to try to take her hostage and use her as a bargaining chip?
Cant answer the rest, but I can say that TAKING the Heir to the Russian Empire is a terrible idea...I think we discussed this earlier...but if you want a bad end, you can try.

Personally, treat her civilly, and by god, let her leave in peace.
 
So I have 3 questions

1) How much could the Czar realistically support the Victorians? A Red Dawn style invasion is out of the question, but what about increased shipments of surplus military hardware or sending personnel to commandeer and reform the Victorian Military?
2) Are Neo-Nazis still a problem? A lot of members of the CFC fought off the Neo-Nazis and I imagine in the absence of the Landwehr, Neo-Nazis would flock to Victoria instead, considering Rumford shows far more respect to Nazis than woman or minorities, and the only reason he opposes the Landwehr is modernism versus traditionalism.
3) If Princess Catherine visits us while the NCR tries to fight for independence, would it be a good idea to try to take her hostage and use her as a bargaining chip?

If you want to find out the answer to #1, I suggest trying #3. We will wish we had been red dawned.
 
So I have 3 questions

1) How much could the Czar realistically support the Victorians? A Red Dawn style invasion is out of the question, but what about increased shipments of surplus military hardware or sending personnel to commandeer and reform the Victorian Military?
2) Are Neo-Nazis still a problem? A lot of members of the CFC fought off the Neo-Nazis and I imagine in the absence of the Landwehr, Neo-Nazis would flock to Victoria instead, considering Rumford shows far more respect to Nazis than woman or minorities, and the only reason he opposes the Landwehr is modernism versus traditionalism.
3) If Princess Catherine visits us while the NCR tries to fight for independence, would it be a good idea to try to take her hostage and use her as a bargaining chip?
The short answer to the highlighted is an emphatic "NO".
 
*sigh* Don't you people have any sense of self-preservation?
I think @Ikacprzak is new; they may not have had time to get up to speed on everything.

So I have 3 questions

1) How much could the Czar realistically support the Victorians? A Red Dawn style invasion is out of the question, but what about increased shipments of surplus military hardware or sending personnel to commandeer and reform the Victorian Military?
Bet on it. We've been explicitly expecting this and to an extent even planning for it.

2) Are Neo-Nazis still a problem? A lot of members of the CFC fought off the Neo-Nazis and I imagine in the absence of the Landwehr, Neo-Nazis would flock to Victoria instead, considering Rumford shows far more respect to Nazis than woman or minorities, and the only reason he opposes the Landwehr is modernism versus traditionalism.
The neo-Nazis who were described as active in John Rumford's memoirs (the novel Victoria) are dead. The proto-Chicagolanders and assorted militias in Wisconsin and points north shoved the last of them into their own ovens nearly thirty years ago.

Meanwhile...

Victoria is going to be having food security crises; they can't feed an immigrant population. And they've methodically razed and pillaged the territory within at least a hundred miles or so of their border in most directions, so people trying to move into their territory have problems.

And they have a reputation for just being super-murderous in general, which makes even their admirers more likely to admire them from a distance. And many of those 'Vick admirer' factions will have been running Vick-sympathetic puppet governments around the country. But those puppet governments are now facing a lot of danger of overthrow. Because they've been relying on Victorian support and the threat of Victorian expeditionary forces murdering their enemies. And that support and that threat just evaporated.

I'm not too worried about it.

3) If Princess Catherine visits us while the NCR tries to fight for independence, would it be a good idea to try to take her hostage and use her as a bargaining chip?
It would be a hilariously bad idea.

It would be like assassinating the Archduke Ferdinand.

Killing Ferdinand set in motion a chain of events that was very bad for the Austro-Hungarian Empire, sure...

But it sure didn't do a lot of good for Gavrilo Princip, and the Serbs who masterminded the assassination got the shit beaten out of them. And Serbia in 1914 had stronger friends and more ability to defend itself against the Austro-Hungarians than we have against the Russians.
 
The neo-Nazis who were described as active in John Rumford's memoirs (the novel Victoria) are dead. The proto-Chicagolanders and assorted militias in Wisconsin and points north shoved the last of them into their own ovens nearly thirty years ago.

Meanwhile...

Victoria is going to be having food security crises; they can't feed an immigrant population. And they've methodically razed and pillaged the territory within at least a hundred miles or so of their border in most directions, so people trying to move into their territory have problems.

And they have a reputation for just being super-murderous in general, which makes even their admirers more likely to admire them from a distance. And many of those 'Vick admirer' factions will have been running Vick-sympathetic puppet governments around the country. But those puppet governments are now facing a lot of danger of overthrow. Because they've been relying on Victorian support and the threat of Victorian expeditionary forces murdering their enemies. And that support and that threat just evaporated.

I'm not too worried about it.

I'm not like perfectly worried about it, and certainly, it's not my top worry at all. But Victoria's need to keep everything week would mean that even those governments couldn't expand much. Retrotech obsessed ones will likely fall quickly. But I wouldn't be surprised if a faction or two of fascists, actually do better without the watchdogs. Especially since the likely were always kept as 'the strongest of the weak' and can take advantage to quickly expand. (And would likely feel they have to, as if they don't, their neighbors will quickly rebuild and have opinions about their actions.) That sort of faction isn't likely to be stronger than us but if we are also fighting off Russian sabotage, having to keep upgrading our forces for Victoria's inevitable second attack, and trying to rebuild our own territory... I worry they could be the proverbial feather on the camels back distracting us as a crucial time.

Edit: Also, yeah, I feel kinda bad about my response to @Ikacprzak. It was pithy, but yeah, it's never fun to join a quest, begin getting up to speed, ask a question, and have everyone talk about what a terrible idea it is, sorry about that.
 
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I'm not like perfectly worried about it, and certainly, it's not my top worry at all. But Victoria's need to keep everything week would mean that even those governments couldn't expand much. Retrotech obsessed ones will likely fall quickly. But I wouldn't be surprised if a faction or two of fascists, actually do better without the watchdogs. Especially since the likely were always kept as 'the strongest of the weak' and can take advantage to quickly expand. (And would likely feel they have to, as if they don't, their neighbors will quickly rebuild and have opinions about their actions.) That sort of faction isn't likely to be stronger than us but if we are also fighting off Russian sabotage, having to keep upgrading our forces for Victoria's inevitable second attack, and trying to rebuild our own territory... I worry they could be the proverbial feather on the camels back distracting us as a crucial time.

Edit: Also, yeah, I feel kinda bad about my response to @Ikacprzak. It was pithy, but yeah, it's never fun to join a quest, begin getting up to speed, ask a question, and have everyone talk about what a terrible idea it is, sorry about that.
For the record I've been working my way through the articles and while I would like the princess in and out as quickly as possible, we can always use the security concerns of the princess visiting a nation that's relatively close to a rebelling vassal state as pretext to cut her visit short and postpone any future visits.
 
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Since no one has posted anything I have four questions.
1) How do we fight retroculture at the ideological level?
2) Lind published a book laying out retroculture, does anyone want to read and riff it?
3) Do you think any Victorians have ideas of "Manifest Destiny" in their heads?
4) Does anyone have any good sources for the history of political incorrectness? In the 90's the rhetoric was that they were fighting against censorship and to tell it like its, but nowadays it's just a pretense to be an asshole and throw a tantrum anytime someone tells you what pronouns to use?
 
Since no one has posted anything I have four questions.
1) How do we fight retroculture at the ideological level?
2) Lind published a book laying out retroculture, does anyone want to read and riff it?
3) Do you think any Victorians have ideas of "Manifest Destiny" in their heads?
4) Does anyone have any good sources for the history of political incorrectness? In the 90's the rhetoric was that they were fighting against censorship and to tell it like its, but nowadays it's just a pretense to be an asshole and throw a tantrum anytime someone tells you what pronouns to use?
1. Sadly, I don't have an Answer for that. I hope People with better understanding of such Things then me can come up with a Plan.
2. If you mean the original Victoria-Novel, Coiler made an excellent Riff of it over at SB.
3. What? Proud, honest and God-loving Victorian Citizens settling in these filthy atheist-, anarchist- and communist-tainted Lands? Surely you jest! :V
4. I don't, sadly. But yeah, that's a Trend I noticed as well. Nowadays, when People want to be 'Politically Incorrect' they often really mean 'I want to express my Sexism, Racism, Homophobia, etc. freely and paint myself as a poor, poor Victim of Censorship at the same time!'.
 
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4. I don't, sadly. But yeah, that's a Trend I noticed as well. Nowadays, when People want to be 'Politically Incorrect' they really mean 'I want to express my Sexism, Racism, Homophobia, etc. freely and paint myself as a poor, poor Victim of Censorship at the same time!'.
I will keep to the sentiment that hate speech laws are fundamentally stupid. Assholes are not going to stop being assholes because you ban words or symbols that they use, they'll just find different words to express their assholery. So ultimately everyone but the assholes are negatively impacted.
 
Since no one has posted anything I have four questions.
1) How do we fight retroculture at the ideological level?
2) Lind published a book laying out retroculture, does anyone want to read and riff it?
3) Do you think any Victorians have ideas of "Manifest Destiny" in their heads?
4) Does anyone have any good sources for the history of political incorrectness? In the 90's the rhetoric was that they were fighting against censorship and to tell it like its, but nowadays it's just a pretense to be an asshole and throw a tantrum anytime someone tells you what pronouns to use?
1) By making them look weak, pitiful, and stupid? It's the kind of ideology that only really appeals to people who get to wear the face-stomping boots, and even a lot of them believe it through indoctrination. Victorian sympathizer politics isn't the big threat here, in my opinion; we've pretty well fried it in our home territory and we had so much more of it than average that it was an active malus national spirit.

2) ...That is literally how this entire quest got started. If there's a second book, none of us care, probably.

3) It was probably trained out of them by the Russians back in the '40s. Note that the Vicks never annexed the territories they destabilized, either in the novel Victoria or in this timeline. Victoria remained nice and neatly colored within the old pre-Collapse state boundary lines. In this quest the explanation is simple: Russia didn't want Victoria to become a nation capable of reuniting the United States and getting strong enough to need to be appeased to stay on as an ally, like Japan or India. Russia wanted Victoria as a relatively vulnerable source of sepoys who would willingly wreck the rest of the continent in exchange for the Russian support that Victoria needed to defend it against vengeful victims.

4) I got nothin,' but it's off topic.
 
1) How do we fight retroculture at the ideological level?

Denounce all ideology as the oversimplified pap it is?

Or embrace a new ideology that begins and ends with this:

Oliver Cromwell said:
I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.

Or if you need more add this:

Samuel R. Delany on the importance of treating women well.

Those two sound like pretty solid ideas one could use to dismantle retroculture with.

If you wanted to get fancy, add in a Baha'i style burning passion for unity and diversity.

Yeah, we know about it.

And no thanks, none of us have a high enough SAN rating these days to read it.

Damn that cover is disturbing. What's the message here? That it is time to kidnap women to "save" them from the industrial agriculture, modern city and modern airliner in the sky?

Or that modernity is OK when you put a cute blonde in a 1950s style dress in front?

fasquardon
 
Denounce all ideology as the oversimplified pap it is?

Or embrace a new ideology that begins and ends with this:



Or if you need more add this:

Samuel R. Delany on the importance of treating women well.

Those two sound like pretty solid ideas one could use to dismantle retroculture with.

If you wanted to get fancy, add in a Baha'i style burning passion for unity and diversity.



Damn that cover is disturbing. What's the message here? That it is time to kidnap women to "save" them from the industrial agriculture, modern city and modern airliner in the sky?

Or that modernity is OK when you put a cute blonde in a 1950s style dress in front?

fasquardon
This is Lind we're talking about. So yes.
 
My sincere apologies.
I forgot I was supposed to reply to this a while back, and only remembered it now.
There's a practical limit on how much yield you can get per unit of fissile material, especially when you're very limited in what you can do with the warhead geometry and you can't pile a hundred pounds of tritium-laced goop around it or anything. I would be surprised to learn that a "backpack nuke" can be made dramatically more powerful than the historical models supposedly were.
True that there's a practical limit.

I just think you underestimate how small they can get. I think they got it down into a hundred pounds or less for a low double digit nuke; I can't currently find my nuclear weapons compendium, so I cant swear to it. I'll just point at RL nuclear devices from the US arsenal, which while significantly bigger, are small enough to not be particularly cumbersome:

The W80 150 kiloton cruise missile warhead is about 290 pounds.

The W80 Warhead

The old W76 100 kiloton warhead on a Trident D5 allegedly weighs about 360 pounds.

The W76 Warhead

The W88 is 475 kilotons and less than 800 pounds

The W88 Warhead


Aaand take note:

Operation Gladio was a 'stay-behind' campaign of sabotage. Much more limited objective than "smuggle a crippling nuclear second strike deep into enemy territory." Furthermore, all the nations where the nuclear demolition charges were notionally going to be cached were US allies that were themselves under Soviet threat, ensuring at least some degree of incentive for the third parties where the bombs were cached to cooperate- if not necessarily with the caching of nuclear weapons. No such incentive would exist for third parties near modern Russia to covertly house the NCR nuclear deterrent.

The aforementioned Soviet caches, meanwhile, may or may not have existed, and may or may not have ever been planned to contain nuclear weapons, and the risk of one or more such caches being discovered would always have been a major concern for the Soviets, especially if the caches contained nuclear weapons.
I am aware of all those things.
The point was that it was very much a facet of Cold War thinking.
And we are definitely deep in a Cold War this time around in this setting.

OK. First of all, this is a scene from a novel. Novels tend to dramatize everything and make 'brilliant schemes for winning with This One Neat Trick' seem more practical than they really are.

Second of all, note what is happening here. The Premier is tacitly threatening a nuclear FIRST strike. The subtext (I can read it very clearly from your description of the scene and from having read my Herman Kahn) is:

"Congratulations, you have deployed a laser battlestation that makes you immune to our missile technology, and forestalled our attempts to neutralize the battlestation. You have now rendered our strategic nuclear deterrent increasingly irrelevant, while your strategic nuclear forces will increasingly us at your mercy. As such, we no longer have the means to credibly threaten you with retalation. Therefore, it is to our advantage to strike now, while we still can, with every means at our disposal, in hopes of doing enough damage with a surprise attack to somehow forestall you from making your advantage over us even greater. And one of the means by which we can do so is by smuggling nuclear bombs into your territory."

In this context, the nuclear smuggling attack is a first strike. And it is critical here to understand the distinction between first and second strike threats.

Nuclear smuggling/terrorism is far more effective as a first strike weapon than as a second strike deterrent. Because if you're setting up for a first strike, your spies don't have to be loitering around with nuclear bombs cached in neutral or enemy territory for years at a time!
Yes, I'm aware that's fiction. So is this.

My assessment of that was much the opposite actually. Not a threat of a first strike, but of a circumvention. An escalation in kind. Slower, less sure, more expensive nuclear deployments, with less centralized control, and more prone to accidents. Nuclear caches being one. Ignoring the Outer Space treaty and putting nukes and nuke-pumped weapons in orbit is another. More ICBMs in general. Undersea suicide drones with gratuitously large warheads for detonation off the sea coast. Going the full Teller and building a bunch of GNOMONs and SUNDIALs.

Basically, the KGB drum was just an illustration of the basic message: Your new defense only works under the current paradigm, and will force us into taking measures that neither of us will like.

Again, missing the point. The hard part here for the NCR isn't "smuggle the cached bomb into the enemy country."
The hard parts for the NCR are:

1) "Cache the bombs somewhere in neutral territory where it is convenient to smuggle them into enemy territory, and keep them there for years, when the neutral country has strong reasons NOT to want to be used as a ready-made launchpad for a nuclear terrorist attack against its powerful neighbor."

2) "Ensure that the enemy, despite diligent investigation, does not find any of the front organizations and supply caches you are using for this purpose."

3) "Ensure that at no point do any of your spy/smuggler teams get the wrong idea and decide to pull a General Ripper, launching a nuclear first strike, in a society where fanatical hatred of the enemy is common and perhaps even actively encouraged among your security forces as a whole."

4) "Make sure the enemy even knows you HAVE a nuclear deterrent or has good reason to think you do, without exposing your nuclear program in a way that makes it more practical for them to neutralize your deterrent capabilities."

That combination makes the threat of second-strike nuclear terrorism REALLY BAD as a deterrent against the prospect of a Russian nuclear first strike.
1) Not hard, given that Russia had just destabilized most of a continent.
There is a LOT of territory to cache stuff in under the radar. I mean, it is canon for this quest that some motherfucker enterprising soul came into possession of, and was auctioning a nuke.

2) Russia in this AU does not have unlimited resources.And has closer threats to it's borders, frankly.

There's China, which splintered but didn't fall into anarchy, or lose the three to four digits of nuclear weapons they have. And the EU's nuclear deterrent, whether cribbed from the British and French arsenals, or from a "loan" by the pre-Pacific War California of a couple Virginia Block V attack submarines with 62 Tomahawk/Tomahawk-successors in each of their vertical launch tubes in exchange for economic aid.

Even with Alexei's bugbear about North America, theres only so much in the way of resources he could allocate here while trying to secure his hold elsewhere. Even with Imperial Japan's help.
And while Cali is a shared concern, the Japanese have their own problems much closer to home.

3) This is kinda how the British nuclear deterrent worked. Works, actually.

Each incoming PM writes a set of letters of last resort to the captains of Britain's nuclear subs, which are sealed and put in safes aboard ship.
The submarine captain would be set to listen for transmissions every couple days for reassurance that Britain was still there; BBC transmissions, particular TV and radio programs, that kind of thing.

If they stopped coming, open safe, read letter, follow instructions or own discretion.
Once they cast off, they're independent agents until they return to port.

The risk of renegades has always existed. The US didn't even invent PAL locks for it's nukes until the 1960s, and it wasn't until 1987 that every nuke was fitted with something that couldn't be broken with a pair of bolt-cutters. And there were rumors that the USAF, for example, deliberately set the PAL locks on the Minuteman ICBMs to zeroes just in case the codes would not be received at need.

4) That is up to the GM, of course.
But in a world where California had just watched Japan invade South Korea, and then invade Hawaii, BC and the upper Northwestern US, the actual likelihood of their giving up all their nukes was pretty much nil.

Long range delivery systems as a bargaining chip, sure.
But the "cross our northern border and we nuke you" option would have remained one way or the other, even if it wasn't advertised.
I don't think there is any real illusion on Alexei's part about that, any more than there is about Israel being nuked up.

Would he have planned to leave them with them? No.
I am fully willing to believe that his eventual intentions were to salami slice them into impotence, subverting their political structure and using the same internal destabilization tactics that worked on the Old Country in its time to defang what threat they had left.

But for whatever reason, it didn't work; Cali proved unexpectedly tough to subvert, the deep state went full Cold War Latin America, the Cali populace kicked out any pol who seemed too friendly to Russia, he couldnt spare the resources from his other projects, the resurgence of China refocused his attention, the spymaster who ran his North American ops died and his replacements was nowhere as good.

All of the above. None of the above. Take your pick.


Because I was late, here's a couple tech dumps:

Hypersonic private jets in development
Yekaterina Alexeyevna Romanova's personal jet said:
The US Air Force (USAF) has awarded Hermeus Corporation a $1.5 million contract to assess modifying the company's in-development Mach 5 jet into an aircraft for the future Presidential and Executive Airlift fleet.
Hermeus – a company named for Hermes, the Greek god of transport, and the country of the US – was founded in 2018 and is developing an engine for a M5 commercial passenger aircraft. The start-up says it has successfully tested an engine prototype in a wind tunnel simulating flight at M3.3 at 65,000ft.

That subscale prototype engine was built using an off-the-shelf turbojet used on various target drones and small personal aircraft
. Hermeus declines to name the original engine or its thrust rating, but says it is capable of operating at around 533kt (988km/h) at a maximum altitude of about 25,000ft.

The off-the-shelf engine is modified to power hypersonic flight, says A J Piplica, chief executive and co-founder of Hermeus.
"We have a pre-cooler technology that we integrate to the front of the engine," he says. "We have a ramjet that we put on the back end. And the ramjet is what we used to get all the way up to M5, once we get to the M3 range."
Hermeus' commercial M5 aircraft would not differ too much from a USAF executive transport, Piplica says. The aircraft would have a 20-passenger capacity and a 4,000nm (7,410km) range.
www.flightglobal.com

Hypersonic ‘Air Force One’? The USAF is looking into it

The US Air Force has awarded Hermeus Corporation a $1.5 million contract to assess modifying the company's in-development Mach 5 jet into an aircraft for the future Presidential and Executive Airlift fleet.


The Robots Are Coming
The AI program, named "Falcon", defeated a senior fighter pilot and F-16 Weapons Instructor Course graduate, call sign "Banger", in a series of nearly flawless performances that took advantage of the computer program's ability to fly more precisely and aggressively. The F-16 pilot competing against the AI decided not to provide his identity for "operational security reasons", says DARPA.

"He's an experienced operational fighter pilot with more than 2,000 flight hours in the F-16, including combat time," says the research agency. The Falcon AI program was developed by defence contractor Heron Systems.

Prior to facing off against a human opponent, over the course of 18 and 19 August, Heron Systems' Falcon dispatched AI programs from seven other teams, including Aurora Flight Sciences, EpiSys Science, Georgia Tech Research Institute, Lockheed Martin, Perspecta Labs, PhysicsAI and SoarTech. Simulated F-16s, controlled by various AI programs, flew against each other in a number of different aerial combat scenarios.
www.flightglobal.com

AI wins 5 to 0 in simulated dogfights against human F-16 fighter pilot

The AI program, named "Falcon", defeated a senior fighter pilot and F-16 Weapons Instructor Course graduate, call sign "Banger", in a series of nearly flawless performances that took advantage of the computer program's ability to fly more precisely and aggressively.

Yeah, there was a competition. Livestreamed on Youtube.
The video of the finals is still there.

Its a long way off yet. But you can see it on the horizon.


Hypersonic military aircraft engines
www.thedrive.com

Air Force's Mayhem Project Tied To Hypersonic Engines For Planes Such As The SR-72

The service wants these hypersonic demonstrators to have advanced air-breathing jet engines at their core.
 
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