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Right, because fascism's strict regimentation of society and economy just go hand in hand with the free market, do they?

In any case, we're straying from quest matters to just plain politics, so let's drop this conversation here and now. This isn't the thread for it.

Do you know anything about fascism?

The word Privatization was literally coined in English to apply to Nazi economic policies in the 1930s.
 
Do you know anything about fascism?

The word Privatization was literally coined in English to apply to Nazi economic policies in the 1930s.
Yes, the word originates from that time. The practice goes as far back as Ancient Greece. The Roman Republic literally outsourced even tax collection to private enterprises.

Kindly don't bring association fallacies into any argument you wish to have. And again, not on this thread.
 
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Right, because fascism's strict regimentation of society and economy just go hand in hand with the free market, do they?
Point of information: giant corporations routinely flourished in every fascist nation I can think of, as did small businesses.

Fascists are usually happy to delegate all aspects of society not directly related to killing people, and some of the ones that are, to private enterprise. They usually don't assert much if any more control over the economy than a liberal democracy, except when getting involved with war mobilization... and literally everyone asserts more government control of the economy during a war mobilization.

Yes, the word originates from that time. The practice goes as far back as Ancient Greece. The Roman Republic literally outsourced even tax collection to private enterprises.

Kindly don't bring association fallacies into any argument you wish to have. And again, not on this thread.
How is it an association fallacy to point out that the Nazis were privatizing public institutions?

Your argument hinges on the premise that the Nazis did not do that, because of their "strict regimentation of society and economy." If the Nazis did do that, then whatever else was true of them, they were not as hostile to the free market as you were painting them. It is irrelevant whether the Nazis invented the practice or merely imitated it; the point is that they practiced it, when you were implying that they surely would not.

...

This isn't about whether privatization is good, evil, or neutral. That doesn't matter. The point is that no government that is genuinely hostile to the free market will practice privatization. Therefore, if you see a government practicing privatization, it is safe to assume that they are not particularly hostile to the free market.

I'm sorry, but it really is true that you can have brutal, horrifying lack of social and political freedom in a society with a great deal of economic freedom. Or, at least, economic freedom for capital and for the people who are white/manly/right-ethnicity enough to be first class citizens under the fascist dystopia. Not a lot of economic freedom for untermenschen, but that never stopped a market from chugging along.

Markets and capital don't need democracy to function, and it doesn't need all the workers to have political rights, and it doesn't need to not have racist death squads roaming the streets killing people. As long as none of the political violence threatens the owners of capital, they can get along just fine.
 
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How is it an association fallacy to point out that the Nazis were privatizing public institutions?
The association fallacy lies in insinuating that capitalism is somehow intrinsically connected to fascism, as when
that the fascists want to end capitalism, give rights to minorities, and dismantle the American Empire.
this was said, implying that not getting rid of capitalism is on an equal level of moral reprehensibility as oppressing minorities.
 
More generally, the Nazi economy was structured along the same lines as any dictatorship. The industries deemed essential to warmaking were under government control, and just about everything else is left to the "free market". Free Market in quotes because in dictatorships there's usually a corrupt hell of licencing requirements.
 
The association fallacy lies in insinuating that capitalism is somehow intrinsically connected to fascism, as when

this was said, implying that not getting rid of capitalism is on an equal level of moral reprehensibility as oppressing minorities.

... you aren't familiar with how Racism in America got started, are you?

That it was a deliberate ploy on the part of the moneyed interests of society, the ones most keen to protect property, to pit the debt slaves against the chattel slaves? That this was implemented in reaction to a racially diverse slave rebellion, to keep such a rebellion from happening again?
 
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The association fallacy lies in insinuating that capitalism is somehow intrinsically connected to fascism, as when
Well, fascism is explicitly anti-socialist and pro-capitalist, so, uh, yeah? Fascism is not the only political system that works with capitalism, but it's one of them.

this was said, implying that not getting rid of capitalism is on an equal level of moral reprehensibility as oppressing minorities.
Er, no. That's not what she implied. She implied that the socialist agenda includes:
1) Ending capitalism
2) Giving rights to minorities.

You, by contrast, alleged that socialists project their own worldview onto the political right. She denied this, pointing out that socialists do NOT attribute to fascists the desire to end capitalism or give rights to minorities.

In and of itself, this was not an assertion of "capitalism is intrinsically connected to fascism." It was an assertion of "fascism is not hostile to capitalism."

While you tried briefly to argue that no, it totally is hostile to capitalism...

I think it's fair to say that yes, it totally isn't hostile to capitalism.
 
Arlington, VA -- The Office of Naval Research (ONR) and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) successfully conducted the first-ever ground test of a full-scale, fully integrated hypersonic cruise missile engine using conventional liquid hydrocarbon fuel on May 30, 2002. The test, performed in a wind tunnel at NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va., demonstrated robust operation of the engine at simulated hypersonic cruise conditions (Mach 6.5 at 90,000 feet altitude).
That was back in 2002.
When US military funding was gearing up for COIN in Iraq and Afghanistan, not Great Power warfare in Europe and the Pacific.
A reminder that the goody bag has a lot of stuff in it.


And on the decidedly lowtech end of things:

Interesting reddit thread on military sanitation requirements in the field for the Army, with at least one picture of the makeshift facilities in use.
A sampler:
Trenches aren't designed for longevity or volume. We're talking about hundreds of gallons worth of waste in week, indefinitely. Units ranging in size from platoon to battalions are going to be using the latrines on a regular basis, no trench can or should support that much crap.
There is a drum inside the latrine that collects the waste. When its near fill the drum is dragged away a bit and waste inside (not the drum) is burnt in a couple hours with just occasional stirring by whomever is on shit burning detail. Simple and easy.
TIL shit-burning detail is a thing in the US military.
:V
 
So I've been reading the early part of Victoria to try and figure out the rise of the Christian Marines and damn, you know we have fun here but this book is one of the most virulent fascist screeds I've ever read, and I've read the Turner Diaries.

Like, leaving aside the homophobia, transphobia, racism, sexism, anticommunism, and the gleeful tone it takes whenever representatives of those groups are brutally killed by white Christian men, there are some passages that are a thousand times scarier in the current climate.

Equally important, we had a great intel system: the cops. Most of the state police in Massachusetts and Maine and many local police were with us by this time; they realized our values were also their values.
 
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As you discuss, Rumford is supposed to be a man in his physical and mental prime in the 2030s and '40s. He has to have been born some time around 2000, or 1990 at the earliest. How the fuck is he this technophobic?
The crude, Watsonian answer, is that he "isn't just a rabid bigot, he's also the Gary Sue self-insert of..."
...William Lind, a man born in 1947, writing to describe events that will take place 90 to 100 years after his birth.
Worth noting that Mr Lind, the author, is allegedly an advocate of a non-interventionist foreign policy according to his Wikipedia page.

His SI and the dystopia he is a functionary of, spend the next fifteen years after the creation of their ethnostate not staying home and developing Juche fascism Retroculture. Instead, they go intervening in the internal politics of other states, from down South to the NorthWest to California all the way to the attempted bombing in Shanghai. The book ends with a proposal to go on Christian crusade in the Mediterranean.

Hypocrisy is a central pillar of their ideology.
His SI's manifest technophobia is just another form of control, and almost certainly does not apply to the right people, who will not be corrupted by it or tempted to oppose his status quo.

Just like the North Korean state denies computers and cellphones to the masses, and executes commoners for possessing South Korean soap operas.
Or how the Soviet state had special stores with access to Western goods for the elite.
 
One thing I think we can say for certain: the Christian Marines recruited primarily, if not exclusively, from either retired or active-duty members of the police and military. Police fed the CMC information, assisted them in operations, and went on strike during CMC-led political actions in order to give them more cover and freedom to act. Later, members of the Maine National Guard who sympathized with the CMC outright refused to mobilize against them. This comes shortly before their first victory over Federal forces. CMC are also encouraged to read approved literature as a form of indoctrination - they list the Western Classics or whatever but we can imagine far-right literature and theory being included.

They also, of course, eventually receive support from the Russian government in the form of Father Dmitri, who in addition to being an advisor we can assume provided material aid and operational security backing.

As far as tactics, they engage in kidnapping, blackmail, and assassination of elected officials, various forms of striking, and finally armed resistance to the US government. The CMC also engages in recruitment drives, gives supplies and training to other militias in the region that were inspired by the actions of the Christian Marines, and eventually founds the Maine First Party, a vanguard party that (somehow) sweeps the Maine government and provides a front for the CMC's efforts towards nullification of federal law and ultimately secession.

I think I would characterize the rise of the CMC as an incredibly successful infiltration of US law enforcement and armed forces by a white nationalist terror organization.

That said, there are some things missing. We don't know how or why they eventually got popular support, unless we believe there's a whole lot of fascists hanging out in rural Maine (this is the explanation the book gives but fascists always like to paint themselves as representative of the majority). They do win a few victories against "Federal tyranny" but this being Lind the conflicts in question are nonsensical and based in Lind not understanding what Liberals Actually Believe. Presumably we could invent some actual conflicts they could win.

It would also make a lot of sense if as part of the Retrocultural indoctrination that the CMC actually studied and cultivated self-sufficiency, and during the inflation crisis and the Great Plague they embarked on a campaign to help people recover and become self-sufficient themselves. That would be strategically smart and would be effective in winning support from the general public, helping them make the jump from "terror group" to "guerrilla movement".

Likewise, we have no explanation for how they managed to completely take over the state government aside from "Maine has just been waiting for an excuse to vote in fascists, honest" - voter intimidation or fraud seems more likely, given their violence against elected officials. They also burn down a town hall building at one point as part of their campaign to encourage (or "encourage"?) people to stop paying federal taxes, so maybe there were some elements of a coup as well.
 
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Non-Canon Omake: Hellfire Burns’ March To the Sea
Hellfire Burns' March To The Sea

The core conception was simple: 37 OWE seemed farcical, but had some upsides.

This, however, was an idea. Gathering the greatest soldiers America had left, combined with all the equipment they could muster, in one last, desperate push.

16 OWE. 16 OWS.



Day Zero

800 miles of North American soil. 1280 kilometers, if you're one of the Europeans biting their nails at the footage. Vaguely approving, if you're the Chinese agents piggybacking off the European's intel agencies.

It would take the old US Army maybe a week to move the entire Big Red One there.

It will take Hellfire Burns much longer, assuming he makes it at all.

He knows that the moment he goes hot, Russian fighter jets and military assets will be striking at his forces every step of the way.

But with three Victorian divisions leaving the Chicagoan rallying point a bloody wreck, and the agreed-upon time at hand, there is no more room for delay.


Day One

High above earth, a Russian scientific satellite emits a burst of binary, pinging off the land radar. Nominally, it is a civilian satellite, equipped with hyperfine cameras and radar arrays to take detailed images of the ocean floor. By another's official records, it is one of the Okhrana's best intelligence-gathering tools. Anything that can spot a solitary millimeter of difference on the ocean floor can be repurposed to many other purposes, after all.

But according to a third faction, it is a signal.

Because satellites have very specific orbital periods. This one has maintained a certain set of signal codes - terribly sloppy for military standards, but this was technically a civilian affair only supplementing the Okhrana's SIGINT.

To the Big Red One, it is the agreed-upon signal to begin the Foxtrot.


Day Five, 12:30 PM EST

The ambush for the Victorian's three divisions is set for ten miles west of Fort Wayne. The Big Red One has been shadowing the three divisions from just outside the Victorian's pithy scouting radius, waiting for cloud cover to hide from the Russian satellites - and when the opportunity comes, the scattered commanders all individually wheel about like the cavalry of yore.

For his part, Hellfire Burns idly notes the dilapidated sign of Warsaw, Ohio, as he rolls in with his armored complement. For a moment cannot help but feel a sense of schadenfreude at the thought of fighting a tank battle between American and Russian tanks in the city of Warsaw - he remembers that there used to be all sorts of strategic planning for this scenario, contemplating how far a war could be prosecuted if NATO successfully held the Fulda Gap.

But that was long in the distant past, and now here his job was to prosecute this war.

They'd start with the complete destruction of the Victorian element, within the seven hours the cloud cover and nightfall would provide.

The odds are three-to-one - more than that, actually, since the Big Red One was slightly understrength and the Victorian divisions stuffed full of fighting men.

Burns smirks.

They'll be done inside of three hours.



Day Five, 5:28 EST

"Corporal Tran, you sure this will work?" Schultz radioed. "Seems a little skimpy to be trusting zebra stripes to protect us from satellite footage," he said.

"Positive, Major, sir," the corporal radios back. "Worked for us in breaking up recognition during the Rainbow Uprising, and we don't think the Russians are that much further ahead than the Japanese. Besides, it's tradition. Hear there's a clown posse that was supposed to do this kind of thing."

"Juggalos, Corporal, the word you're looking for is Juggalos," Captain Holt cuts in.

"I copy, Captain Holt, I copy."

"Pipe down, soldiers, we're still on a clock here," Burns radioed, closing the hatch behind him.

"Sir yes sir," the tinny voice responds, and Burns is already starting to sweat.



Day Six

"Sir, we have a situation on the ground," a hapless agent reports. "It's, uh, about the Victorians."

The Tsar raises his eyebrow from atop his throne. "And what do I care for them?"

"Three of their divisions just got destroyed, armored contingent and all, sir."

"So? I seem to recall an incident in Pennsylvania, and that never amounted to anything at all," he archly says.

"W-well, sir, we're not entirely certain of - "

"I am a tolerant man, Agent Grishov. I understand that your work is uncertain. What I want is actionable intelligence," the Tsar commands.

"Y-yes sir. Sir, we think an American armored force destroyed them. The tracks in the mud suggested multiple heavy vehicles weighing over 50 tons, sir, and the damage to the T-34s seems to indicate HE tank shells."

"Hm. Do you have any satellite imagery of this armored force?"

"N-no sir. We think they're using the concealment tactics from the Rainbow Uprising, sir. It seems highly likely that any American force would have veteran observers from that conflict, and would explain how they're hiding so well, sir," Grishov explained.

"Hm. I had thought we had dealt with that vulnerability. Very well. Thank you for your report, Agent Grishov. You have done a great duty for this country. Dismissed," the Tsar spoke.

"Y-yes sir!" the overly excitable agent Grishov said. The Tsar dismissed the window with a wave.

"Contact the Caracas Air Force Base. Deploy our rapid-response squadrons into the Pease Air Force Base. We may have another American bug to squash," he orders, and a world away, the Su-34s and drone fleet that make up his airborne COIN fleet carries out his will.



Day Eleven

After a while, the sound of distant missiles and jets started sounding like a lullaby, regularly pounding the earth - but always just at a distance.

Private Singh hated to admit it, especially since Master Sargeant Reyes had made a point of it that if you ever changed your mind you had to say it out loud - but on the other hand, the monotony of the drone strikes hitting another decoy balloon was getting to him. The APC shook with the jolt of a nearby explosion, skewing the miniature American flag Singh had tucked behind his ear - he'd need to adjust it again, he frustratedly thought, and it never wanted to cooperate with him.

"Sir, I have a confession to make," Singh dejectedly said, as another earthshattering explosion from a Russian anti-armored formation missile missed its mark.

"Yes, private?" Reyes asked, knowing exactly what Singh was about to say.

"You were right, sir. You do get used to the drone strikes."

"Told you so," Reyes smirked, and Singh knows Reyes is smirking despite the helmet and the darkness inside the vehicle.

Of course, another missile hit - and the APC actually jolted up a little bit from the proximity.

"Say, when do you think they'll actually start hitting their shots?" Private Clemens asked.

"Is that a question you ask, Private?" Reyes asked, tone sharp and demanding.

"No, sir," Clemens diffidently responded, wiping away his oily hands after what must've been his eighteenth inspection of his rifle in this hour alone - and Singh was certain that Clemens had inspected his rifle eighteen times, because it wasn't like there was anything else to do while cooped up in the infantry vehicles.


Day Fourteen

The Arctic Conservationate Broadcasting Service has been reporting nonstop on the Russian actions to counteract what the Tsar describes as a credible nuclear threat to the Free City of New York - they've been trying to ensure that the terrorist forces that had gathered west of the Appalachians does not reach the city. It is a developing news story, but astute watchers note that the program is very short indeed - so short, in fact, that it can only get out the Tsar's message, footage of the drone strikes from the view of the drone cameras, and then cut away.

Of course, there are few astute watchers of the Arctic Conservationate Broadcasting Services.

Far more important to be outraged at the latest Qorsk protests, as well as the Russian security forces' response. Both sides have a point, but extremism is never the answer, you see.


Day Twenty One, 8:37 PM EST

Burns purses his lips, even as he breathes the sweet, sweet mountain air after being locked in a metal coffin for eight days straight. Behind him is four hundred miles of flat land. In front of him is four hundred miles of mountainous terrain, and a battered but still intact armored division that needed to cross it. The Russian attacks have been relentless - Su-34s by day, drone strikes by night. They were almost out of chaff and decoy balloons, at this point - and while he's not sure how fast news travels he suspects that he's going to start seeing the Victorian's anti-flash white F-16Vs take over the daytime bombardment duties - just as the mountain terrain guarantees that there's going to be almost no place to hide.

He looks into the mountains, at the rough point where there was - ah, there the laser was. Couldn't let the Russians see it from space, so the Captain Merkatz had to resort to shining a laser into a cup of water inside the armored vehicle in Morse Code - and just as hoped, the stockpiles are still there. Seemed like the Russians hadn't managed to get to it. Hellfire Burns waits for the second signal, the question on whether he can shoot straight across the mountains or whether he'll have to take a detour.

Captain Merkatz flashes back: Y

Burns smiled a vicious smile, and he's certain that his fellow soldiers are smiling that smile too. The bridges were dynamited, naturally, but he had Captain Merkatz and his team scout way ahead and pre-engineer replacements for exactly this scenario. They'd need to refuel anyway, so taking that advantage to field-repair the infrastructure was absolutely vital - and it would let them make the shot across the mountains.

Motorized vehicles maximum rate of travel, after all, was mostly limited by their fuel - and there would be absolutely no time to stop once he started.

Burns breathed in the sweltering air of the evening, the stench of caked sweat rising from the armored car, and gave a nod.

His forces were rested, fueled, and on a strictly ticking clock to whenever the Tsar decided to wield the full force of the Russian military against them.

The engines roar to life, ash-black coal soot striped across the fuselage, headlights blazing into the darkening night. Time was now of the essence, and Hellfire Burns was done hiding.


Day Twenty-Two, 1:37 AM Moscow Time

The Tsar has been waiting for this moment for what must be weeks now. The inevitable point when the Americans would have to reveal their true capacity, and he could finally commit the majority of his airborne assets to crushing them in their entirety.

Wiping his brow from his nightly calisthenics, he nods, and the order is given.

He shortly leaves for his shower, before turning into bed at 2AM.


Day Twenty-Two, 3:24 Moscow Time

"This is Moscow Command, we are reading 56 fighters over California. San Diego AFB, please advise."

"Got nothing on our scopes, Moscow Command. You sure your equipment is alright?"

"Understood. Caracas Air Command, we are reading 84 fighters on a one-three-five vector in to Venezuela, please advise."

"Negatory, Moscow Command. I don't know what to say. Could it be a solar flare or something?"

"Understood. CONUS Command, we may have an equipment failure. Are you seeing anything?"

"They're everywhere!"

"CONUS Command, say again!"

"I'm lookin' at fighter jets crawling all over the Eastern Seaboard! Where the hell did they come from?!"

"Come in, CONUS Command! What model, and what affiliation?!"

"Stolen F-35Ns, affiliation code - USAF?! How the hell - oh shit, they've noticed - "

Static echoed in Moscow Command.

The silence breaks to a great flood of noise.

"Mobilize all available air assets from the San Diego AFB - " "Get the Admiral of the Atlantic Fleet on the line- " "Someone wake up the Tsar! - " "Jesus Christ they're alive?! - " "Wake up the Directors - "


Day Twenty-Two, 12:54 AM EST

Burns smiles a knife-smile, as he watches the sky burst open with the flames of another Su-34. He had set the pieces in motion months ago but with distances and radio silence as it was, he couldn't be sure if the gamble would pay off.

The explosions in the sky lighting up the Big Red One's relentless drive east answered his prayers.


Day Twenty-Two, 5:34 AM EST

Mayor Mesbah of FCNY is wide awake when the call from an irate Tsar comes in. It is a politely worded demand to know whether the F-35Ns spotted landing in the O'Hare International Airport after shooting down Russian Su-34s constituted a declaration of war.

Mayor Mesbah smoothly lies, just as she's always done.

The Tsar promises this isn't over.

The Mayor simply asks him to contact her when it is.


Day Twenty-Two, 2:37 Moscow Time

The Tsar is furious, and hangs up without another word spoken. He has no more time for the FCNY's shenanigans, and needs to bring the full force of the Russian military down upon the American battlegroup that now looked far, far, far too close to the Free City of New York. His next call is to the Caribbean Fleet - they need to scramble their entire force up the continent. The experimental Radiant-class battleship, too - the Americans needed to be destroyed utterly before they could reach the Free City, damn the cost.


Day Twenty-Two, 7:42 EST.

The skies are clear, as Burns brings his forces to the prearranged fueling spot.

"Tch. The Russians will love this, Captain," Master Sargeant Alex complains. "They'll have a picture-clear image of exactly where all of our forces are during this leg of the run, and there's no way to hide them in these valleys. We'll be sitting ducks for their air-to-ground munitions."

Captain Holt can't disagree.


Day Twenty-Two, 7:53 EST.

"Tch," Saber-3 grouses to his RIO. "The Americans will love this, Bruschev. The skies are clear, and we have to fly right into their killbox since we've run out of the mountain-use bunker busters. We'll be sitting ducks, especially for their goddamned ghosts," he said.

Lieutenant Bruschev can't disagree.


Day Twenty-Two, 9:40 EST.

The refueling is complete, and the Russian COIN forces have been sufficiently cowed by the tone of SAM launchers acquiring lockon pings from pop-up radar stands. The rearguard radios that they've finished refueling, and the command goes out:

Full speed out of the mountains.

Don't stop until we've reached New York.


Day Twenty-Three

Burns curses under his breath. Damn, but those Russians were crafty. Instead of flying against his forces within the SAM bubble, they had chosen to airstrike the roads and bridges his engineering teams had just put up - while his forces could still move, it was a major slow-down waiting for Captain Merkatz and his teams to put the bridges back up, and Burns knew better than most that if he waited too long an overwhelming Russian force would be waiting for him on the other side of the Appalachians.

But there was nothing to do about it. He could only watch his forces slowly move across the hastily erected bridge, slowly, one by one.


Day Twenty-Seven, 5:42 EST.

Burns is finally out of the mountains. Only the last fifty miles remains between him and the Manhattan Line. Between him is the Victorian Army drawn up to full muster, the remaining nine divisions, the field CMC divisions, and groups of Russian soldiers dispatched as "support". An encrypted transmission warns him that he needs to cross the line today - the Russian Caribbean Fleet has been spotted moving up the coast, and it may already be in range.

Burns quietly nods.

It's really just as he expected.

Under the cover of morning blackness, his forces reorient themselves for the final sprint.

When the grey predawn begins to rise, he gives a quiet order on the radio.

The roar of his mechanized division answers him.


Day Twenty-Seven, 6:12 EST.

Off the Eastern Seaboard, the Russian Caribbean Fleet has their targeting data updated by Russian satellites. The fire order from the Tsar comes, and the captain of the Radiant-class battleship salutes in understanding.

The order to fire is given, and a blinding blue beam erupts forth from the battleship.



Day Twenty-Seven, 6:17 EST.

Burns scowls, green screen washing out in another flare of brightness. The coal dust was supposed to protect against exactly this sort of long-range laser attack, and to its credit the soot appeared to actually hold them off for a few seconds.

But tanks cannot maneuver faster than the traversal speed of a laser turret. His SAM batteries cannot maneuver faster than the traversal speed of a laser turret. Fortunately, his countermeasures against satellite observation are mostly working - the Russians are only hitting about every one in four laser shots.

His list of commanders is getting thin, though, and the Russians are getting more accurate.

Another flash, and Burns checks the armored vehicles left.

Damn. There went Corporal Tran's fireteam.


Day Twenty-Seven, 7:12 EST.

The Victorians are hungry for this fight. They've heard about the stunning loss of three divisions out west, and from the Russians they hear that this appears to be a real force ripped straight from the Old America. This is their chance to prove once and for all their supremacy over the Cultural Marxists that had rotted the United States of old.

The Big Red One is hungry for this fight. For too long, the Victorians have terrorized America, and they have lived in constant fear of the Russian armed forces for almost their entire adult lives. This is an opportunity to strike back, even as the bright blue beams taper away to nothing on their final approach.

The Russians are hungry for this fight. Finally, they'll be able to wipe out what appears to be the last remnants of the great American war machine not under their control, and finally rest easy knowing that America was dealt with forever.

Even the Free City of New York, trembling in fear of the twelve divisions the Victorians have drawn up outside their city, are hungry for this fight. It represents one last great American hope - while many dare not voice it aloud, beyond everything they are desperately hopeful that the Big Red One takes on the Victorians and Russians - and wins.

It is a battlefield of hopes and expectations.

It is the new America's truly decisive battle.



Day Twenty-Seven, 8:24 EST

The Battle of the Manhattan Line is every bit as great and terrible as promised. The roar of Abrams and the thumps of the Strykers and the chatter of the M4s contrasted against the shattering explosions of the Russian rocket artillery and the two-round stutter of the Russian AK-28s. Blue light from the Russian Radiant shines in against particularly trenchant eastward flanks, the Victorians left to charge the titans clashing like suicidal moths towards the flames with nothing but their rifles, their mortars, and their elan.

The air buzzes with smoke and chaff and decoys and drones, all the last tricks of the past fifty years unleashed upon a single battlefield. Infantry-portable drones scout the battlefield, marking targets for Strykers and Abrams to hit - not that there's much difficulty, considering how the Big Red One is surrounded by a tide of enemies in all directions. Russian COIN drones sortie against the last SAM batteries that the America's Last Army can muster, Su-34s staying well out of range until the battlefield clears up. The Victorian T-34s are an afterthought, annihilated with every round the American Abrams can fire that isn't used to fight against the tanks the Tsar has airlifted in. Russian rocket artillery is met with the last rockets that the Big Red One was able to bring with it, the streaks of missiles whizzing through the air.

Private Singh, momentarily dazed, draws the connection to the anthem. In the haze of the fog and the smoke, bright red streaks followed rockets through the air, as airburst flak cannons tried to shoot down low-hanging drones. Long instinct makes his body snap his rifle over to the latest Victorian charge, and burst fire at the charging Victorians, shooting three shots when every shot seemed to kill another Victorian. With one ear open even as the other is shut from hearing damage, he turns away from the danger-close rocket artillery, and bursts into a run back to the Stryker at Sargeant Foley's orders, now.



Day Twenty-Seven: 8:52 EST

The Manhattan Line is right there. The Big Red One has almost reached it, having crushed the Victorians underfoot and slowly overcoming the Russians through sheer overwhelming numbers and force. The final commitment of an all-divisional CMC charge, only to shatter against the combined might of the Big Red One breaks the Victorian fighting will entirely, and the radio frequencies fill with the panic of a routed enemy that has never learned the meaning of defeat and has only learned that victory means atrocities against the enemy.

Without Victorian bodies in the way, the fielded Russian forces begin to beat their own retreat, and Burns decides to take this opportunity to regroup his forces for one final push.

It is the last mistake he will ever make.



Day Twenty-Seven: 8:53 EST

The Radiant's blue light finally struck Hellfire Burns tank. Evidently, with the Victorians routing and the Russians in a hasty retreat, the Radiant battleship considered weapons-free to be an acceptable policy.

The squadron of F-35Ns taking off from the FCNY's runways intended to put paid to that.

The Radiant defiantly lifts its laser against the sky, and the F-35Ns begins scattering everywhere.

One pilot aims straight for the deck.

All of the pilots accelerate.

CIWS and SAM fire begins to lock on to the Lightning IIs, already launched too close to the navy in order to properly evade. Flares go out - and then a beam of blinding brightness catches one F-35N by surprise, before melting it away.

Suddenly, a warning is called out - that one F-35N skimming the surface of the water would be in range too close to intercept soon - their next target had to be that one fighter.

The problem is, this fighter is skimming the water. One false nudge, and the intake would stop being sea spray and start being sea. The Radiant cannot depress its own aperture that far, and none of the CIWS and SAM systems can traverse fast enough.

The anti-ship payload is delivered near the minimum necessary range to even activate.

The Radiant battleship's laser aperture evaporates in a ball of fire and fury.



Day Twenty-Seven: 9:32 EST

The Russians finally fully disengage from the field, turning their armored vehicles around and fleeing.

Just as well, Commander Schultz thought.

It wasn't like the Big Red One could take any more punishment, at this rate - crossing the Manhattan Line would be almost the limit of his own forces.

But that was all he had to do.



Day Twenty-Seven: 10:07 EST

Photojournalist Charity al-Sheik knows she has the picture of the century.

It is the lone hand of a brown-skinned soldier, sticking out of an armored vehicle. An American flag is clutched with the ring finger, the pinky finger, and the thumb. The index and middle fingers hold up a V.

V for victory.

She will later find out that Private Singh's victory pose was completely against orders - but that doesn't matter so much as the image, played across every news media site for the next month straight.

American has returned.

Victorious.
 
@PoptartProdigy Sorry if this annoys you, but what would the international response to huhYeahGoodPoint's omake be? Because all I can see is a complete and utter Charlie-Foxtrot, quite possibly with California as well as New York rebelling and forming an American Successor State. Possibly together depending on how the negotiations go, with whatever results helped along by the fact that Victoria does not have any military left except what scraps are at home and their militia. Oh, and then there's the big 'Line in the Sand' moment where there is Russian military units fighting to kill off a surviving American military unit. That has got to have some effect, because it basically means that Russia can't hide behind false fronts and patsies in regards to the North America situation anymore. On the other hand, it does mean they don't need to worry about concealing things anymore...
 
Thaaaaaaaaat's uh, not at all what happened

But... I don't blame you, basically anything you don't hear directly from the people on the ground is a deliberate fascist lie. From what I've heard through my own contacts as a leftist in the PNW, and through reporting by reporters on the ground... that's not at all what happened.

The Seattle PD basically abandoned a Precinct due to an unforced error after cracking down on peaceful protestors and expected them to burn down the Precinct. Except... they didn't, and the government doesn't know how to react to people who aren't violently in revolt and also aren't obeying commands to fuck off. And they're (to my disappointment as a leftist) not that militant anymore. It's basically a block party where fascists occasionally stop by to kill or kidnap people.

If you really want an example of what you're talking about, look to Minneapolis, where people drove the MPD from the 3rd Precint via force of arms, breaking the Police's Image of Invulnerability across the country, and have managed to get their city council to vote to disband their PD while setting up an impressive array of mutual aid projects and pushing for more. You'll note that the media talks about one and ignores the other.
100% this. The CHAZ was never even trying to be a commune, but because someone put up a sign loads of people on the left and right projected ideas onto it like crazy, and the media attention drew tons of people in until it mostly resembled a big block party. The city's talked them into reducing the protest zone and set up new barricades, and then a couple shootings led the city to call for them to scale it back even more and now it's been increasingly abandoned. It's sort of awkward because nobody really knew what they were doing, either the police, the protesters, or the city itself, and it's mostly been people fumbling around without any sort of plan.

But yeah, what's happening in Minneapolis is much more radical, and in Philadelphia a leftist organization has occupied abandoned public housing and renovated it and allowed homeless people to move in.
Do you know anything about fascism?

The word Privatization was literally coined in English to apply to Nazi economic policies in the 1930s.
Point of information: giant corporations routinely flourished in every fascist nation I can think of, as did small businesses.

Fascists are usually happy to delegate all aspects of society not directly related to killing people, and some of the ones that are, to private enterprise. They usually don't assert much if any more control over the economy than a liberal democracy, except when getting involved with war mobilization... and literally everyone asserts more government control of the economy during a war mobilization.

How is it an association fallacy to point out that the Nazis were privatizing public institutions?

Your argument hinges on the premise that the Nazis did not do that, because of their "strict regimentation of society and economy." If the Nazis did do that, then whatever else was true of them, they were not as hostile to the free market as you were painting them. It is irrelevant whether the Nazis invented the practice or merely imitated it; the point is that they practiced it, when you were implying that they surely would not.

...

This isn't about whether privatization is good, evil, or neutral. That doesn't matter. The point is that no government that is genuinely hostile to the free market will practice privatization. Therefore, if you see a government practicing privatization, it is safe to assume that they are not particularly hostile to the free market.

I'm sorry, but it really is true that you can have brutal, horrifying lack of social and political freedom in a society with a great deal of economic freedom. Or, at least, economic freedom for capital and for the people who are white/manly/right-ethnicity enough to be first class citizens under the fascist dystopia. Not a lot of economic freedom for untermenschen, but that never stopped a market from chugging along.

Markets and capital don't need democracy to function, and it doesn't need all the workers to have political rights, and it doesn't need to not have racist death squads roaming the streets killing people. As long as none of the political violence threatens the owners of capital, they can get along just fine.
The association fallacy lies in insinuating that capitalism is somehow intrinsically connected to fascism, as when

this was said, implying that not getting rid of capitalism is on an equal level of moral reprehensibility as oppressing minorities.
More generally, the Nazi economy was structured along the same lines as any dictatorship. The industries deemed essential to warmaking were under government control, and just about everything else is left to the "free market". Free Market in quotes because in dictatorships there's usually a corrupt hell of licencing requirements.
... you aren't familiar with how Racism in America got started, are you?

That it was a deliberate ploy on the part of the moneyed interests of society, the ones most keen to protect property, to pit the debt slaves against the chattel slaves? That this was implemented in reaction to a racially diverse slave rebellion, to keep such a rebellion from happening again?
Well, fascism is explicitly anti-socialist and pro-capitalist, so, uh, yeah? Fascism is not the only political system that works with capitalism, but it's one of them.

Er, no. That's not what she implied. She implied that the socialist agenda includes:
1) Ending capitalism
2) Giving rights to minorities.

You, by contrast, alleged that socialists project their own worldview onto the political right. She denied this, pointing out that socialists do NOT attribute to fascists the desire to end capitalism or give rights to minorities.

In and of itself, this was not an assertion of "capitalism is intrinsically connected to fascism." It was an assertion of "fascism is not hostile to capitalism."

While you tried briefly to argue that no, it totally is hostile to capitalism...

I think it's fair to say that yes, it totally isn't hostile to capitalism.
Make your own god-damned threads. This one is not and has never been an excuse to start political debates not to do with the actual quest.
Literally everything about this works...except for one thing. Rumford isn't just a rabid bigot, he's also the Gary Sue self-insert of Lind, and the protagonist of Victoria.

Lind, as we all know, is rabidly technophobic, and the nation of Victoria reflects this. This point was already addressed earlier in the thread, that a man born at the earliest in the 1980s or 1990s wouldn't have the same technophobic mindset Lind has, even when exposed to it.

If he's a Zoomer, that's even worse. We Zoomers are, by and large, attached to technology, and especially the Internet. If Rumford was initially exposed to the alt-right through the Internet, that also means that he's probably using the Internet regularly.

Imagine, say, the average alt-right YouTuber deciding to fight a war, build a society that rejects not only the Internet, but all technology post-1930s altogether, except for what he deems essential (the military and medical sectors only, apparently).

And we know that Rumford didn't hear of Retroculture before he got kicked out of the Marines. So he spent all that time on the Internet, in this backstory, getting indoctrinated into the more conventional parts of the alt-right.

I don't buy for a second that even a man like Rumford would be willing to throw away all the toys and conveniences he grew up with, to this extreme, the way he does in the book.

I get that this quest needs all the unicorns it can get if it's to be based on Victoria, but having him initially be indoctrinated via the Internet breaks my suspension of disbelief.
Lind is an active blogger. Hypocrisy isn't much of a belief breaker here.
And he retcons the brutal suppression of technology as an ideology designed to bring back the sober past.
No, no, see, he was very specific about that: not an ideology. No, retroculture is not an ideology because retroculture is simply society's natural form, which all ideologies to date have suppressed, which is why you have literally never seen it done.
Hellfire Burns' March To The Sea

The core conception was simple: 37 OWE seemed farcical, but had some upsides.

This, however, was an idea. Gathering the greatest soldiers America had left, combined with all the equipment they could muster, in one last, desperate push.

16 OWE. 16 OWS.



Day Zero

800 miles of North American soil. 1280 kilometers, if you're one of the Europeans biting their nails at the footage. Vaguely approving, if you're the Chinese agents piggybacking off the European's intel agencies.

It would take the old US Army maybe a week to move the entire Big Red One there.

It will take Hellfire Burns much longer, assuming he makes it at all.

He knows that the moment he goes hot, Russian fighter jets and military assets will be striking at his forces every step of the way.

But with three Victorian divisions leaving the Chicagoan rallying point a bloody wreck, and the agreed-upon time at hand, there is no more room for delay.


Day One

High above earth, a Russian scientific satellite emits a burst of binary, pinging off the land radar. Nominally, it is a civilian satellite, equipped with hyperfine cameras and radar arrays to take detailed images of the ocean floor. By another's official records, it is one of the Okhrana's best intelligence-gathering tools. Anything that can spot a solitary millimeter of difference on the ocean floor can be repurposed to many other purposes, after all.

But according to a third faction, it is a signal.

Because satellites have very specific orbital periods. This one has maintained a certain set of signal codes - terribly sloppy for military standards, but this was technically a civilian affair only supplementing the Okhrana's SIGINT.

To the Big Red One, it is the agreed-upon signal to begin the Foxtrot.


Day Five, 12:30 PM EST

The ambush for the Victorian's three divisions is set for ten miles west of Fort Wayne. The Big Red One has been shadowing the three divisions from just outside the Victorian's pithy scouting radius, waiting for cloud cover to hide from the Russian satellites - and when the opportunity comes, the scattered commanders all individually wheel about like the cavalry of yore.

For his part, Hellfire Burns idly notes the dilapidated sign of Warsaw, Ohio, as he rolls in with his armored complement. For a moment cannot help but feel a sense of schadenfreude at the thought of fighting a tank battle between American and Russian tanks in the city of Warsaw - he remembers that there used to be all sorts of strategic planning for this scenario, contemplating how far a war could be prosecuted if NATO successfully held the Fulda Gap.

But that was long in the distant past, and now here his job was to prosecute this war.

They'd start with the complete destruction of the Victorian element, within the seven hours the cloud cover and nightfall would provide.

The odds are three-to-one - more than that, actually, since the Big Red One was slightly understrength and the Victorian divisions stuffed full of fighting men.

Burns smirks.

They'll be done inside of three hours.



Day Five, 5:28 EST

"Corporal Tran, you sure this will work?" Schultz radioed. "Seems a little skimpy to be trusting zebra stripes to protect us from satellite footage," he said.

"Positive, Major, sir," the corporal radios back. "Worked for us in breaking up recognition during the Rainbow Uprising, and we don't think the Russians are that much further ahead than the Japanese. Besides, it's tradition. Hear there's a clown posse that was supposed to do this kind of thing."

"Juggalos, Corporal, the word you're looking for is Juggalos," Captain Holt cuts in.

"I copy, Captain Holt, I copy."

"Pipe down, soldiers, we're still on a clock here," Burns radioed, closing the hatch behind him.

"Sir yes sir," the tinny voice responds, and Burns is already starting to sweat.



Day Six

"Sir, we have a situation on the ground," a hapless agent reports. "It's, uh, about the Victorians."

The Tsar raises his eyebrow from atop his throne. "And what do I care for them?"

"Three of their divisions just got destroyed, armored contingent and all, sir."

"So? I seem to recall an incident in Pennsylvania, and that never amounted to anything at all," he archly says.

"W-well, sir, we're not entirely certain of - "

"I am a tolerant man, Agent Grishov. I understand that your work is uncertain. What I want is actionable intelligence," the Tsar commands.

"Y-yes sir. Sir, we think an American armored force destroyed them. The tracks in the mud suggested multiple heavy vehicles weighing over 50 tons, sir, and the damage to the T-34s seems to indicate HE tank shells."

"Hm. Do you have any satellite imagery of this armored force?"

"N-no sir. We think they're using the concealment tactics from the Rainbow Uprising, sir. It seems highly likely that any American force would have veteran observers from that conflict, and would explain how they're hiding so well, sir," Grishov explained.

"Hm. I had thought we had dealt with that vulnerability. Very well. Thank you for your report, Agent Grishov. You have done a great duty for this country. Dismissed," the Tsar spoke.

"Y-yes sir!" the overly excitable agent Grishov said. The Tsar dismissed the window with a wave.

"Contact the Caracas Air Force Base. Deploy our rapid-response squadrons into the Pease Air Force Base. We may have another American bug to squash," he orders, and a world away, the Su-34s and drone fleet that make up his airborne COIN fleet carries out his will.



Day Eleven

After a while, the sound of distant missiles and jets started sounding like a lullaby, regularly pounding the earth - but always just at a distance.

Private Singh hated to admit it, especially since Master Sargeant Reyes had made a point of it that if you ever changed your mind you had to say it out loud - but on the other hand, the monotony of the drone strikes hitting another decoy balloon was getting to him. The APC shook with the jolt of a nearby explosion, skewing the miniature American flag Singh had tucked behind his ear - he'd need to adjust it again, he frustratedly thought, and it never wanted to cooperate with him.

"Sir, I have a confession to make," Singh dejectedly said, as another earthshattering explosion from a Russian anti-armored formation missile missed its mark.

"Yes, private?" Reyes asked, knowing exactly what Singh was about to say.

"You were right, sir. You do get used to the drone strikes."

"Told you so," Reyes smirked, and Singh knows Reyes is smirking despite the helmet and the darkness inside the vehicle.

Of course, another missile hit - and the APC actually jolted up a little bit from the proximity.

"Say, when do you think they'll actually start hitting their shots?" Private Clemens asked.

"Is that a question you ask, Private?" Reyes asked, tone sharp and demanding.

"No, sir," Clemens diffidently responded, wiping away his oily hands after what must've been his eighteenth inspection of his rifle in this hour alone - and Singh was certain that Clemens had inspected his rifle eighteen times, because it wasn't like there was anything else to do while cooped up in the infantry vehicles.


Day Fourteen

The Arctic Conservationate Broadcasting Service has been reporting nonstop on the Russian actions to counteract what the Tsar describes as a credible nuclear threat to the Free City of New York - they've been trying to ensure that the terrorist forces that had gathered west of the Appalachians does not reach the city. It is a developing news story, but astute watchers note that the program is very short indeed - so short, in fact, that it can only get out the Tsar's message, footage of the drone strikes from the view of the drone cameras, and then cut away.

Of course, there are few astute watchers of the Arctic Conservationate Broadcasting Services.

Far more important to be outraged at the latest Qorsk protests, as well as the Russian security forces' response. Both sides have a point, but extremism is never the answer, you see.


Day Twenty One, 8:37 PM EST

Burns purses his lips, even as he breathes the sweet, sweet mountain air after being locked in a metal coffin for eight days straight. Behind him is four hundred miles of flat land. In front of him is four hundred miles of mountainous terrain, and a battered but still intact armored division that needed to cross it. The Russian attacks have been relentless - Su-34s by day, drone strikes by night. They were almost out of chaff and decoy balloons, at this point - and while he's not sure how fast news travels he suspects that he's going to start seeing the Victorian's anti-flash white F-16Vs take over the daytime bombardment duties - just as the mountain terrain guarantees that there's going to be almost no place to hide.

He looks into the mountains, at the rough point where there was - ah, there the laser was. Couldn't let the Russians see it from space, so the Captain Merkatz had to resort to shining a laser into a cup of water inside the armored vehicle in Morse Code - and just as hoped, the stockpiles are still there. Seemed like the Russians hadn't managed to get to it. Hellfire Burns waits for the second signal, the question on whether he can shoot straight across the mountains or whether he'll have to take a detour.

Captain Merkatz flashes back: Y

Burns smiled a vicious smile, and he's certain that his fellow soldiers are smiling that smile too. The bridges were dynamited, naturally, but he had Captain Merkatz and his team scout way ahead and pre-engineer replacements for exactly this scenario. They'd need to refuel anyway, so taking that advantage to field-repair the infrastructure was absolutely vital - and it would let them make the shot across the mountains.

Motorized vehicles maximum rate of travel, after all, was mostly limited by their fuel - and there would be absolutely no time to stop once he started.

Burns breathed in the sweltering air of the evening, the stench of caked sweat rising from the armored car, and gave a nod.

His forces were rested, fueled, and on a strictly ticking clock to whenever the Tsar decided to wield the full force of the Russian military against them.

The engines roar to life, ash-black coal soot striped across the fuselage, headlights blazing into the darkening night. Time was now of the essence, and Hellfire Burns was done hiding.


Day Twenty-Two, 1:37 AM Moscow Time

The Tsar has been waiting for this moment for what must be weeks now. The inevitable point when the Americans would have to reveal their true capacity, and he could finally commit the majority of his airborne assets to crushing them in their entirety.

Wiping his brow from his nightly calisthenics, he nods, and the order is given.

He shortly leaves for his shower, before turning into bed at 2AM.


Day Twenty-Two, 3:24 Moscow Time

"This is Moscow Command, we are reading 56 fighters over California. San Diego AFB, please advise."

"Got nothing on our scopes, Moscow Command. You sure your equipment is alright?"

"Understood. Caracas Air Command, we are reading 84 fighters on a one-three-five vector in to Venezuela, please advise."

"Negatory, Moscow Command. I don't know what to say. Could it be a solar flare or something?"

"Understood. CONUS Command, we may have an equipment failure. Are you seeing anything?"

"They're everywhere!"

"CONUS Command, say again!"

"I'm lookin' at fighter jets crawling all over the Eastern Seaboard! Where the hell did they come from?!"

"Come in, CONUS Command! What model, and what affiliation?!"

"Stolen F-35Ns, affiliation code - USAF?! How the hell - oh shit, they've noticed - "

Static echoed in Moscow Command.

The silence breaks to a great flood of noise.

"Mobilize all available air assets from the San Diego AFB - " "Get the Admiral of the Atlantic Fleet on the line- " "Someone wake up the Tsar! - " "Jesus Christ they're alive?! - " "Wake up the Directors - "


Day Twenty-Two, 12:54 AM EST

Burns smiles a knife-smile, as he watches the sky burst open with the flames of another Su-34. He had set the pieces in motion months ago but with distances and radio silence as it was, he couldn't be sure if the gamble would pay off.

The explosions in the sky lighting up the Big Red One's relentless drive east answered his prayers.


Day Twenty-Two, 5:34 AM EST

Mayor Mesbah of FCNY is wide awake when the call from an irate Tsar comes in. It is a politely worded demand to know whether the F-35Ns spotted landing in the O'Hare International Airport after shooting down Russian Su-34s constituted a declaration of war.

Mayor Mesbah smoothly lies, just as she's always done.

The Tsar promises this isn't over.

The Mayor simply asks him to contact her when it is.


Day Twenty-Two, 2:37 Moscow Time

The Tsar is furious, and hangs up without another word spoken. He has no more time for the FCNY's shenanigans, and needs to bring the full force of the Russian military down upon the American battlegroup that now looked far, far, far too close to the Free City of New York. His next call is to the Caribbean Fleet - they need to scramble their entire force up the continent. The experimental Radiant-class battleship, too - the Americans needed to be destroyed utterly before they could reach the Free City, damn the cost.


Day Twenty-Two, 7:42 EST.

The skies are clear, as Burns brings his forces to the prearranged fueling spot.

"Tch. The Russians will love this, Captain," Master Sargeant Alex complains. "They'll have a picture-clear image of exactly where all of our forces are during this leg of the run, and there's no way to hide them in these valleys. We'll be sitting ducks for their air-to-ground munitions."

Captain Holt can't disagree.


Day Twenty-Two, 7:53 EST.

"Tch," Saber-3 grouses to his RIO. "The Americans will love this, Bruschev. The skies are clear, and we have to fly right into their killbox since we've run out of the mountain-use bunker busters. We'll be sitting ducks, especially for their goddamned ghosts," he said.

Lieutenant Bruschev can't disagree.


Day Twenty-Two, 9:40 EST.

The refueling is complete, and the Russian COIN forces have been sufficiently cowed by the tone of SAM launchers acquiring lockon pings from pop-up radar stands. The rearguard radios that they've finished refueling, and the command goes out:

Full speed out of the mountains.

Don't stop until we've reached New York.


Day Twenty-Three

Burns curses under his breath. Damn, but those Russians were crafty. Instead of flying against his forces within the SAM bubble, they had chosen to airstrike the roads and bridges his engineering teams had just put up - while his forces could still move, it was a major slow-down waiting for Captain Merkatz and his teams to put the bridges back up, and Burns knew better than most that if he waited too long an overwhelming Russian force would be waiting for him on the other side of the Appalachians.

But there was nothing to do about it. He could only watch his forces slowly move across the hastily erected bridge, slowly, one by one.


Day Twenty-Seven, 5:42 EST.

Burns is finally out of the mountains. Only the last fifty miles remains between him and the Manhattan Line. Between him is the Victorian Army drawn up to full muster, the remaining nine divisions, the field CMC divisions, and groups of Russian soldiers dispatched as "support". An encrypted transmission warns him that he needs to cross the line today - the Russian Caribbean Fleet has been spotted moving up the coast, and it may already be in range.

Burns quietly nods.

It's really just as he expected.

Under the cover of morning blackness, his forces reorient themselves for the final sprint.

When the grey predawn begins to rise, he gives a quiet order on the radio.

The roar of his mechanized division answers him.


Day Twenty-Seven, 6:12 EST.

Off the Eastern Seaboard, the Russian Caribbean Fleet has their targeting data updated by Russian satellites. The fire order from the Tsar comes, and the captain of the Radiant-class battleship salutes in understanding.

The order to fire is given, and a blinding blue beam erupts forth from the battleship.



Day Twenty-Seven, 6:17 EST.

Burns scowls, green screen washing out in another flare of brightness. The coal dust was supposed to protect against exactly this sort of long-range laser attack, and to its credit the soot appeared to actually hold them off for a few seconds.

But tanks cannot maneuver faster than the traversal speed of a laser turret. His SAM batteries cannot maneuver faster than the traversal speed of a laser turret. Fortunately, his countermeasures against satellite observation are mostly working - the Russians are only hitting about every one in four laser shots.

His list of commanders is getting thin, though, and the Russians are getting more accurate.

Another flash, and Burns checks the armored vehicles left.

Damn. There went Corporal Tran's fireteam.


Day Twenty-Seven, 7:12 EST.

The Victorians are hungry for this fight. They've heard about the stunning loss of three divisions out west, and from the Russians they hear that this appears to be a real force ripped straight from the Old America. This is their chance to prove once and for all their supremacy over the Cultural Marxists that had rotted the United States of old.

The Big Red One is hungry for this fight. For too long, the Victorians have terrorized America, and they have lived in constant fear of the Russian armed forces for almost their entire adult lives. This is an opportunity to strike back, even as the bright blue beams taper away to nothing on their final approach.

The Russians are hungry for this fight. Finally, they'll be able to wipe out what appears to be the last remnants of the great American war machine not under their control, and finally rest easy knowing that America was dealt with forever.

Even the Free City of New York, trembling in fear of the twelve divisions the Victorians have drawn up outside their city, are hungry for this fight. It represents one last great American hope - while many dare not voice it aloud, beyond everything they are desperately hopeful that the Big Red One takes on the Victorians and Russians - and wins.

It is a battlefield of hopes and expectations.

It is the new America's truly decisive battle.



Day Twenty-Seven, 8:24 EST

The Battle of the Manhattan Line is every bit as great and terrible as promised. The roar of Abrams and the thumps of the Strykers and the chatter of the M4s contrasted against the shattering explosions of the Russian rocket artillery and the two-round stutter of the Russian AK-28s. Blue light from the Russian Radiant shines in against particularly trenchant eastward flanks, the Victorians left to charge the titans clashing like suicidal moths towards the flames with nothing but their rifles, their mortars, and their elan.

The air buzzes with smoke and chaff and decoys and drones, all the last tricks of the past fifty years unleashed upon a single battlefield. Infantry-portable drones scout the battlefield, marking targets for Strykers and Abrams to hit - not that there's much difficulty, considering how the Big Red One is surrounded by a tide of enemies in all directions. Russian COIN drones sortie against the last SAM batteries that the America's Last Army can muster, Su-34s staying well out of range until the battlefield clears up. The Victorian T-34s are an afterthought, annihilated with every round the American Abrams can fire that isn't used to fight against the tanks the Tsar has airlifted in. Russian rocket artillery is met with the last rockets that the Big Red One was able to bring with it, the streaks of missiles whizzing through the air.

Private Singh, momentarily dazed, draws the connection to the anthem. In the haze of the fog and the smoke, bright red streaks followed rockets through the air, as airburst flak cannons tried to shoot down low-hanging drones. Long instinct makes his body snap his rifle over to the latest Victorian charge, and burst fire at the charging Victorians, shooting three shots when every shot seemed to kill another Victorian. With one ear open even as the other is shut from hearing damage, he turns away from the danger-close rocket artillery, and bursts into a run back to the Stryker at Sargeant Foley's orders, now.



Day Twenty-Seven: 8:52 EST

The Manhattan Line is right there. The Big Red One has almost reached it, having crushed the Victorians underfoot and slowly overcoming the Russians through sheer overwhelming numbers and force. The final commitment of an all-divisional CMC charge, only to shatter against the combined might of the Big Red One breaks the Victorian fighting will entirely, and the radio frequencies fill with the panic of a routed enemy that has never learned the meaning of defeat and has only learned that victory means atrocities against the enemy.

Without Victorian bodies in the way, the fielded Russian forces begin to beat their own retreat, and Burns decides to take this opportunity to regroup his forces for one final push.

It is the last mistake he will ever make.



Day Twenty-Seven: 8:53 EST

The Radiant's blue light finally struck Hellfire Burns tank. Evidently, with the Victorians routing and the Russians in a hasty retreat, the Radiant battleship considered weapons-free to be an acceptable policy.

The squadron of F-35Ns taking off from the FCNY's runways intended to put paid to that.

The Radiant defiantly lifts its laser against the sky, and the F-35Ns begins scattering everywhere.

One pilot aims straight for the deck.

All of the pilots accelerate.

CIWS and SAM fire begins to lock on to the Lightning IIs, already launched too close to the navy in order to properly evade. Flares go out - and then a beam of blinding brightness catches one F-35N by surprise, before melting it away.

Suddenly, a warning is called out - that one F-35N skimming the surface of the water would be in range too close to intercept soon - their next target had to be that one fighter.

The problem is, this fighter is skimming the water. One false nudge, and the intake would stop being sea spray and start being sea. The Radiant cannot depress its own aperture that far, and none of the CIWS and SAM systems can traverse fast enough.

The anti-ship payload is delivered near the minimum necessary range to even activate.

The Radiant battleship's laser aperture evaporates in a ball of fire and fury.



Day Twenty-Seven: 9:32 EST

The Russians finally fully disengage from the field, turning their armored vehicles around and fleeing.

Just as well, Commander Schultz thought.

It wasn't like the Big Red One could take any more punishment, at this rate - crossing the Manhattan Line would be almost the limit of his own forces.

But that was all he had to do.



Day Twenty-Seven: 10:07 EST

Photojournalist Charity al-Sheik knows she has the picture of the century.

It is the lone hand of a brown-skinned soldier, sticking out of an armored vehicle. An American flag is clutched with the ring finger, the pinky finger, and the thumb. The index and middle fingers hold up a V.

V for victory.

She will later find out that Private Singh's victory pose was completely against orders - but that doesn't matter so much as the image, played across every news media site for the next month straight.

American has returned.

Victorious.
Non-canon, of course. I love it. :rofl:

@PoptartProdigy Sorry if this annoys you, but what would the international response to huhYeahGoodPoint's omake be? Because all I can see is a complete and utter Charlie-Foxtrot, quite possibly with California as well as New York rebelling and forming an American Successor State. Possibly together depending on how the negotiations go, with whatever results helped along by the fact that Victoria does not have any military left except what scraps are at home and their militia. Oh, and then there's the big 'Line in the Sand' moment where there is Russian military units fighting to kill off a surviving American military unit. That has got to have some effect, because it basically means that Russia can't hide behind false fronts and patsies in regards to the North America situation anymore. On the other hand, it does mean they don't need to worry about concealing things anymore...
California would certainly take the opportunity to break away. Realistically, FCNY would take the opportunity to start conducting outreach in their vicinity. There would be instant foreign attention to them, and their present level of foreign support would drastically swell overnight. Russia would have to step up its rhetoric, for fear of allowing an American successor state time and room to grow and gather even more Legitimacy than they already possessed. Realistically, such a stunt would end in war within five years.
 
@PoptartProdigy Sorry if this annoys you, but what would the international response to huhYeahGoodPoint's omake be? Because all I can see is a complete and utter Charlie-Foxtrot, quite possibly with California as well as New York rebelling and forming an American Successor State. Possibly together depending on how the negotiations go, with whatever results helped along by the fact that Victoria does not have any military left except what scraps are at home and their militia. Oh, and then there's the big 'Line in the Sand' moment where there is Russian military units fighting to kill off a surviving American military unit. That has got to have some effect, because it basically means that Russia can't hide behind false fronts and patsies in regards to the North America situation anymore. On the other hand, it does mean they don't need to worry about concealing things anymore...
California would certainly take the opportunity to break away. Realistically, FCNY would take the opportunity to start conducting outreach in their vicinity. There would be instant foreign attention to them, and their present level of foreign support would drastically swell overnight. Russia would have to step up its rhetoric, for fear of allowing an American successor state time and room to grow and gather even more Legitimacy than they already possessed. Realistically, such a stunt would end in war within five years.
IMO, the next five days seems like a more likely timeframe for the declaration of war, considering that F-35s sortied from O'Hare International Airport just launched a direct assault against the Russian Caribbean Fleet and probably killed some Russian sailors right there and then - there's stuff that you could plausibly deny, and then there's "oh yeah we let them land, refuel, rearm, and then take off from our airport to blow up your ships and didn't say a word indicating duress". Like, Alexander could totally play that up into a war right there and then and I don't think he'd want to play it down.

For me, though, the most interesting knock-on effects is the polarization of the world - specifically, South America and Africa. The Russian Caribbean Fleet has just been paralyzed and badly damaged, thousands of miles away from any port that could be reasonably construed as "safe" or "capable of conducting necessary repairs" - which likely means that Russia needs to bring in forces from elsewhere, like the European and African garrisons. That draw-down of Russian power and the promise of a resurgent America would mean that the South American and African nations would likely decide - do they want to stay in Russia's orbit, now that the Fleets have left, or do they want to jump in with China or the EU?

It's uncertain, and the uncertainty would probably make the Tsar feel more alive than anything he's done in the past twenty years, after all of his gambles destabilizing all the other powers paid off.
 
But tanks cannot maneuver faster than the traversal speed of a laser turret. His SAM batteries cannot maneuver faster than the traversal speed of a laser turret. Fortunately, his countermeasures against satellite observation are mostly working - the Russians are only hitting about every one in four laser shots.
Lasers are line of sight weapons.
And line of sight to the horizon for a gun situated at 20m above sea level is about 16km.
There is no way a laser battleship would be able to target tanks in Pennsylvania/New Jersey from a couple kilometers off the Eastern seaboard.

Furthermore, the sheer energy required to kill an MBT with a laser is.....prohibitive.

120mm tank cannons put out somewhere north of 14MJ to punch through the glacis of an enemy tank at less than 2km.
When you add in energy loss from distance attenuation and scattering, and the fact that electricity to laser efficiency conversion is less than 60%, you are probably looking at something north of 100MJ for a DEW that will kill a tank from the front at double digit kilometers.

For reference, the 16,000 ton, >4 billion dollar Zumwalt-class has a total installed generating capacity of 78MW when all it's turbines are activ.
That's in total for everything: propulsion, weapons, radars, everything.

/no fun allowed.
:V
which likely means that Russia needs to bring in forces from elsewhere, like the European and African garrisons.
They don't have garrisons in Africa. They can't afford them.
The population disparity involved in attempting to garrison late-twenty first century Africa would be too great.

And the GM has indicated that Russian presence in most of Africa is minimal anyway.
Like, Alexander could totally play that up into a war right there and then and I don't think he'd want to play it down.
If they could hide an entire wing or two of late model F-35s, they could damn well hide multiple batteries of AGM-158C LRASMs with 1-ton warheads.

Hell, the F-35 is designed to carry LRASMs as heavy shipkillers with a range in excess of 200 nautical miles.
The only reason said fleet isn't sucking seawater, the only reason those Sukhois didn't get flattened on Victorian airfields is a desire to avoid escalation and maintain initial deniability.

Imperial Russia's totally going to claim those were Vic aircraft, acquired from the Imperial Air Force for a ruble each, and will produce backdated papers for all the dual citizen Vic-Russian pilots that were flying them. FCNY will claim that the plane's volunteer pilot wasnt a FCNY citizen and obviously crashed from combat damage, because if it was an attack it would be armed with shipkillers.

Both sides will trade accusations, lick their wounds and go to plotting their next moves.
And since you'd probably see California breaking out in the immediate aftermath, I suspect Alexander would have more pressing issues shortly.
Because Cali is the fettered dragon.
 
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Because Cali is the fettered dragon.
Thinking about it plainly...I think the long term damages Russia did by keeping California somewhat intact is going to finally bite them.

If only because a potential rebellion by them at such a critical time, with Victoria out of action, would give other actors on the world stage *Cough* Europe and Poland *Cough* room to menuvere.

Time is not on Alexander's side with his advanced age, his iron will itself, cannot keep the world he made together...not this time.

Its really a matter of "What trouble spot is most worth my remaining time on earth."

And I'm not factoring in Russia's...internal political situation, which we are not privy to, that could also factor into certain actors' ability to actually act.

Edit: The Internal stability of a Nation is just as strong a factor in external policy making, if not more so then your ability to force project. If his house is not in order, then he will have to clean it up.
 
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Thinking about it plainly...I think the long term damages Russia did by keeping California somewhat intact is going to finally bite them.
Cali was a nuclear power still when they were forced into durance vile.
They were weakened at the time, but they retained all the technical expertise of a first world nation and most of the technological brain trust of the Old Country, as well as it's crown jewels. Only so far you can push someone without risking them backpacking a nuke or a van into your capital city.

Nuclear weapons mean that you can always lose.

Not to mention that Alexander's environmental agenda and push to move the planet off fossil fuel could not actually afford the total destruction of one of the remaining major research nexuses of the world. The UK had collapsed, France and Italy devolved into civil conflict, South Korea got invaded by Japan. This left Germany, the Nordics, Holland and Japan.

Australia is not a major research hub, India and Russia would still have been spooling up their research establishments, and both South America and subsaharan Africa was only beginning its long road to scientific relevance. Japan could not have carried the weight on its own.
With the fall of the US and Canada, the two major research hubs surviving in North America would be NYC and Cali.

He kinda needed them to not drown in melting icecaps and emergent bioplagues.
By the time he was consolidated enough to dispense with them, so were they.
 
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