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The Mormons are so remote and hard to get to with the post-2050-or-so collapse of long range transport infrastructure that the Victorians may very well have left them largely alone.

It's not as easy for them to break up the Republic of Deseret as it would be for them to break up a revivalist polity trying to assemble in, say, Virginia or Florida or Illinois. Deseret would be prone to isolation, in a big desert region that inherently limits their agricultural potential and therefore population, and surrounded by deserts and mountains in all directions. Getting to them is a long, painful march on which trucks break down and shit like that. And when you DO get there, well, the population is religious enough that it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to produce fighters who can approach or even match Vick fanaticism.

Given that @PoptartProdigy has stated that the NCR does a lot of kill missions for Russia (They are a Russian puppet like Victoria, they just don't like it). I suspect any Utah based destruction would come from California. Who is much, much closer.

Also I hate to bring up a discord bit, but it look like it didn't get thread posted previously and, I think gives a lot of insight in understanding in NCR in the context of current post USA.

Poptart Discord said:
Cali actually does do a lot of its fighting away from its borders, so the M8 makes sense as a choice. They're like Victoria, except they prefer to carry out kill missions from the Tsar by way of annexing as bloodlessly as possible and then saying, "Not a threat anymore, boss!" Which Alex allows, since it means the amount of wealth he can drain from them before their budget hits red gets bigger.
(So not really like Victoria, really, save that they take their orders from Moscow and are not to allow strong, independent states arising.)

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All this said, the locals are not really appreciative. They are not citizens of the NCR, and the NCR does have to..."forcibly restructure"...the economies of places they conquer to better serve the Russians' endless hunger for resources.

Not to the people they conquer.
Like, I want to emphasize:
There are people who are better than Victoria, but post-Collapse America is a fucked up place.

(On giving those they conquered the vote)

Poptart Discord said:
And the NCR does not need Russian pressure to not want the votes of people they were shooting last year in the legislative elections.

This is going to make full US a bit of a problem. Because, frankly, a lot of states are going to have rather reasonable grudges against the NCR.
 
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I am pretty sure Deseret doesn't exist?

It keeps coming up despite these comments, though, so maybe PtP will throw up their hands and let it exist :p.
Well all I know is, unless someone killed all the Mormons in Utah and Poptart hasn't told us yet, the Mormons in Utah are going to be relevant to someone in the game, somewhere, at some time. Unless @PoptartProdigy makes a very uncharacteristic slip.

(EDIT: Aaaand as to the nature of that relevance...)

Given that @PoptartProdigy has stated that the NCR does a lot of kill missions for Russia (They are a Russian puppet like Victoria, they just don't like it). I suspect any Utah based destruction would come from California. Who is much, much closer.

Also I hate to bring up a discord bit, but it look like it didn't get thread posted previously and, I think gives a lot of insight in understanding in NCR in the context of current post USA.
Wait... shit. OK, THAT would be a game-changer if it's applicable.

If the NCR's existing military is being actively used to go break shit and kill people (even on a 'minimum force' basis) on behalf of Russia, then yes it becomes plausible that Utah/Deseret is a fragmented wreck with no high-level organization or population concentrations. Or a resource state administered by NCR troops on behalf of the Russians.

Of course, if true it also means the NCR has been complicit in a whole RAFTLOAD of wrongful things. Which will definitely complicate the whole 'reunification' thing, and our relationship with them, in the long run. And maybe increase their desire to stay out of a reconstructed national coalition, since such a coalition would include a lot of people who remember the NCR as conquerors.
 
[X] Remove Hostile Neighborhood. You have been the focus of low-grade hostility and resentment for too long. And...well, all right, you've not actually been very proactive about doing anything about that. But you are tired of it, and you will never get a chance to be surer than now that you'll have the ultimate opportunity to finally change people's perceptions of you. You can't make a second first impression, but you can kill that bastard first impression while you have the chance.
 
Well all I know is, unless someone killed all the Mormons in Utah and Poptart hasn't told us yet, the Mormons in Utah are going to be relevant to someone in the game, somewhere, at some time. Unless @PoptartProdigy makes a very uncharacteristic slip.

(EDIT: Aaaand as to the nature of that relevance...)

Wait... shit. OK, THAT would be a game-changer if it's applicable.

If the NCR's existing military is being actively used to go break shit and kill people (even on a 'minimum force' basis) on behalf of Russia, then yes it becomes plausible that Utah/Deseret is a fragmented wreck with no high-level organization or population concentrations. Or a resource state administered by NCR troops on behalf of the Russians.

Of course, if true it also means the NCR has been complicit in a whole RAFTLOAD of wrongful things. Which will definitely complicate the whole 'reunification' thing, and our relationship with them, in the long run. And maybe increase their desire to stay out of a reconstructed national coalition, since such a coalition would include a lot of people who remember the NCR as conquerors.

Yeah, I had not realized just how complicit they were before seeing that and it majorly changes the mental model I had of intra-US relations. Utah wise, I'd guess fragmented if anything. In the original California option, it was stated.

[ ] Deny the offer. You frankly do not feel ready to trust the NCR. They've changed since you last were there, and you've heard some foreboding things about how militaristic they were in expanding into Arizona and Nevada. Plus, separated from you as they are by the Rockies, they would make a poor ally. Obviously, the NCR will be far cooler towards you, and you would have no help with resisting the Victorians' attack.

So it looks like they are just up to Arizona and Nevada, but like Utah would be next, and we don't have good communication lines.

It also means that I'm not even sure they want the reconstructed US, at all. They want Russia away but like, even if they didn't join the US, if the rest of the US reunites without them it leaves a massive polity on their door that's members that most interact with them are hostile. Granted, they aren't going to go militarily invade without Russia, but they might be a little reluctant to hand over the conquered territory.

It also explains a few things about their offer.

"The NCR has a timetable of three years to independence," says Sandra. "When we declare independence, we want you to recognize us as an independent and legitimate state, and come to the table to agree on territorial claims. In exchange, we sabotage the Vicks' war effort as best we can. We produce a lot of their materiel. We can hurt them."

First, why having us recognizing California is such a big deal. That is a promise that has actually massively increased in value for them since the time we made it. At this point, our recognition if more legitimate than FCNY, and when we do so, a lot of western revivalists are likely going to feel stabbed in the back. In addition, I've been nervous about California's desire to "agree on territorial claims" for a while. If my paranoid thoughts are right (see above) that may have a lot more meaning than we realize.
 
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First, why having us recognizing California is such a big deal. That is a promise that has actually massively increased in value for them since the time we made it. At this point, our recognition if more legitimate than FCNY...
Remember that from the NCR's perspective this was basically a gamble and they knew pretty closely just how valuable it would be if we won. Since they could (so to speak) predict the +5 Legitimacy we'd gain from beating the Vicks, and maybe even the +2 we gained from FCNY recognition. They couldn't predict that we'd specifically take historical American cultural artifacts out of Vick hands for a further Legitimacy boost, and they obviously don't know we have the freaking Declaration of Independence in a warehouse somewhere, but they could predict at least some of it.

and when we do so, a lot of western revivalists are likely going to feel stabbed in the back. In addition, I've been nervous about California's desire to "agree on territorial claims" for a while. If my paranoid thoughts are right (see above) that may have a lot more meaning than we realize.
On the other hand, what we promised them was to recognize them as independent and legitimate, not to recognize all their territorial claims, as I understand it. We promised to come to the table, not to concede that Arizona or Utah is rightfully part of the NCR until we see plebiscite results.

We have a pretty firm leg to stand on if we say "the parts of the NCR where the majority of the residents are not actually voting NCR citizens are not part of the NCR." On the other hand, it's going to seriously anger elements of the NCR government if and when we do so.

...

[On a side note this kind of thing is why I don't like quests having Discords. Either Poptart intended to reveal this to the thread, or they did not. if they did not, then we've just hacked their infosec and this is going to influence our reasoning in ways they won't like. If they did, then it's almost coincidence that @clockworkchaos happened to think of posting it and it's information that is going to dramatically alter the way we think about the NCR. Information that we might not have gotten access to at all if it hadn't been for her action. We've got this situation where a lot of potentially plot-significant information is compartmentalized and you have to go to different places to find it all. :(]
 
Remember that from the NCR's perspective this was basically a gamble and they knew pretty closely just how valuable it would be if we won. Since they could (so to speak) predict the +5 Legitimacy we'd gain from beating the Vicks, and maybe even the +2 we gained from FCNY recognition. They couldn't predict that we'd specifically take historical American cultural artifacts out of Vick hands for a further Legitimacy boost, and they obviously don't know we have the freaking Declaration of Independence in a warehouse somewhere, but they could predict at least some of it.

On the other hand, what we promised them was to recognize them as independent and legitimate, not to recognize all their territorial claims, as I understand it. We promised to come to the table, not to concede that Arizona or Utah is rightfully part of the NCR until we see plebiscite results.

We have a pretty firm leg to stand on if we say "the parts of the NCR where the majority of the residents are not actually voting NCR citizens are not part of the NCR." On the other hand, it's going to seriously anger elements of the NCR government if and when we do so.

...

[On a side note this kind of thing is why I don't like quests having Discords. Either Poptart intended to reveal this to the thread, or they did not. if they did not, then we've just hacked their infosec and this is going to influence our reasoning in ways they won't like. If they did, then it's almost coincidence that @clockworkchaos happened to think of posting it and it's information that is going to dramatically alter the way we think about the NCR. Information that we might not have gotten access to at all if it hadn't been for her action. We've got this situation where a lot of potentially plot-significant information is compartmentalized and you have to go to different places to find it all. :(]
I mean, if the Discord has the information, it's only fair game to share it with the quest.

Frankly, the NCR is an irreplaceable ally with at least as much legitimacy as a lot of the people we're going to consider as fellow states, so we'd need to conduct more or less the same actions and appeals anyway, definitely unwilling collaboration that they took steps to mitigate as soon as practical aside. Just make changing the Russian-imposed policies and optically awful current policies into something we want from them at the cost of concessions on our part and we can deal with the aftereffects of that particular Russian poison pill.

Something something timetables for representative governments on affilitated territories, the unfortunate expansion was Russia's fault, freedom and representation for all.
 
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I mean, if the Discord has the information, it's only fair game to share it with the quest.

Frankly, the NCR is an irreplaceable ally with at least as much legitimacy as a lot of the people we're going to consider as fellow states, so we'd need to conduct more or less the same actions and appeals anyway, definitely unwilling collaboration that they took steps to mitigate as soon as practical aside. Just make changing the Russian-imposed policy something we want from them at the cost of concessions on our part and we can deal with the aftereffects of that particular Russian poison pill.
Fair point.

The Russians, after all, want North Americans all divided and hating and fearing each other, and we should be wise enough to recognize the importance of truth-and-reconciliation-ing our way past that.

As long as the NCR is prepared to, y'know, let go the conquistador act and just settle for being a big, prosperous, West Coast economy?
 
Fair point.

The Russians, after all, want North Americans all divided and hating and fearing each other, and we should be wise enough to recognize the importance of truth-and-reconciliation-ing our way past that.

As long as the NCR is prepared to, y'know, let go the conquistador act and just settle for being a big, prosperous, West Coast economy?
I mean, that's what us negotiating with them is for and honestly would be necessary for the Union to work in any way, shape or form anyway.

Offer enough shinies/reparations respectively, get everyone talking, and maybe make a not so subtle point about how you don't really want to see any puppet states on the continent down the line if they really want to expand their influence?

And add an oversized dollop of Russia blaming including on the public record, as I imagine that's always going to play well on the continent and Cali's burning her bridges in dramatic fashion anyway.
 
Frankly, the NCR is an irreplaceable ally
This...is truth. The NCR has three advantages currently over our own situation that can be noted currently. (As flawed and bias as it is coming from a Californian)

The NCR has a Nuclear Arsenal, not a big one, not even a modern one...but they have (Or at least have the ability to make) Fully functional nuclear bombs in secret, the bane of all Humanity. Something not even Victoria has.

The NCR has the Pasific Ocean trade network to the US's Fomer allies of Austarialia and New Zealand, who weathered the collapse fairly well, and have a mostly modern arms industry based on the Lore menu. The possibility exists as long as that lifeline lives, after all who knows how they are taking all of this.

There are pieces in play we cannot see...just keeping that in mind.

The NCR's Military is the most dangerous force on the continent at this current moment that we know of, With our small force rather depleated from a long military adventure and Victoria in a state of Civil War, they are the top dog with a mostly equipped and motivated Army. Its all a matter of getting through the War for Independence intact enough to start their engines of conquest and reforge a nation or shape the formed nations in their image.

The Russians, after all, want North Americans all divided and hating and fearing each other, and we should be wise enough to recognize the importance of truth-and-reconciliation-ing our way past that.
We must all hang together or hang separately in this tree we call America... I for one choose Unity. What form of unity I do not know.

But that is an argument for another time.

Lets end my triad with a quote from Hamilton.

"I never expect to see a perfect work from an imperfect man."

It's a bumpy road to a safe and prosperous nation. Or even a Federation of Nations...who knows.

Enjoy my thoughts on the matter, as helpful as you may find it.
 
The NCR's Military is the most dangerous force on the continent at this current moment that we know of, With our small force rather depleated from a long military adventure and Victoria in a state of Civil War, they are the top dog with a mostly equipped and motivated Army. Its all a matter of getting through the War for Independence intact enough to start their engines of conquest and reforge a nation or shape the formed nations in their image.
Notably, they also have vastly better equipment. Even with our current forces in top condition, we'd barely be a speed-bump to them. It will likely be at least ten or twenty years before we could expect to outfight the NCR military in straight-up combat, barring truly prodigious foreign support.
 
[X] Remove Hostile Neighborhood. You have been the focus of low-grade hostility and resentment for too long. And...well, all right, you've not actually been very proactive about doing anything about that. But you are tired of it, and you will never get a chance to be surer than now that you'll have the ultimate opportunity to finally change people's perceptions of you. You can't make a second first impression, but you can kill that bastard first impression while you have the chance.

[X] Expand. In the current political climate, you have a better chance than ever to strike while the iron is hot and seek the entry of new member states to the Commonwealth. If you play your cards right, you could grow very powerful, very swiftly...albeit at something of a cost in optics.

Offer admission to the CFC to anyone who wants in at this time. Not pressuring, but open offer for a Toledo-style deal.
 
[X] Remove Hostile Neighborhood. You have been the focus of low-grade hostility and resentment for too long. And...well, all right, you've not actually been very proactive about doing anything about that. But you are tired of it, and you will never get a chance to be surer than now that you'll have the ultimate opportunity to finally change people's perceptions of you. You can't make a second first impression, but you can kill that bastard first impression while you have the chance.

[X] Expand. In the current political climate, you have a better chance than ever to strike while the iron is hot and seek the entry of new member states to the Commonwealth. If you play your cards right, you could grow very powerful, very swiftly...albeit at something of a cost in optics.

Offer admission to the CFC to anyone who wants in at this time. Not pressuring, but open offer for a Toledo-style deal.
If they really want in right now, they'll ask for it.
 
I was under the impression we'd just end up adding the Canadian states to the flag. It's not like Canada isn't (for all extents and purposes) completely bound economically and politically to the US today.
More likely hold them for safekeeping, with the ultimate objective of giving most of it back if/when we can get Canada up and running again.
National myths die hard, and significant parts of Canada's interior in this quest remain unspecified.

Japan holds BC, and Victoria holds most of Quebec and the other eastern provinces, with Ontario being disorganized, and the Arctic Conservatiate holding NT and Nunavut.
Manitoba, Alberta and Saskatchewan remain unspecified.
American iNdiViDuALiSm has probably not improved with the genre shift to postapocalyptic. A farce is still a farce that has to be maintained for the sake of our own legitimacy.
American Individualism died at the barrel of a Victorian rifle. Or possibly a Imperial Russian drone strike.
The myth of the rugged individualist cutting his way alone into the wilderness with his trusty rifle ran headlong into the reality of what happens when you have no access to a trained medic, gunsmith, metalworker, or vehicle mechanic, and have to grind your own grain after growing it.

People who actually lived in the era were under no illusions about how dependent they were on lifelines to more settled areas, and the help of community. The individualism mythmaking largely came later.

They could have a radically different political vision that they feel is incompatible with ours, but which has widespread genuinely popular support among their population? Like, say, the Mormons of Utah might honestly want to just be Deseret and have everyone mostly leave them alone. it's far from out of the question. WIthout someone coercively threatening them at gunpoint to reintegrate into the United States, they might very well prefer not to. I think that's a problem the NCR may be having soon, if they aren't already.
I predict a Mormon-based Republic of Deseret to be quite significant for us, and especially for the NCR, at some point as the scale of our game zooms out to 'whole of North America' instead of 'specifically the Midwest.'
Utah is a modern day state of 3 million people, surrounded by low-population states like Colorado, Wyoming and Idaho.
11th least densely populated, and with no access to the sea.
They may have a fairly resilient internal ideology, but they dont really have the demographic weight to matter on a North America scale, even unified.

Not a carbon copy, a starting point.
That sort of political structure is entirely too vulnerable to external destabilization.
I cannot see why anyone would look at what happened to the EU in the last four decades in this AU and think to start with that.
No thanks.

Now, they must be a fascinating little bit of lore to explore - assuming the Vics didn't just swoop in and finish the job themselves, of course.
Too far to operate, even if living off the land. Too close to California.
And you can be sure that any Vic division that attempted to come that far after the Pacific War would meet the lethal attentions of California Intelligence, with insurgents literally tripping over stockpiles of first world weaponry from both government and possibly private sources.

Russia be damned.
Given that @PoptartProdigy has stated that the NCR does a lot of kill missions for Russia (They are a Russian puppet like Victoria, they just don't like it). I suspect any Utah based destruction would come from California. Who is much, much closer.

Also I hate to bring up a discord bit, but it look like it didn't get thread posted previously and, I think gives a lot of insight in understanding in NCR in the context of current post USA.
Utah is dominated by the LDS, which would survive even the overt fall of the state government, and has it's own independent command networks.
And the NCR have a demonstrably effective intelligence service. Imperial Russia is competent, but the NCR arent actually stupid.
I suspect you'll find that a lot more was accomplished by backroom dealings than from jackboots.

Not saying there won't be resentment, but its worth remembering that the fact Russia is coercing them is public knowledge.
Besides, look at the NCR's bordering states.

Oregon is Imperial Japanese territory.
Nevada would literally have been begging for any sort of foreign stabilizing influence once it's economy collapsed, and it's water supply is none too good. Arizona has a significant population, but its fairly arid, so that reverses quickly with the Collapse.

If the NCR went full jackboot, they wouldn't actually have all that of an issue if it was internally populr.
Their problem is that they are a mediumweight state in a world of superheavyweights. And they have had decades of eating shit because of that fact.
All those states are large but population poor.

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They need the US as much as the US needs them.

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Anyone with eyes can look at what happened to Britain in this AU after it chose to abandon friends to go it alone.
Or precisely how much fun Turkey is having on Imperial Russia's border after NATO collapsed and they cheesed off the European Union.
Or what happened to Pakistan.
 
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Lamb Among Wolves (Sheep in the big city)
Pat 3: Then and Now


Internalized ableism. Self-hatred. Traumatic situations. Mass OSHA violations.

THEN

Mary awoke with a jolt. Her hand flailed until it hit the metal side with a painful bang. As she nursed it, she tried to gather her wits. Papa had been right there and… and she was in the wrong bed, surrounded by metal.

The ship, but she had been at home with John and Papa and… and that didn't make sense, did it? She had been on the boat, then home, now ship, so, it was a dream? It felt real, and she couldn't understand how she could have gotten to sleep, all alone in this wrong bed with metal around her and the noise of the machines that drove the ship. She remembered lying in bed, desperately hoping sleep would take her.

Part of her still felt it was impossible to get up, but she was well trained in getting up when she didn't want too. There was even less excuse for laziness when the stakes were, literally, everyone. As she got up and got dressed, the obviousness that it was just a dream made more and more sense, though how she had managed to fall asleep still felt like an unsolvable mystery.

She opened the door and nearly walked over her breakfast. She stopped herself just in time and looked at the tray before her; it wasn't just porridge, but sausage, eggs, cabbage, and onions. This was the sort of breakfast she might cook for the entire family when Papa was home. Not something for every day, and it had been prepared for her. Children did not get individual breakfast. Trays like this, these were for when Papa didn't feel like coming out when he was busy. That was always a delicate task since it would insult him to imply, he wouldn't want to eat breakfast with his family, but leaving him without breakfast...

Mary carried the tray to the table and dipped her spoon in the porridge. It was sweet. This porridge had honey, or perhaps even sugar in it. She had barely tasted such except when Papa brought it in. She ate, forcing one bite after, but her mind was not there. It was all wrong, eating like this. Alone. She couldn't remember the last time she'd eaten alone, really. Sure, she might eat early if she needed to be serving, but that wasn't really alone, everyone was there, just asleep.

It most reminded herself of the early days. Not the first, she didn't honestly remember anything of coming, only the stories that Papa told. He's always said she'd barely cried when she'd been given the sign of the garden. It was how he'd known she was going to be the perfect daughter.

But those early days... The Lewis's were not bad, of course. She should be grateful for them, looking after her when Papa was away. They had kept her fed and taught her how to cook, clean, and sow. They were not her Papa. She was not their child. Praise, affection, love, those were what only Papa could give. She was always to remember that when they were there. She'd tried a few times, and they'd reminded her.

It was one of the reasons that, stress aside, she had loved it when Papa came home. His warm embrace, care, telling her stories of his exploits. There wasn't anyone else. Mercy helped, but she wasn't part of the same house until John came; it was just her, alone.

She didn't feel like eating, it was too much, too rich. It was a sin not to eat all the food; looking down at her plate, she could see the most considerable portion of scraps she'd ever known. Typically, such scraps would be either saved and re-baked, or given to the other children. But neither was an option. After debating with herself, she opted to leave the tray outside her door. Hopefully, someone would make use of it, the idea of all that, including honey, going to waste was unthinkable.

She made her way out of the cramped, metal passages of the to the top of the ship. The sun was shining down, the day had fully begun. How had she possibly slept this long? She had assumed it was barely morning, but to have slept in so late. How had she been so lazy when everyone was relying on her? Before she could adequately berate herself, her eye was caught by the scenery.

They were on the lake, but there was land on both sides. She could make out something, possibly towns on both sides. Ships were docked in numbers she had never seen, and Papa's stories about pirates bubbled up uncomfortably.

They should be safe? These were Chicago waters, right? No pirates would dare attack someone headed there to the conference, right? Unless, of course, Chicago only respected strength and expected anyone to be tough enough to get through. Or they killed them all, and Chicago never found out. Or-

Mary closed her eyes. Don't worry about that. Just take those worries and shoved them down and focus on doing what you need to do. It was the only way to manage anything.

OoOoOoOoOo

Thomas was a simple boy, but good with machines. Everyone knew this and said so, so he knew it as well. His Papa would often say it, Thomas didn't say anything back, don't speak unless directly spoken to. Unless his Papa said something about how his name was appropriate or how he would fit right in with his namesake division and laughed. If Papa laughed, you laughed and hoped it was the right choice. If his sister Purity was there, then she'd see if she laughed, but women couldn't use machines, too complicated for them, so she wasn't always there when Papa was with him.

Thomas was good with machines, which wasn't something that most Children were; machines were corrupting and dangerous. But his Papa worked with them and had his work with them. He'd been seven, watching Papa try to repair an engine (Papa was one of the few in logistics). Papa said that he had known Thomas was good with machines when he found him spinning gears during the fight that had taken the town. These days, Papa didn't even usually watch him directly; Papa just showed him what he needed to fix and then went to the house.

Which was probably best for everyone. Thomas wasn't at dinner to disturb everyone. He didn't have to worry about fidgeting and Papa correcting it. Just machines, simple, understandable tools. Long as he followed a few rules. Only touch what he was allowed to touch. Fix it all, if he couldn't, talk to Purity first, she could usually help make sure that Papa didn't get angry about it. Machines were dangerous, corrupting influences, but Thomas was simple, and therefore, by Papa's reckoning, not a risk. That was good, Thomas was simple, but even he knew what happened to other Children who worked with machines and started getting ideas, so Thomas tried to avoid them.

Thomas was checking the engine when he heard the person clearing their throat. He wasn't sure what someone else was doing there, but it wasn't necessary. No one really knew what this journey would be like. This changed a lot and complaining about changes made you a brat, which was not something you wanted to be. Thomas could keep it together, had too.

"Excuse me." The person said, which was probably good? At least they were being polite about intruding on his space. Thomas nodded in acknowledgment and continued on.

"I wish to talk with you." The same person said again.

Thomas stopped and looked up. The ambassador stood in from of him, the sown sash marking her clearly. That wasn't good, If she wanted to speak with him and had been here the entire time, then the other things she had been doing were probably things to say she wanted to talk. Which met that he had been ignoring her. It wasn't the first time he cursed how stupid he was. "Sorry, ma'am." Start with an apology, now eyes up or down?

The problem was he didn't even know what the ambassador was, really. It wouldn't have mattered if she was just a woman, the rules were simple then, don't talk to them. If necessary, let Purity talk. She'd had this talk with him clearly two years ago when he turned thirteen. He was becoming a man now and was not to speak to other girls lest he look improper, especially when papas were home. Even Thomas wasn't stupid enough to not understand the difference between when papas were around and weren't.

But that was the problem. What was an ambassador? He knew she was in charge, but "in charge" left a disturbing amount of ambiguity. Was she in charge like Papa was in charge, or like Purity was in charge? She was a woman, so that said Purity, but it had been emphasized that she was different; she was going to be the one talking to Chicago. Chicago woman had killed Papa, all the papas, they had invaded Victoria. Purity had been horrified at the idea and talked about her with fear reserved for Papa.

He looked at her clothes. Maybe he could figure it out there?. Dress, so that said Purity. But the dress wasn't like Purity's, it wasn't like any dress he had seen. It had too many.... things. Ribbons, and what he could only describe as fancier ribbons. The only time he'd ever seen something remotely like this was the dress some of the girls wore when the left for Victoria with their husbands. He hadn't been supposed to look, but he'd been working on the engines when Papa had ordered him out and had got curious. When he told Purity about it, that was what had prompted her orders to never look at women, and never, ever tell Papa). This was....more. More colors. More everything. He had no idea what it met. Then again, this was a ship, so maybe it was like that? Chicago husbands, not Victoria?

"Mr. Engineer?" the ambassador asked.

Thomas cursed his idiocy. She had been talking. She had been talking, and he hadn't paid attention, like a simpleton. At least he hadn't been playing with his wrench, Papa hated that. Simple rules here, apologize, accept punishment, do what was asked, he looked at the floor, praying this was a "look ashamed" time and not a "look at me when I'm speaking boy." time

"I'm sorry I couldn't make out what you said. It is loud in here." One of the few useful lies he'd ever managed to come up with himself, and one that seemed worked better than most.

"OH," She said. "I WANTED TO KNOW HOW THIS MACHINE WORKS. COULD YOU TEACH ME?"

That didn't help at all. Women didn't ask about machines, and papas didn't ask to be taught anything, they already knew it all. Which met she was... some new category, something he didn't know the rules for. Just focus on obeying, for now, neither Purity not Papa got mad if you did what they said, at least if you didn't get it wrong. And she was asking about machines, and that was easy. He liked engines, much more comfortable than people.

He started explaining it with only a few interruptions.

"IT EXPLODES?"

"Just tiny, controlled ones." Purity had been like that the one time he'd tried explaining oil to her. "It gets pumped in at the right amounts here, and the tiny explosions drive the rest of the machinery, moving the gears you can see here."

"And we have this oil in the ship?"

"Yeah, lots of it in the hold."

"And if it caught on fire?"

"Oh, don't worry about that. It's all safely stored away, where it can't catch on fire." She gave a look, which was probably being impressed by that. He went back to explaining how a crankshaft worked, and the screw turned the ship; those were important.

It all seemed to go well. Thomas knew about machines, explaining machines were easy. He wasn't sure why she asked, maybe it was because she was from Chicago (Purity had said that as well). They were supposed to be 'machine men,' so perhaps that made her one. He wasn't sure.

And then it went wrong. "So, this is one of the gears?" She said as she lifted her arms towards the crankshaft.

"Actually that's one-"

His replay was interrupted as she shrieked. One of her ribbon-like things had gotten caught in the engine, and her arm was being pulled in. She pulled back, and the dress began to rip. He should do something, but the dress was so fancy looking and breaking expensive things was a huge offense and.

"HELP ME!" She shouted, with a papa like anger. Before he even knew what he was doing, instinct too over, and he grabbed her arm and pulled. The sleeve of the dress ripped off as she and he fall back, the torn fabric quickly mangled into shreds by the powerful movement of the engine. Tom turned to the ambassador who was sprawled on the floor, her sleeve ripped open, her Sign of the Garden clearly visible along her upper arm. The ambassador picked herself up, moving swiftly out of the room.

Thomas sat there. He had screwed up, he's screwed up because he was too simple, too stupid to keep it safe. He had let himself get happy. He'd let himself get arrogant, focusing on the engine, like an idiot. Not remembering he was an idiot and couldn't keep people safe. And it was his machine to work on, so it was his fault.

He'd done worse than just destroy something, he'd been close enough to see real bare skin. He'd seen her Sign of the Garden. That was practically rape. He was going to be shot if she told anyone. Thomas cried. He hated himself. He hated how stupid he was. How useless he was.

OoOoOoOoOo

Mary slammed the door to her room. That had been a disaster. She'd wanted to find out more about machines, perhaps that would make them happy if she knew something, or understand them. But finding out that the ship was full of things that exploded, and the danger of machines... it was insane to use them.

Worse, the dress had been her fault. It had seemed like a good idea, sort of like her traditional clothes. Still, fancier, more 'ambassadory" but clearly fancy clothes were not something you could wear with machines. Which left her back, trying to decide what clothes she should wear.

And she'd yelled at the boy. With anger, like an orc. She'd just been so mad as he stood there looking at her as she was dragged in. She felt angry, scared as well, but she shouldn't have let that become anger. It felt like every second she was away, she was becoming more and more orchish. What if she grew to tainted, should she even come back? What if she hurt someone? Murdered John, or her own children. She had heard that orcish woman did that.

Mary ripped off the dress. She couldn't deal with clothes right now, and while she should have tried one something else, she just went with a regular dress. Easy, comforting, she would figure out what to wear later. For now, she would, she would-

There was shouting coming from the top. Mary ran to the deck, where several sailors were pointing outward. Mary looked. Upon the horizon, within the sea itself were two enormous pillars, the one on the left about half the height of the other. Mary had never seen a rock formation like that-

And that's when she looked closer and saw what made them shout. Jutting out from the pillars were bits of metal that stretched out but did not touch each other. As they grew nearer, the structure became even more mind-bending. The rock of the pillars was too smooth, too thin, it was something that someone had made, and its full size became clear. It was impossibly large, the taller reaching up to the sky, and even the smaller dwarfing their boat. And Mary couldn't tell what they were for? Were they crosses? What kind of people could make such enormous crosses and put them within the sea?

Mary forced herself away and walk to the man who had been designated as the Captain, he was such by being one of the oldest of the Children, perhaps even twenty. She thought he should have some sense of where they were. "Is this Chicago?" She asked.

"I don't... no, it can't be. We haven't turned down lake Michigan. This is... I'm pretty sure this is the straights of Mackinaw. We are only halfway there."

If this was only halfway there. If this was just a stop. Then what kind of place was Chicago? Mary's heart sank as they crossed the two unreal pillars.

OoOoOoOoOo

NOW

Mary ran through the ship, slamming the door behind her as she threw her clothes in a pile. She should fold them, but speed mattered right now, no Papa liked dawdling. And those Chicago women were papas.

There was a gentle knock on the door. "Mr---ma'am?" The word was awkward and uncertain, as they had all just learned it. It was what you called a woman that was like a Papa. And she was supposed to be an important figure.

"I'm busy!" She shouted back, fighting to get the pants off. Footsteps retreated down the hallways. Who had made these things? There was blessed silence as she managed to get out of the last of it and put on her Sunday best. She checked herself quickly in the mirror and walked out.

The Captain bowed to her in the hallways. "I am sorry about the interruption. Mark just wanted to ask if there was anything he could do."

Immediately Mary felt a drop in her stomach. She'd let her orchishness retake hold of her and yelled with anger. She'd nearly done so at the leader, at Sara herself! That was like... like Grandfather Smith, almost. Thanks, everything she'd managed to control her face, and they hadn't noticed.

She breathed in. "I am sorry I did not mean to scare him. Now is not a good time, and I need to get back. I can't ask about what you should do." She said, walking swiftly back to the gangplank as the Captain nodded. The different villages had different names for it, 'not a good time, let's wait for now, good time/bad time,' but everyone knew it. You didn't ask papas for things when they were angry, you didn't give them bad news, you didn't' ask questions that shouldn't be asked.

She gave another breath and turned to him. "Stay in the ship for now. Do anything they ask, but I won't know more until later. If I... if I don't say anything by the next night, sail back and tell the council... I'm sure they have come up with a plan for what to do next." She smiled as she saw some of the younger sailors risking peaking at her. With a slightly louder voice, "Everything will be just fine."

The Captain smiled back, and in his own happy voice, agreed. "Yes, everything will be fine."

With that, Mary steeled herself and walked down the gangplank again.

OoOoOoOo

AN: The crosses are the remains of the support structure of the Mackinaw. Which was blown to uselessness as part of Victoria's anti-bridge porgram.

So to drop a bit from Mary's perspective a second time, the answer to the previous question of 'where are the people who raised her?' is that they are probably alive. The Victorian's went in and purged a huge number of the original inhabitants but kept enough for child-raising. Said raising was done with the instructions of "this is my kid, and if I so much as suspect you are corrupting them, I will shoot you. Feed them, train them, nothing else." This means that the first generation's only source of affection was their "papas." Granted, sometimes a family would show affection and either flee in the night or get purged, damn shame to weed the kid as well, but can't have potential resentment. (Though a military division isn't the CMC, and so many could fly under the radar). As such, the first generation of Children has a level of unpleasant love for their abusers. Because if the only place you can get parental affection is with an abuser.... you do. "He hurts me and that shows he loves me" is considered to be a completely reasonable statement to them.

Also, Victoria is unsurprisingly ableist as hell and puts autism as being 'stupid.' Or at least the autism that survives, the alternative is 'willful,' and that's a weeding crime. Not sure about the who 'good with mechanics' thing as it digs a little into the 'savant' stereotype, but I justify it with he's not a super-genius. It gives a good reason for him not to be weeded.

Also, Victorian machine safety standards make OSHA cry.
Canon!
I imagined we'd have an Articles of Confederation 2: Eletric Boogaloo.
Not unless you'd like to be clowned on by...

...hm. Who wouldn't be able to fuck you up if you were on AoC rules? I'd say Mexico, but taking the USA and making it a Confederation again kind of drastically alters the balance of power. Heck, you wouldn't even be safe from your own states if you went that route.

Singapore. I say that Singapore would lack the ability to fuck with you, in that case.
I believe this is the only QM discussion of the nuking of Atlanta, which isn't specific, but:

...the Texas Rangers "smuggled" a nuke into the city. The most common warhead in the US nuclear arsenal is the W76, so stealing one of those rather than a B61 already has the advantage of plausibility. Those are ~90kt of yield, and apparently development recently commenced of a low-yield (<10kt) variant, which would fit the narrative of "something plausibly done by the Rangers as opposed to being a Russian op with them as the patsies."

(Remember, while the questers know that Atlanta was Russia by way of Rumford, as far as anyone except Russia knows, Texas Rangers fighting for the Old South did it on their own.)
You made me recheck Lind. 😡

;)

5 kilotons, by word of Lind, specifically aiming to strike the city center alone. Book also claims that it was an airburst detonation. ("...the Rangers got out a message from 'Confederate Army units on the scene' stating that a nuclear weapon had been detonated over Atlanta," emphasis mine.)
I am pretty sure Deseret doesn't exist?






It keeps coming up despite these comments, though, so maybe PtP will throw up their hands and let it exist :p.
Never! :p
Given that @PoptartProdigy has stated that the NCR does a lot of kill missions for Russia (They are a Russian puppet like Victoria, they just don't like it). I suspect any Utah based destruction would come from California. Who is much, much closer.

Also I hate to bring up a discord bit, but it look like it didn't get thread posted previously and, I think gives a lot of insight in understanding in NCR in the context of current post USA.
...I could have sworn we'd copied that over before. I do know I've alluded before in-thread that Cali does kill missions for Russia.

But yes, good to have this refreshed.
 
Canon Omake: A History and Overview of the Resistance Groups of the Pacific Northwest
A/N said:
Posted pre-cleared and with the full approval of @PoptartProdigy and polished up to a "oh well, I feel fine about posting it" level
>: P


Found at FreeOpenSourceInfo.org

A History and Overview of the Resistance Groups of the Pacific Northwest:

The formative event of the current underground resistance ecosystem of Cascadia was The Rainbow Uprising of 2062. Officially lasting from June 7th to October 21st 2062, between June and July 2062 the Cascadian Rainbow Army Offensive seemed on the verge of throwing the forces of Imperial Japan back into the sea and reestablishing an independent nation in the North American Pacific Northwest.

The name "Rainbow Uprising" comes from the fact that each of the various insurrectionary factions welded together by the Cascadian Green Party were designated by a colour term: The far left Red Army, the American/Canadian Revivalist Blue Army, the Green Party's own Green Army, the First Nations' Black and Red Army, and the far right White Army.

The genesis of the 2062 uprising can be traced back twenty years to the destruction of the original Cascadian Republic at Japanese and Victorian hands in 2042.

During the conflict the ruling Green Party leaders were killed after surrender by local Victorian auxiliares…followed quickly into the grave by the pre-selected collaborationist resistance government who were also killed by local Victorian auxiliaries in a case of their self-important Victorian commander going well off the reservation.

This was followed by the local Victorian-recruited auxiliaries, a mix of white supremacist, far right, and Christian extremist groups local to the area establishing themselves as the Cascadian government during the initial stages of the Japanese occupation.

After several weeks it became clear that the east Asian Japanese forces were not going to hand the region over to the newly formed, self-consciously Victorian, "Northwestern Confederation", and in fact, were there to stay. This occupation by a non-white, non-Christian, non-American force enraged the far-right coalition that made up the provisional Northwestern Confederation government and they attempted to organize a revolt.

However, due to a combination of an overwhelming Japanese military presence and the unpopularity of the provisional government with the majority of the Cascadian populace the revolt was over before it began. Most of the leadership was arrested or killed within days of their plot being brought into the open by members of the former Cascadian administrative apparatus.

Afterwards, the Japanese reorganized the region, and in many places relied upon the pre-existing political apparatus that had appeared happy being a junior partner to the late People's Republic of China and seemed just as happy being a junior partner in the Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere.

For the next nearly two decades the puppet Cascadian Green Party government appeared to be efficient, compliant, and enthusiastic local partners to the Japanese Imperial apparatus and they managed to keep resistance across the region under control, barring a few minor flare ups from the far left and far right that were quickly dealt with.

However, behind the scenes, key members of the collaborationist government were engaged in building an anti-Japanese coalition. Moving cautiously, the Regional Action Committee of the Cascadian Green Party methodically built links with all the communities opposed to their Japanese overlords, and were more than prepared to throw uncontrollable extremist groups to the Japanese to preserve their secrecy and allay any Japanese suspicions.

In 2061, the Regional Action Committee was able to massively advance their agenda by making contact with elements of the recently reunified Chinese Republic's intelligence service.

With covert Chinese aid promised, the Regional Action Committee set a planned date of early winter 2062 for their revolt and began contacting the other resistance groups that they had spent years, even up to a decade, cultivating to coordinate their uprising.

Unfortunately for the newly reorganized Regional Action Committee (Now formed into the Rainbow Army Coordination Council or "RACC") Japanese intelligence stumbled across smuggled weapons shipments during routine operations in the Port of Prince Rupert. Alerted by sympathetic elements within the local law enforcement community, the RACC decided to move up the date of their uprising to the very next day, June 7th 2062, before Japanese Naval Intelligence could begin tracing the origins and destinations of several tonnes of surplus Indian and PRC military gear.

Despite the hastily launched nature of the uprising, the initial attacks were highly successful. Complacent Japanese troops and numerous Rainbow Army sympathizers within the local auxiliary forces ensured that the initial Japanese resistance was scattered and badly led.

In almost two weeks of furious combat operations the Rainbow Army had driven the Japanese Army and Navy out of much of the Pacific Northwest, with no intact Japanese formations remaining between the Coastal and Rocky Mountains.

With the Japanese attempting to reorganize their forces on the Vancouver and Haida Gwaii islands and rushing reinforcements to their remaining footholds on the mainland, the Rainbow Army also paused to reorganize their own forces. In early July the Rainbow Army launched a coordinated assault on all remaining Japanese port facilities up and down the coast of Cascadia before the Japanese occupation forces could fully re entrench themselves.

The fiercest fighting of the July Offensive was seen in the disastrous attempts to seize the gulf coast islands from the Japanese Navy via a combination of surprise attacks and local partisan resistance, as well as the ultimately successful attempt to seize Kitimat and Prince Rupert from the Japanese on the north coast during the night of July 31st.

Sadly, while initially a critical tactical and strategic victory, the Battle of Kitimat is better known for the Kitimat Massacre that followed the surrender of its Japanese garrison. Taken prisoner by members of the Victorian-inspired White Army, the Japanese prisoners, their families, and any local persons of east asian descent were killed by the White Army in retaliation for the losses they'd taken during the battle and in an attempt to break the morale of the remaining Japanese forces stationed on the north coast.

During the massacre, elements of the primarily First Nations Black and Red Army and primarily white Blue Army attempted to halt the killings. Their attempts spiraled into the Second Battle of Kitimat.

News of the Massacre and subsequent 2nd Battle of Kitimat spread throughout both the world and the rest of the Rainbow army causing the White and Red Armies, already tenuous allies of convenience, to move to open war across Cascadia in what was the start of the "August Mutinies''. This fighting was followed by other resistance groups of all armies taking the opportunity to settle old scores and even engage in looting and uncoordinated attacks on Japanese lines. Ultimately the Green Army was able to act as peacekeepers and end the infighting, but by the time they were able to put down the last Blue Army Mutineers on August 27th it was too late.

By the time the RACC was able to punish the remaining White Army members that had carried out the Kitimat Massacre and get all of their subordinate armies back in order Japanese Forces had not only managed to resecure Seattle and Vancouver, while the Rainbow Army was paralysed with infighting, but they'd secured permission to stage their forces from the New California Republic, Alaska, and the Arctic Conservationate to put down the barbarous Cascadian Eco-fascists.

To this day the surviving high command of the Rainbow Army maintain that newly reunited China was mere days away from recognizing a free and independent Cascadian Republic when news of the Kitimat Massacre hit and the subsequent August Mutinies ripped through the Rainbow Army's ranks, although no outside sources have ever corroborated the story and the Chinese themselves maintain that they would never interfere in the Japanese Empire's internal affairs.

By October it was all over but the lifetime sentences to forced labour and indentured servitude. The rifts formed by the August Mutinies have never healed and the various resistance forces in Cascadia have been unable to put forward a unified front ever since.

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Since the end of the Rainbow Uprising of 2062 the Imperial Japanese colony of Cascadia has gone through three distinct periods where insurgent and terrorist activity waxed and waned.

The years immediately following the Uprising's failure, from 2063 to 2067, is the first period. These four years mark a period where the remaining resistance movements operated in what is best described as a "defensive crouch"

Most movements rooted in defined areas like the communities founded by far left and far right elements, or First Nations communities, were treated with a very heavy hand by the Japanese occupation forces, who were unafraid of bad public relations due to the often isolated and rural nature of these communities compared to the larger coastal cities. In these places resistance was all but dead with entire generations dead or in work camps.

In the cities the remnants of the Blue and Green armies melted back into the urban population, and while surveillance was heavy, the new Japanese Governor General deliberately lightened the occupational force's hand by the end of 2064 to reduce costs and encourage economic development in the highly educated urban professional workforce.

The most relevant development during that period was the split in the Cascadian Green Party. Both factions had learned that a military uprising was doomed to failure, but one group had decided that that meant that the party should devote itself to collaboration and moderation of the Japanese occupation. The other disagreed.

By the time Cascadia had entered the spring of 2067, the Empire of the Rising Sun had concluded that they had pacified the northwest pacific region.

This was in error, as the second period, from 2067 to 2072 would show. The second period, known as the "Years of Fire", was defined by the bloody rampage of the Cascadian Green Party (Direct Action Committee) in a campaign of terror that extend from the northern interior to the coastal cities, and even to the Home Islands themselves, as the DAC sought to undermine the capability of the Japanese authorities to function and convince them that the occupation was too costly to maintain.

The Direct Action Committee announced their presence with the Bicentennial Bombings of July 1st 2067 with attacks across the former Canadian province of British Columbia. While the Bombings mostly targetted barracks belonging to the Imperial Japanese army, the most shocking bombing was the attack on IJN Zuihō while the carrier was docked at the Japanese fleet base in Prince Rupert. The attack resulted in the death of Admiral Yakahashi Tomo and fifty two IJN other officers and sailors and resulted in Zuihō's recall to Japan where she was laid up in repairs for thirteen months.

The Bicentennial Bombings were followed up by other Direct Action Committee operations across the coastal Cascadian cities including the bombing of JAL flight JL17 over the Pacific, killing all 334 passengers and crew including two sitting members of the Imperial Diet.

The DAC actions inspired the reformation of Red and White army formations in the rural countryside, which primarily launched attacks on work camps and Japanese settlers respectively.

The Years of Fire reached their climax in 2072 with the "Valentine's Day Massacre" on February 14th 2070, when a Green Party Do-Or-Die suicide cell launched an attempted to kill Imperial Princess Miki and her childhood friend Grand Duchess Catherine of Russia during a Russian sponsored environmentalist summet held in Vancouver.

While the Japanese response to Years of Fire had been escalating attempts to use mass surveillance, investigation work, infiltration, and special forces raids to counter the rise in terrorism, the Valentine's Day Massacre, and especially the death of Governor-General Tobei Ozawa during that attack led to a complete shift in strategy.

Abandoning earlier attempts to present a modern, enlightened, administration, the occupation administration banned all local political organizing, rounded up everyone even remotely linked with the Cascadian Green Party, instated curfews, instituted tight censorship controls, and began implementing collective punishment.

By 2072 the measure seemed to have worked, and the insurgent campaigns in both rural and urban Cascadia had petered out, though not after the DAC assassinated Kazuko Matsushima, the provisional Governor-General who had ordered the new measures. Matsuchima was killed by the last operational Do-or-Die cell in an attack on the Esquimalt Naval Base.

The third period, from 2072 to present, has been marked by a shift from boots on the ground to drone networks and data driven targeted killings as the IJA shifts its manpower to the Empire's increasingly uncertain border with the Republic of China. Despite, or perhaps because of, the brutal automated measures implemented by the Japanese occupation, the Cascadian populace remains unsettled.

And more troubling yet for the Japanese administration, news of the outcome of the Great Lakes War has reached Cascadia and the population of the Pacific Northwest again feel that independence is possible.

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The following is a deeper dive into the various "Colour Armies" of the 2062 Uprising, and the most well known of the splinter factions that continued the resistance against the Japanese Occupation.

The Cascadian Red Army:

When the American Federal government collapsed, a murderer's row of horrific far right regimes emerged across the former United states, and minorities of all types fled west to progressive Cascadia and California.

While many of the refugees that fled to Cascadia during the Collapse of US Federal control integrated into existing social structures, a plurality of those newly arrived refugees were politically left wing individuals who had fled from the growing zones of far right control in the Northeast, midwest, and elsewhere. When these refugees arrived in Cascadia they brought with them views on society and economics that led to the founding of hundreds of idealistic new communities, both urban and rural. They were often supported, though not entirely enthusiastically, by successive center-left Cascadian Green Party governments who considered it better to have the left engaged in sustained community building efforts than attempting to tear down what stability they'd maintained.

These communities, often made up of LGBTQ+ and racial minorities, were targeted by the new Christo-Fascist provisional government in the few months between the end of Cascadia and Imperial Japan asserting their full authority.

Afterwards, the Imperial Japanese occupation government, often at the advice of the Green Party collaborationist government, was content to leave these communities unmolested provided that they kept to themselves, made no attempt to openly spread their beliefs, and paid their taxes on time.

Despite this relatively light hand, when the Rainbow Uprisings began, members of these communities joined the various Cascadian Red Armies in disproportionate numbers, and a Red Army company raised from the Kitsault Commune was the first to turn on their nearby White Army compatriots in rage once they received word of the Kitimat Massacres.

When the Imperial Navy smashed the largest surviving concentration of the Cascadian Red Army in the two month long Battle of Portland, tens of thousands of surviving Red Army fighters were taken prisoner and subjected to terrible treatment as virtually the entire force was sentenced to forced labour and indentured servitude in remote resource extraction facilities. Those who arrived alive at these facilities then had to endure the endless "Camp Wars" fought with White Army fighters given similar sentences.

The children and surviving partners and family of the missing Red Army prisoners were never informed of their parents' and partners' fates, perhaps in an attempt to instill uncertainty and fear into their communities.

These communities also saw a much heavier occupational hand after 2062, with Japanese authorities often attempting to brutally and murderously impose their own moral codes on the "degenerate" Red Communes.

This, naturally, led to the rise of more resistance forces. Decentralized and heavily cellular in structure, these groups are often identified by the name "Cascadian Red Army," but just as often individual cells refer to themselves by names like "Cascadia's Orphans," "Cascadia's Daughters," and the like, and usually refer to each other as "Cousins" in reference to their shared experiences growing up in the shadow of a missing generation of parents and caretakers.

In the cities Red Army cells often attack anyone judged to be collaborators, and have a special love of attacking Japanese Army checkpoints. Out in the countryside, the Red Army will occasionally launch attacks on the Japanese forced labour camps. While this is often pitched as attacks on the material basis of the Japanese occupation, as often as not, the Children of Cascadia are looking for any Red Army of '62 members who have somehow survived the brutal decades.

While the Japanese have withdrawn many of their occupation units to garrison closer to the threat of a resurgent China, the void left by Japanese boots on the ground has been filled by drones in the skies. Rare is the day that a rural Red Commune cannot see an armed drone overhead. Watching, waiting.

The Lavender Army:
- During the 2062 Rainbow Uprising Several Red Army units were informally designated as "Lavender Army" units to denote being formed by LGBTQ+ members of the Red Communes.

One of these units, about a company in size, managed to escape the climactic Battle of Portland and escaped into the Pacific Rainforest. While they went to ground during the period directly after the Uprising, once the Years of Fire began, these experienced survivalists began launching attacks against corporate and military work camps, often attempting to liberate the prisoners and involuntarily indentured workers.

Though they survived the Years of Fire and the subsequent crackdowns, the Lavender Army was unable to survive the subsequent turn to heavy drone usage as the Lavender Army was destroyed by drone swarms and special forces attacks over the course of March 2074.

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Cascadian Green Party (Direct Action Committee):

In the aftermath of the 2062 revolt the Cascadian Green Party split, those who were resigned to the inevitability of the new order threw themselves on Japanese mercy and informed on as much of the resistance as possible in an attempt to survive.

Those who decided to fight on went underground and have become the Japanese administration's most dangerous foes.

Having determined that it would be impossible to drive off the Japanese colonisers in a straight up slugging match, the Cascadian Green Party's Direct Action Committee took up the torch of the defunct Regional Action Committee and Rainbow Army Coordination Council and decided that they would make the Japanese administration's occupation as untenable as possible by killing as much of said administration as possible no matter the reprisals.

Brutal Darwinian selection, the locations of remaining weapons caches, and knowledge of which skeletons were in whose closets from the '62 Rainbow uprising helped to mold these diehards into a dedicated and effective insurgent force.

During their nearly fifteen years of open operations the Direct Action Committee has killed: twenty Japanese C-level executives, eight Japanese Generals, two Japanese Cascadian Governor-Generals, one Imperial Minister, one member of the Japanese Imperial Family, and innumerable lower level officials and officers in a concerted campaign of terror that have even occasionally reached the Home Islands themselves.

The Direct Action Committee's most famous attack is probably the "Valentine's Day Massacre", of February 14th 2070, when a Green Party Do-Or-Die suicide cell launched an attack on a Russian sponsored environmental summit held in the Vancouver Convention Center.

During said attack the cell came close to killing both the heir to Russia's Alexander IV, Catherine, and her close friend the Japanese Imperial Princess Miki, and were only stopped at the last moment by the heroic actions of Catherine's special forces bodyguards.

Afterwards the remaining collaborationist Green Party was outlawed in the aftermath of the Valentine's Day Massacre, and the Japanese intelligence apparatus tore through any organization even remotely connected with the Direct Action Committee and reprisals were made with any civilian populations even remotely connected with the Direct Action Committee. For several years the Japanese hoped that they'd finished off the Greens, but instead the remaining cells had gone to ground and have reappeared again in recent months, just as deadly as ever, and especially emboldened by Victoria's defeat in the Great Lakes War.

The Cascadian Green Party (Direct Action Committee) is considered by many as the world's most bloodthirsty and fanatical currently operational terrorist organization. Others consider them anti-Imperialist heroes. As for the Greens themselves, they consider themselves merely determined men and women trying to convince an oppressor that the cost of occupation is too high to bear.

Despite their political aims being fairly average Social Democratic positions and Cascadian independence, a concerted Japanese propaganda campaign has sought to paint the CGP(DAC) as environmentalist extremist anarcho-primitivists dedicated to the destruction of civilization itself and conflating them with the Earth Liberation Alliance. One particular animated pseudo-documentary labelled the Direct Action Committee as "Gaia's Executioners": a term which so amused some cells enough that they unofficially adopted it for use in internal and external communications.

Older Japanese occupation officials still tend to refer to the Direct Action Committee as "The Regionals" and the "Green Army" in memory of the uprising of 2062 and it's lead up.

The Earth Liberation Alliance:
While Alexander IV's heroic (In the ancient Greek sense) efforts to prevent climate change have held off the worst catastrophes, the job is not yet finished and Earth teeters on the precipice of the apocalypse.

The initial Cascadian green party legitimately put in effort to combat climate change, efforts that were sadly undermined by the Japanese occupation. While since then the Japanese have humoured Alexander by using Conservationate pioneered resource extraction techniques, they still treat Cascadia as a disposable resource to be used and not respected.

This has, predictably, caused some anger in Cascadia. In most cases that anger is directed at the Japanese treatment of the populace, but for a handful that anger is directed at the treatment of the planet.

Those people have a tendency to join the Earth Liberation Alliance.

The ELA's precursor was formed from a late 2068 meeting between a Red Commune environmental advocacy group and ex-Green party collaborators, they spent a year as strident, but mostly peaceful group of environmental advocates that eventually grew to about thirty members.

At some point in late 2069 the Japanese occupation forces brought the entire group in for intimidation after they protested in front of a Japanese corporate office in Seattle. One member died "while resisting arrest" and the rest were brutalized to lesser levels before being dumped back on the street.

This caused a small group to break off, as they were now convinced that the Japanese would only understand direct action.

While the initial attacks by the ELA were mistaken as copycat Direct Action Committee attacks, the ELA radically radicalized themselves and their methods, eventually moving on to attack key infrastructure components that the DAC usually avoided as the harm to the civilian populace outweighed the harm to the occupation forces.

These included attacks on bridges in residential areas, on public transit, on manufacturing centers, power plants, and even hospitals.

Initially confusing for the Japanese, the occupation forces eventually captured members of the newly founded second cell of the expanding ELA who explained their newly codified anarcho-primitivist ideology which called for the destruction of everything that enabled industrial society and for humanity to return to a pre-urban state.

When questioned about their relationship to the Green Party Direct Action Committee, one of the ELA fighters responded contemptuously and claimed that they were "Gaia's True Executioners," which made several confusing attacks previously assigned to the DAC suddenly make more sense.

While the terrorist organization of the ELA is still small, their ideology has still inspired people worried about the progress of climate change. By the mid-70s a larger group of a few tens of thousands, calling themselves "Earth's Children", had grown up in Cascadia that at least rhetorically defended the ELA's actions and called for the implementation of an anarcho-primitivist project.


Pacific Northwest Liberation Front:

When Cascadia declared independence from the former United States and Canada with Chinese assistance, a large population of patriotic Americans and Canadians remained. Most managed to accept independence as a temporary measure, and nearly all believed that the west coast would return after some time to repacify and reunify the former United States and Canada.

The remnants of the American Democratic Party and Canadian Liberal parties entered into a permanent temporary arrangement and acted as an active and enthusiastic loyal opposition to the Cascadian Green Party. Their main differences with the Greens being in the matter of preparing for a glorious return to the east.

Sadly, their return was not to be. Spurred on by Russian and Victorian assistance, the Empire of the Rising Sun crossed the pacific and crushed Cascadia.

During the chaotic few months where the "Northwestern Confederacy Provisional Government" believed itself in charge and the Japanese military prepared to take control of Cascadia, the Revivalist parties were driven underground by the near psychotic hatred of the far-right provisional government who considered even the remnants of the Democratic party their traditional enemies.

When the Japanese solidified their control over Cascadia the revivalists settled into unhappy acceptance of the occupation, not openly resisting, but putting their hopes into liberation by the Pacific Republic until they too fell to domination from across the ocean.

The remaining party apparatuses and business community was frozen out by the new Japanese overlords but maintained contact with each other and when some members were contacted by the Green party conspirators, they pledged their full support to any uprising.

The "Blue Army", (So named as the traditional colour of American Federal control) was not as fanatical as the Red and White armies, didn't have the local knowledge of the Black and Red army, and didn't have the inside track of the Green Army, but the Blue army was able to bring the resources of the local patriotic business establishment and revivalist sentiment to the cause of Cascadian independence -including several former American military units that had gone to ground after the destruction of the Pacific Republic.

The Blue Army didn't particularly distinguish itself during the Rainbow Uprising, negatively or positively, and are best known for attempting to stop the Kitimat Massacre and winning the Second Battle of Kitimat…as well as for sections of the Blue Army to be the last to return to order during the August Mutinies.

After the August Mutinies ended and the Imperial Japanese reconquest began in earnest the Blue Army melted back into the populace, deciding to forgo the suicidal resistance undertaken by the rest of the Rainbow Armies.

While this retreat has often been considered cowardice by the other resistance groups, the Blue Leadership maintains that it was a strategic consideration made to preserve the fighting power and resources of the revivalist cause. Even today the Blue Army is probably the most intact out of the forces that participated in the '62 uprising, with entire cells and companies simply vanishing into the civilian populace as the Japanese concentrated on the other resistance forces.

Despite the increasing brutality of the Japanese occupation, the bulk of the revivalist cause focuses on harbouring their resources for when the time is right. And with the recent revivalist victory in the Great Lakes War perhaps that time is fast approaching...

The Matchstick Men

"Matchstick men" is an unofficial term for loosely connected groups of revivalist youths who take out their frustrations with the repression of the Japanese Occupation by lighting Japanese businesses, and businessmen, on fire.

So far they've managed to survive by avoiding military targets and usage of digital techniques to avoid surveillance, which has led the Japanese occupation forces to suspect that the Matchstick Men are drawn from the ranks of Cascadia's tech industry.

The Grits
Though the descendants of the Blue Army have focused on building up their resources, this by no means indicates that the descendants of the Blue Army are idle. Many revivalist groups are known for engaging in bank robbing, theft, and kidnapping for profit.

These groups are known as "Grits", which started as a backhanded reference to the Blue origin in the Canadian Liberal party due to a complicated and obscure train of references and obsfuscations. But the term has been adopted because these latter-day Robin Hoods see themselves as the hardworking frontline of the Blue cause.

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American Patriotic Christian Army:
(AKA: "Cascadian White Army", "The 14th Division", "Sons of Liberty (Pacific)")

Before the Collapse, the Pacific Northwest harboured a large white supremacist and far right presence that often fought with the more well known far left presence in Oregon and Washington state. Though far right sentiment existed across British Columbia's rural areas as well.

When the Collapse began, the far right presence in the northeast consolidated into the Northern Confederacy, and the midwest fell under the control of openly Nazi-inspired groups, the far right of the PNW consolidated along similar lines as the Northern Confederation of Kraft and Rumford.

They were prevented from repeating Victoria's dark miracle by the entire Pacific Northwest splitting off and declaring itself Cascadia under a center left social democratic government with the backing of the People's Republic of China.

Despite this setback the far right continued to organize furiously along Victorian lines, and often with Victorian guidance and encouragement. Both groups dreamed of a Northwest Confederacy to match the Northern Confederation, two great White and Christian Brothers splitting the former US between them.

Suffice it to say that when they finally got their shot at power after Japan collapsed Cascadia, the Pacific Victorians proceeded to alienate every other group in the region and then brought the Japanese down on themselves as well when they refused to be a group of cooperative collaborators to Japan as Victoria had been for Russia.

Having been booted from power the far right stewed for nearly two decades, many of their members committing hate crimes against their neighbours, especially the more remote Red Communes who the Japanese occupation officials studiously neglected outside of tax and corvee labour collection.

However, due to their hatred of the east asian Japanese and heavy armament, in the lead up to the Rainbow Uprising of 2062 the more prominent far right organizations were contacted by the RACC and invited to join the general uprising.

While the soon to be White Army hated the other Armies, they hated the Japanese more, and considered that they would be able to take power again once the Japanese were gone and finally take their place as the "Pacific Victoria"

When the uprising came the White Army fought with viciousness against the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy. Too much viciousness as it would turn out. It was a White Army unit out of Prince George that conducted the Kitimat Massacre and triggered the August Mutinies that doomed the Rainbow Uprising.

Despite this, the White Army refused to accept defeat, believing until the last that the Victorian army would arrive to save their White Christian brothers, even informally calling the remaining White Army the "14th Division" -a reference to the 12 Divisions of the Victorian Regular Army.

In the aftermath, many captured White Army fighters were subject to the same treatment as captured Red Army fighters, and the "Camp Wars" between Red and White Army soldiers sentenced to a life of hard labour and indentured servitude are almost legendary in prisoner and Japanese military circles (and the focus of at least one animated pseudo-documentary).

Throughout the 60s, Japanese Army units heavily patrolled the communities that contributed to the White Army, and their high handed and brutal behavior enraged the locals who continually turned to White Army splinter groups who then carried out reprisal and hit and run attacks on the patrols. Eventually the Japanese withdrew their troops at the end of the 60s when the border with a revanchist China became too uncertain, and the patrols were replaced with Drones programmed to hunt down and kill terrorists based on facial recognition software and collateral damage be damned.

In the current day, the remaining far right leaders still marshal their power away from the ever watchful drones, planning for their next attempt to seize control of Cascadia. These bitter old men still hold out hope for Victoria's arrival, considering the news of the Great Lakes War to merely be (((Media))) propaganda.

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Sacred Lands Defence Group:
(AKA: "Cascadian Black and Red Army")

The material status of First Nations peoples didn't change that much under independent Cascadia's rule. But things didn't get worse as they had in so many other places. So that was nice.

When Cascadia fell, the only thing protecting them from the provisional Northwestern Confederacy was that they were farther away than the "liberals, communists, pagans, and freaks" closer to home. So when the Japanese formally annexed Cascadia into the Co-Prosperity Sphere it was almost a relief compared to what the Victorian-inspired far right government had been planning.

But the First Nations peoples also knew what being colonial subjects meant, and the Japanese were clearly here to rule colonial subjects. Resistance to the Japanese occupation started small. Small acts of sabotage, creative interpretations of instructions.

They stayed there for a long time, as most First Nations groups simply didn't have the power or numbers to resist Japanese forces for long.

Instead some communities turned to smuggling people and possessions into and out of Cascadia, especially via the northern routes to first the rump Canadian state and then the growing Arctic Conservationate. This underground railroad brought these organizations to the attention of the RACC as they prepared for the Rainbow Uprisings.

While not all First Nations groups joined in the Uprisings, those that did were called the "Black and Red" armies after the traditional style patches worn by the coastal fighters. Though these Armies generally banded together under the flag of the Sacred Lands Defence Group and secured their own territories in anticipation of Red, Blue, Green, and White relief.

Especially notable are the Black and Red Army partisan units that attacked the regrouping Japanese units reforming on the Vancouver and Haida Gwaii Islands and helping to prevent their return to the mainland.

White the Black and Red Army did initially have some scattered issues with the White Army, local Black and Red Partisans from Kitimat itself were present at the Kitimat Massacre and helped the Blue Army in their attempts to prevent the atrocity. In the chaos of the August Mutinies that followed the local Black and Red Army groups merely returned to securing their own lands and ignored instructions from the Rainbow Army High Command.

When the Japanese returned, the Black and Red Armies fought on, and in many cases evacuated their communities to prevent Japanese reprisals, many times fleeing across the border to Russian aligned territory in Alaska, the Conservationate, and California in an attempt to halt Japanese pursuit. The resulting refugee crisis annoyed Alexander IV, and embarrassed Imperial Japan.

Eventually, as the revolt wound down, the Japanese promised that they would not engage in collective punishment if the Black and Red Army leaders would hand themselves over for punishment.

They did so, and the Japanese mostly kept their word. Though the burden of corvee labour tends to fall heavier on First Nations communities than other populations, perhaps in memory of the Japanese embarrassment.

The memory of the Black and Red Army has never been forgotten, and the First Nations Communities of Cascadia wait for the right opportunity to again attempt to assert their sovereignty against a brutal colonial apparatus. And the small acts of rebellion continue.
 
Not unless you'd like to be clowned on by...

...hm. Who wouldn't be able to fuck you up if you were on AoC rules? I'd say Mexico, but taking the USA and making it a Confederation again kind of drastically alters the balance of power. Heck, you wouldn't even be safe from your own states if you went that route.

Singapore. I say that Singapore would lack the ability to fuck with you, in that case.
Obviously that was a joke, but I imagine the fight between federal centralization vs. state's rights will take up right where it left off, just pushed back two centuries of progress from where we are today.
To this day the surviving high command of the Rainbow Army maintain that newly reunited China was mere days away from recognizing a free and independent Cascadian Republic when news of the Kitimat Massacre hit and the subsequent August Mutinies ripped through the Rainbow Army's ranks, although no outside sources have ever corroborated the story and the Chinese themselves maintain that they would never interfere in the Japanese Empire's internal affairs.
A stirring condemnation by Akuz on why you should never trust righties and they can't do anything!

On a serious note, how actually important was the extreme right-wing's contributions to the revolt's early success, or were they purely a liability?
 
Obviously that was a joke, but I imagine the fight between federal centralization vs. state's rights will take up right where it left off, just pushed back two centuries of progress from where we are today.

A stirring condemnation by Akuz on why you should never trust righties and they can't do anything!

On a serious note, how actually important was the extreme right-wing's contributions to the revolt's early success, or were they purely a liability?

They contributed just fine as more pressure, and contributed plenty of trained and experienced cadres to the effort. They were after all key in the initial fall of Cascadia back when they thought they were going to be Victoria 2: Pacific Boogaloo.

But it would also be dangerous to just have an armed and organized faction out there that you have no control or influence over. The Greens basically had to invite them in. Better to have them inside the tent pissing out, than out pissing in, as it were.

And until Kitimat the Greens *had* basically managed to keep the various White Army units from oops doing war crimes. But the intensity of the fighting at Kitimat flipped the "Victorian Training" switch in their commander's head and he decided to do a Full Rumford to crush Japanese moral forever. (We're talking about people who IRL read Victoria and nod their heads sagly, much less in universe where it appears to work) Afterwards the High Command were basically committed to dealing with it but some Red Army units went "We dont trust that you'll be able to actually bring them to justice" and started settling scores if their own. Which is the another key event that triggered the August Mutinies.

Anyway tl: dr Blame Victoria >: P
 
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On a serious note, how actually important was the extreme right-wing's contributions to the revolt's early success, or were they purely a liability?
Feel like the other armies wouldn't have worked together with them if they hadn't done something helpful prior to the Massacre. And I'm sceptical that they would have been the only ones acting on their own vendettas on the IJA during the conflict.
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You made me recheck Lind. 😡

;)

5 kilotons, by word of Lind, specifically aiming to strike the city center alone. Book also claims that it was an airburst detonation. ("...the Rangers got out a message from 'Confederate Army units on the scene' stating that a nuclear weapon had been detonated over Atlanta," emphasis mine.)
Neat; 5kt airburst would line up well with the new W76-2 low-yield warhead being rolled out.
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They contributed just fine as more pressure, and contributed plenty of trained and experienced cadres to the effort. They were after all key in the initial fall of Cascadia back when they thought they were going to be Victoria 2: Pacific Boogaloo.

But it would also be dangerous to just have an armed and organized faction out there that you have no control or influence over. The Greens basically had to invite them in. Better to have them inside the tent pissing out, than out pissing in, as it were.

And until Kitimat the Greens *had* basically managed to keep the various White Army units from oops doing war crimes. But the intensity of the fighting at Kitimat flipped the "Victorian Training" switch in their commander's head and he decided to do a Full Rumford to crush Japanese moral forever. (We're talking about people who IRL read Victoria and nod their heads sagly, much less in universe where it appears to work) Afterwards the High Command were basically committed to dealing with it but some Red Army units went "We dont trust that you'll be able to actually bring them to justice" and started settling scores. Which is the another key event that triggered the August Mutinies.

Anyway tl: dr Blame Victoria >: P
So they served a useful role as hatchetmen and manpower, but Victoria's influence proved as poisonous as ever. Usually, you'd have had them split between hardcore patriots, religious fundamentalists, actual fascists, etc. Now, the Right's typically as good at papering over these differences as the Left can't for theirs (see the Spanish Civil War for the quisisential example) but Victoria's backing pushed this even further and added an extra level of irrationality/overconfidence.

While the White's are an easy target to blame for the potentially near-failure, this really serves as more of an excellent illustration as to why uncoordinated broad coalition rebellions don't really work.
 
So they served a useful role as hatchetmen and manpower, but Victoria's influence proved as poisonous as ever. Usually, you'd have had them split between hardcore patriots, religious fundamentalists, actual fascists, etc. Now, the Right's typically as good at papering over these differences as the Left can't for theirs (see the Spanish Civil War for the quisisential example) but Victoria's backing pushed this even further and added an extra level of irrationality/overconfidence.

While the White's are an easy target to blame for the potentially near-failure, this really serves as more of an excellent illustration as to why uncoordinated broad coalition rebellions don't really work.

Suffice it to say I expect that Sister Cali has learned a great deal from the '62 revolt.
 
You made me recheck Lind. 😡

;)
5 kilotons, by word of Lind, specifically aiming to strike the city center alone. Book also claims that it was an airburst detonation. ("...the Rangers got out a message from 'Confederate Army units on the scene' stating that a nuclear weapon had been detonated over Atlanta," emphasis mine.)
*checks around*
Ah. Allegedly they used an Arado 234 to drop the nuke. Not a USAF plane, or even an improvised civilian cargo plane, but a Luftwaffe plane from WW2.Just in case you had any further doubts about the author's sympathies.

(Where did he even FIND a working Arado? The last surviving example is a museum piece at the Smithsonian!)

Anyway, according to NUKEMAP, a 5 kiloton airburst on the black majority black neighborhoods of Grove Park and Center Hill Atlanta(>90% black) would kill 2500 people and injure another 10,000. Not counting additional casualties from fires or collapsed buildings.
Airburst means its too high for significant local fallout.
A History and Overview of the Resistance Groups of the Pacific Northwest:
Nice work filling in the upper Western seaboard. Japanese Americans must have it bad.
A little surprised the Imperial Japanese didn't ship in Filipinos from the conquered Phillipines as well to use as local labor. It fits very well into divide and conquer tactics, especially if they are housed in areas where white supremacist insurgents are active.

The whole part about Native American insurgent leaders surrendering themselves sounds frankly incredible though.
Noone trusts occupiers, especially not occupiers where demonstrators have a history of dying in custody.
And the Japanese taking their word for it, or keeping their word is even more incredible.

Broke my SoD.
Obviously that was a joke, but I imagine the fight between federal centralization vs. state's rights will take up right where it left off, just pushed back two centuries of progress from where we are today.
Either it's soluble or it's not.
There is a significant current of Revivalism to ride on, so it's not the same heavy lift as compared to getting the nations of Europe to give power to a transnational legislative body.

The current US legislative structure that gives undue power to rural, low population states though? Wont survive.
 
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*checks around*
Ah. Allegedly they used an Arado 234 to drop the nuke. Not a USAF plane, or even an improvised civilian cargo plane, but a Luftwaffe plane from WW2.Just in case you had any further doubts about the author's sympathies.

(Where did he even FIND a working Arado? The last surviving example is a museum piece at the Smithsonian!)

Anyway, according to NUKEMAP, a 5 kiloton airburst on the black majority black neighborhoods of Grove Park and Center Hill Atlanta would kill 2500 people and injure another 10,000.
Airburst means its too high for significant local fallout.

Nice work filling in the upper Western seaboard.
A little surprised the Imperial Japanese didn't ship in Filipinos from the conquered Phillipines as well to use as local labor. It fits very well into divide and conquer tactics, especially if they are housed in areas where white supremacist insurgents are active.

I expect they probably do, this particular article wasnt particularily concerned with the operational specifics of the Japanese occupation itself.
 
I expect they probably do, this particular article wasnt particularily concerned with the operational specifics of the Japanese occupation itself.
Fair enough.
I wonder how much of Canada's population remains in British Columbia. Or if the Japanese tried colonization.
By 2072 the measure seemed to have worked, and the insurgent campaigns in both rural and urban Cascadia had petered out, though not after the DAC assassinated Kazuko Matsushima, the provisional Governor-General who had ordered the new measures. Matsuchima was killed by the last operational Do-or-Die cell in an attack on the Esquimalt Naval Base.
Once Cali break loose, this place becomes rapidly untenable for the IJN, by the way.
 
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