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Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]

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[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

We need the additional AP more than the shiny loot.

Additionally, I prefer to preserve those treasures. What use is the legitimacy if we cannot preserve the items.

Our country is better served by giving our people the ability for a good and fruitful life, than by pining after the baubles of the past.
 
Professor Vesca said:
Honestly though?

The CFLP was right.

We dove straight in and put the people of Buffalo in the crosshairs when we werent in a position to actually protect them from Victorian retribution. Imagine what would have happened if they hadn't voted to stay?

It worked, this time, but I would like to be more methodical in our decisions in the future. That being said, this outcome is beyond my wildest dreams.
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Whatever would have happened to Buffalo would not have been our fault. Seriously, don't let Victoria gaslight you into feeling guilty for their atrocities. We are not responsible for them being fucking monsters.
 
clockworkchaos said:
Why doesn't selling get us Legitimacy as well? There is nothing more 'murican than selling shit for cash. Why do you hate capitalism?


Also, my big take away is that many, we would have saved ourselves so much trouble if we had had a better intelligence network. Granted, I don't blame us, the high-malus start has left us with a strong position and we've cleared away our malus's, but defiantly something I want to get on soon. Not least of which because I want to know when Victoria is going to break this treaty.
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We had intelligence. The mass conscription just ate it. And our agents.
 
Congrats to all planners and voters. This was a victory made even sweeter by good decisions rather than pure RNG.

[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

The Buffalo Remainers story is a tragedy and the Victorian boardcast is perfect comedy. I hope the best for them and I hope, with all that happened, when we returns they will stand aside.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

We are already relying on FCNY aid to protect our one artifact.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.
 
Chronic said:
Whatever would have happened to Buffalo would not have been our fault. Seriously, don't let Victoria gaslight you into feeling guilty for their atrocities. We are not responsible for them being fucking monsters.
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No, it would have been entirely Victoria's doing, you are right.

But if we had not invaded, Buffalo's position would not have gotten any worse then it already was. Our actions put them into a position where Victoria was howling for their heads over the radio. While Victoria's actions are our own, we still need to recognize the hand we played in placing Buffalo in the position that we did, and the reasons why we did it.
 
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EWilanO said:
Our country is better served by giving our people the ability for a good and fruitful life, than by pining after the baubles of the past.
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The baubles of the past have values in a diplomatic conference... which we're going to attend next update. And doing well there will end up giving us more resources so there's that. Don't let the allure of AP distract from the hidden gains.
 
clockworkchaos said:
Why doesn't selling get us Legitimacy as well? There is nothing more 'murican than selling shit for cash. Why do you hate capitalism?
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Presumably because it's not uniquely 'murican.

[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy

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Whew, that went extremely well despite the roll. And, my approach to treaty making (that any treaty should be DC 90 to start) pays off nicely, though not quite in a way I predicted. Get rekt, Defeatia!

... actually, I wonder, what would have been the implications of Buffalo residents being middlingly or overwhelmingly pro-leave? Just getting more people out of Victoria? Victoria denouncing the plebiscite as forced at gunpoint? I realize that Poptart might not want to answer what-ifs, but does someone want to try and theorize? It feels weird that rolling so badly seemed to have no negative consequences on us whatsoever.
 
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tapkomet said:
Presumably because it's not uniquely 'murican.

[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy

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Whew, that went extremely well despite the roll. And, my approach to treaty making (that any treaty should be DC 90 to start) pays off nicely, though not quite in a way I predicted. Get rekt, Defeatia!

... actually, I wonder, what would have been the implications of Buffalo residents being middlingly or overwhelmingly pro-leave? Just getting more people out of Victoria? Victoria denouncing the plebiscite as forced at gunpoint? I realize that Poptart might not want to answer what-ifs, but does someone want to try and theorize? It feels weird that rolling so badly seemed to have no negative consequences on us whatsoever.
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Mass invasion?


Also the vics were running on empty. Our biggest enemy was our own understanding of the situation.
 
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buli-buli said:
We are already relying on FCNY aid to protect our one artifact.
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Plus in the future we will have more chances to gain legitimacy. Like say, taking control of whats left of Washington DC.

Not to mention in the long term we will become one nation with various successor states like FCNY and the NCR anyways.

Though the NCR will likely be the big boy, whatever we can gain will allow us leverage in the future negotiation and referendum for reunification if we get that far.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
[x] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.
 
Professor Vesca said:
No, it would have been entirely Victoria's doing, you are right.

But if we had not invaded, Buffalo's position would not have gotten any worse then it already was. Our actions put them into a position where Victoria was howling for their heads over the radio.
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The fact that Victoria decided to howl for their head over radio is not our fault. Victoria is the one who chooses to do these sort of things. These sorts of massacres is how they destroyed the United States. They do it because it has always worked for them. If we let it affect us, we fight an uphill battle, and they will continue to do so. We need to show them that hurting their own people does not affect us. That they can't defeat us morally by murdering innocent people.
 
Update: We are not, in fact, currently at -2 Legitimacy. We're at 0. The Status Screen does not take into account our +2 from our decision regarding the Declaration of Independence wherein the Free City of NY recognized us as the legitimate government of our constituents. I confirmed this with the QM.

So keeping artifacts would bring us to 5, selling the artifacts would keep us at 0 and push FCNY to 14.
 
Chronic said:
The fact that Victoria decided to howl for their head over radio is not our fault. Victoria is the one who chooses to do these sort of things. These sorts of massacres is how they destroyed the United States. They do it because it has always worked for them. If we let it affect us, we fight an uphill battle, and they will continue to do so. We need to show them that hurting their own people does not affect us. That they can't defeat us morally by murdering innocent people.
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My stance is Vicks gonna Vick, but at the same time offering someone protection when oyu know you can't follow through in the long run is a dick move.
 
Chronic said:
The fact that Victoria decided to howl for their head over radio is not our fault. Victoria is the one who chooses to do these sort of things. These sorts of massacres is how they destroyed the United States. They do it because it has always worked for them. If we let it affect us, we fight an uphill battle, and they will continue to do so. We need to show them that hurting their own people does not affect us. That they can't defeat us morally by murdering innocent people.
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It does affect us. But it cannot stop us from acting to prevent it happening. There is a difference.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy

Changing my vote. With the Midwest Conference coming up we might have better payoff from getting more legitimacy.

We are at 0 plus an unknown amount we gain from trashing Victoria. Putting a 5 increase on it should increase our legitimacy as a successor state enough to start pulling in various little statelets around us into joining the Commonwealth.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
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