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[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy

I do fancy being a reborn, improved US.
 
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[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

I am so extremely hungry for actions, my friends.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.

I think I'd rather keep the artifacts. 2 AP is tempting, but I think that over the long haul having a ready source of legitimacy is worth more to us.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
hey do we know if we sell the artifacts, we can still become the New United States through other means?
 
Canon Omake: Miriam Weber's Peace Address
Miriam Webber's Peace Address to the Congress of the Commonwealth of Free Cities, December 18

I have travelled around the Commonwealth. I have spoken to refugees from across the continent. Labourers from Oklahoma. A fisherman from Miami. A lumberjack from the Japanese states - never did tell me which one.

And everyone I speak to, the sentiment is the same.

They are thankful, that our people give so generously. That our people offer food and board and work so readily.

But they grow tired of us, Congress, not giving them the same thought. They grow tired of being told to wait just a little longer, suffer just a short time more.

They are furious that the people of Detroit and Toledo have jumped the queue, become citizens at a time not a single refugee is eligible to do the same. They are outraged, that the hypocritical fear-mongering of the traitor Sperling worked and still works, that there are those who refuse to acknowledge that these people are not the assassins, spies or saboteurs that Sperling would have us fear.

They will not tolerate being pushed back forever. If we do not address this respectfully, responsibly, and comprehensively - if we do not pass the Refugee Act - then there will be violence.

But the Refugee Crisis is not the only crisis we face.

The Commonwealth is still grasped by food insecurity. The government policy of simply handing out equipment and subsidies and loans to farmers is insufficient. We need a coordinated, comprehensive, government-led overhaul of the agricultural sector, or we will continue to be reliant on the goodwill of our neighbours to feed our own citizens.

The slow progress of agricultural reforms is indicative of another problem - we are some 15 to 20 million people.

How many exactly? It's hard to say, because not every constituent that made up the founding of the Commonwealth held censuses. We haven't held one in the two years we've been a true government. At no point in the life of this government have we ever had a firm idea of how many people we govern.

Frankly, those who fear Sperling's phantom invaders should be scrambling all over themselves to get a census out, yet there never seems quite enough support for that to work out.

Why have we not yet resolved the refugee crisis? Why have we not yet resolved the food crisis? Why have we not yet held a census?

Because the Johnson Administration would rather spend considerable time, and considerable resources, stomping on the neck of an enemy we have already beaten!

We fought to defend Detroit, and we did so. We had the chance for peace - it was even the Victorians who instigated the peace talks. Yet we could not reach peace deal, and so the war not stop at Detroit.

Instead we fought to seize the Welland Canal. Our defence ministry insisted that this would bring the Victorians back to the table, a threat that could not be ignored.

And the Victorians ignored it. So we did not reach a peace deal, and the war did not stop at the Canal.

So we marched on Buffalo - and the citizens there have had family killed, lives upended, homes destroyed, because of it. This, we were told, would surely bring Victoria back to the negotiation table.

Well, where are they? How much further are we going to overextend, before we admit that we have gone further than we should have already?

We cannot continue to waste time, to waste resources, to draw away the focus of this administration with this pointless bloodshed!

I know that none of us really like our neighbour, but are we really so determined to burn their house down that we ignore our own home falling apart behind us?

I don't want to be mistaken for some kind of sympathiser, or apologist, but we have achieved everything we set out to achieve in this war and more.

Detroit is safe, and it has been brought into the fold. Victoria is maimed, and what's left of its army is busy fighting amongst itself.

There is no need for us to keep pushing. We lack the strength to destroy Victoria completely, and there is little point pretending otherwise.

Everything since the Battle of Detroit has been unnecessary bloodshed, a failure of this administration to achieve a reasonable peace deal with Victoria, despite their uncharacteristic willingness to play ball.

It is clear that this administration has lost sight of what we first set out to achieve. It has lost sight of all the problems pushed to the wayside to allow this campaign to continue. And if this administration cannot bring us back to the peace negotiations and end this farce, so that we can turn our attention, our time, and our resources, to the places they are truly needed, then it has lost my support.

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Late because I didn't want to be seen as dumping fuel on the prior debate, but this is (obv) set prior to the latest update
 
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[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy
 
And now Victoria suffers a horrifying famine. Not a happy season, even with our victory.

[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

Legitimacy is nice, but I think we're doing pretty well there.
 
[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.
 
you guys do know that even if we sell the artifacts we can still become the New United States through other means?
Yes, we know, but if we choose to sell the artifacts, it's going to take longer and be slightly harder. Having these artifacts means that people will take us more seriously as a potential successor state.

People taking us seriously as the US reborn is going to be useful in diplomacy. Especially when trying to incorporate our neighbors peacefully or negotiate passage down the Mississippi.
 
[X] Politely decline. You'd rather hold onto the artifacts, either for the symbolic value or for later resale. Gain +5 Legitimacy.
 
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[X] Agreed. Sell the artifacts from the treaty directly to FCNY, along with the attendant Legitimacy boost. Gain +2 free AP for this upcoming turn.

We need AP like water in a desert.
 
hey do we know if we sell the artifacts, we can still become the New United States through other means?
I believe the last thing Poptart said on the subject was that "a successor state at 25 Legitimacy is universally recognized as the United States reborn." Currently, FCNY is at I think +9, so acquiring the +5 from this would bring them to 14, whereas we're at -2 and +5 would take us to +3.

EDIT: This is wrong, see my post here: Victoria Falls: A Post-Collapse American Nation Quest [Down With Victoria!]
 
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