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A very direct-action-focused group, I see. Fitting enough for your needs. While I cannot canonize omakes like this at this point, I will take it on board if I am in need of inspiration further down the line. Thanks!

And in the meantime, fuck it! I have a working computer for like a day. I'm writing shit.

I would like at this time to call for volunteer translators in German, Japanese, and Russian. Native speakers strongly preferred.
Ohh just wait til you see the r&d requests
 
... Why is QTesseract's post at the top of every page?

I mean, it's good stuff, but why is it at the top of every page?
 
Oh right vote closed yeah.

Inserted tally.

A fairly decisive result.

[x][NEWS] Spread the word as far as it will go. Inform the world that you lived up to your promises. Ensure that everybody know that you beat Victoria. See if that shakes something loose from this embargo, and or perhaps motivates those foreign observers and spies to make recommendations at home.

[X][ISLANDS] Siege. Under constant, focused, withering artillery bombardment from naval and shore-based batteries, on soft, level ground, and with no real entrenching gear, the islands will be unable to hold out even if given an untouched supply line by air. Erode them over weeks of artillery bombardment, landing only once all activity has either ceased or been thoroughly suppressed.

Also, now that it's on a threadmark, I'm looking for German and Japanese translators for the upcoming update! Native speakers preferred, non-native if no native speakers are available. I already found a Russian translator.
Adhoc vote count started by PoptartProdigy on Sep 10, 2019 at 12:00 AM, finished with 474 posts and 51 votes.
 
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What are your thoughts on them basically driving the tank up to a pre-constructed berm and parking it there as coastal artillery?

Because that seems to be what they did- not even remotely trying to drive them around as a mobile armored vehicle.
You could, but they wouldn't last all that long (the firing computer doesn't like humidity) and a stationary 120mm is pretty meh for coastal artillery. The whole power and point of an M1's gun is that it is able to accurately strike while on the move. Making it sit stil is a huge waste. And it's only meant to fire out a few km, after all.
Stay hydrated, and stay safe.
I am drinking so much water. This is a arty BN, so outgoing fire is loud as hell, too.
 
Native German Speaker here(ironically also Dresden, because the world is tiny and runs on coincidences). I would love to help out with translation.
 
Guys. All together now




Join the Commonwealth, the union of states, the union of labour, the union of freedom loving AMERICANS everywhere!

We beaten back the fascists Victorians. Those who took. Those who enslaved. They who once took down the glorious United States of America.



Freedom calls. Will you answer ?


(It's... Annoying that this ancient symbol for unity is now better represented as Chicago cutting the evil snake into pieces. Needs some renaming of the states of course. )
 
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Sorry for the delay in reply. I spent the last week in transit to Iraq, and have only just gotten some free time to reply. Greetings from Qayyarah West Airbase. We got rocketed yesterday. It was 'fun'.

No worries, mate, ever. RL concerns should always come before SV, especially in matters of life and death, stay safe and let us know if you ever need anything from us.

And in the meantime, fuck it! I have a working computer for like a day. I'm writing shit.

Are you borrowing a friend's? Library computer? The computer came back for repairs but they decided more work needed to be done?
 
@PoptartProdigy
From the Coiler reread:
"Resolved, that it shall be unlawful in the Northern Confederation to use any technology not in common usage in the year 1930.
That meant radio was legal, but not television. Electric cars and trucks were all right, but only with lead-acid batteries and that made them short range forms of transportation. The price of oil still made gas cars unaffordable. No computers, DVDs, Xerox machines, cell phones, sat phones, none of that witches' brew of technologies that had so undermined the old ways of living. An exception was made for the armed forces and for medical technologies, but nothing else.
There's the loophole. And it's a broad one.
And because it was allegedly not a law, but a pledge that is allegedly communally enforced, so they don't even have to change a formal law. Just the propaganda. New Model Army, coming right up.

PS
For many people, it would be all too easy to slide back down into the modern age. They'd buy one of those nice, new electric cars that gave 300 miles on a full battery and recharged in 15 minutes. That would free them from their town, their local merchants, and their neighbors.
The Retro folks set a goal: they wanted a majority of the population to take the pledge by Thanksgiving. Dr. Faust struck back with all he had. The mails were stuffed with glitzy brochures pushing TVs and computers. Toyota offered its fast, sleek, long-range electric cars at a loss, priced lower than a decent wagon and a pair of Percherons. Men in raincoats lurked outside schools, offering children violent video games for free.
Working electric cars that travelled 300 miles on a single charge and recharged in 15 minutes.
That's Tesla Model S-range and performance, with faster charging times, at the cost of a Toyota.

That's a significant jump in technological capabilities over the modern day.
 
There are currently lab producible batteries that are able to charge that fast.

Current 0 to 100 takes a little an hour and 15 mins. And usually, you only want to go to 80%, and we can do that in 40 mins right now.
 
This would be what? 2030s-2040s? I have no problem believing electric cars would exist that could do that by then.

Also I note that his memoirs are probably tangentally connected to reality, meaning that the economy was still somewhat functional even then. It really took them a lot of time and effort, even after the collapse, to reduce the USA to where it is in game today.
 
In fairness that assumes it's not bullshit, and considering this is the ol' Rumsford memoirs we can't take so much as a word of it as truth. There probably are better than modern day electric cars, but how much better we can't say.
But there has to be some truth to build on, or we might as well ignore the entire thing.
If electric cars are being offered with that sort of range to working class people, then the cars have to be both affordable and rechargeable.
Because businesses like Toyota do not become successful by giving stuff away.

If oil remains relatively expensive, it's because the numbnuts who went full retroculture don't have anything to buy oil with, as their currency crashed.
At least not until Alexander decided to play sugar daddy and help them steal Labrador and Newfoundland.
Wait, that's seriously a line in the book?
...I swear you could change, like, a dozen passages in the book and you'd swear it was satire.
Oh yes.
Wait till you hear about the Azanian female colonel who went lesbian because she was embittered after a bad relationship, and was convinced of the errors of her ways after a good dicking meeting the right man. Upon which she betrayed Azania and disabled their weapons so the heros could win.

Or the suave, courtly New England Nazi who was a rival and who, after being defeated, moved to Wisconsin and sent a postcard.
I'm assuming he or his successors are among those Sara Johnson and the Iron Brigade pushed into their own ovens.
 
But there has to be some truth to build on, or we might as well ignore the entire thing.
If electric cars are being offered with that sort of range to working class people, then the cars have to be both affordable and rechargeable.
Because businesses like Toyota do not become successful by giving stuff away.

If oil remains relatively expensive, it's because the numbnuts who went full retroculture don't have anything to buy oil with, as their currency crashed.
At least not until Alexander decided to play sugar daddy and help them steal Labrador and Newfoundland.

Oh yes.
Wait till you hear about the Azanian female colonel who went lesbian because she was embittered after a bad relationship, and was convinced of the errors of her ways after a good dicking meeting the right man. Upon which she betrayed Azania and disabled their weapons so the heros could win.

Or the suave, courtly New England Nazi who was a rival and who, after being defeated, moved to Wisconsin and sent a postcard.
I'm assuming he or his successors are among those Sara Johnson and the Iron Brigade pushed into their own ovens.
Well of course the Nazi was a gentleman. Their genocide was so civilized don't you know. What with its industrial methods and efficiency. And it was planned out!
Not like the how the Rwandans just directed machete wielding mobs over the radio or something.

...now I feel gross.:sour:
 
What do I want out of this?
Essentially Uncompromisable:
-At minimum, universal food and education; universal income well above subsistence level, as that becomes relevant and possible. We can't afford to put everyone through high level universities in the way that the RL!US could but doesn't, but that doesn't mean that the education stops being important or that that state of affairs need continue any further than necessary. I'd be including healthcare, but I genuinely don't know if we currently have that in any reasonable capacity; as that changes, so does my stance on this. Internet might reach this level but is even less doable than healthcare atm; some other method of ensuring the free flow of information would be acceptable there as long as it actually does that.
-Equal protection under law, enshrined in. LGBTQA+, women, men, all religions, all ethnic groups, rich, poor, etc. Probably other groups that have emerged in the last 50 years, or ones that I totally think should be included that! This should be examples, not a complete list, and it should be expandable; I'm aiming for sophont flourishing, not some subset thereof.
-Democracy, under a sane voting system. Ideally Something like Condorcet or instant runoff, but that particular detail belongs lower down. Universal suffrage is pretty much completely non negotiable.

Stuff I want badly, but am more willing to compromise on:
-Sophont rights. This would be uncompromising, but I'm more vague on the form. I would want something along the lines of https://www.echr.coe.int/Documents/Convention_ENG.pdf , but I think there's a lot of room for a coherent system that largely hits the important points while still looking different. There are subpoints within this that belong in the above category.
-Business Regulation. The absolute minimum I would accept is the old US, plus loophole closures, but ideally I'd want significantly more and that would be a fairly bitter compromise. I'm not necessarily opposed to workplace democracy, but it's not a hard stance in my ideology and if it turns out to be a no sell in terms of drawing in foreign business to actually win this I'm willing to turn against it outright in argument.
-Regulation of hate speech. I'm not entirely decided on how much power on this score, and am open for being convinced in a wider variety of levels should there be a widespread sane consensus.
-Stronger federal power. Don't let the splintering happen again. Giving regional governments emergency power in case the central government is decapitated again sounds smart, though.
-Free flow of people within a country
-Laws against gerrymandering.
-Civilian control of the military

What I think should be kept from the old government for legitimacy and work:
-3 Houses of government. Presidency, congress, and supreme courts. I think that the president has too much power on that scale in the RL!US, but I think that internally and internationally the presidency is a fairly strong part of the image of America, and with a better voting system wouldn't have as many flaws in getting good candidates. I think we need a better congress, and potentially not two houses; this also gives a fairly easy way to integrate splinter states into a federation diplomatically, while helping with legitimacy; insofar as we change the appearance of things, it should be to taking stuff like a parliamentary system that can shore up the lack of continuity with their own legitimacy of international success.
--Local level government should also be democratic, but those are much less important for legitimacy and are correspondingly less of a sticking point. Direct democracy might not even work so badly for regions
-Same constitutional structure, but it definitely needs some aggressive remodeling. The second amendment should probably go, many of the other amendments should outright replace the text they modify, make it explicit that this isn't supposed to be a static document.
-Military structure, as possible; things like rank names or the like are non-negligibly helpful to establishing continuity and shouldn't be changed without reason.
-E: Not a fan of the electoral college but if we can make it genuinely symbolic, then 🤷

Stuff I want:
-Better public defenders; more per capita, probably more competitively paid but with a UBI and more availability of education that might not turn out to be necessary
-Better oversight for governmental employees. Something like ICE happening is completely unacceptable, as is the US military's unaccountability of budget, the current system's systemic local police brutality and racism, etc.
-A market with oversight. Money and markets are genuinely really really good at distributing scarce resources, but it's very clear that an unregulated market becomes anything but free and competition encouraging.
-Secular governance & freedom of religion
-Latitude to stamp down on seditious ideologies like fascism, but noninterference with ideologies that don't interfere with, well, liberty and democracy. I don't want the government to be able to enforce Soviet Russia all over again, but I have no objections to, say, syndicalists in power, or a social democratic government forming a coalition with libertarians, or conservative parties that aren't proto-fascists, as long as the government actually has popular mandate.
-Better recall system for elected representatives who defect from the will of their constituents
-Better protection against propaganda and falsehoods. My gut instinct is fines and retraction but I genuinely don't know how best to do this without getting too much censorship I don't want.
-Prison reform, because holy fuck RL!America's is currently awful

My personal Ideology on other matters than the above:
-Somewhere around SocDem / somewhat left of there on some parts, so that would obviously be my preferred governing party, but I am very emphatically opposed to preventing that from changing or otherwise enshrining a political party in law.


There's probably some stuff missing because I'm not taking this anywhere near as seriously as I would actually redesigning the US constitution. If I missed something obvious that's probably why; I'm not wedded to this exact list, more that this is my attempt to express the underlying opinions.

I think this is a great policy platform, I'd just add immigration reform, because IMO despite nativist sentiment so much of what makes America great socioeconomically is supported by new individuals coming into and carving out a living in the country. The American Dream right? I'm not saying we have to have open borders but we certainly can't afford to be selective now.
 
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Oh yeah, one more thing:



The province of Manitoba, with it's capital at Winnipeg has a RL population of 1.3 million
The province of Saskatchewan, capital Regina, has a population of 1.2 million.
Most of that space there is empty.

So I don't expect the Collapse to have done anything bout their supply of food; they can both comfortably feed themselves.


That population distribution helps explain why Toronto took the risk of jumping that supply convoy now, despite being a hundred, a hundred and fifty kilometers or so from Buffalo. Ontario consists of at least a third of Canada's population, with much of it concentrated in the Toronto metropolitan area. Which puts a lot of them, with a lot of old Canada's munitions,

PS
Map of Canadian Air Force bases:
There is a lot of space out there for aircraft to simply vanish until they're needed. Canadian and American both.
Not that Canada had that many aircraft, but the country is Big. I would not be surprised if a few squadrons of American planes based in New England jumped the border and went missing in the confusion of the Collapse.

No idea what kind of state they'd be in though.
 
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they'd need to be in a barn to have a hope of surviving, and even then I'd doubt they'd be functional. Could probably develop first principles from them tho?
 
Or the suave, courtly New England Nazi who was a rival and who, after being defeated, moved to Wisconsin and sent a postcard.
I'm assuming he or his successors are among those Sara Johnson and the Iron Brigade pushed into their own ovens.
Sara Goldblum:

"There are two kinds of Hauptsturmfuhrers. The kind you shoot before throwing them in the incinerator, and the kind you don't."
 
Going through some old stuff for reasons.
In honour of our victory:
OOC: Given that religion is supposed to be a lot more important (to the point where a socialist theocracy was semi-seriously suggested), I think that a pro-Chicago religious message has been lacking. It may be because the idiom is unfamiliar to many here, so I decided to write one. I am reasonably satisfied, and if people like it I might do more.

IC:

Radio Broadcast from Radio Chesterton, Chicago, at the news of the victory in Detroit

"God bless you, my fellow workers in Christ! This is Father Brown speaking.

"We know that we must have faith! But it is so hard! How many days, weeks, months and years have we suffered? How long have we prayed, and wept, and worked? How often have we cried out in despair, 'My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?'

"That is how Israel cried out when the Assyrians crushed them. The Assyrians, that cruel empire, who bragged of murder. Of torture. Of looting and burning cities. Of every despicable and horrid act. They terrified all the world, some they killed, others crawled on their belly. None were left alone. None could prosper except by their permission. In Judeah King Ahaz robbed the temple and gave the loot to the Assyrians, all so they would help him against his enemies.

"My fellow workers in Christ, you know who I mean! When someone mentions the Assyrians today, you know who they mean. When someone reads from Isaiah or from Nahum, we all know who they mean. When the people are suffering from poverty, cruelty, and tyranny, they all know who we mean. They curse the Assyrian of our age. And they curse the grovelling Ahazs of our age as well.

"My fellow workers in Christ, the wrath of God shall turn on Assyria and Ahaz! And we no longer need to be afraid to name them!

"Victoria! The name is a curse upon the land. In the past a tyrant would strike us with a whip, but they scourge us with scorpions. And the Ahazs of America trade the birthright of the people for a mess of pottage. All so that Ahaz can eat his fill while the people starve.

"Assyria was always full of evil and blasphemy against God. What did the Assyrian say when the King of Judah refused to pay tribute and to submit? Why these were the words of the Assyrian king, 'Do not let your God on whom you rely deceive you by promising that Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria. Behold, you have heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all lands, destroying them utterly. And shall you be delivered? Have the gods of the nations delivered them, the nations which my fathers destroyed, Gozan, Haran, Rezeph, and the people of Eden who were in Tel-assar? Where is the king of Hamath, the king of Arpad, the king of the city of Sepharva′im, the king of Hena, or the king of Ivvah?'

"Our Assyrians, the Victorians, were just as proud and arrogant when Detroit said no. When Detroit said they would stand together with the Commonwealth and no longer pay protection money. Oh, how that rankled the proud spirit of Victoria! For those who are on the devil's side become proud, just like their father the devil.

"Tell me, my fellow workers in Christ, can you remember the list of cities and people that the Victorians have killed, oppressed, or carried off into slavery? Of course you can remember. Everyone remembers. But if you should forget, the Victorians will remind you. They will proudly list their crimes and dare you to defy them. And they are eager to make good upon their threats, so that everyone will keep on bowing. Keep on pretending not to see the young men taken out into the woods, pretend not to hear the gunshots. Pretend not to see the young women carried off, pretend not to hear the screams. Pretend, because we all know what happens.

"Yet Detroit decided to stop pretending, they said no. And the Victorians came. They came with the army that had never been defeated. They came with army everyone feared. They came with the devil by their side.

"But we heard in our hearts the word of God, 'The Lord is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; he knows those who take refuge in him.'

"God was on our side! On the side of the workers and farmers! On the side of the honest people! On the side of the weak and the oppressed! Of widows and orphans! For 'He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak'.

"He looked on the city of Detroit and all the cities of the Commonwealth, and he heard our prayers, and blessed our soldiers and workers. Then it was as at the siege of Jerusalem, for it is written, 'Therefore thus says the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city or shoot an arrow there, or come before it with a shield or cast up a siege mound against it. By the way that he came, by the same he shall return, and he shall not come into this city, says the Lord. For I will defend this city to save it'.

"My fellow workers in Christ. Rejoice. Rejoice! We have won!

"I tell you that every drop of blood, sweat and tears, every aching muscle, every sacrifice made, every prayer, every sorrow, all of them were blessed by God. By these efforts, blessed by God, our armies became like the angel of the Lord, who slew the armies of Assyria at the gates of Jerusalem.

"For behold: The whole of the Victorian army has been shattered! The soldiers and workers of the Commonwealth and of Detroit have been victorious! Rejoice!

"Later we shall grieve. Later we shall bury our dead. Later we shall gird our loins and continue the war. Yet now, rejoice, for the Lord has brought the Jubilee, and we have been set free.

"My fellow workers in Christ, let us all gather as children of God, in charity and common labour, and celebrate this victory today as we prepare to labour for new victories tomorrow!

"God bless you all!"
I somehow forgot to give you two your threadmarks! That's fixed, now.

And for everybody else...check this space tomorrow.
 
Rebirth of Eagles

"You know, it's sort of funny to me. The way some of you seem to act, I'd think you'd forgotten where we were from. This is Illinois, boys. We've loved the bald eagle long before those spiteful little crow bastards decided to try and claim that spot."

The mess hall table was silent.

And then there was one long suffering sigh.

"...'S too early for this. Are you just here to drop hot takes all over breakfast, Goggles? Or are you going somewhere with this?"

"Both?" Goggles-- actual name, Caleb Dombrowski, a short, blond, boy of thick glasses and a mediocre beard-- took out a few chunks of cloth, and tossed them on the table. They landed right side up in front of the bowl of scrambled eggs, in sight for the entire unit-- 11 Squad.

"We were all having a good day. All of us." Sergeant Cordu, currently nicknameless, grabbed her face in her hands.

"All I'm saying is it seems a bit weird for us to claim the shiny obsessed, vengeance hungry, vicious little materialist bastard crow, as opposed to the natural survivor that is the eagle--"

"Yes yes, we've all heard it. You are also like, one of the five people still pissed about it. Either do something about it, or let it go." She started rubbing her forehead in little circles with her fingertips.

"Right. Anyway, you know how we were designing platoon emblems in that meeting you guys all decided to miss, to help the Detroiters? Well, since I was the only one there, so I uh, kind of won by default."

She sighed again, a deep reverberation which vibrated the table. "All the privates I coulda been stuck with Goggles, and it had to be your ass, didn't it?"

"I dunno," the third, mostly silent man, sitting to her right said. "I kind of like them."

The first patch was a bald eagle, feet wrapped around a sword and the old Illinois motto spelled out at the bottom, all in a shield shape.

The second the eagle held five arrows-- clearly enough for the fifty states.

The last, though, the last was quite different by their standards.

On the right was an eagle's head, on the left a crow, each extending a bit of wing-- beneath them both, 'together in victory.'

"Kinda surprised you came up with this one Goggles, all else considered."

"Yeah well, much as I hate the thieving little materialist rat-birds, I know when I'm alone. In any case, I refuse to leave our bird to be picked over by fascists when they feel like cloaking themselves in the legacy of a nation they slaughtered. Liuetenant wanted me to finalize these before the end of the week, and I wanted to get your opinions on it before I did. Pass them around and all that, don't worry if you lose them, I made more than one."
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Random three AM Micro-things with Voik.
 
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