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The warlord of Toledo has clearly seen the way the wind is blowing and has opportunistically changed sides. Well at least he is more humble than Admiral Francois Darlan was and Toledo's forces can suddenly attack the rear of the enemy forces. We should accept their offer of two divisions attacking the enemy. It will save Commonwealth lives and burn any remaining bridges between Toledo and Victoria. The Victorians might overlook a few dead air force garrison guards but they will not overlook a full betrayal of their field army.

I do not think we need to consult Detroit on this. Burns controls the situation here. Eisenhower didn't bother to ask De Gaulle's permission on accepting Darlan's defection deal in North Africa. Better to ask forgiveness than permission when faced with a golden opportunity like this.

The Toledo army seems more skilled than our own army if likely lacking in deployment abilities. Although we are not planning campaigns of mass conquest, this is a sign we need to improve our military if our military is weaker than some warlord states. We need to be the top dog in the region if we wish to be the protector of the Midwest and be able to back up our words.

We do not need the air force here and prop aircraft are weak to shoulder fire missiles.
 
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You hear that sound? that is the sound of the Status Quo breaking for good, of the idea of Victorian invulnerability becoming ash.

The bad side is that, sonner rather than latter, Alex and or his people will have to poke their noses here, because their client is up the shit creek, they do have a paddle and a boat, mind, but the locals are looking at them, and playing their banjos
 
Burns has basically full control over the military situation because we got a supercrit on mobilization or something in turn four IIRC.
To be precise, we spent an AP on integrating the Detroit forces into the Commonwealth chain of command on Turn Three; this campaign is technically happening during Turn Three and Turn Four hasn't happened yet. That said, this doesn't make Burns Supreme Maximum Dictator-Leader of Detroit.

If we accept the Toledoan offer enthusiastically, we can expect some ruffled feathers.

The warlord of Toledo has clearly seen the way the wind is blowing and has opportunistically changed sides. Well at least he is more humble than Admiral Francois Darlan was and Toledo's forces can suddenly attack the rear of the enemy forces. We should accept their offer of two divisions attacking the enemy. It will save Commonwealth lives and burn any remaining bridges between Toledo and Victoria. The Victorians might overlook a few dead air force garrison guards but they will not overlook a full betrayal of their field army.

I do not think we need to consult Detroit on this. Burns allows the situation here. Eisenhower didn't bother to ask De Gaulle's permission on accepting Darlan's defection deal in North Africa. Better to ask forgiveness than permission when faced with a golden opportunity like this.

The Toledo army seems more skilled than our own army if likely lacking in deployment abilities. Although we are not planning campaigns of mass conquest, this is a sign we need to improve our military if our military is weaker than some warlord states. We need to be the top dog in the region if we wish to be the protector of the Midwest and be able to back up our words.
Also yes to all this.
 
Can I just say as fun as it is to read...I've no idea what's going on anymore.

As I recall we were repulsing a Victorian attack...now we're retaking an airport...

Is this the final battle? I do not know...
Per the plan, you repulsed the Victorian attack on the Raisin Line. Also per the plan, you then organized a limited counter-attack, with the aim of forcing the Victorians to string themselves out and burn supplies in preparation for a major assault.

...

And then Toledo came in out of nowhere, and said to Victoria, "Um, thank you for your contributions, but fuck on out of our airport, please. Also, fuck you in general. Hey Burns, want a hand?"
Thank fuck. I thought we were about to be smited or, barring that, one of our allies/friends. Also happy that Toledo's apparent rivalry/stance with Detroit isn't one of those "HATE! HATE! BURN THEM ALIVE BECAUSE THEY'RE FROM DETROIT!" sort of things, but is instead one of just caution and paranoia and, better yet, that they're willing to see past that.

Question, what is the lore behind Toledo and the warlord there, both in canon and in this quest, if you don't mind me asking?
Well, I was going to explain, but I see people have beaten me to it. :D To expand: The Warlord came to power amid escalating fears of Detroit once it because clear that they had a lot more ability to sustain a military (population+infinite trade tariffs works FTW). The Warlord was elected, but found it trivial to justify, to himself and the City, never leaving, and he threw absolutely everything into the military. He may, or may not, have intended a war at some point; you do not know.

He is in any case fairly opaque to Detroit. They know that, over the past decade, the dust-ups along the fence line have become virtually impossible to win.
Do we know how Detroit feels about this?
No.
Nothing is free, especially in this world. What exactly does that man want? Autonomy? Recognition as an independent state? Access to commercial trade and the Commonwealth's granaries by extension?

Also, @PoptartProdigy , threadmarking is fucked.

Were all those rolls meant to be in the "Sidestory" Section? Why is the fourth roll between "Old Friends Lost" and "On the River"?
Rolls are meant to be in Sidestory, yes. I don't know how the fourth roll got all the way back the fuck there, but it's fixed now.
Dispatches from Chicago: The Old Crow


Detroit Metro isn't used at all these days, and little Coleman Young isn't, or rather wasn't, used much. A few small planes here and there, but Victoria didn't much like the idea of anyone else having planes so close to them. So, they made sure we didn't, and when we had to make choices about what roads to keep up, well, the airport wasn't the priority. Now we suddenly got lots of reasons it is. It's been more than half-a-year, and credit to the engineering corps of Chicago, they have done their best. Credit to us as well, rock and dirt-moving equipment isn't much available here, and a lot of the grunt work was done by our own. Despite that, the downpour has washed away large parts of it.

Still, I take the trip, because this technical is coming to the airport to pick up one Sara Goldblum. Her title is Assistant Secretary of Defense for Munitions. But under that somewhat unassuming title lies one of the key players in Chicago's war machine. Back when the Nazis came, she was one of the two leaders of the "Iron Brigade," the other is the current president. I have been personally invited to speak with her, because, apparently I have become the primary war correspondent for Detroit, a decision that makes me think the claims our city council has gone insane were right.

With myself taking the passenger seat, and the driver's position already occupied, Sara slides into the back gunner's seat, looking far more comfortable in it than I am in the passenger seat, especially when she checks the machine gun, swings it around, then promises me she's locked it 'safe.' Can't help but feel an odd reversal there. I do not think of middle-aged women as being so comfortable in a gunner's seat… guess that's another prejudice I need to get over. We all got our pasts, us from the Victorians, them from the Nazis. Granted, it isn't the same, and I recognize her eyes. It's the eyes of young bucks, angry and wanting to fight them, those sorts of eyes don't- didn't, last long in Detroit. You got other eyes, or your eyes got closed.

Honestly, I'd like to say either of these traits were surprising. But I can do basic math to take the current year and subtract her birth year, and the Iron Brigade shoved the Oshkosh concentration camp guards into their own incinerators, so I had expectations about their leaders.


It's a pleasure to meet you, Sara. I understand you are the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Munitions?

"Yes. I'm the Assistant Secretary of War Excuse Me Defense for Munitions. I'm here because we looked around the office and realized not enough of us had gotten close enough to the fighting to hear the kabooms. Since we're not a pack of Victorian generals, that needed changing. I'm not the first visitor, though. I know the army's surgeon general came through a week ago- did you catch Damilola, or did she get past you?"

Unfortunately, I wasn't given an opportunity with her, and she kept to the military bases. I understand you are down here to inspect artillery? It seemed to be doing some fine work when I saw it. What needs changing?

"It's just like anything else; when you get something new out there, you have to check to make sure it works according to plan. The Commonwealth artillery's equipment changes every year; we could do, cando, so much more than we've been able to do before. We use different tools, try new tricks. Some of the changes we're only now rolling out, so I'm here to make sure that nothing about them gets in the way of blowing up Vicks."

I understand you were heavily involved in Chicago's early military. How has that changed since becoming the Commonwealth?

"For the better. Bigger, more integrated. I kind of miss the old way, but not enough to be sad it's gone if we can kill more Nazis this way. Or- did you mean the old militia, or did you mean me?"

A bit of both, honestly. No one else had the military might to challenge Victoria until you came along. What changed? When did you decide that you really could take Victoria? What was that like for you? To see that change?

"A lot of it was that we finally started working together, not apart. Victoria can push around any one city they can reach, one way or another. It's the difference between a city and a country- just size. They're not better, they're not smarter, they don't even get that much help from Daddy anymore- but they're bigger. Even if they can't send an army big enough to sack a city, they can put pressure on its neighbors, cut it off from trade and even food, until it withers on the vine. And they like it that way. The way things were even five years ago, they were stronger than any of us- they'd put a lot of work into breaking and killing, with a lot of help from Daddy, to make that true. But now? Well, it's an old saying, I forget where it's from. They're stronger than any of us, but they're not stronger than all of us."

"That's what changed. Partnership. A year ago we were looking about to have another famine in Chicago. Sure, we had more little plants and co-ops ready to make farming equipment than I can even remember, it just didn't matter with no fields. But then... there's a lot of what you might call 'downstate' that was down to farming just for survival, with nothing left over, because they didn't have the equipment. Match made in Heaven. If you wonder why most Commonwealthers like Ron, that has more to do with it than the blowing stuff up. He was running the provisional government when it fed people. I think you know how powerful that is- but I'm getting off-topic. The point is, ever since the Accords, the Commonwealth has been a country, not just one city or a couple of cities. A country that can be about as big and strong as Victoria. Big enough to stop it. Someday maybe strong enough to bury it."

"Now, we'd been building up trade networks for a long time. We had a lot of connections. A lot of us had plans, hopes. And when Ron rolled in, well, that sped things up. Sometimes when somebody's got you tied to a fence, you just need to cut through the knot. His style helps with that a lot. And that got the Accords rolling, and brought enough of us together that we counted up our troops and our ships and our resources and hey, what do you know, it turns out we have enough pepper to stop a Victorian army!"

Now here Sara flashes a smile, one with too much tooth. On a much younger woman, it is the smile that promises direct violence, to be performed by the smiler. Here, I think it promises as much violence, or more, really, but not performed by her. Most likely not, anyhow.

So, our Victoria friends made quite a fuss about you killing their aid workers and planning to expand everywhere. Thoughts?

As a reporter, I have had a number of people bat their eyes at me. Sometimes it is to look innocent. Sometimes, it is to indicate the interest of the romantic type. And sometimes, sometimes it is to brag, to state that they are aware you know what they did, and they are more than willing to be proud of it and would do it again. I think it should be easy to tell which of these eye bats came to me.

"What aid workers? I don't remember the list I went over with General Burns having any aid work- ohh! Oh, those! Those 'aid workers.' "

The sarcasm on those words is acid.

"Well, all I know is, none of them were a tenth as good at actually aiding anyone as they were at, hm, let's see..." She ticks off her fingers one by one. "sabotage, espionage, and assassinating most of a generation of industrialists, oh and at least two state governors. And that was just what they were getting paid to do from home; what some of them did for 'perks' when they got the chance would have scared my hair straight if I hadn't seen worse in the forties."

"Tell me, Mr. Williams. You're three times closer to Victoria than we are. Did you see big boatloads of Victorian aid supplies come for free in the fall of '63, when just about every harvest from the Mississippi to the Appalachians was going to hell? I didn't think so. Well, they weren't passing you up to feed us, I'll tell you that. The only 'aid' we ever got was barter only, for industrial equipment and vehicles we've never yet been able to replace. You ever hear the old one about teaching a man to fish? Well, the Victorians do the opposite. They'll give you a fish and take your fishing rod and tell you to be grateful for it. So I think they can spare both of us their talk about "aid workers." I doubt you've missed your set of strutting, swaggering spies-in-sheeps'-clothing any more than we did. The only difference is that you were forgiving enough to let them leave alive after what they've done, I guess. Gracious of you."

Gracious. A nice way of putting it as she smiles wolfishly. Not sure grace had anything to do with us leaving them alive. But there it is, the polite dance that Detroit's actions were choices. She continues, an enthusiasm I've heard so many times before, usually, on those I don't expect to see the next winter, dead of entirely natural causes.

"Me, I don't believe Retroculturalists deserve a lot of grace."

I nod, and honestly, I'm tempted to leave off there. But I've apparently got readers, and listeners out west now, and I love all those who follow my words. So, I press on, might as well get an answer from the horses' mouth. Or the horses' second in commands' mouth.

Very... interesting. And the expansion plans you carefully didn't mention?

"Well, as far as the Chicago Accords are concerned, applications are still open! Sign up if you like free and fair elections, excessive numbers of political parties, cheap combine harvesters, and grinding Victorian army regiments into sausage! I know I do, though I still haven't figured out what to do with my combine harvester. I don't know a furrow from a ferret, honestly."

"But if nobody signs up, we don't have expansion plans. Trade plans, sure; the Soo Locks could use a hand with some work, and you'd have to see the state of some of the waterworks along the Mississippi to believe them. But not expansion. Nothing's proper Commonwealth soil except for an embassy. Not if the people there don't sign the Accords- or an amended copy of same."

Any thoughts on why so many communities seem so concerned about it?

"Well, the Vicks have been screaming their heads off about it for the past two years. A lot of Americans have gotten into the trap of feeling like we have to believe what they say, to pretend Victoria doesn't lie about just about every damn thing. Even when in our hearts, we know better than to trust them about anything important. But they do lie."

She stops for a moment. And it makes me think, not too long, but now that I'm writing this up, afterward, this line gets me. We all got our sins, and truth be told readers, I've parroted their lies before. I could always justify it to myself. I'm not saying they are true, just stating what they said it. "The Victorian ambassador said", "According to Victorian diplomats", or just writing a transcript of their speech. But at the same time, I knew much of it for what it was, and didn't much speak against em, least not in ways that they would recognize, as I've also said, I never had much respect for Victorian intelligence. I've had a lot of people say I'm suspicious, or defeatist with Chicago, and maybe I am. But I think I'm just as much delighting in being able to be. Thing to think about, at least.

Sara continues on, as if she read my mind.


"I don't suppose that's everything, though. The way things have been in this part of the country for the past thirty years is terrible, but it's something we could get used to, eventually. Each town or city did what it could to survive, looked out for itself, and put up with whatever government it had to if it couldn't get the one it wanted. People got used to keeping their heads down, even if it meant slipping down the ladder rung by rung. And anything that tried to change that, one way or another, was likely to be a threat. Either the Victorians would burn it, or the Russians would bomb it, or it would all turn out to be a trick somehow. Or even all three at once."

"I think a lot of people who didn't join up with the Accords are thinking that way. They're waiting for the other shoe to drop, wondering when we'll shout "AHA!" and hoist the evil flag, or when the Victorians will burn us out. Except that we haven't done the first one, and we have no intention of letting the second one happen."

"Whatever people say, or whatever they fear, those are the facts. We're not stealing the bread out of our neighbors' mouths. We're not slaughtering our own innocent people, or other people's people. We're not taking tribute at gunpoint. We're not sending "aid workers" to break anything that looks like an attempt to rebuild. And we're not letting Victorian boots anywhere near any part of America we can protect. Because they do all of those other things. We all know they do."

Moving on from hypothetical expansion to the very real war. I've gotten to see your troops in action thanks to your generosity. Reversing that, what have you seen of the Detroit Militia?

"Personally, less than I'd like. I've read a lot of reports, but you can't learn everything you'd like about troops just from reading an essay."

And you-all, the Commonwealth?

"Hm. Well, a lot of us have seen a lot to write those reports in the first place. I'm guessing you want to hear about that. I can only bounce it back secondhand, but they were good reports."

And what did you think of them?

"Hm, physically or metaphysically?"

Good question, if you believe the Victorians, not much difference between the two. Granted, I am inclined to a slightly more materialistic explanation, but I'd be wrong if I thought that it was nothing. It's doesn't matter if you have guns if you are too scared to fire them.

"Physically, well, if you'd asked me a few years ago, I'd have said you needed more Sten guns. And better bomb-makers. You can never go wrong with good bomb-makers. Oh, and shovels. Now, Ron disagrees with me about Sten guns, but you're pretty well set up for guns now. I should probably talk to someone about IEDs anyway. I'm sure your team has enough shovels now, you would not believe how many- ah, people- I've talked to in the last six months..."

Sara sighs, her face taking on the expression of so many members of the city council when talking about many a project.

"Anyway, you definitely need more big guns. Can't go wrong with a big load of howitzers. We're still kind of hard up ourselves, but you've earned a share, and I think I can shake some more loose for you if some of the new stuff works out. Also, technicals. Tell anyone in the militia you know. Technicals."

Sara risks letting her hands free on the bumpy ride of punctuating every syllable with a stab of the finger to her hand. I didn't ask if Sara believes in God, but I am sure she believes in Technicals.

"They help. A lot."

"But yeah, I know the Viks kept you pretty short on equipment and it was hard to hide things from them. You're definitely getting there, and we'll ship in what we can. Nobody west of Buffalo benefits from a weak Detroit, and yes I'm including Toledo. The world's a better place if we're all strong enough to stand up for ourselves. It keeps the jackboots in the closet where they belong."

"Now, metaphysically? I'll to have to tell a bit of a story to explain. See, the Vicks cast a long shadow. I've felt it too. But the difference between your militia and the way ours used to be is mostly about something else."

She shrugs.

"See, Detroit's militia remind me of some of the old crew from the War on Nazis, just as we were getting started- more like the line units pushing up out of Chicago, not the guerillas I rode with. Except for us having more leftovers from the Good Old Days back then, there's... a lot in common."

"The difference now, though, is that out where we are, we saw the Vicks- Rumford even visited once- but our trouble was mostly the neo-Nazis. They didn't have a sugar daddy to cry to when things started to go sour, though they started looking hard for one, at the end."

She grins, I will give this, when trying to be scary, Sara isn't the worst. On the other hand, I've interviewed Victorians when they wanted to be in the press. I know the grin, the grin of someone who lies to your face and dares you not to print exactly what they said with no questions but what they wish. Who may kill you, perhaps because you did something they disliked, perhaps because you were there and some reporters must be purged occasionally to remind the others. Sara's grin is different, it promises pain for other people, for things they did to deserve it. Revenge rides on this woman's shoulder, I don't think she's had to, or tried to, hide it in a long time.

"When we started beating them, they kept getting weaker. And weaker. We got to finish them off. All the way off."

"The thing that's missing here is, your team didn't get to do something like that. My team got a chance to push a bunch of Nazi role-players all the way back into their own..." she trails off, her eyes distant and hell-lit... "goddamn ovens. It changed us, to know we could do that, that we didn't have to let them take away every last scrap of our country and turn it all into Hell forever. Because we don't. We can stop them. We will."

And the smile on her face flows from wolf to woman, in the space of three heartbeats.

"You'd have been doing it right along with us, if you'd been there. As it is, you're getting your chance late. But you're doing it, and you can do it again as many times as you have to, until they never take anything from you again."

I'm going to be honest here, I try not to be an emotional man. At least not when interviewing. Everyone got a fantasy, and everyone communicates it. The way they say the world works, or the way the world should work. It's easy to get yourself caught up in them, for or against. Sometimes that can be dangerous, for some inexplicable reason those who question Victoria's fantasies tended to end up with a case of dead, sometimes with the body found.

But even when it isn't dangerous, I try to avoid it. To many people can sell you on something against your interest. Make you not think. But that said, if I'm to be honest, I wanted to believe. I want that fantasy to be true, to be standing in the sun unafraid. There was a gleam in her eyes that makes me think she means it, but maybe I just so badly want her to.

I find myself distracted, and embarrassingly, come back only after I realize that I missed something she said. Not my finest moment as a Journalist, but we are all friends here, and I'm sure no one here would tell anyone about my embarrassing little slip.


I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

"I said. I expect the Detroit Militia's starting to learn how that feels by now. You'll be able to tell the difference. I think you'll like it."

I nod, and consult my notes, reminding myself of other questions I had jotted down.

If you don't mind I'd like to go back from the metaphysical to the materialistic. I know we are helping you disassemble that laker. I heard from people back home that a lot of stuff flowing from that, any plans?

"I've seen one really stupid plan cross my desk where we keep all the goods, and about four good ones where we don't. We still don't have a full manifest for that ship, and the Secretary of Commerce is still trying to get his people to figure out if she can be floated off the mudbank or if she's scrap iron. I don't know what we'll do with the ship or the steel; either way that's a question for next year and the year after. I do know that if you've got a hankering for some mortars, they're going to be on clearance for a while. Vicks have a great big love for mortars. Disturbing love. There's probably more mortars on that ship than all of us put together know what to do with. That and bazooka rockets. Stingers. That kind of thing. They were planning to top off thirty or forty thousand men for weeks of hard fighting, so I imagine there'll be plenty to go around."

What about training exercises for the equipment we'll be getting? Any chance of our militia seeing that?

"It'd be a good idea. They've been training hard all winter; I don't see why that should change after the Victorians get a kicking. And mortars are tricky. So are bazookas."

So, tell me, are the rumors true? Does Burns use Victorian intestines as condoms?

She shrugs and gets a grin of mischief that only a woman far too old for anyone to tell her to act her age can get.

"Heh. Well. You know how he rolled in around here?"

She waves her arms, indicating, well, all of Detroit.

"I read the reports, and believe me, he was juuust like that three or four years ago too. Same style, different day. You know how he is about wargames. And my rule is, I like my men tricky enough to spot about a third of my ambushes. Maybe two fifths. If he can see more than half of them in a war game, he's way too sneaky for me to date."

Sara gives a grin, perhaps the only one that even begins to approach something like embarrassment, and she is for a moment far away, remember what I can only assume to be an experience every bit as humiliating. Then she shakes her head and chuckles and turns back to me.

"So, to answer your question, I wouldn't know. Ask someone who took him to bed. Though I will say it sounds unsanitary. Do you know how many untreated intestinal parasites they have in Victoria? Me neither. Bleh!"

Fair enough. What about defending a village from Nazis by his lonesome while taking out a tank on foot? One of my younger nephews was talking about it, said it was in a book and everything.

Sara is once again far away. This time not with embarrassment, but with, perhaps, a ting of nostalgia. Thinking, and I must admit I am perhaps speculating far too much on another's state of mind, or an earlier time. Before the collapse, before the Nazis. I'm tempted to interrupt to ask on that, but this interview has far too many topics already, and the collapse is one of the few things we don't lack for writings of.

"When I was a girl, we had what we called 'comic books.' Good to know they're back. Now, do you want me to break that down piece by piece? It sounds about..."

She begins counting on her fingers.

"Hm, just about exactly half true."

Gotta admit, half true was more than I was expecting, and I find myself pressing on a topic I didn't plan to spend much time on.

Which part is the most true, and the least true?

"Most true? He's defended villages. I've seen a few. Least true? Well. I don't know that he ever blew up a tank himself. It's not impossible, but it's tough. But what's really impossible? If you've met some of the people who've been with the Devil Brigade the whole way here... they'd never have let him fight anything alone. He'd have had to sneak away from his troops, and some of them are pretty good at following 'sneaky.' I should know. Even if he turned fifteen feet tall and green and strong enough to swat an army all by himself, it wouldn't change anything. He wouldn't have been fighting alone."

Got to see some of that down south. Now, I'm sure that Alex will be happy to tell me if anything I say trends on military intelligence. But given you already let me broadcast it, I assume that the fact that the Victorian's traded a CMC division for a river is well known. And thoughts on that or the shape of the battle to come you care to share?

"We're looking forward to the next time they throw down with us. So are the buzzards."

I will confess to wanting more, but I knew this topic wasn't likely to get much. Plenty of words have been spilled from me on the subject of civilians and military plans. I know it's rational. I know it makes sense. Still, wish I knew.

Anything else you can say? The next lines at the outskirts of Detroit, and I think it would bring comfort to a lot of people to have some idea what's going on. I've been hearing from the Militia that they are scrambling and can't talk to me. Plans for another assault?

"Hm. Well, I won't tell you what he's doing. But I'll tell you what I would do if, say, what was left of the whole Victorian army came roaring up in one big wave, trying to rush us like they rushed us back from Leamington to Essex. You may remember how that turned out for them..."

"My reputation is as a sneaky commander, but sometimes, you have a hammer and your problem really is a nail. If I had the forces we have here, I'd get everything ready and meet them with a wall of guns at the first good line on the road north. If Detroit Militia units were being called up, it'd be to be a part of that wall."

"But then, Ron might do something a little more complicated than that, and he may not expect all the Victorians to have the stomach for another march north. Hard to blame them if they didn't, after all."

Planning to get more use out of those steel shells?

She smiles.

"You noticed. Well, we've brought them here, and they're ready to go- lacquered and lubricated for the Victorians' entertainment, even. I can't imagine Ron isn't planning to hit them with a shell or two... thousand.

So, assuming we win, where do you see Detroit and Chicago standing?

"Chicago's going to be in the same place it always was, right between Lake Michigan and the Illinois River. We're going to keep tooling up and rebuilding, because we aren't planning to stand around and let Victoria bully us, or anyone we can help, ever again. Not even if the Vicks go crying home to daddy for better weapons, da? We'll wipe the walls with them as many times as we have to until they get the idea. Americans aren't for pushing around, or for whipping, or for shoving in the kitchen.

She snorts.

"Even if it weren't for that, we could use all the rebuilding we can get. there isn't a single place in North America that's all of what it ought to be. I-" She stutters a bit. "I'm just old enough to remember things more or less the way they were supposed to be, before it started falling apart, even if I was a little girl then. You know how it is for my generation. We were too young to stop what happened. Maybe before we all die, we can be old and sneaky enough to get most of it back..."

Goldblum trails off. I recognize that, got it when my mother talked to me about America or my grandmother about my namesake. That wistful nostalgia for a better time. America don't mean much to me, sadly, and I don't know better times. But the way so many talk with wistfulness for it, makes it seem like some mythical Camelot. Saw a role like that once, the good president Obama, whose kingdom fell to ruin thanks to the Russian knight Trump, he was stabbed with a poison syringe, and not rest beneath lake Erie, ready to rise again when the time is right.

"And as for Detroit, you'll have less Vics, and more howitzers if I have anything to say about it. I don't know, how much do you like combine harvesters and about forty-seven political parties? If you want to join the team, we'd be idiots to say 'no.' "

Actually, that brings up a number of questions. A lot of people, even myself, tend to use the term Chicago and Commonwealth interchangeably. Or at least use them to denote pre-accords and post-accords. But I understand that there are parts besides that, what's that like? How are they governed?

"A bit like things used to be, though not exactly. The Commonwealth has states, the states have cities and counties. Some of the borders aren't where they used to be, but Chicago is just one state, with a big city in it, out of many. Maybe out of more, if people want to sign up. Maybe not. Either way, that's how it usually works. A big area forms a county government with a county seat; a city may, or may not. As they like. Cities and counties are part of a state. We drew up the state lines for the places that signed the Accords already, and we'd redraw and add if new members come in. The state governments answer to the Commonwealth's- Chicago's as much as any of the others."

What about power centers? Would Chicago hold all primary government offices?

"Whatever happens, we're going to have to put them somewhere. Where, exactly, and how centralized those offices are, depends on how Congress votes. Right now, Congress is elected from a patch of land that's mostly within one to two hundred land miles of the city of Chicago in all directions. That makes Chicago the city a convenient place to put everything. If the shape of the Commonwealth changes, the convenience starts to change."

"When I was a little girl I was an American. I've spent most of my adult life as a cross between a Wisconsinite and a Chicagoan. And I love that- but I'm not married to it, if it means I get to feel like an American again."

There's that thoughtfulness that wistfulness again. Always a bit of an awkward divide here. Between those who remember, and who those of us who it's just a set of stories about when we were strong and powerful. Doubly awkward for those in Detroit. Windsor and Detroit, used to be two different cities, two different countries. People right across the river, yet they were an entirely different country, even as those all the way in Texas were American. Not sure there is any way to talk about it, to cross the barrier between those for whom it's a memory, and those for whom it's a mythology. I let her have her recollection for a bit, as she let me have my peace earlier, before returning to more mundane questions.

I heard that there is a five-year process for joining?

She is quiet for a second and takes a moment to scan the horizon before answering, or perhaps merely not facing me, when she turns back, her expression is neutral.

"As of right now, that is true. I'd be stepping on the toes of about three too many Cabinet secretaries if I said much about the strange mysteries called negotiations and bargaining and fast-tracking, so I can't make promises."

She pauses again, shorter, this time.

"I can't. But I can hope. This city's sure as hell earned it."

What if we want to join an alliance, but aren't ready to incorporate? Could you see that?

"I could see that."

What about Toledo? You see movement on the warlord after this?

Sara gives a grunt as she thinks about it.

"After a Victorian army's been through, and everything else that's already happened, I don't think things will be the same for Toledo as they were before. That much I can say for sure. So things are going to move. If I honestly thought I knew which way, I'd tell you. But I don't."

And if we lose?

"I'd be worrying about that more if the Vics still had two armies closing in on the city. I doubt I'm giving much away by saying Ron's planning to cut off Victoria's right one along with their left one, too. But maybe I'd have come back and joined the guerillas. I bet I can still give pointers on how to put the L in an L-shaped ambush."

That wolfish grin, the one that promises joyful wrath, comes out again.

"Seriously. I know Sara, and I know, well, a lot of Congress. We're not going to stop this war while there's a Victorian stomping-boot west of, oh, the eighty-second meridian's a pretty popular dividing line back in Congress. Eighty-one. Eighty. Something like that. Me, I disagree, I say we should keep fighting until we've pushed them about three or four hundred miles out into the Atlantic, but I'm Crazy Cousin Sara for a reason. When the smoke clears at the end of this war, Detroit won't be on Victoria's side of any line the Commonwealth's willing to stop at."

"So if they suddenly pull a long string of miracles out of their butts and start winning for a change, we'll keep on coming back. And back. And back. Until they either give up or run out of warm bodies, if we have to. Because if you keep at it, you really can get ALL the Nazi goon squads. It's hell while they're around, hell, but you can get every last one, until none are left, if you don't back down. And the Commonwealth is done backing down."

Anything else you'd want to say?

She gets quiet for a minute, considering but continues quickly.

"Once, about a hundred years before your time or mine, this city used to be called the Arsenal of Democracy- for a good reason. It'd make an old lady happy in her declining years to see it happen over again. Detroit's making the world's news right now because of its position. Maybe we can make Detroit famous for its heavy metal again."

I'm left wondering about this. Had it come from all the nostalgia about America in our interview? Thinking back to what could be? Always did love that bit of our history, showing we are more than the Victorians think of us. I love the fantasy, our Camelot, and Sara sells it well. Granted, my more cynical side points out I talked about this before in my articles so maybe she's just read up on them.

Final question, I hear rumors there was a Victorian Assassin up in Chicago. As a person who apparently has, and I can't imagine why, annoyed the Victoria's with their writing, Any advice?

"Hmm. Well, again, I'm the crazy one, but my advice is to set traps, like for any other kind of rat."

Her eyes narrow, and again, it is a good stare, harsh and full of promises, but it lacks a certain cold wrath. A certain believe that you are inherently a stain, to be done with as others please. Her stare still thinks I'm human.

"Has someone been telling tales?"

Just what the papers published on the trial. Are there tales I should have heard?

"I tell you what, if you're still writing newspaper columns in ten or fifteen years, and I'm still kicking around, I'll tell you. For now, I think I'd better keep it my secret." She winks.

It is with that that the technical stops, and we go our separate ways. She to her artillery, and me to other interviews. In the end, we both have things to get through, and with the Victorians hanging over our heads, far too little time to do it.

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All Credit to @Simon_Jester for the Crossover idea, writing Sara's portions, and a good deal of editing on mine.
*happy wriggling*

My two favorite omake contributors, coming together in collaboration! Today is a good day! :D Canon and thank you both very much!
I read that as Toledo vs. Commonwealth the first time around - probably because of the preceding line) and my heart just about stopped until I got to reading through the roll breakdown and saw they were up against the Victorians.
It was my intention all along. :drevil:
@PoptartProdigy What's the artillery of Toledo's divisions like? Do they have tube guns as well (and if so, how many), or is it just infantry mortars?
Jack tells you that it's mortars for days.
You had too much fun with this.
I think I had the exactly correct amount of fun with this. :p
[] Ask the City council, use the loot from the ship raid to help influence them to agree to Welcome Toledo Aid

@PoptartProdigy does something like this seem workable? Do our diplomats feel like it would be likely to work?
Workable, will probably work.
 
Canon Omake: Another Night On the Raisin Line...
Here's another omake. Again, recommend any edits...
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Another Night on the Raisin Line

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From the Diary of Corporal Billy Sims…​

Monroe, Michigan
April(?) 3, 2075

I woke up tonight to someone screaming.

I've been getting rather good at identifying screams lately. It's a common phenomenon in the few weeks we've been dug in along the Raisin. There are a whole bunch of causes. Some of them are even from actual injuries. A chunk of shrapnel lodged in a man's gut. A commie bullet in the shoulder fired from across the river. Twice it was a branch lodged in someone's back, blown off one of the few remaining trees in this stretch of what used to be a park.

And once in a while, it's from an artillery shell that somehow managed to land at just the right spot to make sure the poor sons of bitches live for a few minutes more. McCroskey found that out the hard way. Poor kid shrieked soprano for a full six minutes straight as his stomach fell out from under him.

But other times, it's from the kids who finally can't take it anymore. The sobs of some poor schmuck who lost three friends in a single day to machine gun fire. The screeches of a guy who couldn't wake himself up from a new night terror. The cries of yet another poor soul as Chicago's heavy artillery lands in another ear-splitting roar and fractures the last of their sanity, waking the entire squad before some CMC jackoff put a bullet in them.

So, when this new one came just after midnight, my brain woke up before the rest of me did.

It was plainly from someone in pain, not terror. It was also too sharp and quick, which means its owner wasn't at death's door just yet. It was also too coherent, and judging from the pitch, it sounded more like someone burned their hand than got shot.

I opened one eye to see Plum in a frenzy. A rat the size of a tabby cat hung off his cheek, its teeth clamped shut around what it thought was its next meal.

I shit you not. The fucker was about two feet long with a tail as long as my rifle.

Staudinger and Drummer were already on top of him when I yanked out my bayonet and rammed the blade down that rodent's center mass, the fucking carrion-feeder letting out a screechy death rattle through its teeth. Plum wouldn't stop yelling for us to get the fucking rat off his face. It wasn't until I finally used the bayonet to chop off the rat's snout that Doc was finally able to start pulling its teeth off Plum.

Sergeant Montfort came over later and got a good look at our rat, which excused us from having to explain anything. I tossed its corpse over the top of the trench. The other rats can have it.

So that's another scream for me to recognize – hungry rat bite. Fan-fucking-tastic.

Maybe I should sleep with something on my face tonight.
 
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I think we should send in the air force as they won't face any serious resistance and it will wrap up the battle easier and faster.
It is most definitely not worth it because the planes that can run CAS will be vulnerable to Manpads. We've already won. The Toledo forces hitting the Vics seal the deal.

There is little reason to risk our experienced pilots when we need those pilots to teach more pilots.

We will probably outnumber the Vics or at least have numerical parity. 0lus we have our gunships providing fire support.
 
Here's another omake. Again, recommend any edits...
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Another Night on the Raisin Line

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From the Diary of Corporal Billy Sims…​

Monroe, Michigan
April(?) 3, 2075

I woke up tonight to someone screaming.

I've been getting rather good at identifying screams lately. It's a common phenomenon in the few weeks we've been dug in along the Raisin. There are a whole bunch of causes. Some of them are even from actual injuries. A chunk of shrapnel lodged in a man's gut. A commie bullet in the shoulder fired from across the river. Twice it was a branch lodged in someone's back, blown off one of the few remaining trees in this stretch of what used to be a park.

And once in a while, it's from an artillery shell that somehow managed to at just the right spot to make sure the poor sons of bitches live for a few minutes more. McCroskey found that out the hard way. Poor kid shrieked soprano for a full six minutes straight as his stomach fell out from under him.

But other times, it's from the kids who finally can't take it anymore. The sobs of some poor schmuck who loses three friends in a single day to machine gun fire. The screeches of a guy who can't wake himself up from a new night terror. The cries of yet another poor soul as Chicago's heavy artillery lands in another ear-splitting roar and fractures the last of their sanity, waking the entire squad before some CMC jackoff put a bullet in them.

So, when this new one came just after midnight, my brain woke up before the rest of me did.

It was plainly from someone in pain, not terror. It was also too sharp and quick, which means its owner wasn't at death's door just yet. It was also too coherent, and judging from the pitch, its sound more like someone burned their hand than got shot.

I opened one eye to see Plum in a frenzy. A rat the size of a tabby cat hung off his cheek, its teeth clamped shut around what it thought was its next meal.

I shit you not. The fucker was about two feet long with a tail as long my rifle.

Staudinger and Drummer were already on top of him when I yanked out my bayonet and rammed the blade down the rat 's center mass, the fucking carrion-feeder letting out a screechy death rattle through its teeth. Plum wouldn't stop yelling for us to get the fucking rat off his face. It wasn't until I finally used to bayonet to chop off the rat's snout that Doc was finally able to start pulling its teeth off Plum.

Sergeant Montfort came over later and got a good look at our rat, which excused us from having to explain anything. I tossed its corpse over the top of the trench. The other rats can have it.

So that's another scream for me to recognize – hungry rat bite. Fan-fucking-tastic.

Maybe I should sleep with something on my face tonight.
*violent shudder*

Eurgh. Nicely done. Canon.
 
I don't know if this is a good idea. A reputation of "taking no prisoners" is a terrible thing to have, regardless of its falsity or the hostages held by Victorians.
That's not what I meant, so much as reporting them as "died in the fighting." Or, possibly, "body never recovered, presumed dead." Obviously, only possible if we can get the other captives to agree to it, too.

And this upends all my calculations - I'm in favor of letting Toledo join in the war, and then do what we can to work with both city-states to provide a diplomatic buffer, so that they can have time to learn to live with each other. Probably take some diplo AP to get it set up, but will also likely be a good example for getting our wary neighbors to ease up on the suspicion.

And that was a wonderful collaborative piece, especially this bit:
"Once, about a hundred years before your time or mine, this city used to be called the Arsenal of Democracy- for a good reason. It'd make an old lady happy in her declining years to see it happen over again. Detroit's making the world's news right now because of its position. Maybe we can make Detroit famous for its heavy metal again."

I'm moderately opposed to sending in air support, because we need all the trained pilots we have, to train the next group. Especially if we can get a decent number of the F-16Vs from Toledo. Because there's a chance of getting un-sabotaged engine parts from Cali. And if we can manage the diplo-fu to get Detroit and Toledo to tolerate each other, while we help both stabilize and grow, that's basically Victoria blocked from anything west of them. Well, barring unknown unknowns.

Hm. Get them to both start up baseball teams?
 
I think we should send in the air force as they won't face any serious resistance and it will wrap up the battle easier and faster.
They won't face enemy jets.

Victorian ground troops tend to be liberally equipped with shoulder-fired surface to air missiles, things comparable to the Stinger missile. These wouldn't be very effective against, say, modern-as-of-2000 jet aircraft firing the kind of air to surface weapons that were modern as of 2000. But they're definitely going to be effective against the kind of light COIN aircraft we'd be flying. Our planes would be low and slow, relatively easy to target with the light SAMs despite their limited ceiling and engagement envelope. And these weapons are likely not going to be subject to Californian sabotage, with the Victorians likely knowing how to operate them reasonably well.

We'll lose planes, which wouldn't be so bad except that we don't have the training establishment to replace the pilots.

Workable, will probably work.
Hm. Well, that's promising then. We were seriously considering giving the Victorian kit to Detroit anyway, so giving it to them in an attempt to bribe them into being accepting of Toledo joining our little coalition (the Great Lakes Treaty Organization?) is a great way to kill two birds with one stone.
 
-[ ] No. Your pilots have been through enough, and you need every bit of expert knowledge left to rebuild your air force. The Victorians may only have man-portable SAM systems, but you are unwilling to take the risk.

Our pilots have lost a lot of men, we need to conserve the remainder to preserve their experience to pass onto new pilots. Each loss we take going forward makes the rebuild that much harder.
 
Jack tells you that it's mortars for days.
And I presume they actually use forward observers with theirs. Combined with the draining of Victorian supplies (mortars included, possibly emphasized due to counter-battery fire), Toledo might be doing this push with the artillery advantage.

On another note, why did Victoria even put a whole division on the Lake Erie Islands? Were they just hoping our navy would obligingly sail into mortar range, or was it some other (possibly more intelligent) reason?
 
On another note, why did Victoria even put a whole division on the Lake Erie Islands? Were they just hoping our navy would obligingly sail into mortar range, or was it some other (possibly more intelligent) reason?
The only reason I can think of is to keep us from setting up observation posts on them, which would help with blockading Toledo... but that would require a respect for our navy, and considering logistics. Both are difficult for Victoria to do, although not impossible.
 
all i know for certain is we just expanded our lake-borne economy (well, shipping) by perhaps an order of magnitude... If for no other reason than this, we must expand our navy once we get back to regular turns
 
all i know for certain is we just expanded our lake-borne economy (well, shipping) by perhaps an order of magnitude... If for no other reason than this, we must expand our navy once we get back to regular turns

At that point when we expand our navy, I'm curious as to whether we should focus on building more of our current Des Plaines class gunboats, go for a much larger type of warship (WW1/WW2 style destroyer or something similar), focus on smaller fast craft and patrol boats, or even try to develop a submarine program based off of the one we have.
 
And I presume they actually use forward observers with theirs. Combined with the draining of Victorian supplies (mortars included, possibly emphasized due to counter-battery fire), Toledo might be doing this push with the artillery advantage.

On another note, why did Victoria even put a whole division on the Lake Erie Islands? Were they just hoping our navy would obligingly sail into mortar range, or was it some other (possibly more intelligent) reason?
Alas, you are not privy to Victoria's strategic planning meetings.

You've never even been to that diner (yes, this is canonically the administrative tradition Rumford left the Victorian Army and the CMC).

Burns has speculated, though, and in practical terms, those islands are a perfect position for a forward operating base, either for you or for them. Like, look at them. They stretch almost all the way from Sandusky to Leamington. They who controls those islands decides who gets to enter or leave the western part of Lake Erie. I mean, zoom in for a really close look. For the Victorian mortar teams, anybody not hugging the north shore of the lake is within 120mm mortar range of an island -- and remember, they figured that they'd shortly be owning Leamington, meaning that the entire approach would be under their guns. Definitely ties into their general strategy of using land-based mortar fire to render your navy irrelevant, wouldn't you say? Not that that worked, especially since their hold on Leamington is shattered and you can now pass out into the eastern reaches of the Lake safely, but still.

And even without that, they certainly wanted to deny them to you. With your heavy artillery, the whole approach past those islands is reachable, easily, and forget about having to hold either shoreline. Even if you didn't have so much as a speedboat carrying guys with pistols, holding those islands would allow you to blockade the west end of the Lake without ever entering visual range of Toledo. The Victorians would need to commit to sweeping those islands clear if ever they wanted to get invasion forces past Detroit. Like, Detroit was the flashpoint for this war because it's the mega-chokepoint for transit between the Lower Lakes and Upper Lakes, but the Lake Erie Islands are only slightly less significant.

Furthermore, the biggest island is 10-20 miles from the landing zones at Leamington, making it the perfect place from which to launch an invasion there. Realistically, while this is by far one of the least significant actual concerns the Victorians should have had in taking the islands, Burns thinks this was foremost in their thoughts. He could be wrong, though, and in hindsight, he likely partially is. After all, the islands making a good jump-off for an amphibious landing doesn't merit a whole division as a garrison. Maybe there was somebody with a sense of logistics present, and he pushed hard enough for a substantial garrison that the others gave in just to make him shut up.
 
Furthermore, the biggest island is 10-20 miles from the landing zones at Leamington, making it the perfect place from which to launch an invasion there. Realistically, while this is by far one of the least significant actual concerns the Victorians should have had in taking the islands, Burns thinks this was foremost in their thoughts. He could be wrong, though, and in hindsight, he likely partially is. After all, the islands making a good jump-off for an amphibious landing doesn't merit a whole division as a garrison. Maybe there was somebody with a sense of logistics present, and he pushed hard enough for a substantial garrison that the others gave in just to make him shut up.

man, I hope its not a supply dump. that would make starving them out take forever.
 
Alas, you are not privy to Victoria's strategic planning meetings.

You've never even been to that diner (yes, this is canonically the administrative tradition Rumford left the Victorian Army and the CMC).

Burns has speculated, though, and in practical terms, those islands are a perfect position for a forward operating base, either for you or for them. Like, look at them. They stretch almost all the way from Sandusky to Leamington. They who controls those islands decides who gets to enter or leave the western part of Lake Erie. I mean, zoom in for a really close look. For the Victorian mortar teams, anybody not hugging the north shore of the lake is within 120mm mortar range of an island -- and remember, they figured that they'd shortly be owning Leamington, meaning that the entire approach would be under their guns. Definitely ties into their general strategy of using land-based mortar fire to render your navy irrelevant, wouldn't you say? Not that that worked, especially since their hold on Leamington is shattered and you can now pass out into the eastern reaches of the Lake safely, but still.

And even without that, they certainly wanted to deny them to you. With your heavy artillery, the whole approach past those islands is reachable, easily, and forget about having to hold either shoreline. Even if you didn't have so much as a speedboat carrying guys with pistols, holding those islands would allow you to blockade the west end of the Lake without ever entering visual range of Toledo. The Victorians would need to commit to sweeping those islands clear if ever they wanted to get invasion forces past Detroit. Like, Detroit was the flashpoint for this war because it's the mega-chokepoint for transit between the Lower Lakes and Upper Lakes, but the Lake Erie Islands are only slightly less significant.

Furthermore, the biggest island is 10-20 miles from the landing zones at Leamington, making it the perfect place from which to launch an invasion there. Realistically, while this is by far one of the least significant actual concerns the Victorians should have had in taking the islands, Burns thinks this was foremost in their thoughts. He could be wrong, though, and in hindsight, he likely partially is. After all, the islands making a good jump-off for an amphibious landing doesn't merit a whole division as a garrison. Maybe there was somebody with a sense of logistics present, and he pushed hard enough for a substantial garrison that the others gave in just to make him shut up.
And now they are stuck there.

Hope they brought their water wings.
 
I am honestly not keen on bribing Detroit to accept our choice. If they object, we should put our foot down. Burns is in charge here, and while it is Detroit that will suffer should we (somehow) fail, it's mostly Commonwealth soldiers dying out there right now. Toledo's intervention on our behalf could save hundreds of lives, and an alliance with them is a good strategic move. As long as we agree to accept any responsibility for this going south, which we should do anyway, Detroit has no reasonable grounds on which to object.

If they really are unhappy about this, we can address those concerns during the post-battle peace discussions. I expect we'll be splitting up the various spoils of war with Detroit, regardless of whether they object to this or not. If we have to buy their goodwill we can do it then. And frankly, I doubt it'll get that far. Any bad feelings are likely to be washed away in the victory celebrations.
 
Actually, now that I think about it - there might be a way of getting air support without risking losing a bunch of pilots. I'm thinking if we could send a few of our pilots and a bunch of technicians into Toledo by boat they might be able to get a dozen or so planes capable of flying one sortie without turning. They wouldn't have much in the way off standoff munitions but the VAF planes are generally capable of performing anti-ground strikes without getting down into range of the sort of MANPAD equipment the Vicky ground forces usually have, and even one round of air support is better than nothing.

@PoptartProdigy have we got word from the Toledans on how many VAF planes were captured and what sort of shape they're in?
 
Do we know what happened to all the supplies on the now mostly empty cargo ships we just seized? Did they return the supplies to Buffalo before their suicide mission or did they dump all the supplies on the garrison forces on the islands?

I am honestly not keen on bribing Detroit to accept our choice. If they object, we should put our foot down. Burns is in charge here, and while it is Detroit that will suffer should we (somehow) fail, it's mostly Commonwealth soldiers dying out there right now. Toledo's intervention on our behalf could save hundreds of lives, and an alliance with them is a good strategic move. As long as we agree to accept any responsibility for this going south, which we should do anyway, Detroit has no reasonable grounds on which to object.

If they really are unhappy about this, we can address those concerns during the post-battle peace discussions. I expect we'll be splitting up the various spoils of war with Detroit, regardless of whether they object to this or not. If we have to buy their goodwill we can do it then. And frankly, I doubt it'll get that far. Any bad feelings are likely to be washed away in the victory celebrations.
I agree. As I said before, better to ask forgiveness than permission when sudden golden opportunities like this one arise.
 
Actually, now that I think about it - there might be a way of getting air support without risking losing a bunch of pilots. I'm thinking if we could send a few of our pilots and a bunch of technicians into Toledo by boat they might be able to get a dozen or so planes capable of flying one sortie without turning. They wouldn't have much in the way off standoff munitions but the VAF planes are generally capable of performing anti-ground strikes without getting down into range of the sort of MANPAD equipment the Vicky ground forces usually have, and even one round of air support is better than nothing.

@PoptartProdigy have we got word from the Toledans on how many VAF planes were captured and what sort of shape they're in?
The VAF is split between people spitting fire and venom at their captors and those who are desperately confused about what they should be doing (under Geneva standards, no less!) and have defaulted to being as helpful as possible (this is what happens when you don't train your people to be captured, Victoria). The latter group has been able to say that they have identified twenty-one fighters as cleared for flight. A further twelve are downed for maintenance. Mostly engine problems.

And frankly, some of the twenty-one are only cleared because they're starting to run low.

As for Cessnas, hoo boy. Strictly speaking, not Cessnas. The R-3 Vulture currently is represented by 214 planes in various states of repair or disrepair.

It's also a piston-engine, unarmed scout plane with a low ceiling, horrible maneuverability, no speed, and with a structure that an M4A1 Carbine could savage, but you now can say that you own 214 of them.
Do we know what happened to all the supplies on the now mostly empty cargo ships we just seized? Did they return the supplies to Buffalo before their suicide mission or did they dump all the supplies on the garrison forces on the islands?
Unloaded on the islands.
 
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