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so this ship has all the supplies the Victorians have for this conflict?
Well, not quite. The Victorians loaded three ships full of supplies to try and resupply the Leamington force, and this one got grounded while the other two were forced back.

The forces that moved from Toledo have whatever supplies were already dropped off there (which is a hefty stockpile), but IIRC, that's all they're getting.
 
7+2 vs 6+1. Goddamn that roll was close.

Who was it that quoted how luck tends to factor into military victories?
 
I wonder what the after-Effect of letting the observers watch these battles will be. If they go well, I can very easily imagine that a number of reports will be sent home with the implications that Russia can no longer afford their puppet state, followed by questions of what's causing issues at home.
 
7+2 vs 6+1. Goddamn that roll was close.

Who was it that quoted how luck tends to factor into military victories?
Napoleon is said to have once asked "I know he is a good general, but is he lucky?"

I think it's said he was talking about how the best generals don't just play by the book, but are capable of taking the moments of luck that inevitably happen in war and turning them into results.
 
So the good news is that we have secured a giant tanker full of supplies.
The bad news is that said tanker remains stuck in the middle of a lake.

How are we planning to get hundreds/thousands of tons worth of supplies off the tanker and to our troops?
 
The Laker did not have all of the Victorians' supplies, it had roughly a third of the supplies intended for the Eastern Force drawn from the Southern Force's stocks after we sunk all of their initial materiel during the landing.
 
So the good news is that we have secured a giant tanker full of supplies.
The bad news is that said tanker remains stuck in the middle of a lake.

How are we planning to get hundreds/thousands of tons worth of supplies off the tanker and to our troops?
With the Victorians removed, Detroit can send out civilian ships to loot and/or tow it.
-[ ] The Navy will withdraw from Monroe; you don't think you need them. Instead, they will go to that grounded laker ship and have their marine complements board it, clearing out the Victorian soldiers and making it so civilian vessels from Detroit can begin looting the vessel.
 
Do we know if there was anything in that ship that'll give us an immediate tactical boon, or will this just make it easier to raise new divisions in the future?
 
so they have low morale and now no way to get more supplies. there is no way they can continue with there push as they will run out of supplies quickly
 
Do we know if there was anything in that ship that'll give us an immediate tactical boon, or will this just make it easier to raise new divisions in the future?
From Poptart:
It depends on what the supply ship has, but at minimum you would be able to bolster your current forces' equipment. You would almost certainly be capable of outfitting more divisions with the proceeds from an 80,000 long-ton-capacity cargo ship.
So, it probably will bolster our current equipment if it can be unloaded and sent to our divisions fast enough. Might depend on how much time the Raisin Line buys us.

so they have low morale and now no way to get more supplies. there is no way they can continue with there push as they will run out of supplies quickly
They don't have low morale yet. In fact, they still have the Fanaticism. We're hoping to get rid of that by turning the Raisin Line into a meatgrinder, but at the moment, they're still on high morale.
 
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Makes me wonder if the delays we've caused the Victorians will have some similar boni for our defenses (from more time to fortify and whatnot.) You know, aside from allowing us time to reposition our forces.

Eh, we'll find out soon enough.
Not as much. The laker, however large, is a ship. Lots of chokepoints, only so many ways to approach the scuttling charges even when you find them. It also gives you all the time you need to rig several redundant blasting points in the ship's payload.

On a broad front, it's not as simple. For one thing, you can't repurpose a literal mountain of supplies into as many booby traps as you like. You can't guarantee that you only need to trap a handful of person-wide passages. It's bigger and harder to secure, and more work is involved in securing a riverbank than there is in blocking or trapping a corridor.
 
I'm glad the plan where we did not send the whole fleet lost, they would have likely lost the laker due to having less fire support.
 
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The dice Hate Victoria. As they should. As we all should.
I think they sometimes have a soft spot for the Victorian air force, though, probably because they are chronically bullied by all the other Victorians for being nerds.

So the good news is that we have secured a giant tanker full of supplies.
The bad news is that said tanker remains stuck in the middle of a lake.

How are we planning to get hundreds/thousands of tons worth of supplies off the tanker and to our troops?
Given that we have total naval superiority and the Victorian Air Force is being attrited into impotence as we speak, we can probably just send civilian ships full of guys with big hairy arms to shift the cargo themselves, though it'll be pretty important to get any deck cranes and stuff working to do it in a reasonably timely manner.

so they have low morale and now no way to get more supplies. there is no way they can continue with there push as they will run out of supplies quickly
This is very far from their only supplies. They had at least two other very large freighters, and probably many small ones not even involved in the invasion efforts we've sunk so far.

The main thing impairing them is that with the VAF now chewed up to the point where they might actually LOSE a cage match where they try to sink our gunboats by strafing and/or ramming attacks, we can cut any lake-borne resupply into Toledo at will, something we hadn't really done up to this point.
 
The dice Hate Victoria. As they should. As we all should.

A podcast episode just came out about the founder of this strain of madness, and boy is that right. It's also downright suspicious how many Linds/Lynds/Lyndas are involved.




Seven ate Nine?



At long last, we can realize the Chicago dream of taping a bunch of guns together into one shooty mass and issuing the abomination to our soldiers as standard issue.

With at least three guns facing in every conceivable direction, the Victorians can never ambush them again!

Hrmmm... The conventional laws of war no longer apply, right?



I wonder what the after-Effect of letting the observers watch these battles will be. If they go well, I can very easily imagine that a number of reports will be sent home with the implications that Russia can no longer afford their puppet state, followed by questions of what's causing issues at home.

Russia declares war and floods the entire area with RPGs in between spetsnaz attacks. This is a setting written by a guy who thinks that Imperial Russia could ship in a hundred T-34s without the federal government noticing and responding, and who wants even current-era police forces to carry armor-piercing rocket propelled grenades as standard issue equipment.
 
Russia declares war and floods the entire area with RPGs in between spetsnaz attacks. This is a setting written by a guy who thinks that Imperial Russia could ship in a hundred T-34s without the federal government noticing and responding, and who wants even current-era police forces to carry armor-piercing rocket propelled grenades as standard issue equipment.
Nono, it's better. He didn't think the federal government would fail to notice the T-34s. He had them notice the completely unhidden and unobfuscated cargo ship just fine. A destroyer responded and hauled over the ship.

And was promptly sunk by a Russian submarine.

With no international diplomatic consequences.
 
I wonder what shape the Laker is in. It could be useful to our navy as a logistics carrier if it can be refloated.
 
who wants even current-era police forces to carry armor-piercing rocket propelled grenades as standard issue equipment.
Hrm, thinking about it in more detail, this might actually make sense. The book seems to imply that Lind wants to go back to agrarian society. If the police force blows up a part of the city with mass RPG fire every time they respond to a crime, that's certainly going to accelerate the process.
 
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I wonder what shape the Laker is in. It could be useful to our navy as a logistics carrier if it can be refloated.
I earlier speculated that a ship that size, quite possibly too big to fit through the Welland Canal unless the Victorians, atypically, expanded said canal, was all the more expendable to the Viks because it's largely useless with Detroit closing off their access to Lakes Huron, Michigan, and possibly Superior.
 
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