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Just like the Victorian government, the CML sees Cultural Marxism as an attempt by shadowy academics to destroy the existing social order. But the CML takes this idea and turns it on its head. They believe that the Cultural-Marxist world before Victoria was the real culture of America. A culture that spread the idea of equality across the globe until it was destroyed by insidious Victorian reactionaries who destroyed the world in the process. They hope that by spreading counterculture and "proper Culturally-Marxist ideas" they can subvert Victoria from within and forge a better society.


It's beautiful, really.
 
So I got kinda bored at work the other day and thought I'd try my hand at an Omake worldbuilding...thing. I tried to make it sort of in the style of an old BBC documentary.

Victorian Dissident: The Cultural Marxist League of Victoria (CML-VIC)

Nighttime in Augusta. A man runs through rain-slick streets, glancing about nervously and tucking himself deeper into his trenchcoat. He ducks into an alleyway, looks around, and then knocks. The first three fast, then two more after a pause. The door opens, and the man skulks in. This man has just entered the shadowy world of the Victorian Dissidents.
To an outside observer, the Retroculture regime in Augusta may seem ironclad. Government footage always shows happy farmers going about their day, and the leadership's referenda are inevitably approved by a vast majority of the population.
Dig in the right places, however, and one might find a whole smattering of dissenting groups, gathering in sheds and backrooms. Always just one raid away from a painful death, theirs is a world of paranoia and secrecy. Where even a single tip-off to the Christian Marine Corps can put whole families in danger of disappearing without a trace. Yet despite the risk they still gather in a myriad of small movements. They range from simple bands of friends to organised resistance cells with perhaps thousands of members. And one of the stranger of these is a loose group known as the
Cultural Marxist League of Victoria.

Cultural Marxism is a strange and concept. It is the great nemesis in Victoria's Retroculture ideology. And yet it is also loose, formless, and seemingly whatever the Victorian state wishes it to be. It is everywhere and yet nowhere. The monster under Victoria's bed.
In short, a very attractive idea for rebellious youths who wanted to distance themselves from everything Victorian.
With access to actual dissident literature limited by constant government surveillance, some young students instead opted to cobble together their own ideology from a mixture of repurposed government propaganda, youth counterculture and whatever scraps of actual Marxist literature they managed to get off the black market.
Just like the Victorian government, the CML sees Cultural Marxism as an attempt by shadowy academics to destroy the existing social order. But the CML takes this idea and turns it on its head. They believe that the Cultural-Marxist world before Victoria was the real culture of America. A culture that spread the idea of equality across the globe until it was destroyed by insidious Victorian reactionaries who destroyed the world in the process. They hope that by spreading counterculture and "proper Culturally-Marxist ideas" they can subvert Victoria from within and forge a better society.

The CML is a fringe group even among the small collection of dissidents that we know of. They are largely non-violent, being mostly interested in trying to discover "Proper Culturally-Marxist" fields of academia such as Women's Studies. This has led to other Diddident groups viewing themt perhsps rather unfairly, as squabbling teenagers playing at dissent. Even so, it would be a mistake to mistake this for weakness. To oppose the regime in Victoria, always just one raid away from a painful end, takes plenty of bravery and a willingness to get one's hands dirty.

The future of these groups is never secure. Yet one thing's for sure: For as long as the regime in Augusta remains, there will always be those men and women who wish to join the ranks of...the
Victorian Dissidents.

I can't wait for the Chicago RevCom Party to meet them in the flesh :lol
 
Well, once sister Cali sends their "fuck you" to Victoria I see no reason why we couldn't buy some of their F-16s. Maybe even the schematics if we can upgrade our industrial/tech base enough to be able to build them.

It's in their interest too after all. They want and NEED all the help they can get
The biggest obstacle there is the total destruction of all viable shipping routes between us and them. The Great Plains and the Rockies are full of potentially hostile (though probably in some cases bribable) warlords, so the land routes are kaput, and the Russians control the Panama Canal and have more naval force projection power than California, so shipping cargo to us is likely to be a nonstarter.

I'm not sure how they'd even get the planes to us in the first place. We'd have to do something pretty weird and difficult to get through. Like build a chain of fortress-airstrips out west of the Mississippi with lean manpower requirements and supplied entirely by a cargo plane fleet we don't have.

Getting the schematics to us would be more practical, but then we'd almost certainly run into industrial base deficiencies.

I think it's plausible that you could develop a submarine capable of operating the other Great Lakes, since they're one of the few lakes deep enough to make it work. I don't think it's practical, to be honest, but I think someone could probably develop a functioning sub. Still, Lake Erie is where we'll be fighting for the foreseeable future, and I just don't think submarine warfare is workable in 10-20 meters of water.
Even being able to submerge in 10-20 meters of water means you don't stick out like a sore thumb on maritime search radar or to the naked eye, which vastly complicates the task of finding you. Such shallow waters also make it difficult to use sonar because you're operating in a much more "cluttered" environment, what with all the noises bouncing off the lake/seabed.

The idea of us using pocket submarines against the Viks if/when we can secure Detroit as a forward naval base isn't stupid, though with our limited industrial base it may be better for us to pursue other options, in my opinion.

Or we could be using surface ships and land batteries equipped with primitive (for the present day) anti-ship missiles that would be hard to deal with even if the Victorians pulled out Russotech out of their asses after running into it. Said capability would still retain relevance both as the basis of working out doctrine and for training rather than having to be ditched as fast as possible when we have to confront opponents who are not the Victorians or if the Victorians are gifted technology for use because said capability was gutting them.

Plus the design and doctrine choices necessary for successful submarines makes it harder for a successful submersible raider (or group of raiders) to destroy entire convoys down to the last ship. The larger ammo pools of gun weapons and the longer range of missiles makes it easier for surface raiders to do said task.
These, on the other hand, are good points.

The Victorians have radar, so I'm almost certain they also have sonar.
I strongly suspect the radar our ships ran into around Buffalo was standard maritime search radar from fixed shore-based installations, and was probably intended as much for maritime traffic control as anything else. It's likely to be a fixed installation or set of installations somewhere on the shore, possibly legacy tech from before the Collapse, possibly supplied by the Russians.
 
The biggest obstacle there is the total destruction of all viable shipping routes between us and them. The Great Plains and the Rockies are full of potentially hostile (though probably in some cases bribable) warlords, so the land routes are kaput, and the Russians control the Panama Canal and have more naval force projection power than California, so shipping cargo to us is likely to be a nonstarter.

I'm not sure how they'd even get the planes to us in the first place. We'd have to do something pretty weird and difficult to get through. Like build a chain of fortress-airstrips out west of the Mississippi with lean manpower requirements and supplied entirely by a cargo plane fleet we don't have.

Getting the schematics to us would be more practical, but then we'd almost certainly run into industrial base deficiencies.

They did manage to get a representative out our way somehow so that suggests high-priority couriers and other similar means of transporting technical data is well within the realm of possibility. From what searching I did there were definitely lots of civilian aircraft manufacturers located in Indiana, Illinois and other places within reach.

The big problem is the main military producers were either in Virginia (Northrop Grumman), Washington (Boeing) or Los Angeles (Lockheed Martin/Raytheon). The other big problem is those old civilian producers, along with not having the necessary stuff for building supersonic aircraft, are also probably less salvageable factories and more some technicians, parts and if we're really damn lucky machine tools and schematics.
 
Would even Victoria acknowledge its own defeat?
They have no choice, they announced war against Detroit and us publicly and have been trying to get our neighboring city states to fight against us. Victoria has been making such a big deal out of us to the rest of America, us defeating Victoria would show other city states our strength and Victoria's weakness
 
They have no choice, they announced war against Detroit and us publicly and have been trying to get our neighboring city states to fight against us. Victoria has been making such a big deal out of us to the rest of America, us defeating Victoria would show other city states our strength and Victoria's weakness

Which may also inspire any neighbors who don't like them to take some shots of opportunity.
 
They did manage to get a representative out our way somehow so that suggests high-priority couriers and other similar means of transporting technical data is well within the realm of possibility.
Yeah, I figure.

My best bet for how the NCR envoy got to us, and for that matter how we get people in and out in general, is one of two ways:

1) A Russian-approved mission or Russian-accepted passenger transport via the Panama Canal, into which covert NCR agents are inserted. Note that officially the NCR envoy was here to disapprove of us...

PoptartProdigy said:
Sandra straightens her shoulders. "Well, isn't this delightful. I'm not here to renew acquaintances. I'm here to deliver my government's official greeting." She clears her throat. "'The New California Republic would like to express its deep concerns about the Chicagoland region's eagerness to place itself under the rule of a notorious outlaw and warlord, and condemns in the strongest possible terms Ron Burns's massacre of Victorian aid workers in the region over the last year.' And now that that's out of the way..." She pulls a file folder out of her briefcase and tosses it your way. "You have a problem."

Or...

2) A chain of floatplane bases set up to land on various lakes and rivers that can be secured relatively easily. It's not hard to imagine semi-regular travel up and down the Mississippi this way, but getting over the Rockies like that could be a problem.

They have no choice, they announced war against Detroit and us publicly and have been trying to get our neighboring city states to fight against us. Victoria has been making such a big deal out of us to the rest of America, us defeating Victoria would show other city states our strength and Victoria's weakness
It will probably help a lot if we take the Counter-Strike option that was available on Turn 3, in an attempt to start getting word of our existence and actions out to the world at large independently.
 
I'm not sure how they'd even get the planes to us in the first place. We'd have to do something pretty weird and difficult to get through. Like build a chain of fortress-airstrips out west of the Mississippi with lean manpower requirements and supplied entirely by a cargo plane fleet we don't have.

Fly them?

F-16 combat distance is 500ish miles. But it's total range without armaments is 2,425 miles, at least for some variants. The distance from California to Chicago is 1,727 miles. It's completely viable to fly them. The armaments are a bit trickier, but that's what using cargo hauler planes are for. The bigger question is what could we give them to make it worth their while. Most of our goods aren't high value enough to make air shipping viable. Though based on previous Russian Victorian strategy, they are likely to start using mercenaries to attack California from the West, offering to take the pressure off there might be worth planes.
 
Let it be known far and wide that I am still of the opinion that Sister Cali is going to need every airframe she can possibly get her hands on, and that we should do our damnedest to kickstart local production instead. Of course, they could send over an expert and a bunch of technical documents, but beyond that we're going to be on our own.

EDIT: I forget who it was and if it was said here or on the Discord, but somebody said that if we can force the Vicks to put their jets up as escorts for every f***ing convoy they try to send out, then mission f***ing accomplished, because the more flight hours those jets are getting, the greater the strain on Victoria's ability to fuel and maintain them. Even if whatever crap-jet or mini-sub we send out takes one look at the enemy and decides discretion is the better half of valor, the fact that we are forcing them to use up a limited resource is still a net plus.
 
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Let it be known far and wide that I am still of the opinion that Sister Cali is going to need every airframe she can possibly get her hands on, and that we should do our damnedest to kickstart local production instead. Of course, they could send over an expert and a bunch of technical documents, but beyond that we're going to be on our own.
You may well be right. Of course, the odds are that they'll be making airframes from the production line tooling for modern fighters more competitive with what the Russians will be using (i.e. F-35s if they have 'em), and may actually not need the tooling they currently use to make the export F-16Vs for the Viks.

At the same time, certain key supplies (such as aircraft aluminum itself, and skilled labor) may be required to operate either production line, and the NCR isn't some kind of industrial superpower that can afford to make military supplies for allies en masse like something along the lines of Lend-Lease. So you're probably right.

The trouble is that I've seen no evidence that we're capable of large-scale production of serious military-grade hardware more sophisticated than historical 1950s or '60s equipment...

EDIT: I forget who it was and if it was said here or on the Discord, but somebody said that if we can force the Vicks to put their jets up as escorts for every f***ing convoy they try to send out, then mission f***ing accomplished, because the more flight hours those jets are getting, the greater the strain on Victoria's ability to fuel and maintain them. Even if whatever crap-jet or mini-sub we send out takes one look at the enemy and decides discretion is the better half of valor, the fact that we are forcing them to use up a limited resource is still a net plus.
Agreed.
 
The trouble is that I've seen no evidence that we're capable of large-scale production of serious military-grade hardware more sophisticated than historical 1950s or '60s equipment...

If we could produce, say, F-4s en masse then that could do the trick. They can't beat an F-16 in a dogfight but if we can get our production up to where we're churning out two to three Phantoms for every F-16 they've got (quite doable given their shit industrial base) then we win on the exchange ratios anyway.

It's a brutal calculus to make but the one place we probably have good odds of beating the Vicks in a head-to-head confrontation is on the factory floor simply because they've sworn off anything newer than 1930. That would go double if we can refurb/reconstruct/implement automation at scale.
 
If we could produce, say, F-4s en masse then that could do the trick. They can't beat an F-16 in a dogfight but if we can get our production up to where we're churning out two to three Phantoms for every F-16 they've got (quite doable given their shit industrial base) then we win on the exchange ratios anyway.

It's a brutal calculus to make but the one place we probably have good odds of beating the Vicks in a head-to-head confrontation is on the factory floor simply because they've sworn off anything newer than 1930. That would go double if we can refurb/reconstruct/implement automation at scale.
And with good doctrine/updated radars we can make the exchange rate significantly better than that. Just focus on BVR/never getting too close. And something like 1.5:1 is possible assuming they are flying well-maintained birds.
 
WAIT A MINUTE

Victoria no longer has the boats to supply the landing...

Victoria is also supplying Toledo by sea because the roads are fucked...

Victoria's planes are at Toledo...

this is way better than expected
 
Speaking of submarines... we've got this baby sitting in the Museum of Science and Industry: U-505 Submarine

The U-505, a Type IXC U-boat, captured by United States Navy Task Group 22.3 on 04JUN1944. And when they put her in the Museum, they called all the companies that had built her asking for help restoring her. The German companies were so proud of their ship, they all for free supplied all the parts needed to get her back to full fighting trim. And she's spent the rest of the time since in a nice, climate controlled underground gallery built for her.

So tl;dr - We've got an intact, restored-to-like-new U-Boat sitting in Chicago. Just saying...
 
Speaking of submarines... we've got this baby sitting in the Museum of Science and Industry: U-505 Submarine

The U-505, a Type IXC U-boat, captured by United States Navy Task Group 22.3 on 04JUN1944. And when they put her in the Museum, they called all the companies that had built her asking for help restoring her. The German companies were so proud of their ship, they all for free supplied all the parts needed to get her back to full fighting trim. And she's spent the rest of the time since in a nice, climate controlled underground gallery built for her.

So tl;dr - We've got an intact, restored-to-like-new U-Boat sitting in Chicago. Just saying...

Also notable because one of the last people to command it during WW2 committed suicide while in the submarine's command room, in front of most of the crew, so it's definitely not cursed OR haunted.
 
If we could produce, say, F-4s en masse then that could do the trick. They can't beat an F-16 in a dogfight but if we can get our production up to where we're churning out two to three Phantoms for every F-16 they've got (quite doable given their shit industrial base) then we win on the exchange ratios anyway.

It's a brutal calculus to make but the one place we probably have good odds of beating the Vicks in a head-to-head confrontation is on the factory floor simply because they've sworn off anything newer than 1930. That would go double if we can refurb/reconstruct/implement automation at scale.
You're not wrong.

On the other hand, at some point the Viks will realize they either need to gear up and get some shots in against us, or just give the hell up and rename their country "Defeatia." And the Russians almost certainly have a spare set of MiG-29 production tooling they can fire up and start turning out new planes for the Viks.

So the situation is a bit more complicated than it might appear at first glance, though again, you're not fundamentally wrong.

Also notable because one of the last people to command it during WW2 committed suicide while in the submarine's command room, in front of most of the crew, so it's definitely not cursed OR haunted.
Sara Goldblum:

"So, ghost Nazis. What's the problem? I like ghost Nazis."
 
You're not wrong.

On the other hand, at some point the Viks will realize they either need to gear up and get some shots in against us, or just give the hell up and rename their country "Defeatia." And the Russians almost certainly have a spare set of MiG-29 production tooling they can fire up and start turning out new planes for the Viks.

So the situation is a bit more complicated than it might appear at first glance, though again, you're not fundamentally wrong.

Sara Goldblum:

"So, ghost Nazis. What's the problem? I like ghost Nazis."
Better than live Nazis, that's for sure.
 
Logan Mercier:

"Hmm...Does anyone know a Preist...or at very least Summon a spirt of our Ancestors to purge this filth...I want to use it...but also Curse...Help."
Sara Goldblum, smiling very strangely:

"Well, I know some guys who pushed a bunch of concentration camp guards into their own ovens once. And I bet Nazi ghosts have a grapevine or something. So fuck exorcisms. This is Chicago. Let's go make them an offer they can't refuse."

[cracks knuckles]
 
"Well, I know some guys who pushed a bunch of concentration camp guards into their own ovens once. And I bet Nazi ghosts have a grapevine or something. So fuck exorcisms. This is Chicago. Let's go make them an offer they can't refuse."

[cracks knuckles]

Logan:

"You are thinking New York Sara...But I get your Meaning...I meant men who can actually use it...Do you want me to call in my old Comrades in France...They owe me quite a few Favors since I worked for them in Venezuela."

"And Before You ask...I'm still not going to talk about what I did in South America. Or How I got here Okay."
 
Logan:

"You are thinking New York Sara...But I get your Meaning...I meant men who can actually use it...Do you want me to call in my old Comrades in France...They owe me quite a few Favors since I worked for them in Venezuela."

"And Before You ask...I'm still not going to talk about what I did in South America. Or How I got here Okay."
"If you like, sweetie. And let's leave the boating to the professionals. I was just talking about making the ghosts go hide in the closet."

...

Hm. It occurs to me that I never did give Sara a character writeup. She just sort of... evolved.
 
Hm. It occurs to me that I never did give Sara a character writeup. She just sort of... evolved.
Well So did Logan....I just took the new Lore and expanded on his backstory a little, And Justified his outsider ness.

He's an American Frenchman soldier fighting for a National identity he never expirienced...Kinda like Layfayette in that reguard.

All he brought was Military training from the French army and a few combined arms tactics along with connections...Small ones and Expirences that can only be gained fighting Proxy wars in South America for most of his adult life.
 
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