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"We have to recognize that these democratic principles do not flourish on empty stomachs, and that people turn to false promises of dictators because they are hopeless and anything promises something better than the miserable existence that they endure."-George C. Marshall
I approve of the winning plan but there are risks. The obvious risks of assassins and the looming Victorian intervention have been discussed. The worry that the assassin could shelter with the sympathizers is clear. But there are other risks to fascist sympathizers.
Besides the risk of a coup, there are some other risks with a population of latent fascist sympathizers. Some may live their lives as loyal patriots with bitter hatred of foreign fascists under certain conditions and not express fascist sympathies as long as they are not exposed to desperate or fearful situations that trigger overt fascist sympathies. Our newborn democracy is very unlikely to fully live up our and the population's hopes. Unfortunately, democracy does not bring economic growth, economic security, efficient services, physical security, social harmony, and other things either quickly or by itself. The population boom is a huge risk. If we cannot fulfill some of our promises or at least prevent mass starvation, that is bad news for democracy.

It is unlikely that we can fully prevent desperate or fearful situations from occurring to our citizens considering Chicago lives in one here. There are many pathways to fascism, obvious or less obvious. Hungry families desperate for food and stability. Unemployed young people looking for a purpose in life. The capitalist who is terrified of a communist takeover and looks to others for easy security and protection. Disaffected idealistic young socialists or communists who got their particular brand of ideals rejected by the local party or dissatisfied by the lack of nationalism. Firebrand nationalists who long for the glory days. The politician who looks for a large and easy to access untapped populist base. If we are successful, these people may never became fascists or dare to openly express fascist sympathies. If we are not successful or careful, we could see fascists elected to power and the end of our experiment in democracy.
 
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We're sorry. We're so sorry.

But Switzerland no longer exists.
That honestly surprises me. Switzerland has a long history of holding out quite successfully against the tyrant of the decade. Because they're happy to work with you and won't undermine you, but will be a colossal pain in the ass to invade, subdue, and occupy because they're heavily armed, mountainous, and kiiiinda xenophobic.

I'd expect the Russians to have basically stuck with this pattern.
 
That honestly surprises me. Switzerland has a long history of holding out quite successfully against the tyrant of the decade. Because they're happy to work with you and won't undermine you, but will be a colossal pain in the ass to invade, subdue, and occupy because they're heavily armed, mountainous, and kiiiinda xenophobic.

I'd expect the Russians to have basically stuck with this pattern.
The banking industry did not survive the Great Collapse. Commerce in general did not. Switzerland didn't fall to invasion. It's just that a place with so heavy a service-oriented economy is not going to survive something like the Collapse.
 
Question about the timeline: When you say, for example, "Kraft was assassinated by the Russians", does that mean "Everyone outside Victoria thinks Kraft was assassinated" or does it mean "I, as the author, am telling the readers/participants that Kraft was assassinated"?
(Figure it can't hurt to make sure, when dealing with a LE QM.)
 
Question about the timeline: When you say, for example, "Kraft was assassinated by the Russians", does that mean "Everyone outside Victoria thinks Kraft was assassinated" or does it mean "I, as the author, am telling the readers/participants that Kraft was assassinated"?
(Figure it can't hurt to make sure, when dealing with a LE QM.)
The timeline's bold text is Word of God for this quest.
 
The banking industry did not survive the Great Collapse. Commerce in general did not. Switzerland didn't fall to invasion. It's just that a place with so heavy a service-oriented economy is not going to survive something like the Collapse.
I mean, I'd expect there to still be a Switzerland in that case. It's just a miserable impoverished place with a small surviving population of bitter heavily armed nationalists, instead of being a cheerful prosperous place with a large surviving population of relatively happy heavily armed nationalists.

The Swiss have a very strong national identity and unless someone deliberately rolled over them and occupied them*, I'm pretty sure their country wouldn't disappear in an economic collapse, it'd just... devolve.

Consider how to ensure that the US broke up and stayed broken, the Russians had to arm a proxy force, fight or help the proxies fight multiple major wars, and keep up an ongoing campaign of quasi-occupation wherein they systematically disrupt attempts to restore order. If no one's doing that to Switzerland, there's still a Switzerland... and if they do try to do that to Switzerland, they're going to get a lot of pissed off Swiss riflemen taking potshots at them.

That said, it's entirely likely that organizations like the UN would pull out of Switzerland because of instability or just angry Swiss pointing guns at them and saying "okay, we're not going to feed you anymore, you can till the rocky soil like the rest of us or get the hell out or starve in place, we don't much care which." Just because Switzerland still exists as a nation, wouldn't necessarily mean that they're of any international relevance.
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*(which would be unrewarding since, as you point out, there's not much there worth stealing physically)
 
I mean, I'd expect there to still be a Switzerland in that case. It's just a miserable impoverished place with a small surviving population of bitter heavily armed nationalists, instead of being a cheerful prosperous place with a large surviving population of relatively happy heavily armed nationalists.

The Swiss have a very strong national identity and unless someone deliberately rolled over them and occupied them*, I'm pretty sure their country wouldn't disappear in an economic collapse, it'd just... devolve.

Consider how to ensure that the US broke up and stayed broken, the Russians had to arm a proxy force, fight or help the proxies fight multiple major wars, and keep up an ongoing campaign of quasi-occupation wherein they systematically disrupt attempts to restore order. If no one's doing that to Switzerland, there's still a Switzerland... and if they do try to do that to Switzerland, they're going to get a lot of pissed off Swiss riflemen taking potshots at them.

That said, it's entirely likely that organizations like the UN would pull out of Switzerland because of instability or just angry Swiss pointing guns at them and saying "okay, we're not going to feed you anymore, you can till the rocky soil like the rest of us or get the hell out or starve in place, we don't much care which." Just because Switzerland still exists as a nation, wouldn't necessarily mean that they're of any international relevance.
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*(which would be unrewarding since, as you point out, there's not much there worth stealing physically)
Strictly speaking, Switzerland exists, but it's not entirely locally-governed. The government did not survive its crisis. In the wake of the government collapse, one thing led to another, and France, Italy, and Germany would up jointly administering the place in order to prevent mass starvation. It wasn't a military invasion -- the official presence was aid workers, and the main supply line was food. Officially, the nation is now a trust territory while the responsible powers work to restore local order and governance.

Now, there is some resentment and tension, because Switzerland. Some Swiss nationalists suspect that the administering countries have little intention to withdraw from Switzerland once it's stable again, but there never was an invasion, and there is no military occupation. The government fell, the people began to starve, and the neighbors sent in people to stop the starving and help the government back to its feet.

That operation collapsed as the neighbors fell into chaos, and the presence and then absence of help set things back for Switzerland quite a bit, but when things restabilized, attempts to resume the operation were met with acceptable levels of warmth, and so food and aid began to flow into the country once again. Currently, they're at the stage where they ensure that the individual cantons are stable and able to stand on their own feet. That stage is nearly done, and the next stage is federal reformation, whereupon the operation is scheduled to come to an end and Switzerland is scheduled to be recognized by all participating powers. Some elements in the administering countries want to nab a slice of land -- but they are minorities, given how hard to occupy and unrewarding to hold Swiss territory is.
 
...so what I'm hearing is that if the UN is still around they're in Nairobi.

(Big if, let's be honest. The UN was never the strongest of organizations, bless their hearts.)
 
...so what I'm hearing is that if the UN is still around they're in Nairobi.

(Big if, let's be honest. The UN was never the strongest of organizations, bless their hearts.)
It did not survive. Some would like to change that, but there has been no luck as of yet.
@PoptartProdigy So what happened to the Vatican and the Catholic Church in the Collapse?
They have survived, as they always have. Reduced in some areas, yes, but stronger in others. Nothing yet has destroyed the Church. Frankly, it tends to flourish when exposed to persecution. I doubt that anything ever will kill it.
 
They have survived, as they always have. Reduced in some areas, yes, but stronger in others. Nothing yet has destroyed the Church. Frankly, it tends to flourish when exposed to persecution. I doubt that anything ever will kill it.
A possible avenue of getting some type of educational aid for the masses might be to request some Jesuits to come by, guys are pretty smart and have experience working in 3rd world environments. They'd just have to get over to us somehow. Granted I wonder what happened to the University of San Francisco (which is a Jesuit run college) in the NRC. I wonder if the Russians kicked them out.
 
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A possible avenue of getting some type of educational aid for the masses might be to request some Jesuits to come by, guys are pretty smart and have experience working in 3rd world environments. They'd just have to get over to us somehow. Granted I wonder what happened to the University of San Francisco (which is a Jesuit run college) in the NRC. I wonder if the Russians kicked them out.
I have an omake still in the process of gelling describing a piece of international Catholic involvement that (in a fragmentary manner) made it to Chicago.

Not Jesuits, though.
 
It did not survive. Some would like to change that, but there has been no luck as of yet.
The big issue the UN would face is that one of the Security Council members no longer exists in recognizable form that can send relevant delegates, and another probably considers the whole thing to be a silly joke and doesn't care except insofar as UN agencies are a useful tool to funnel aid to places they want it to go.

I could actually imagine the UN continuing to exist because "UN aid efforts" or "UN world heritage site" make for good propaganda everywhere, but with the Russian hegemony and Security Council votes ensuring that they never do anything that inconveniences Alexander IV, just as they never really do anything that inconveniences the United States today.

Even if it exists, it's not really relevant.

Strictly speaking, Switzerland exists, but it's not entirely locally-governed. The government did not survive its crisis. In the wake of the government collapse, one thing led to another, and France, Italy, and Germany would up jointly administering the place in order to prevent mass starvation. It wasn't a military invasion -- the official presence was aid workers, and the main supply line was food. Officially, the nation is now a trust territory while the responsible powers work to restore local order and governance.

Now, there is some resentment and tension, because Switzerland. Some Swiss nationalists suspect that the administering countries have little intention to withdraw from Switzerland once it's stable again, but there never was an invasion, and there is no military occupation. The government fell, the people began to starve, and the neighbors sent in people to stop the starving and help the government back to its feet.

That operation collapsed as the neighbors fell into chaos, and the presence and then absence of help set things back for Switzerland quite a bit, but when things restabilized, attempts to resume the operation were met with acceptable levels of warmth, and so food and aid began to flow into the country once again. Currently, they're at the stage where they ensure that the individual cantons are stable and able to stand on their own feet. That stage is nearly done, and the next stage is federal reformation, whereupon the operation is scheduled to come to an end and Switzerland is scheduled to be recognized by all participating powers. Some elements in the administering countries want to nab a slice of land -- but they are minorities, given how hard to occupy and unrewarding to hold Swiss territory is.
I'm honestly surprised that re-establishing a federal government wasn't one of the surrounding nations' top priorities, in that case. Policing and administering the cantons themselves almost has to be more work than letting the locals do it, and it sounds like the locals aren't being so xenophobic that the surrounding nations have reasons to fear the outcome.

Hey works for me. Maybe I'll write something up later about Jesuits heading towards Chicago once we survive the first few turns.
If you read over my Catholic World News omake, you'll get a hint.
 
I could actually imagine the UN continuing to exist because "UN aid efforts" or "UN world heritage site" make for good propaganda everywhere, but with the Russian hegemony and Security Council votes ensuring that they never do anything that inconveniences Alexander IV, just as they never really do anything that inconveniences the United States today.

But this is Lind's rightwing powerfantasy verse. One of the first moves I could see his Russia doing would be to 'establish its true hegemony over the liberal snowflakes' and leave the UN and tear up all the agreements it made. After all, truly hard men making horrific decisions for the 'greater good' don't need things like "friends" or "basic human rights for those who need it subhumans".
 
But this is Lind's rightwing powerfantasy verse. One of the first moves I could see his Russia doing would be to 'establish its true hegemony over the liberal snowflakes' and leave the UN and tear up all the agreements it made. After all, truly hard men making horrific decisions for the 'greater good' don't need things like "friends" or "basic human rights for those who need it subhumans".

Paleoconservative thought in the late 90s of the kind that Lind dealt in propped up the UN as a boogeyman who was going to subvert American sovereignty and something something white genocide.

Remember Agenda 21? The UN plan to subjugate humanity under the guise of, uh...

checks notes

...bike lanes?
 
Question for @PoptartProdigy There is much talk of the looming succession crisis with the coming death of Alexander IV. Is there an unofficial shortlist of possible successors for the New Russian Empire known to or made by international experts? Is there someone viewed as the likely successor or the new Khrushchev, Beria, Speer, or Himmler figure of the New Russian Empire that might takeover or become the power behind the throne? Or is the succession process completely opaque to foreign observers?

It is nigh impossible for international peacekeeping organizations to function in a world of runaway fascist superpowers with no respect for anything beyond force.
 
But this is Lind's rightwing powerfantasy verse. One of the first moves I could see his Russia doing would be to 'establish its true hegemony over the liberal snowflakes' and leave the UN and tear up all the agreements it made. After all, truly hard men making horrific decisions for the 'greater good' don't need things like "friends" or "basic human rights for those who need it subhumans".
Actually, this is Poptart's verse, which happens to contain a little cyst called "Victoria" within which Lind's power fantasies are the official party line of a totalitarian hellhole-state. Meanwhile, from the outside, a giant Poptart is looking in at them going "heh heh puny retroculturalists" and having their real mover-and-shaker nation, Russia, does whatever the fuck they want.

Note how in Lind's version, the Czar abdicates to "lead a holy order of Christian warriors to prepare to fight Islam." In Poptart's version, this is specifically bullshit made up by an Okhrana agent trying to figure out how to lure Rumsford and all his most loyal followers into a nice lethal trap to get them all killed so he can finally go home and retire.

This should illustrate the correlations, and lack thereof, between Lind's version of reality and the version that obtains in this quest.


Question for @PoptartProdigy There is much talk of the looming succession crisis with the coming death of Alexander IV. Is there an unofficial shortlist of possible successors for the New Russian Empire known to or made by international experts? Is there someone viewed as the likely successor or the new Khrushchev, Beria, Speer, or Himmler figure of the New Russian Empire that might takeover or become the power behind the throne? Or is the succession process completely opaque to foreign observers?

It is nigh impossible for international peacekeeping organizations to function in a world of runaway fascist superpowers with no respect for anything beyond force.
I mean, yes, basically; the UN wouldn't function as a peacekeeping organization.

But on the other hand, it's arguably to the Russians' direct and indirect advantage if (say) the World Health Organization (part of the UN) continues to exist, simply because having basic knowledge about impending epidemics and so on is valuable to everyone, even runaway fascist superpowers.

So the situation is complicated and I can see the Russians deciding either to let a suitably gutted shell of the UN continue to operate while vetoing anything they do that would actually inconvenience them, or to just let the institution die entirely.
 
Question for @PoptartProdigy There is much talk of the looming succession crisis with the coming death of Alexander IV. Is there an unofficial shortlist of possible successors for the New Russian Empire known to or made by international experts? Is there someone viewed as the likely successor or the new Khrushchev, Beria, Speer, or Himmler figure of the New Russian Empire that might takeover or become the power behind the throne? Or is the succession process completely opaque to foreign observers?

It is nigh impossible for international peacekeeping organizations to function in a world of runaway fascist superpowers with no respect for anything beyond force.
Alexander's heir is his son Vasily. After that, Alexander's daughter Alena. And in and around all of that is his legion of bastard children complicating matters.
 
After that, Alexander's daughter Alena.

Older or younger daughter?

Even so, I think it would be hilarious if we could play the great game well enough that Alexander announces Alena as his heir and Victoria destroys the bridge with their own greatest ally because muh 'ebul wimmenz can't get power' mentality the Victoria was founded on. It would carry a certain irony in my opinion.
 
Alexander's heir is his son Vasily. After that, Alexander's daughter Alena. And in and around all of that is his legion of bastard children complicating matters.
Plus, of course, it's really hard to convince people to actually honor the hereditary succession of a huge new empire you just forged for yourself and of whom you are the founder. There's no tradition of a peaceful transfer of power to one of your children, so if the children aren't very forceful characters in their own right, they're apt to lose all power to someone else who is.

Alexander IV's, ah, Great namesake, who conquered on a scale smaller in absolute terms but even greater in relative terms, could teach him about that...
 
I mean, yes, basically; the UN wouldn't function as a peacekeeping organization.

But on the other hand, it's arguably to the Russians' direct and indirect advantage if (say) the World Health Organization (part of the UN) continues to exist, simply because having basic knowledge about impending epidemics and so on is valuable to everyone, even runaway fascist superpowers.

So the situation is complicated and I can see the Russians deciding either to let a suitably gutted shell of the UN continue to operate while vetoing anything they do that would actually inconvenience them, or to just let the institution die entirely.
Gutted shell that only still exists to transfer its sizable archives into a revival or a worthy successor much like the crippled League of Nations during WW2 is my guess.

Even so, I think it would be hilarious if we could play the great game well enough that Alexander announces Alena as his heir and Victoria destroys the bridge with their own greatest ally because muh 'ebul wimmenz can't get power' mentality the Victoria was founded on. It would carry a certain irony in my opinion.
Would they? I thought the Russians removed the true reactionary believers and presumably replaced them with more stable puppets. It is obvious that Victoria is a puppet state but it is not totally clear the degree of the puppetry. Based on the OP's comments, I assume it is Manchukuo levels as both are artificially created states forced onto a part of an once great country with a new artificially created culture that the foreign master puts up a decent effort of respecting and allowing independence while not allowing anything to block their objectives. I am sure that the Russians can now make the Victorians do and say anything that serves Russia after they killed the original believers just like how the Japanese killed Zhang Zuolin and replaced him with the pliable Puyi instead.

Plus, of course, it's really hard to convince people to actually honor the hereditary succession of a huge new empire you just forged for yourself and of whom you are the founder. There's no tradition of a peaceful transfer of power to one of your children, so if the children aren't very forceful characters in their own right, they're apt to lose all power to someone else who is.

Alexander IV's, ah, Great namesake, who conquered on a scale smaller in absolute terms but even greater in relative terms, could teach him about that...
The New Russian Empire is bloated and unstable. I imagine a new Russian Civil War between the successors and the generals to be reasonably likely. If Russia crumbles, that is our cue to do more daring things.
 
@PoptartProdigy just a silly question I want to ask: What is the Tsars Last name/ dynasty/ house name?

I don't know why, it's just been bugging me to no end.
 
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