IIRC the dark side isnt entirely incapable of healing, its just nowhere near as good at it than the light, or comes with various consequences. And in Anakins case, he wasnt healed, he was merely kept alive, and in the end got alchemically cybogized and was left in constant pain.
I agree with @Xexilf also dark siders can probably heal fine IF they take the energy for that from others by force. Basically they need to cause harm somewhere in there for it to work.
Oh there are absolutely Dark Side techniques to heal by sucking the life out of someone else, it's 'Force Healing' specifically; ie healing without doing something horrible to someone, that is believed in-universe to be impossible with the Dark Side.
And as Darth Plagueis eventually proved (but basically no-one ever found out about), they were wrong anyway: You can totally heal people with the Dark Side, you just have to figure out how to bend Midi-chlorians to your will.
(Presumably the figuring out part does involve doing a lot of atrocities, but in theory once developed no further atrocities were required to use the technique. Though the Jedi would argue that mind controlling Midi-chlorians to make them behave the way you want them to behave instead of the way they want to behave is an atrocity.)
Yes, probably, but its hard to say if this was added by Sidious or just a normal dark side effect he left in place. Does not make much difference anyway.
That's about my thinking as well, that there are many surviving branches of the tree that is the Baneite Sith Order, and some of the branches prune others from time to time if they find them. Palpatine's branch isn't the main line, if there even is one, just the branch that got the best finances (Hego Damask II) and then an absolute prodigy in the political arena (Sheev Palpatine, before he went mad with power in the Imperial Era and just kept indulging himself).
As a matter of scale, it's statistically impossible that the Sith Order of Bane is the ONLY Sith Order in the galaxy. Quick napkin math:
Galaxy has trillions (10^13-10^15) of sentient beings. There have been multiple Sith Empires (the exact number depends on the version of canon, so let's just go with 3 to be conservative) spanning hundreds to thousands of planets. Nearly all Sith think they are the specialest, most powerfullest, bestest thing since eeeeeevvvvaaaaarrrrrrrr!!! Nearly all of them are going to leave behind their take on the Sith version of Force manipulation. That means millions or even possibly billions of Sith writings (let's go with millions to be conservative). Other governments did their best to purge the Sith culture, but let's be honest: they probably only got 99.9% of it all leaving thousands of information caches out in the galaxy.
It only takes one Force Sensitive with a grudge or a chip or just being a teenager getting in to one information cache to restart the Sith Order.
It's nearly certain that the Order of Bane is not the only Sith Order in the galaxy.
I always thought the theory that Sidious "healed" Anakin by drawing on Padme's life force to be an interesting one.
The medics they brought her too couldn't identify what was killing her after all, and I always found the "Lost the Will to Live" thing to be kinda sus considering her kids were RIGHT there.
It's totally the type of twisted thing that Palpatine would enjoy.
I much prefer the theory that the Republic was garbage at Obstetrics/Gynecology. She had a hemorrhage that the droids didn't know about because the vascular connections to reproductive organs information was banned by anti-porn crusaders.
As a matter of scale, it's statistically impossible that the Sith Order of Bane is the ONLY Sith Order in the galaxy. Quick napkin math:
Galaxy has trillions (10^13-10^16) of sentient beings. There have been multiple Sith Empires (the exact number depends on the version of canon, so let's just go with 3 to be conservative) spanning hundreds to thousands of planets. Nearly all Sith think they are the specialest, most powerfullest, bestest thing since eeeeeevvvvaaaaarrrrrrrr!!! Nearly all of them are goong to leave behind their take on the Sith version of Force manipulation. That means millions or even possibly billions of Sith writings (let's go with millions to be conservative). Other governments did their best to purge the Sith culture, but let's be honest: they probably only got 99.9% of it all leaving thousands of information caches out in the galaxy.
It only takes one Force Sensitive with a grudge or a chip or just being a teenager getting in to one information cache to restart the Sith Order.
It's nearly certain that the Order of Bane is not the only Sith Order in the galaxy.
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Banite Sith arn't even true Sith who can trace their lineage back to the Sith Empire.
The Brotherhood of Darkness (which Bane came from) was formed and led by a Dark Jedi, as were the "Sith" of the New Sith Wars who at best can only trace their lineage back to "Darth" Ruin who was just an insane Dark Jedi who culturally appropriated the name of the Sith.
And even the Dark jedi that would later conquor the Sith species, and later formed the order that took on the name Sith, claimed connection to the even older Legions of Lettow, a group that was so annihilated, the only remnant is a women sealed in kryptonte or something.
Depends what you mean by "Sith Order", really. There's definitely darksiders who learned from Sith leavings, including a number of former Jedi. That much is explicit (EU/Legends) canon. Most of them didn't call themselves Sith though, and few of them had Master/Apprentice chains longer than a single generation, if that. Then there's the way both the Jedi and the Banites would have every motivation to take out anything larger and/or better connected, and the Banites, being Dark-siders themselves, aren't affected by the veil of the Darkside.
To be an order, one generally has to have a fairly large group. or at least multiple core members with a very large support structure like the Banites have, and even the Banites mostly just called themselves that and nobody wanted to argue with them. Something like that is hard to hide without a consistent stream of very cunning Darksiders, like the Banites cultivated, and would be even harder to hide from other Darksiders, like the Banites.
Have other "Sith Orders" arisen? Probably. Did they last? Probably not. Do any currently exist that are anywhere near the same heights of power as the Banites? Almost definitely not.
Darth Krayt and his order would be the next ones with a legit claim since to the Sith name, since IIRC he was taught by either a force ghost or Holocron of one of the OG Jedi Exiles who ended up on Korriban.
Have other "Sith Orders" arisen? Probably. Did they last? Probably not. Do any currently exist that are anywhere near the same heights of power as the Banites? Almost definitely not.
Have other "Sith Orders" arisen? Probably. Did they last? Probably not. Do any currently exist that are anywhere near the same heights of power as the Banites? Almost definitely not.
But! How do we/they/etc define power? Political? Personal? Monetary? Physical? Martial? Ability to convert the Force into electricity? The Banites certainly won the political game with Palpatine running the Totally Not Sith Galactic Empire. If that's the measure, then you're absolutely spot on with no other Sith reaching those heights of power. The galaxy is a big place though, and we see basically one family's story (the Skywalkers) out of trillions.
Least important: you're missing a "]" in your quote above.
But! How do we/they/etc define power? Political? Personal? Monetary? Physical? Martial? The Banites certainly won the political game with Palpatine running the Totally Not Sith Galactic Empire. If that's the measure, then you're absolutely spot on with no other Sith reaching those heights of power. The galaxy is a big place though, and we see basically one family's story (the Skywalkers) out of trillions.
Palpatine did kinda do what no other Sith done.
Not only managed to wipe out the jedi order, which few could do. But he was also the only one to ACTUALLY SUCCEED in conquering the Republic. As any time other Sith groups got close, they self-detonated in infighting.
Palps may have squandered that control, but lets be honest, how he did so was very Sith-like.
Edit: It may have been through political intrigue, but he still managed to put all of the Republic under his control. For a time at least.
Palpatine did kinda do what no other Sith done.
Not only managed to wipe out the jedi order, which few could do. But he was also the only one to ACTUALLY SUCCEED in conquering the Republic. As any time other Sith groups got close, they self-detonated in infighting.
Palps may have squandered that control, but lets be honest, how he did so was very Sith-like.
You can't just credit that Win to Palpy. He may have been the one to pull the trigger, but the plan was a Loooong time in the making and was the result of many Banite Sith working to bring the Jedi down.
Don't get me wrong, I love Sidious, but you gotta give a decent chunk of the credit to the lords before him who helped put all the pieces into the right position.
But! How do we/they/etc define power? Political? Personal? Monetary? Physical? Martial? The Banites certainly won the political game with Palpatine running the Totally Not Sith Galactic Empire. If that's the measure, then you're absolutely spot on with no other Sith reaching those heights of power. The galaxy is a big place though, and we see basically one family's story (the Skywalkers) out of trillions.
I was thinking Force power, in terms of eldritch understanding and raw ability to apply it, perhaps along with force-based combat skills, so I suppose personal, but in most of those areas it's hard to imagine any other Sith Order being able to remotely compete without being noticed. By the Banites, if no one else.
Martial power tends to be very obvious, at least above a planetary-militia scale, and the Banites backed the creation of the fleets and armies of both sides of the Clone War, especially the armies.
They had a decent chunk of the Galactic Megacorps, the primary commercial powers of the galaxy, and vast personal fortunes besides.
Politcally, they had the actual Supreme Chancellor and a huge chunk of the senate.
There's plenty of room for other Orders to have their own playgrounds, up to the planetary and even sector scale, but to compete with the Banites in terms of scale you have to be a very big fish indeed even in the very big pond that is the galaxy.
Personal power is probably actually the one area where another Sith Order could feasibly compete with the Banites without being detected, though it would take very impressive power-concealment skills and probably a specific force talent for hiding from other Darksiders. I can't see it lasting for generations, but it might have happened once or twice, if not necessarily by people who called themselves Sith.
For other Sith orders, in the Old EU, theres also the prophets of the dark side, a weird offshoot actually from banes line, and only three steps down from bane himself, when an apprentice (darth millenial) disagreed with banes teachings and escaped to from his own group at first called dark force. In the present theyre weirdly insular though, and almost completely focused on seeing the future and exploring weird esoterica rather than doing anything in the wider galaxy.
the fun part is, back in Kotor times, a lot of Sith had their own personal interpretations of power and the sith code.
whats that Banite Sith? you think strong people should be in charge?
Well if you were actually strong, you would have people following you of their own free will because you are the best fit for leader.
That's called Being A Force Adept, which is when you use the light side and dark side together to complete an arcane circuit of existence to complete a task, rather than calling on The Force to do the task for you.
This is usually a bad thing, as completing an arcane circuit cuts you off from accessing the True Power Of The Dark or Absolute Knowledge Of The Light until you manage to disentangle your soul from the arcane math equation you created.
Other governments did their best to purge the Sith culture, but let's be honest: they probably only got 99.9% of it all leaving thousands of information caches out in the galaxy.
There are indeed, at least in Legends (dunno about Disney).
But Legends has many examples of old Sith caches scattered throughout the galaxy, usually the people who find them end up dying horribly to the traps and monsters that the Sith inevitably left behind, but every now and then someone skilled or lucky gets through to the prize.
And then about half the time it turns out the prize is a Sith Holocron that the Sith who built the cache in question taped their soul into so that they could possess the first unlucky fucker to reach them, eat their soul for power and then reincarnate and have another go at conquering the galaxy or whatever.
Most of the other half of the time, the prize is actual Sith teachings and artifacts and whatnot, which usually ends up resulting in a minor group of of Dark Adepts, often in criminal employ. (Such groups are rarely 'proper' Sith, as they generally don't give a flying fuck about the whole Sith code and everything, and as mentioned above none of the Baneite Sith are technically 'true' Sith, but at that point the semantics argument is getting out of hand.)
And the rest of the time its one or more Jedi who get into the cache first, which usually results in a Sith-possessed Jedi running amok, a Jedi falling to the Dark Side due to reading some of the contents of the cache and going 'hey these Sith guys actually kind of had a point' or the Jedi purging any Sith ghosts and taking all the artifacts back to their vault under the Coruscant temple to lock away and forget about forever.
Oh and very, very rarely one of Palpy's minions gets into a cache, in which case the contents end up in Palpy's personal collection, and if there is something really good then he'll put it on the shelf in his office so he can giggle to himself about openly having Sith artifacts and somehow getting away with it even when the Jedi know he likes to collect Sith artifacts.
She actually only drank from the Font of Power, she bathed in the Well of Knowledge. And to be entirely fair to her, it worked: She did indeed gain immortality from doing so.
It just also turned her into, well, this:
That part was probably less than ideal.
(It's also kind of ironic-in-hindsight that The Ones didn't bother to say anything about the Sealed Evil In A Black Hole that they routinely need to shove back into the black hole every thousand years or so because it keeps escaping to Anakin and Obi-wan when they died. I guess they figured that she just wasn't their problem anymore.)
(It's also kind of ironic-in-hindsight that The Ones didn't bother to say anything about the Sealed Evil In A Black Hole that they routinely need to shove back into the black hole every thousand years or so because it keeps escaping to Anakin and Obi-wan when they died. I guess they figured that she just wasn't their problem anymore.)
To be fair she escapes everytime someone mentions her even in their own thoughts or when temporal nonsense like time travel happens. Her name and title are essentially memetic hazards.
To be fair she escapes everytime someone mentions her even in their own thoughts or when temporal nonsense like time travel happens. Her name and title are essentially memetic hazards.
I thought she only escaped "whenever the Current of the Force was altered and the flow of time changed."? That's what the Thuruht hive Killiks claim at any rate, and they all knew about Abeloth as The Bringer of Chaos because they had historical records regarding her and how The Ones had used their ancestors to imprison her, and would show up again to shove her back into said prison whenever she escaped.
It was my belief that the memetic hazard aspects were only relevant after she escaped, and as long as she was imprisoned and 'the Current of the Force and the flow of time' was not altered there was no danger.
But, uh, don't time-travel with the Force while thinking about Abeloth, very much do not do that.
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