"I will not teach you how to use mind tricks."

That… The hell? John was all about spreading as much information to as many people as possible. This wasn't like him at all.

"Everything I know, everything I can teach, can be used for good or ill. But nothing else I know of is as insidious and exploitable as mind tricks. In the right hands it could do incalculable good. But in the wrong hands…" John's hands clenched to white knuckled grip. "If anyone out there has ties to government or law enforcement, listen to me and listen to me well. Make mind tricks illegal to use in anything but self defense. Sooner or later, someone will figure them out, and the information will leak. You need to be ready and able to prosecute the kriffing bastards who will take advantage of it as harshly as possible."

Obi-Wan and Anakin both looked just as stunned as I felt.

"If any knowledge deserves to be lost or destroyed, mind tricks are it. I'll do a recording on a few of the best and worst ways it could be used and it will be made available exclusively to those who can prove they are high up in, if not in charge of, their planet or systems law enforcement. If I was teaching an individual and I could vet them myself over months or years I might consider teaching them, but this is not something I'll just put out there for anyone to abuse."

I wonder if the jedi are going to discuse this bit. A man who is using the darkside goes nope when it comes to spreading how to use mind trick. and as Deila points out he's all about spreading force knoweldge. It is a lightside technique, but he's not wrong about all the ways it could be abused. I suspect that it won't be banned per say (despite all the above it just too useful in certain situations) but be something akin to "You better have a damned good reason."
 
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We are not your Sith. We are something new, a chance to do something right. A new tribe.Seelah Korsin The Lost Tribe of Sith was a Sith Order which formed on the remote planet Kesh located in Wild Space. It was founded in 5000 BBY after the warship Omen, carrying members of Sith Lord Naga...

Banite Sith arn't even true Sith who can trace their lineage back to the Sith Empire.

The Brotherhood of Darkness (which Bane came from) was formed and led by a Dark Jedi, as were the "Sith" of the New Sith Wars who at best can only trace their lineage back to "Darth" Ruin who was just an insane Dark Jedi who culturally appropriated the name of the Sith.
And even the Dark jedi that would later conquor the Sith species, and later formed the order that took on the name Sith, claimed connection to the even older Legions of Lettow, a group that was so annihilated, the only remnant is a women sealed in kryptonte or something.

If we're using Legends stuff...

Darth Krayt and his order would be the next ones with a legit claim since to the Sith name, since IIRC he was taught by either a force ghost or Holocron of one of the OG Jedi Exiles who ended up on Korriban.

Not even mentioning the last surviving members of the actual sith species in the sorcerers of Khand and potentially out in the unknown regions
 
Not even mentioning the last surviving members of the actual sith species in the sorcerers of Khand and potentially out in the unknown regions

Sorcerors of Tund. In the Outer Rim, not Unknown Regions

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The Sorcerers of Tund were a largely reclusive, secretive ancient order of dark siders from Tund, a remote, shadowy planet in the Centrality of the Outer Rim Territories and were notable for their concealing outfits. The Sorcerers were highly skilled in deception, illusions, and shapeshifting...
 
This thread is teaching me that Star Wars is so much weirder than I thought it was.

Almost 47 years of films, tv series, books, comics, games, and metric tons of merchandising would do that.

The old EU was full of really original ( read stupid ) ideas for our plucky heroes to fight. The Disney version is young yet, but it looks like it will end the same way, with the only probable exception that the old heroes are useless, because they are old...
 
Banite Sith 3: "It's like he actually follows the tenet of "The Force Shall Set You Free!". Sigh. Damn fundamentalist..."

The critical thing to note about that line is that it says 'you'... Not 'us' or 'everyone'. Honestly it is the source of most of their issues since the moment someone is in charge a large chunk of the followers have a doctrinal obligation to overthrow them. If they had 'everyone' in their creed they'd end up being particularly grumpy anarchists.
 
I forget, is darth sidious master still alive?

also imagine this, a fully armored mandalorian force using wookie flying at you with his jetpack rocket launcher and two lightsabers ignited
 
Sidious kills Plagueis the night before he becomes supreme chancellor.

They practice his acceptance speech then Plagueis falls asleep drunk on wine and Sidious tortures him to death with sith lightning
a master sith getting drunk and falling asleep? a master sith illusionist? sure it wasn't just some illusion thrown up so the master could just leave and do his own thing without his apprentice hounding him to become the master by killing him?
 
a master sith getting drunk and falling asleep? a master sith illusionist? sure it wasn't just some illusion thrown up so the master could just leave and do his own thing without his apprentice hounding him to become the master by killing him?
After ensuring that he would be elected to the office of Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Republic, Sidious decided the time had come for him to complete the Grand Plan alone. Having learned all he could from Plagueis, and also having used his Master's connections to get him where he wanted to be, Sidious saw the aging Muun as an obstacle. Plagueis, on the other hand, seemed to trust his apprentice completely.[1]

The night before the election, Damask made his first public appearance in years, and a rare appearance with Senator Palpatine: they attended the premiere of an experimental Mon Calamari piece at the Galaxies Opera House together. After the performance, the two Sith Lords retired to Damask's penthouse in the Kaldani Spires building to celebrate Palpatine's upcoming success. There, Sidious plied Plagueis with wine while rehearsing the acceptance speech he would soon deliver before the Senate. Watching as Plagueis became increasingly intoxicated, Sidious waited patiently until his master fell asleep before unleashing torrent after torrent of Sith lightning upon him, basking in the Muun's agony, as he slowly tortured his master to death.[1]
I mean we could theorize all manner of things that can't be disproven but no matter how disappointing this is the canon we have.

he keeps his masters remains on display at the entrance to his office inside a sith spirit urn
 
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i am as disappointed as when george lucas took out the sith lord jar jar plot line, dammit.
Has anyone gone to the trouble of rewriting episode two and three with that plot yet? (No I damn well will not I have too many fics on my plate as is!) for such a relatively popular theory I kind of expected a dozen or so fics covering the idea.
 
This thread is teaching me that Star Wars is so much weirder than I thought it was.

There's been 4 completely different 'Canon' timelines during my lifetime. 5 if I include the comics from the weird time between the first two movies.

Hell, if I remember right Marvel Earth was a world somewhere in Star Wars, from a single crossover comic. (I might be wrong, it's been a VERY long time since I checked the weird times)

i am as disappointed as when george lucas took out the sith lord jar jar plot line, dammit.

We still don't know if that was the actual plan, since Jar Jar flopped harder than ....well nothing. He's the new standard of flopping.

I've seen the theory, I agree it's got some good points. But we don't know if that's really what the plan was.
 
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There's been 4 completely different 'Canon' timelines during my lifetime. 5 if I include the comics from the weird time between the first two movies.

Hell, if I remember right Marvel Earth was a world somewhere in Star Wars, from a single crossover comic. (I might be wrong, it's been a VERY long time since I checked the weird times)



We still don't know if that was the actual plan, since Jar Jar flopped harder than ....well nothing. He's the new standard of flopping.

I've seen the theory, I agree it's got some good points. But we don't know if that's really what the plan was.
well, I did watch a theory video, that instead of just saying, showed, they specifically went back to movie 1 and with every scene with jar jar nearby zoomed in on stuff happening in the background and reactions of other background characters reacting to stuff jar jar was doing, showing certain scenes like the infiltration of naboo where jar jar had to have been using the force can't remember the exact video though since it was a awhile ago.
 
well, I did watch a theory video, that instead of just saying, showed, they specifically went back to movie 1 and with every scene with jar jar nearby zoomed in on stuff happening in the background and reactions of other background characters reacting to stuff jar jar was doing, showing certain scenes like the infiltration of naboo where jar jar had to have been using the force can't remember the exact video though since it was a awhile ago.
No that's the one. Like I said, it's got some good points but it's JUST a theory that's been unconfirmed. All we can say is that Lucas had a plan for Jar Jar, and that he FLOPPED for audiences, so Mr Jar was put into a jar and thrown away. :p
 
Sorcerors of Tund. In the Outer Rim, not Unknown Regions

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The Sorcerers of Tund were a largely reclusive, secretive ancient order of dark siders from Tund, a remote, shadowy planet in the Centrality of the Outer Rim Territories and were notable for their concealing outfits. The Sorcerers were highly skilled in deception, illusions, and shapeshifting...

Thanks, yeah it's Tund not Khand, getting my crazy cultist sorcerers mixed up.
 
a master sith getting drunk and falling asleep? a master sith illusionist? sure it wasn't just some illusion thrown up so the master could just leave and do his own thing without his apprentice hounding him to become the master by killing him?
Plaguey was one of the least Sith-like Sith to ever live, this was due to his Master, Darth Tenebrous, not actually intending to teach Plaguey how to be a Sith.

You see, Tenebrous had a cunning plan to achieve immortality by stealing the body of his apprentice, or something, so he intentionally taught Plagueis wrong as part of that cunning plan. But he screwed that up and ended up getting dead, leaving Plaguey to his own devices.

Plaguey was thus not instilled with quite the same level of 'Sithness' as a usual Baneite Sith, this is important because it meant that Plagueis genuinely trusted Sidious.

Plagueis basically intended to 'break' the Rule of Two by having himself and Sidious become immortal, and together they would rule the galaxy forever. Plagueis thus believed that Sidious had no reason to ever kill him and would not do so, apparently comprehensively failing to truly understand just what a toxic monster Sidious really was.


So that's why Sidious was able to kill him so easily; Plaguey really did leave himself defenseless in a drunken stupor in Sidious's presence, because he actually was naive enough to believe that Sidious was his friend.
 
*thunks head against writing desk* have I mentioned this is a cluster fuck of a fandom? Because it is. And never mind that we are far enough back in the timeline that I can only guess what plans he made when because at this point none of the relevant ones have been implemented yet.

I don't know, I think a lot of people have just proven to me the joy of the Star Wars fandom was that "Everything is on Fire and Nothing makes Sense" and then Disney tried to fix that, then they gave up and added more gasoline.
 
Plaguey was one of the least Sith-like Sith to ever live,
The only other sith who was unsith like, was Vectivus. Was a miner, and a money man. Found out that one of his mines was a darkside nexus and was a danger to his miners, closed the mine, went searching for answers, became a sith, didnt really do too much. Fooled around with the darkside a bit. Expanded sith knowledge a little. Most of his holocron was actually buisness and money making practices.

Had a family who he loved and loved him. Didn't treat them like shit, extensions of himself, or tools. Raised his apprentice like one of his own kids, died of old age surrounded by his family.

Very very not Sithy.
 
One of the main reasons that the current Sith are not very Sith at all is in large part thanks to Darth Gravid

He fell to the Light and wiped out all the lore they had accumulated, without him the Sith would likely have already won
 
One of the main reasons that the current Sith are not very Sith at all is in large part thanks to Darth Gravid

He fell to the Light and wiped out all the lore they had accumulated, without him the Sith would likely have already won
Or he might have been why the Sith managed to get so close. After all, the greatest threat to the Sith have always been themselves. So bad that was why the Rule of 2 was even invented in the first place!
 
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