Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Yes. On the other hand, lightning and electricity are Jupiter's "element," and Kimiko has magical electricity powers. And yet, Kimiko's not affiliated with Sailor Jupiter in any way, though the two did seem to interact somehow, in a rather esoteric way, back at the shrine battle.
Elemental connections aren't always direct or much of a clue.
The guy who picked up the phone is an insanely strong man who, in Symphogear canon, is the Symphogear team's commander- though he does not operate one of the magical artifact/suits himself, and so cannot fight the series antagonists directly. He seems like a well-intentioned fellow and we may meet him again... but his father, the eminence gris behind the overall project, is a real piece of work and we won't like him.
Given how prodigiously strong he apparently is in canon, I can actually believe that Genjuro would be capable of fighting low-end youma in this setting, though I'm sure there are limits.
It's not a "solution" in the sense that it destroys the youma or ends their existence as a supernatural being.
It may be a "solution" in the sense that it causes the youma to stop being a generally malignant threat to bystanders. Maybe it flushes out the life energy that seems to make all youma act like they're hopped up on magical cocaine to insane levels of aggression and double-insane levels of strength and ferocity.
It may just be our bad luck that this particular youma (or ex-youma) is by nature a very quiet being unlikely to communicate their feelings to us in the immediate aftermath. So I don't mind the idea of trying it again, if and when we can get the situation under control.
That... is a very alarming possibility. And damned hard to investigate, because Moon Healing Escalation may be similar in that you might end up 'humanizing' a youma who wasn't human to begin with for all I know."
Did you not already know this? We've known this since Week 2.
@Kkutlord
I feel greatly insulted by the way you phrased this, for reasons I can explain to you if you're interested in knowing how you went and insulted someone.
I consider this to be very important. If you don't acknowledge this and discuss it seriously with me, it will be very clear evidence that you are unwilling to respect people who have disagreed with you.
If you care about respect or lack of respect, please tell me that you're willing to talk about this, and to apologize for the insult you have- I choose to assume unintentionally- offered me.
Then again, maybe you're just being super-de-duper passive-aggressive, in which case that too will become apparent and I will react to you accordingly.
Since I don't know one way or the other how you'll respond, I'm not going to waste my time on a long explanation that I am concerned you may choose to completely ignore and pretend never existed anyway.
I hope you prove my concerns to be incorrect.
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I don't think she was wearing them as Usagi before leaving for the meeting. I do think though that Sailor Moon might be able to access the abilities of any item in her inventory, even if she doesn't visibly have it on her as Sailor Moon.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
Thinking about it, since Terra Healing Escalation can undo corruption then Moon + Terra would probably be our best bet to safely separate Poisony and the others from their king. Though that's far more speculative, and I'm not sure how Poisony is supposed to be contained long enough to test a cure.
Please don't ask me to be disruptive. It wasn't meant to be an insult, all I really did was show joy at being proven right.
Before she entered the weapon shop, it was established Usagi is so used to her Eyes of The Heart she nearly forgot she was wearing them. So rather than a vague "Can copy anything in the Crystal Millennium inventory", the simpler answer is that she was wearing the glasses. Power copying shouldn't be some casual thing, cause it gets OP fast.
Please don't ask me to be disruptive. It wasn't meant to be an insult, all I really did was show joy at being proven right.
Before she entered the weapon shop, it was established Usagi is so used to her Eyes of The Heart she nearly forgot she was wearing them. So rather than a vague "Can copy anything in the Crystal Millennium inventory", the simpler answer is that she was wearing the glasses. Power copying shouldn't be some casual thing, cause it gets OP fast.
Grue
滅亡迅雷
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Correction: He can't fight the generic monsters because they have a dissolve-on-touch effect. He only loses his battle against the S1 final boss because of a cheap shot; the Neriman martial artists are probably the best analogy here.
(He also in the lore wasn't always in charge, hence why this thread was worried about MCAT until Samui turned up.)
Also can manage to fight on par with Genjuro, though that's with what's probably a relic sword with accompanying boosts under this syste,.
Actually, Moon Healing Escalation specifically reverts youma to their 'native form'. It's in the spell description. So it would simply undo the youmafication, or whatever that's called.
- Location
- Finland
Imagine what the fight, and Sei, must look like to bystanders.
Giant demonic monstrocity attacks civilians, Sei jumps down from the roof and one shots it.
Sailor moon kites another demon away from civilians and onto the roof.
Sei tells Mercury to throw them back to the roof, where they shoot the demon with somekind of black beam transforming them into a different looking demon.
Demon just sits there for a bit, and then motors out as fast as they can.
Who is this person, where did they come from, what is their deal, how are they so awesome.
I'm starting to worry Kinto is going to ask Sei to duel him instead of testing the Pretty Cures.
Giant demonic monstrocity attacks civilians, Sei jumps down from the roof and one shots it.
Sailor moon kites another demon away from civilians and onto the roof.
Sei tells Mercury to throw them back to the roof, where they shoot the demon with somekind of black beam transforming them into a different looking demon.
Demon just sits there for a bit, and then motors out as fast as they can.
Who is this person, where did they come from, what is their deal, how are they so awesome.
I'm starting to worry Kinto is going to ask Sei to duel him instead of testing the Pretty Cures.
I'm hoping he'll challenge Sailor Moon to a duel so she has a reason to use her sword for the first time.
Honestly, I am not sure what exactly was proven right we thought was wrong...
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
So… we should test Moon Healing Escalation on a Youma to see what happens? Having more ways of purifying them is good, though we're gonna need some AoE version. Hmm, I guess Moon + Terra would probably be the basis for the Purification Burst. Not sure how to actually train the Healing Escalation without a target… but I'm definitely thinking Moon + Terra is how we're gonna pull off AoE bursts.
I don't understand where that is coming from at all. Why would Terra + Moon = AofE?
That's taking two directional healing spells of different flavor and expecting to get something of different functionally from the mixture. Wouldn't a combined flavored Terra and Moon healing directional spell be the more logical result?
Though I agree we do need to see what Moon Healing Escalation does, preferably on another of these berserk Cendrellion youma rather than another youma like the Cotton Candy one (or the Clock shop one). I'd rather try hitting those with another Terra Healing Escalation to see if we get a similar result or not.
One outcome data point does not present a pattern, let alone prove one.
You know I'm pretty sure most people agreed that while heart flowers may be important they were just something that basically couldn't really be prioritized since there was hardly enough information about them and already having other things to do at the time. So it seemed more like people were arguing about constantly bringing up heart flowers as if they were something that we needed to know every little possible thing about them while still having other more immediate matters at hand.
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- Location
- Italy
Just my opinion, but if I had to guess what Naru did, she probably turned a "youma" into a "youkai".
She might feel they're "wrong" because they're similar, but subtly different from her past life's creations, and so what she does is basically... turn them into something closer to her own past creations and/or associated/connected to her, instead of to whoever created the Youkai (possibly Metallia/Beryl?)
She might feel they're "wrong" because they're similar, but subtly different from her past life's creations, and so what she does is basically... turn them into something closer to her own past creations and/or associated/connected to her, instead of to whoever created the Youkai (possibly Metallia/Beryl?)
- Location
- Hell.
- Pronouns
- She/They
Well, If that is a Night Gaunt, if memory serves, they're servants of Nodens who tends towards being pretty chill. At the very least he's unlikely to cause an age of Madness when the stars are right.
So... Ctulhu mythos vibes intensify, and jokes about Azathoth in a skirt aren't that funny, really. Naru would be Shub Niggurath in this metaphor.
Now, more seriously, what have we learned? Naru's magic, when applied to a youma, transformed it into some sort of possibly intelligent creature that fled. We can surmise that the creature wasn't inherently Naru's devoted slave, willing to die to defend its mistress.
Other than that, I don't feel comfortable speculating. There are too many possibilities in regards to Youma nature and Naru's magic, both in general and in what this specific spell does.
Now, more seriously, what have we learned? Naru's magic, when applied to a youma, transformed it into some sort of possibly intelligent creature that fled. We can surmise that the creature wasn't inherently Naru's devoted slave, willing to die to defend its mistress.
Other than that, I don't feel comfortable speculating. There are too many possibilities in regards to Youma nature and Naru's magic, both in general and in what this specific spell does.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
Soo, pure speculation time. Seeing as that youma was originally a Night-gaunt, going by Mythos is the DK- Base in a corrupted part of the Dreamlands?
Probably not, given how the images used don't actually mean anything beyond showing the appearance of something. Like, Drella and Cendrillion do not have Sailor Moon like art. I'm not sure why people are speculating about this? It isn't a crossover, that Youma clearly seems like a Yokai. Lunaryon already confirmed images don't equal crossover, if anyone doesn't believe me then just ask Lunaryon. If this is going to be regular thing, it should probably get an Informational. Probably something like "Confirmed Crossovers" with "Images don't mean anything" at the top.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Canonically many youma are corrupted humans, but maybe not all. There's no obvious reason, though, that the youma-making process couldn't corrupt a yokai (that is, one of Pandora's children). And since we know some yokai are rather strange, your interpretation is quite plausible.
The same hobby would make him considerably more relevant here, with a more diverse variety of threats that can actually be punched, so I for one am perfectly happy to see him with the same hobby.
I mean, they remain lethal-force adversaries who will do their level best to kill us and bystanders. We'd definitely prefer to avoid killing them, and it does give us excellent reason to try and transition to something like the traditional monster of the week format where the other Senshi subdue a youma with their own attacks so Usagi can Moon Healing Escalation them.
But it may not always be practical to do that in a combat zone, given how goddamn many lesser youma we sometimes run into. Sailor Moon in canon usually didn't have to deal with whole swarms of monsters all at once.
Er, to be clear, you mean "un-purified," right? As in, a youma who's still under the influence of
For that matter, we don't know if there's a fundamental difference between youma converted from humans and youma converted from yokai. Or from some other, third category unknown to us.
Maybe Moon Healing Escalation works as it canonically does on youma converted from humans, while doing nothing to youma converted from yokai, and the reverse is true of Terra Healing Escalation.
I think it depends heavily on the definition of "useful."
My working theory is that heart flowers are a representation, a convenient symbol of something more fundamental. It's the equivalent of a heads-up display for the underlying spiritual health status of a being. There's nothing profound about it that's somehow mysterious or hard to understand as such. If anything, its very existence makes other things easier to understand.
Insofar as we don't understand heart flowers, it's because we don't understand the underlying spiritual 'mechanisms' that the heart flower is representing- sort of like the workings of a car's speedometer are a mystery to you if you don't understand basic principles about the car works.
But you don't need to know how a speedometer works to know that it's telling you how fast the car is moving. There's no deep complex investigation of heart flowers required to know what they're telling us. Indeed, that's probably the entire point of the Eyes of the Heart in the first place! The flower itself is almost certainly a metaphor, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what kinds of thing the metaphor can mean.
Unhealthy flower = unhealthy spirit, in one way or another. Weird flower = weird spirit, in ways that we can usually get a hint at by thinking for ten seconds. Normal healthy flower = basically healthy personality, whose dominant traits line up with the type of flower in question.
There's no burning mystery here to resolve, any more than there's a burning mystery involving the secrets of a speedometer.
Or maybe there is a deeper level to all this, but we've had absolutely no indication that it exists, and being able to access the already-known level of "heart flower as diagnostic for the spirit" is quite useful as it is.
I'm not "asking you to be disruptive."
I'm informing you that you insulted me.
"All you really did" included an insulting comment.
You say that "all you did" was show joy at being proven right. But no, you did more than that, perhaps by accident. Because you also threw shade at people. You also misrepresented their actions and opinions in a way that coincidentally made you look good and made them look bad.
You can say you didn't mean to be insulting as much as you like, and maybe that's true.
If it's true, then presumably you're concerned about how you accidentally insulted someone. How you accidentally gave someone this impression.
Presumably you want to know what went wrong, and talk about it, so it won't happen again.
I'd like to think that's what you want.
Because I've reached the point where if that's not what you want, if you want to pretend that you didn't insult me and that it never happened, I'm going to assume that these insults of yours are not accidents, then I need start thinking a bit differently about how I interact with you.
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So you have a choice, @Kkutlord .
You can be open and honest and good-faith, in which case your next move is obvious: "Wow, Simon, I didn't mean to insult you, sorry about that. Would you mind explaining what happened and why it made you feel bad? Just because I didn't mean to insult you, doesn't mean it's okay for me to make you feel insulted."
Or you can just keep pretending this never happened, and that I'm just hating on you for no reason because you know exactly what you said, and you objectively said exactly what you meant to say, and you're by definition a good person so by definition the things you said were good and reasonable, and anyone who disagrees is just being angry at you and bullying you for no reason. In which case that is not open or honest or good faith, and I need to start taking steps appropriate to dealing with that kind of personality.
So.
Which will it be?
Open, honest good faith, in which case you acknowledge that you've offended someone and ask about it so you can figure out how to avoid doing the same thing all over again tomorrow?
Or self-loving, dishonest bad faith?
I'm curious to see which response you have in your next post, @Kkutlord .
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- Location
- United States
Sailor Saturn. the only Senshi that has yet to Awaken. It's sad that she is not joining the fun and grateful that Nothing has yet to show up that needs Saturn's intervention.
Though if something that Truly needs Saturn to Awaken happens then even Pluto might get involved.
Though if something that Truly needs Saturn to Awaken happens then even Pluto might get involved.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
Seeing as I didn't do anything wrong, that makes me wonder how much the Youma will hold a grudge post-purification? Usagi and Naru only recently got their Healing Escalations right? Given how most of the Youma have been homicidally violent, there never seemed a reason to spare them before. That'll be awkward for the Sailor Senshi to process.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Me too; there are so many emergencies going on that we're kind of spoiled for choice.
Maybe Samui herself had the same thought. "I'm briefing you about an emergency... uh, which one?"
It's entirely possible that Usagi just absent-mindedly summoned the Eyes of the Heart onto her face, the same way she summoned the signet stamp when she needed to persuade Phobos and Deimos of her bona fides.
We've been told Usagi wears the Eyes of the Heart pretty routinely these days, normally pushed up on her head so she can drop them down quickly without drawing quite so much attention. Though they're still big garish glittery sunglasses so that "quite so much" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
It was to the point that Usagi basically forgot she was wearing them in the Night Market, even though she hadn't exactly been using them previously to check out the heart flowers of everyone she saw.
I mean, probably a combination of stress and relief.
Because swole though he is, I kind of doubt Genjuro's ready to go ten rounds with someone or something like Kintoleski, and I suspect he knows it.
Hm. Maybe we SHOULD invite him down here to have a boxing match with Kintoleski then.
Hm. In that case it's quite possible that if we'd Moon Healing Escalated this particular youma, we'd have gotten exactly the same result we got anyway.
I mean that seems a bit unfair, it's not like he's carrying a sword, but then, when you operate at this level such things are kind of a minor detail.
Literally nothing. I'm starting to worry that we're dealing with a case of "I'm always right, and when I'm wrong I rearrange my memories so that I was either right all along, or so that whatever proved me wrong never actually happened" here.
Honestly, I am not sure what exactly was proven right we thought was wrong...
Moon Healing Escalation can do area-effect; we broke a mind control spell on a bunch of cops all at once during Prisoner Problems.
The big difference is that we have a pretty good idea what Moon Healing Escalation is supposed to do from canon, and nothing we've seen so far indicates any significant deviation from canon in that particular respect.
Terra Healing Escalation is a big unknown X-factor. The main remaining mystery is whether it:
1) Transforms any youma into whatever its "base" form would be without corruption, be that form human or yokai.
2) Transforms only youma that were once corrupted nonhuman 'yokai' back into their original 'yokai' selves, and has no effect on youma that were never yokai.
3) Transforms only youma that were specifically never human into non-corrupted selves. Even if the youma was never, strictly speaking, a yokai. But has no effect on youma that were once human.
4) Transforms any youma into a 'purified' and less malevolent version of itself, but retains the youma's basic monstrous form, even if they were formerly human.
There may be some other possibilities I haven't thought of, too.
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Oh, one other thing, @Elder Haman . I don't think this youma's behavior is as different from the norm as you think. If you go back over youma we've seen in the past, "if I kill you and bring your head to my master they will reward me, DIE DIE DIE" is actually pretty firmly within their normal behavior envelope. I honestly think this youma's weird behavior isn't so much a specific symptom of being corrupted through a different process, they're just (metaphorically speaking) high on more than average of the same drug that all youma are high on all the time.
Soo, pure speculation time. Seeing as that youma was originally a Night-gaunt, going by Mythos is the DK- Base in a corrupted part of the Dreamlands?
Again, a night-gaunt works really well as a monster, visually. To the point where it's utterly unsurprising that Lunaryon would use it as the base visuals for a youma. Monstrous but still vaguely humanoid physique- very consistent with the general appearance of many youma.
Lunaryon regularly uses non-Sailor Moon art for youma that she's making up and that aren't a specific canonical character, and I doubt this is different just because that particular youma superficially resembles a night-gaunt.
@Kkutlord , was that directed at me?
Please answer 'yes' or 'no,' it's a very simple and reasonable question and I think I deserve an answer.
I've been quite patient with you and put considerable time and effort into communicating with you in good faith, and at a bare minimum I think I deserve to know whether I'm being spoken to or not.
Grue
滅亡迅雷
- Location
- -
The mobile game's reaction to Genjuro has been "what the fuck is this guy" twice from what I recall, once by the alternate who's into sci-fi, once by the mobile game's Big Bad when they made the mistake of attacking without Noise. He's probably comparitively less ridiculous here with a bunch of Senshi running around, but I expect him to have reasonably high Prowess and probably a 'Teach/Learn new stuff via appropriate movies' trait.Hm. Maybe we SHOULD invite him down here to have a boxing match with Kintoleski then.
Probably wants to shore up his durability though, that's how both of his losses hit in canon.
NHO
Dumb is a state of existence
- Location
- ᓚᘏᗢ
I just want Ranma to meet him. Poor guy has a major need for sane, responsible adult who's extra-proficient with martial arts.
Kkutlord
Prince of Breath
- Location
- Indianapolis, Indiana
I literally don't get why you and ten others are convinced I insulted you. But I know I'll just get banned if I don't apologize. I also don't get why you're insistent I do that in-thread. I apologize, I still don't get why your response was to throw out essays insisting I'm a horrible human being.
I wouldn't be too worried about Saturn, though there's also no telling if she'll be a problem sooner… maybe we should try to check on her? Not sure if the "Search for Senshi" roll will be contested by Pluto. Though it is also a possibility we get "Look for Pretty Cures".