- Location
- San Ramon, CA
It'll still be a step above the "cult" or "terrorist group" labels they're likely get in the news tomorrow.
Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
It'll still be a step above the "cult" or "terrorist group" labels they're likely get in the news tomorrow.
Almech_Alfarion
(Unverified Paradox)
- Location
- Roaming the Void of the Space between Spaces
In this particular case, there probably isn't much of a semantic distinction between cult, terrorist organization, and crime syndicate
- Location
- Painting, Peach's Castle
Honestly, this is probably what they are right now.
It is very likely they were a government, or at least a somewhat legitimate and strong local body able to act as a government, in the past. They forced through a lot of stuff involving the youkai and kami, proving to be dangerous to some fairly strong groups that they have since kept their geta on the necks of at every opportunity
And then they got decapitated at the very end of WWII as collateral of the nuclear bombings, followed by a lot of chaos that we only have the faintest ideas of. All we know is that Onogoro only barely pulled themselves together, some Nazis were trying to hide out, and Fred was doing his thing in his prime.
What i'm seeing here is kind of an alt-history post WWII Japan. Whereas Japan had their superiority broken to pieces and had to surrender, slowly building up their pride again and having many struggles in the aftermath, Onogoro didn't have to do shit and just kept thumping their chests, proclaiming the glory of the "true" Japan despite having been Alpha Strike'd right on their leader's face.
And this attitude, combined with losing most of their upper leadership, intelligence, and a huge chunk of the proper administrative body, dovetailed into an arrogant, superiorist complacency where they didn't actually improve anything and just kinda...sat there. Whoever got put in charge was whoever could fit their ass into the proper seat first.
Positions of leadership and authority were faced with struggles between possible successors and betwixt other authorities. Murder, blackmail, sabotage, and possibly even kinslaying for suddenly-open seats of power.
And amongst all this, emergency actions and otherwise unacceptable compromises were put into place. And by the time the dust settled and the blood stopped spilling, i'm not sure anyone left could intervene...or wanted to.
Onogoro is a sickly beast with a badly healed leg, and the only reason it hasn't been put down is because it's quietly leeching off it's brother, whose good friend is one of the biggest sharks in the ocean.
I think the most apt word for what they are to Japan proper is "Insurgents". In that they are actively trying to overthrow the goverment.
- Location
- Earth
If things were worse off with Labyrinth, I'd definitely be behind this. As seen when Soular erased the concept of mothers and Moebius decided to pull a "YOU HAVE FAILED ME FOR THE LAST TIME!" on Eas, not to mention the concept of Labyrinth and Pretty Cure Big Brother/Moebius in general, things can get fucked up with them. This is ignoring literally every major plan after Eas defects in canon, where things get arguably even nastier.
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- Location
- Dragyxx
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Well, if she goes to talk to Soular, she might get some reassurance that if her replacement demonstrates themself to be too much worse, they will not last very long at all.
That kind of thing tends to get the Sailor Senshi to prioritize you. Briefly, since a Pretty Cure general isn't going to continue being able to be that bad for very long afterwards.
That kind of thing tends to get the Sailor Senshi to prioritize you. Briefly, since a Pretty Cure general isn't going to continue being able to be that bad for very long afterwards.
- Location
- San Ramon, CA
The only way for her to talk to Soular is to break into MCAT HQ… and MCAT has already exceeded its allotment for break-ins this month, try again later.
- Location
- Dragyxx
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Hey, that's not her only option.
She can also get herself arrested on purpose, or arrange for observed visitation rights after getting recruited as a Pretty Cure.
- Location
- United States
To everyday Japanese citizen's after this, the Yazuka probably have more national respectability than the Onogoro.
If they had tried diplomacy it's possible that some of the Onogoro nobility (Such as the other imperial branch), would be able to keep some of their titles and wealth. Now the Japanese government has no incentive to be accommodating and treat the Onogoro as anything other than insurgents.
Also this attack probably is more than enough to trigger some clauses in the U.S.- Japan Security Treaty.
Hey, aren't the U.S magicals better known as mage killers?
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Come to think of it, the last All Stars: Beginnings chapter (a prelude) got the same treatment.
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Well, that's why I called it "mostly impossible."
Creating fascism requires a kind of state capacity I don't think Onogoro has.
They do at least have the ability to diplomatically receive Q Division's official representative, Nigel Goodenough who works out of the British embassy in a small office, give him a nice cup of tea, and very politely tell him to fuck off.
And they also had someone receive and talk to Unnati when she showed up in Japan.
Being ruled by Labyrinth's supercomputer Mobius is like being ruled by an evil version of ChatGPT that makes all its decisions by writing itself a prompt that reads like "Write out a plan of action for dealing with this, from the point of view of the dystopian supercomputer that dominates a pocket dimension with intrusive cyberpunk control of the citizenry and a technological base powered by the very literal misery-energy of that same citizenry."
Mobius isn't even smart, as demonstrated by its decision to casually pull the plug on by far its most determined living operative.
Given that Eas' implants were specifically made by Mobius to run on the Sorrow Energy Mobius uses for everything, it might not be as simple for her as for Naru. Naru is very magic-omnivorous; Eas may require a specialized diet or some way to remake the basis of her magical metabolism to remove her crippling dependency on a specific evil wavelength.
Well, when I say "on a timescale of a few years," I mean mostly that it's gonna take time to find Onogoro citizens who actually enjoy killing and tormenting yokai for sport and who don't already have a job that involves specifically doing that thing.
If it was just a question of "could Onogoro find 100 more people as good at fighting as the demon hunters they just lost," the answer is almost certainly "yes, quickly" and the constraint is "how fast can you convince them to risk dying for you."
Well, it IS the other event that's canonically happening on this Thursday?
UsagiQuest Eas is an authentically and seriously dangerous operative when she puts her mind to it. She's got real tactical and operational savvy, she succeeded in playing not only her middle schooler opponents but MCAT itself while armed with essentially nothing but her own sheer grit, determination, and ability to talk her profoundly stupid and callous boss into authorizing expenses.
It is a bad idea to count her out of any situation for as long as she's still alive.
Mobius has literally never in its entire existence done anything that could possibly deserve her.
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Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Honestly, I don't think that S0-LR83275 is in much condition to talk right now. He might be up and mobile with the help of a cane... but that's about it.
Now, talking to WS-7R35W2P might be more helpful when it comes to reassuring people. Then again... Well he did try to fill the sorrow gauge by giving everyone silly haircuts, so if he is as good at making people feel good as he is at making people feel bad...
Spart117MC
Amateur human
- Location
- Cali
Money maybe but most certainly not titles, at least not in a way that the Ministry is accustomed to. The Japanese Constitution explicitly abolishes the nobility. Article 14 reads as such:
Conversely, while the Shadow Emperor could potentially get brought into the Imperial Household and maybe retain their noble titles, there's no telling if they could retain their wealth. Depending on how one interprets the situation, the Shadow Emperor attempting to bring in their money into the Imperial Household could trigger Article 8.
Then there's Article 88.
Meaning that even if the Ministry had made overtures and the Shadow Emperor was permitted to peaceably become a part of the Imperial Household, doing so would strip them off all their political power and material wealth. For as stupid as they've been, truthfully fighting really is the only option left for the IMO outside of capitulation, because peace is as much death for the Ministry as losing war.
- Location
- Peterborough
While remaining nobles may be out of the question, any noble family that has the ability to create useful magic items, for instance the Hinomaya clans rockets, would probably be able to keep their wealth and get power by virtue of having the ability to create and sell items that the government and population would have an interest in purchasing. If the noble houses were smart, they would be trying to figure out how to go from rich noble family, to family owned business.
Xexilf
Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
If Onogoro had been more diplomatic earlier, they might have gotten quite a bit, since "we are under attack by literal magic, and the world will end if we don't get it under control" is one hell of a motivator, so the Diet may have been willing to bend the rules quite far if it got a 1000+ trained combat mages and supporting infrastructure etc. on board quickly. However with Onogoro being this obtuse, and especially after the stunt tonight, their bargaining position has dropped trough the floor. At this point the best the nobles can possibly hope for would be something like "we recognize that you are legally called that, but all privileges of such titles are revoked", if even that.
...Wasn't the pretty cure gathering the next day?
UsagiQuest Eas is an authentically and seriously dangerous operative when she puts her mind to it. She's got real tactical and operational savvy, she succeeded in playing not only her middle schooler opponents but MCAT itself while armed with essentially nothing but her own sheer grit, determination, and ability to talk her profoundly stupid and callous boss into authorizing expenses.
It is a bad idea to count her out of any situation for as long as she's still alive.
Mobius has literally never in its entire existence done anything that could possibly deserve her.
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Well unfortunately for it and fortunately for us and her she's not going to be one of it's agent for much longer.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Midnight Incident is Thursday night. Some shit goes down involving the Nightmare Corporation, the villains of Yes! Pretty Cure 5, on Friday afternoon. The big Pretty Cure picnic-or-whatever we're planning happens Saturday.
- Location
- Peterborough
I'm sure gathering pretty much every Pretty Cure in one place isn't going to draw the attention of a lot of people and result in problems. Maybe we should invite Nanoha to the party as well. After this battle, she could use some interaction with people who have gone through what she has.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I think we did invite Nanoha, but I could be wrong.
...Then what big event did we have on thursday that overlapped with the Midnight incident?
*Looks at the last one* *Looks at the Midnight incident* ...Well if our enemies save us the trouble of hunting them down I'm all for it.
We didn't have any 'big events' but we did have 'a nice calm night' before this event interrupted with all it's crisis.
On the other hand, the Precure are their own protagonists, and are off doing their own things, and will arrive on Saturday with a LOT of stories to tell. And also, since the event is titled 'All Stars' you know there's gonna be a special, one night only villain who's gonna take about 16 precures, 8 Senshi, Nanoha, and assorted other magical girls to the face.
Huh, on that note, I wonder what Eas would come out the other side as if Naru Yokai-fied her, not that she probably would, given the whole ethical quagmire of transmogrifying a sapient lifeform, but it is mildly interesting to wonder about what a cyborg would become on the other end of the process
DarkHabit
Soldier of Twilight
- Location
- the border of good and evil
Well she's certainly going to find lo-
Damn it Setsuna!Looks like Eas found Love and is gonna find love.
Pretty much the same reason guns and rifleman supplanted knights and archers in the real world.
A quote I once read: "to train an archer, you must start with his grandfather"
Rifleman can be mass trained in a matter of months, while older forms of combat required years of dedication and training on top of supplemental upbringings.
- Location
- San Ramon, CA
Here's a question: is Cure Sword invited to the get-together? I know that Alice hired her alter ego so that she wouldn't just be a homeless vagrant, but I don't think we've had formal introductions yet.
- Location
- Peterborough
What is the likelihood of the various Pretty Cure teams we are friends with running into a team we haven't met yet and pointing them our way? Or pointing us in their way?