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Usagi Quest (CK3/Princess Maker) (Sailor Moon)
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Casual nitpick: The Arthas was some sort of recon cruiser, wasn't it? Doesn't seem like a likely contender for a capital ship, because it's assigned a mission out in the sticks and has no escorts or supporting fleet train.
Or are you thinking of an incident I am ignorant of, having only watched the actual first season itself?
The Athra is a capital ship like Enterprise and Voyager are capital ships. They go on long range missions to survey the dimensional sea and hopefully solve Lost Logia shaped problems with no support from Midchilda until they cruise all the way back.
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Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
Presumably the idea was that if she finds whatever mircaulous healing she thinks is in Al-Hazred, it could then fix her issues too.
Winged One
Not the Simurgh
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>not naming it Ghost Buster
SuperBigMac
My titles: MacTheEditor; SuperiorPosterior
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Going along with the Nanoha naming schema, I believe Ghost Buster would channel Negative, rather than Positive. Though I can definitely believe that for Nanoha, Bustin' makes her feel good
Who ya gonna call? Sailor Senshi!
Who ya gonna call?? Midchilda!!
Who ya gonna call?!? Fair Remedies!!!
I feel like, if this were to be true, at a minimum the planetary mana wells have to be natural. Maybe the process of grafting those into a person shape is magical infrastructure, but the source can't be to my eye.
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I agree with everything everyone is saying
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So you're saying it's Naru's one then?
Note: This is NOT something we want the TSAB to conclude. At all. Keep in mind that to the TSAB, Lost Logia have a distressingly high tendency to be barely contained apocalypses.
The Al-Hazard were generally just assholes who made a giant mess of things.
Belka? Look: The main difference between the one in Ace Combat and this one is that Ace Combat is limited to nukes and lasers. These are a bunch of insane war hungry monsters who went around trying to conquer their neighbors in the dimensional sea...while still not having even unified Belka. To the point that its in-universe suggested that Belka itself died because of a cold war between 2 nations on Belka and their weapons. The Belkans respond by launching the Saint Kaiser Wars. Because of course, leveling your civilization after that is a good idea. Naturally, everyone not Belka nearby learned fast that surviving Belka meant the ability to break belkan things fast. So they made their own apocalypses in a can and threw them in the general direction of the Belkans.
This has left the Dimensional Sea littered with a giant pile of undiscovered ticking time bombs that can ruin entire worlds. This means that Lost Logia are often something you figure out how to either destroy safely or keep locked up inert before even thinking about how to safely use it. They have little reason to trust we are safe to leave free without considerable proof. After all, there is several of those apocalypses that are contained in living breathing talking containers.
Almech_Alfarion
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OTOH, The STAB also seem to be more lenient to said person-shaped apocalypses-in-a-can as long as they at least appear to be sane and in control of their overwhelming destructive potential. They would much prefer that these walking apocalypses be registered under STAB military jurisdiction, possibly as ranking officers if they're competent enough, but that also generally doesn't stop the STAB from contriving various charges to force them into either serving as probationary mages or prison, even when the "crimes" are committed outside of their technical territorial jurisdiction such as UAW#97.
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I agree that the source of power probably needs to be naturally occurring.
How we get from "planet capable of supporting senshi" to "senshi", i don't know.
Maybe a planet needs to be awakened somehow?
Maybe senshi can happen naturally, but usually don't outside extremely rare circumstances, but once you know how, it is relatively simple (if resource intensive) to awaken a planet and encourage one to either choose an avatar, or create one out of nothing in the shape of the awakeners?
Or possible every planet has a Senshi, but most are currently either dead or unaware of their power.
I dunno.
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It's TSAB, "Time Space Administration Bureou", Not STAB, which means "Same Type Attack Bonus".
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Almech_Alfarion
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An alternative arrangement to the acronym used early on in the series but quickly changed was "Space Time Administration Bureau", or STAB. Also, I am fully aware of what I am doing by choosing to arrange the acronym in this manner. It is very deliberate.
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Qith NNOH I could see us reviving Alicia and let a breif renioun before Precia is arrested and put away for all eternity.
Okay, crazy theory time.
*remembers Amazon Quartet*
Never mind, that doesn't work. I was thinking it was something involving bringing people together, which would explain why there is no Sailor Earth.
We know Tethys was the first Senshi in the Sol system, so we just need to figure out how she came to be,
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Hm.
Classically, international treaties have defined "capital ships" as the largest and most formidable warship type then in existence; the notable exception was aircraft carriers not being regarded as capital ships until 1942, by which point Pearl Harbor and Midway had done a good job of proving the point that they were very effective, commensurate with or superior to a battleship of roughly comparable tonnage.
The fact that a ship goes on long range independent solo missions to survey the dimensional sea is not, in itself, proof of capital ship status. Indeed, most navies would assign that responsibility to a relatively smaller class of specialist ship. There are good reasons to do this. First, it makes the survey ships cheaper, so you can afford to operate more of them and cover more territory on a fixed budget and fixed number of personnel. Second, optimizing a ship for extreme range, endurance, and mechanical reliability will typically come at the cost of having less room to cram military hardware aboard, because there are always tradeoffs in ship design. A ship optimized to win battles against hard-hitting opposition will not look quite like a ship optimized to explore strange new worlds (compare HMS Victory to HMS Beagle; this pattern has persisted for a long time). Third, survey ships will of necessity be very far away from any central location or base, and so cannot be recalled quickly in an emergency. The TSAB would presumably not want to be completely unable to get its most expensive and largest class of warships concentrated to fight a pitched battle against some single threat to their heartland, creating a pressure to differentiate between survey ships and battleships.
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Starfleet, of course, handles things a bit differently, but Starfleet is very, very mildly military and likes to put its best foot forward in first contact situations by having its deep-space explorer ships like the Enterprise-nil (TOS) and Enterprise-D (TNG) be relatively well-founded and luxurious ships. Especially by the TNG era. Most navies in the same position would have made the big Galaxy-class starships more warlike and heavily equipped for combat (in case of the need to fight a major battle). For deep space exploration roles, they'd rely on something a lot smaller... appropriately something like the Intrepid-class ships such as Voyager, which is much smaller than the Enterprise-D, has a much smaller crew complement, and as a happy side effect of being smaller, can do things like land on a planetary surface which the Enterprise-D cannot.
Voyager is definitely not a "capital ship" in the normal sense. Note that it was never designed as a 'flagship' or 'go solve enormous problems' ship by itself. The part where the ship wasn't really supposed to be well suited for getting stranded in the Delta Quadrant and having to do that kind of thing by itself for years at a time was in fact kind of the point, as I recall.
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Now, the ability to "solve Lost Logia problems without help" does sound more like a capital ship mission... But then, Lost Logia problems are insanely diverse. Sometimes, having a good archaeologist or linguist on board would matter a lot more than having biggatons. And given how important Lost Logia problem can be, I'd expect any TSAB ship to be under orders to try to examine any Lost Logia problem and either try to solve it, scream for help, or both, regardless of that ship's tonnage or nominal fitness for purpose. If the ship can't handle it, well, that just moves their response towards the "scream for help" end of the spectrum; it doesn't mean they don't have a response at all.
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So to sum up, I'd say that whether the Arthra is a "capital ship" has little to do with whether it does long independent cruises (many navies had light ships classed as 'sloops' or 'cruisers' or 'frigates' for that role), or whether it tries to address Lost Logia problems it encounters, and everything to do with whether by TSAB standards it's a big chonky fighty ship.
The ship is built around a weapon of mass destruction. A spatial rupture cannon that can kill anything within miles of the focal point, and is explicitly unsafe to use on targets on a planetary surface owing to what happens when you core out a hole with a radius of several miles.
This is their contingency for if Lost Logia containment fails. Spatial rip at least temporarily stops the thing. At the cost of anyone on the same rock as it.
When the Cradle reactivated the TSAB fleet was recalled to engage, most of which are variations on that model.
This is their contingency for if Lost Logia containment fails. Spatial rip at least temporarily stops the thing. At the cost of anyone on the same rock as it.
When the Cradle reactivated the TSAB fleet was recalled to engage, most of which are variations on that model.
Almech_Alfarion
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From my understanding, the Athra is either a very large frigate or a mid-size cruiser in terms of tonnage and crew compliment by STAB ratings. Think less Star Wars, Trek, or Halo for general sizes, and more along the range of Mass Effect. I believe Strikers had one scene where the Saint's Cradle was next to three of the STAB's actual capital ships, and they were absolutely dwarfed.
As for biggatons, in A's when she was equipped with the Arc-En-Ciel, the STAB's most powerful capital ship weapon, it was just barely large enough to mount One, and they still had to completely retrofit the superstructure and hull. This is very much not standard equipment for a vessel of the Athra's class.
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Eh. The thing is, the TSAB has demonstrated that they're flexible in their response to Lost Logia, because "Lost Logia" Is a category in the same sense that "animal" is a category. A shark, a bear, a swarm of bees, and a rabid dog are all animals and are all potentially dangerous, but you handle them very differently because they're very different, diverse types of thing.
And one thing the TSAB does seem to be pretty good about is making sure that humanoid Lost Logia aren't treated in such a way that they are at risk of going berserk and blowing up planets as part of an escape attempt. So in this case, their most likely response is "Hm, they seem to be planning to stay in the star system of Unadministered World #97 for the foreseeable future. They respond favorably to conversation, diplomatic appeals, and in the leader's case, bonbons. We have no idea how hard it would be to force them into some kind of sealed containment vessel, but it sounds like a bad idea."
Because they're not the SCP Foundation; they don't have nigh-unlimited resources to commit to "containing" things purely for the sake of having them "contained."
Although trying to arrest a person of mass destruction on trumped-up charges rapidly escalates to "you and what army" concerns, in the specific case of likely responses to us.
Not gonna lie, Almech, the deliberate effort to go absolutely all-in on never letting anyone forget how much you dislike the TSAB is starting to feel a bit... weird. At least for me.
Do we know Tethys was the first? I did a search for her name.
Hm.
Endymion said "they were the first guardians to rise."
The plain interpretation of that is certainly that either Elil or Tethys was the first, or that they arose at the same time, barring weird shenanigans involving Sailor(s) Pluto or something.
But you said Tethys, specifically was first. Did I miss something?
I know this may come across as me being willfully obtuse, but in all seriousness, the fact that a ship is armed with powerful weapons of mass destruction does not, in and of itself, mean that it is a capital ship.
Now that is suggestive. The Cradle was exactly the kind of problem that would motivate the TSAB to get their main line of battle mobilized and available to cover Midchilda in the shortest possible time.
If the ships that showed up were built to the same general scale and had the same general type of armament as the Arthra, being no more than a little bit larger or a little bit more heavily armed, that strongly suggests that the Arthra is in line with the TSAB's idea of a capital ship. Then again...
Well, this. So I dunno.
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Almech_Alfarion
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Maybe. I see it as less as never letting others forget and more sticking to my petty conviction. I am aware that the acronym I choose use for them is not the "official" one, and wish to avoid being "corrected" on it all the time and would rather not get in a whole argument over it. I'm aware my displeasure is not universally shared, and I'm not even really trying to convince anyone that they are the gr8ist evul evr. Merely that they are far from the moral paragons some might mistake them as, as the "protagonist" faction of their series of origin.
If people see my use of "STAB" and merely roll their eyes and go "oh this again" and move on, I would still be content.
Spart117MC
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You say that but I cannot find a single example of that being the case in the official media, only fanworks.
Objection, your honor! Strangereal is clearly a part of the greater Nanoha universe.
There's no other way to explain the sheer volume of aces and Belkan witchcraft.
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I just assumed your autocarrot was overcarroting and you didn't bother carroting it back.
And I can and will assume so again, because this "never letting others forget ... they are far from the moral paragons some might mistake them as" stuff is just silly. TSAB doesn't have a big overstanning problem, especially when you compare them to, like, Imperium of Man or something.
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I'm just going to be honest with my opinion every time you mention stab my eyes just glaze over and the entire post comes off as something grounded more in bad fan fiction than canon. TSAB isn't perfect but the way you talk about them basically comes off as them not ever even trying to do the right thing and being actively malicious in all of their interations.
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K.
To be clear I'm not sure I've ever said anything to suggest I would compare them to literal Space Nazis (Imperium of Man). And they do have good people in them. Mostly the actual protagonists of the various series'. My main issues with them stem from the nepotism and corruption of the ever distant top brass who fund black supersoldier projects run by sociopaths like Jail and then get surprised pikachu faced when said sociopaths turn on them, as well of their general handling of non-administrated worlds and their habit of poaching strong magical talent from them even in absense of Lost Logia 1to justify meddling in violation of their "prime directive equivalent".
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