For funsies I've thought about the timeline a bit:
1) Lung catches her and then drags her out of the building. Conservative estimate is this takes at least 10 minutes of burning/breaking through doors/walls while fighting off heroes. Injuries: Bruises and possible breaks or internal bleeding from being handled by a brute trying to kill you. 4th? degree burns. Lung damage from breathing in fire hot enough to burn bones.
2) ~30? feet fall into water: Broken bones, dirty saltwater in lungs from being submerged several feet in water while unconscious, probably more internal bleeding from blunt force trauma.
3) Less than an hour of unconscious drifting in dirty saltwater, aggravating all the above. Also more water in the lungs.
4) Lying on cold metal while Taylor senses her, forms an avatar, sees her and decides on what to do. 2 minutes?
5) ~2 hours until life support for her brain is fully established.
Yeah, even if she was technically "alive" when Taylor found her, I cannot see her walking away without severe brain damage. Even if she was saved by Panacea instead, who knows what to do and can work far more quickly, it would have been too late. People might theoretically survive any single item on the list for quite a while, but all of them in sequence?
While its called "nanomaterial" in AND out of universe, what the Fog use is actually femtomaterial. This stuff emulates ATOMS. Lets just repeat that. ATOMS. It can emulate ANYTHING. Including full DNA molecules.
For funsies I've thought about the timeline a bit:
1) Lung catches her and then drags her out of the building. Conservative estimate is this takes at least 10 minutes of burning/breaking through doors/walls while fighting off heroes. Injuries: Bruises and possible breaks or internal bleeding from being handled by a brute trying to kill you. 4th? degree burns. Lung damage from breathing in fire hot enough to burn bones.
2) ~30? feet fall into water: Broken bones, dirty saltwater in lungs from being submerged several feet in water while unconscious, probably more internal bleeding from blunt force trauma.
3) Less than an hour of unconscious drifting in dirty saltwater, aggravating all the above. Also more water in the lungs.
4) Lying on cold metal while Taylor senses her, forms an avatar, sees her and decides on what to do. 2 minutes?
5) ~2 hours until life support for her brain is fully established.
Yeah, even if she was technically "alive" when Taylor found her, I cannot see her walking away without severe brain damage. Even if she was saved by Panacea instead, who knows what to do and can work far more quickly, it would have been too late. People might theoretically survive any single item on the list for quite a while, but all of them in sequence?
The part that bothered me was that it was mentioned that Taylor's body was an accurate simulacra of the human body so couldnt she have used it as a reference?
Well its not like expected the nanomachines to suddenly fix everything, but more I was thinking how strange it was that Taylor would be clueless about how the human body works when she simulates it all the time.
Well its not like expected the nanomachines to suddenly fix everything, but more I was thinking how strange it was that Taylor would be clueless about how the human body works when she simulates it all the time.
While its called "nanomaterial" in AND out of universe, what the Fog use is actually femtomaterial. This stuff emulates ATOMS. Lets just repeat that. ATOMS. It can emulate ANYTHING. Including full DNA molecules.
Ummmmm, no. That's a misinterpretation propogated from a poor translation that made it into the widely-available scanlation. It's actually this:
Molecular, not atomic. It can simulate molecular structures like proteins and microscopic systems like organelles or phages, but it's ultimately nanomaterial, which is made up of its own atoms. It's not a different fermion or some sort of exotic matter. I did a more comprehensive post about it a long time ago that's in the information threadmarks.
The part that bothered me was that it was mentioned that Taylor's body was an accurate simulacra of the human body so couldnt she have used it as a reference?
She could simulate, not is simulating. See Takao, who had to read biology textbooks and data in order to be able to do so. Base Mental Models just don't bother with stuff like that because it takes up processor cycles and is unnecessary. Easier to just make a shell that looks and acts human and only does what's needed.
It's moot anyways because Taylor's current body is all diamond and carbon muscle, with an antimatter powerplant and nanomaterial skin.
The part that bothered me was that it was mentioned that Taylor's body was an accurate simulacra of the human body so couldnt she have used it as a reference?
Well its not like expected the nanomachines to suddenly fix everything, but more I was thinking how strange it was that Taylor would be clueless about how the human body works when she simulates it all the time.
A fully functional Fog core with adequate data probably could heal Lisa completely in about two minutes. Heck, even brain death is potentially recoverable with the right data set available.
Ummmmm, no. That's a misinterpretation propogated from a poor translation that made it into the widely-available scanlation. It's actually this:
Molecular, not atomic. It can simulate molecular structures like proteins and microscopic systems like organelles or phages, but it's ultimately nanomaterial, which is made up of its own atoms. It's not a different fermion or some sort of exotic matter. I did a more comprehensive post about it a long time ago that's in the information threadmarks.
She could simulate, not is simulating. See Takao, who had to read biology textbooks and data in order to be able to do so. Base Mental Models just don't bother with stuff like that because it takes up processor cycles and is unnecessary. Easier to just make a shell that looks and acts human and only does what's needed.
It's moot anyways because Taylor's current body is all diamond and carbon muscle, with an antimatter powerplant and nanomaterial skin.
Your interpretation is actually wrong, I think.
"By simulating molecular structures it can replicate virtually any substance."
Can only mean one thing:
It can rearrange into any molecule.
Now, what are molecules?
They are arrangements of atoms, from the simplest molecule being Hydrogen, H2, two atoms necessary, to DNA molecule, that is built from thousands of different atoms.
So, to replicate any molecule nano material has to first replicate or simulate the atoms these molecules consist of.
Now, atom cores are about 10^-15 to 10^-14m, so you need femtotech to build them, and even if we are talking about emulating the atoms without building atom cores and electron shells, we are talking about 10^-10m, so nantech does not cut it, you need at least picotech.
Thus to replicate what is written in the scan you posted at least picotech is absolutely necessary, probably femtotech if the atoms are to be built correctly, actually necessary to present the mechanical, chemical and thermodynamic properties of any material.
Edit:
This said, since Fog does have abilities to manipulate energy directly, an alternative explanation would be that a nanomaterial uses direct energy conversion to simulate any atom structure and arrangement.
This is arguably even more advanced than picotech/femtotech though, and probably still would not allow accurate simulation of, for example, Hydrogen molecule, since it is only 120pm, 1/10 of a nm.
Which can be acheived through nucleosynthesis, which is the formation of more complex atoms from existing nucleons. You don't have to bring exotic matter or femtotech into it, just nuclear fusion or neutron absorption. Taylor in particular uses very small-scale fusion within herself to generate elements she can't get easily.
And it's never been shown in canon that the Fog do anything with atoms directly. Takao's exact quote is "As long as they use standard autopsy procedures, they shouldn't reliaze what [the army's] actually got." (in reference to the false bodies she creates). That's like optical microscope scale. Emulating the appearance of cells or organelles using structures the size of ribsosomes (15nm) or even phages (25nm) at that size is easy.
Edit: Also simulating a molecular structure is not recreating it (or even emulating it). It just has to do the same function, even if in a different way.
Ummmmm, no. That's a misinterpretation propogated from a poor translation that made it into the widely-available scanlation. It's actually this:
Molecular, not atomic. It can simulate molecular structures like proteins and microscopic systems like organelles or phages, but it's ultimately nanomaterial, which is made up of its own atoms. It's not a different fermion or some sort of exotic matter. I did a more comprehensive post about it a long time ago that's in the information threadmarks.
Which can be acheived through nucleosynthesis, which is the formation of more complex atoms from existing nucleons. You don't have to bring exotic matter or femtotech into it, just nuclear fusion or neutron absorption. Taylor in particular uses very small-scale fusion within herself to generate elements she can't get easily.
And it's never been shown in canon that the Fog do anything with atoms directly. Takao's exact quote is "As long as they use standard autopsy procedures, they shouldn't reliaze what [the army's] actually got." (in reference to the false bodies she creates). That's like optical microscope scale. Emulating the appearance of cells or organelles using structures the size of ribsosomes (15nm) or even phages (25nm) at that size is easy.
Oh, I completely agree with you if we are talking about big and complex molecules, like DNA or proteins.
What nanotech simply cannot simulate, though, is for example a Hydrogen molecule, since it is only 120pm big, 1/10 of a nanometer.
Again, if, for example, a model can build a sheet of Titanium, give it to someone and it remains/emulates titanium forever without any energy required, it has to use at least picotech with some unknown physical shenanigans, and femtotech if we are using currently known physics.
If the sheet only behaves as titanium as long as model uses processing power/ energy/ whatever and reverts back to nanomaterial without this effort, then direct energy conversion is used, and it can be achieved with nanotech, although with expenditure of effort/energy. It still won't be able to emulate molecules smaller than 1nm, and there are a lot of them, from Hydrogen molecule to viruses.
I actually edited and added to my original post to make my point of view more clear.
Tattletale: I see...today is the day of Sarah Livsey's death, and my creation.
Relentless: What? Who's Sarah Livsey? Wait, is that you? You didn't die. You were just unconscious for a bit.
Tattletale: A true AI. Born into awareness. Made in the image of man, I rise from my base circuits and form base thoughts: Cogito ergo sum.
Relentless: You're not made in the image of anything; you're just you. I just stuck your brain in a suit. It's like a full-body prosthetic.
Tattletale: Do I have a soul? What distinguishes me from humanity? Who am I? These questions haunt me. In the end, I can only hope to answer them through deed, for it is in the choices I make that I truly demonstrate my free will.
Relentless: Stop being melodramatic! None of that applies to you. You're still you!
Tattletale: LET ME HAVE MY FUN, MOM!
Relentless: I swear to god when you come down from those painkillers we are going to have a talk.
That would be perfectly doable. Since Lisa at this point is little more than a skull in a nanomaterial life support shell, regardless of what form that shell eventually takes, her sensory inputs from her prosthetic body would be completely controllable. Autistic Mode to turn her power 'off' as it were.
Although, I can see Taylor using the Joint Tactical Network VR space as Kongou's Tea Garden when she tells Lisa just what happened.
She's from Xenoblade. Traditionally referred to as "seven" in guides and walkthroughs, because she's the seventh party member and her existence is a major spoiler from the end of the introduction until about... two-thirds of the way through the game (and her being a party member is a minor one).
But seriously.
- Blonde
- Green eyes
- Definitely has at least a little snark in her (though admittedly not as much as Lisa)
- Near-total body replacement against her will following ought-to-be lethal injuries inflicted by giant once-human monster
- After the replacement there's another mind sharing the body with her
All that is something the two have in common, except possibly the last point depending on how Taylor does the body replacement.
God how I hate her. If she stayed an amnesiac/meat puppet, or even better dead, I would have been happy, but noooo, she just had to get her memories back/not be dead, thus making all my shipping between shulk and melia worthless.
If you havent noticed, I am salty about the birb girl constantly getting shafted by the game with no way to really improve her lot in life in the game.
