Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I know the discussion has gone on and I'm late to the party, but I wanted to comment on this - not at you directly, just using this comment as a springboard - do any of us think Ling Qi is a powerful cultivator, yet? It's obvious she has good potential and speed of growth, but she's still only a second year apprentice, and not even one that's drawn the eye of a specific master to apprentice, just standard lessons and challenges. 'Powerful compared to a mortal' isn't powerful as a cultivator, is it?

I wasn't here for the Cai vote either, but it does provide us with more personal control of our situation than heading for basic military service. I don't like that the job doesn't have an end date, but since Ling Qi will have her own estate and future husband-to-be-arranged, it can't just be standing around at Cai's side looking helpful.

I wouldn't mind some future clarity on what Ling Qi's role will be, but I don't think Cai knows yet - does she want a bard or a spymaster? If Ling Qi becomes one or the other, is that better? Is both better? Cai's still figuring this out, too.

I see direct Cai vassalage as somewhat out of character, but with purpose - it's a very direct way to get lessons in politics she'll need to be a good noble, and Ling Qi is nothing if not motivated to get the best education possible at whatever she wants/needs to do. If politics is what she's going to have to do, she's going to be great at politics.
Cai Renxiang doesn't need a specific job filled. She's looking for three things:
1) Loyalty. She explicitly chose Ling Qi to make the offer to first, because she saw that Ling Qi's loyalty, once given, is something she goes All In on. This is extremely important because most of Renxiang's assets are actually exclusively loyal to Shenhua personally, not her clan.

2) Drive. Ling Qi is a known workaholic and sets her cultivation standards by Meizhen, who's herself a workaholic. She can handle the kind of pressure that's on Renxiang.

3) Talent. This is actually one of the least of her motivation, but it gatekeeps the above two. Without Talent, both would come to nought.
I think this is just a different character interpretation - I saw him making the offer as 'maybe, I guess, if you're interesting later, I might, mostly because the moon likes you.' I saw it as a very half-hearted offer.
He actually elaborates on it. He was literally forbidden from recruiting from the Outer Sect first years.
Part of the buy in for the nobles is the ability to recruit promising young commoners as retainers and vassals, so they get first pick of whoever's willing.
Xiulan did not in fact increase her talent, she got some nice bonuses that i don't know the specifics of
Also noting that Talent is a mechanical abstraction.
In setting, people more often have narrow Talent which applies to particular types of cultivation.

Of course LQ would have to deal with politics on some level regardless of what she chose but I thought that the Sect choice would allow her some freedom, whereas she's expected to follow CRX's orders now.
Its a common misunderstanding.
As a Sect member she has the freedom of an academic, and a soldier. She's free to do things...within the Sect, and she'd be expected to fulfill jobs for the Sect, jobs which also become harder to just ditch on someone else, because the Sect isn't that large(observe Jiao's grumbling because he's basically the only Formation master they have capable of containing a restrained spar between a Prism and a White). He'd much rather be working on his dream chariot.

As a Cai vassal, she has more freedom in personal matters, a Feudal lord cannot directly interfere in the affairs of their vassal's land, personal retainer or not, while others cannot interfere in her business without considering her direct superior(i.e. as a direct vassal of a Duke, a Baron has protection against interference from Counts and the like, though if they abuse this the offended party can direct the Duke to discipline their vassal). We'd be expected to spend most of our time after the Sect and army working on our fief, save for the times of year where Renxiang goes to court and requires out attendance.

The main split is between Duties and Orders. Constant duties or infrequent orders.
Gan Guangli is not a good example, he behaves like a soldier/bodyguard, not a vassal
Do we know that it was Yan Renshu that tried to frame Ling Qi? (like WoG?) It's never been clear to me that we've seen anything from him capable of pretending to be Ling Qi with the fidelity we saw; and it's never been clear to me why he would frame Ling Qi at that point in the story.

Actually, everyone in setting assumed we knew he framed us. It was open knowledge to the ducals by the time he came out with the Renshubots.

They actually assumed Ling Qi attacked his base in retaliation for framing her lol
 
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[X] The ethereal green lights of the Grinning Moon.
{Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief; Mobility and Stealth Art}
 
[X] The pale grey lights of the Hidden Moon
[X] The sparkling many colored lights of the Dreaming Moon
 
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As for the current vote, let me make some arguments for Hidden Moon's option Starlight Mantle.

Our entire fighting strategy is kind of a war of attrition. We avoid getting hit while building up debuffs against enemies and buffs for allies. We count on the enemies qi running out before ours, as they waste it on trying and failing to take us out. That takes time and obviously we need to ensure we don't get hit by enemies. However we also need to ensure that we can weather the attacks we are unable to dodge. I mean, we're pretty difficult for enemies to hit as of now but it stands to reason that any opponent who is skilled enough to successfully target us in spite of SCS, B-ranked Stealth, Avoid and Speed will hit pretty hard. We can only recover and fight back if we successfully weather such attacks. As I've noted in previous posts, our recent spar with CRX has shown that TRF is pretty weak against truly strong cultivators. We're going to need a much stronger defense in the future. Its a bit overconfident to really believe we can avoid anything our enemy throws at us, even with FotLWT. I feel like we can get something similar to FotLWT from the Cai arts archive or somewhere else, whereas Starlight Mantle sounds a lot more unique.

Why shore weaknesses instead of developing strengths more if you intend to punch up? Plus, SCS is kinda getting to its limit at Green 3, I think, and moving is much more important than tanking imo. After all, I think that group shield arts are more common than group movement arts and so our allies are more likely to help Ling Qi with those.
 
You're using different definitions of politics. You're including relationships between individuals. I believe Anima is referring to institutions and their relationships.
Well, yes I do, because in the feudal system of our setting, the relationships between individuals are explicitly political. Marriages are used to secure political alliances, personal friendships between people are a direct expression of political power. Just look at Bai Meizhen's friendship with Cai Renxiang resulting in a burgeoning wider alliance between the Bai and Cai. Gu Xiulan's abortive relationship with Han Jian due to political concerns.

For this setting, there is little difference between the relationship of Cai Shenhua to some other noble, and the relationship of Clan Cai to that other noble's clan. Politics pervade into personal relationships far more than we are used to it, in modern times.
 
[X] The sparkling many colored lights of the Dreaming Moon
{Trickster King's Devious Oratory; Offensive Social and Spiritual Buff/debuff Art]
 
Observation Interlude said:
Left to fester in squalor those sorts inevitably became trouble, shaping themselves into engines of ever greater destruction and chaos the longer they survived.

I'm curious about this line.
Ling Qi's cultivation at this point requires an immense amount of resources in comparison to a standard living wage and she's just a green.

How do other potentials left to there own devices manage to obtain the resources needed to actually become a threat?

Like I can't imagine anyone on the streets managing to pull that off without some form of benefactor feeding their souls growth.
 
RR_Bonus8_Post said:
"Nothing particularly special about that one. If she doesn't end up a retainer to the Bai, she'll spend her life building up a village somewhere in the back end of the province," he added, knowing that his wordless reply wouldn't be sufficient.

"That is hardly fair," Xin protested. "She has the potential to be a core disciple in the future with a little good fortune."

She got like this sometimes, attaching her attention to a disciple, they always ended up a disappointment.
Ooof. Pretty good odds that we reinforced that last bit there by choosing to leave the Sect.

Disappointing our mentors was always the thing that made me saddest about not staying in the Sect.
 
I'm curious about this line.
Ling Qi's cultivation at this point requires an immense amount of resources in comparison to a standard living wage and she's just a green.

How do other potentials left to there own devices manage to obtain the resources needed to actually become a threat?

Like I can't imagine anyone on the streets managing to pull that off without some form of benefactor feeding their souls growth.

The Imperial Cultivation style runs on spirit stones, but it's not the only way to cultivate.

Last update mentioned people testing themselves in blizzards and self mutilation in order to cultivate, to use a recent example.
 
[X] The ethereal green lights of the Grinning Moon.
{Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief; Mobility and Stealth Art}

Have to say I really enjoyed this update. I really like seeing Hanyi get ideas from old stories, though having Ling Qi be her model for empathy is a bit concerning.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by naths on May 22, 2019 at 2:33 PM, finished with 303 posts and 145 votes.
 
I'm curious about this line.
Ling Qi's cultivation at this point requires an immense amount of resources in comparison to a standard living wage and she's just a green.

How do other potentials left to there own devices manage to obtain the resources needed to actually become a threat?

Like I can't imagine anyone on the streets managing to pull that off without some form of benefactor feeding their souls growth.
There is always the standard method - kill people who disagree with you and take their stuff.
 
Politics pervade into personal relationships far more than we are used to it, in modern times.

Not really - 'politics' basically covers all interpersonal relationships, in all situations. School, work, sports teams, business... it's all 'politics'. Who you're friends with, who likes you or doesn't, reputation, etc, all comes into play.

You're associating 'politics' explicitly with the 'national' and 'international' variety, which is far more limiting than it actually is.
 
[X] The ethereal green lights of the Grinning Moon.

As a Cai vassal, she has more freedom in personal matters, a Feudal lord cannot directly interfere in the affairs of their vassal's land, personal retainer or not, while others cannot interfere in her business without considering her direct superior(i.e. as a direct vassal of a Duke, a Baron has protection against interference from Counts and the like, though if they abuse this the offended party can direct the Duke to discipline their vassal).
I would like to note that we aren't just CRX's vassal; we are also her retainer. We are, and will remain for the foreseeable future, directly employed by her.

Gan Guangli, as CRX's only other retainer, is literally the best example available.
 
I feel the exact opposite. I don't see any reason why mantle arts should be unique, while Wind Thief seems more like it was specifically designed for us (although I know that all of them were). Most importantly, I like the thematics of Wind Thief far more. It would seem weird if Ling Qi's strongest art was a purely defensive one. She has a much stronger personal connection to stealth and thievery.

I also think stealth is very well suited for our defense. It synergizes very well with Zhengui's armor and Hany's LWM. If our stealth succeeds, it's possible we can pull off a close range CtE while our spirits distract our opponent. Flight also similarly works well with our spirits, as it will be harder for our opponents to focus on targeting us in the air (assuming they can't fly) when they have to deal with our spirits on the ground.
Ah well. Either way, it seems you're going to get what you want bc the Grinning Moon option is pretty far ahead. I won't mind that outcome too much, it does fit with her background well. I just think a lot of us don't value defense enough, it shouldn't be constantly neglected in favor of stealth.
 
Long time reader, first time voter.

[X] The ethereal green lights of the Grinning Moon.
{Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief; Mobility and Stealth Art}

A whimsically evasive Ling Qi, fluttering here and there like a wisp of moonlight is all I ever wanted.

It would buy the time necessary for our music to unfold... and why tank hits when you can just avoid them all together? It's like the difference between being the moon, sturdy and unwavering in it's presence, versus a reflection of the moon on the water, a fleeting dream always just out of reach.

The trickster King's Devious Oratory is intriguing simply in it's otherness, compared to what we've seen so far, but it just feels more Ling Qi to confuse and confound with her stealth rather than her words. Why talk them out of something when you can just swipe it with a smile and a laugh.
 
Ah well. Either way, it seems you're going to get what you want bc the Grinning Moon option is pretty far ahead. I won't mind that outcome too much, it does fit with her background well. I just think a lot of us don't value defense enough, it shouldn't be constantly neglected in favor of stealth.
I dont know what you're talking about.

If anything its literally the opposite, given all the dispel resist stacking we keep trying to invest in. We havent actively trained a pure stealth art since the quest itself started.
 
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