Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[X] While you will be present as much as you can, your household cannot be top priority yet. (Status quo)
Why? Weirdly enough, I think I perfer this, with the occasional dips into dealing with our family that we'll put in (especially if it looks like anything is on fire, family-wise.)
 
Quite honestly, the best things we have came from going out of our way to do activities off the beaten path in the Sect, with some help from Xin/the Moon.
  • Zhengui: Came from a Sect trial with Meizhen, our friend
  • Sixiang: Definitively Moon
  • Hanyi: Probably manipulated into helping her by Xin
  • FVM: Given to us by Xin/Jiao, possibly to link us to Zeqing later
  • Sable pills: Xin/Jiao, huge leg up in Qi
  • SCS: Xin/Jiao, is now part of our dodge skill too
  • FSS: Zeqing and therefore probably also Xin
  • Umbral Shard that we used for our weapon: Moon Mission
  • Entropic Mirror that made us rich: Moon Mission
  • Robe: Cai
  • TRF: I don't remember
  • White Room: Cai, but we would've been able to benefit without joining her
Actually, if you think about it, why are we even with Cai? The moon gives us so much more. If we pass Momma Cai's test, we'll get some goodies, sure. But if we fail? We're not really going to suffer much, CRX is. Why are we making passing Cai Shenhua's test the focus of the quest? Do we even like Cai Shenhua? Does CRX even see us as more than a particularly capable vassal? Is she even capable of going above SL 2? The Cai's are basically direct references to the main villain of Kill La Kill, why are we so obsessed with serving under them anyways?

Let's not revisit the Cai vote please.
 
That's not the issue though. It's not spending time on family/social/whatever is bad it's that this locks that AP from being spent on anything else. If we wanted to spend extra time with family we could always allocate the AP when we want.
Not really. We don't actually get "spend time with family" AP actions. We've had some as social actions, but they are not available each month and we can't use AP to get more social actions besides.

In practice, this vote represents Ling Qi allocating more time to spend on her relationships, with said extra time locked to family. This is not something we can do in a normal monthly plan.
 
[X] While you will be present as much as you can, your household cannot be top priority yet. (Status quo)
Why? Weirdly enough, I think I perfer this, with the occasional dips into dealing with our family that we'll put in (especially if it looks like anything is on fire, family-wise.)
Except "family" includes our spirits which means that we're also investing AP in interacting with and training them which is something Hanyi badly needs given her stats and recent events
 
Thinking about it more, I'm not sure if the idea that yrsillar "does not offer trap choices" is entirely accurate. There were trap choices in the King of the Forest arc, although they only resulted in relatively minor consequences.

Uh, we got it confirmed that the entire event was a Kobayashi Maru, by an actual adherent of the Bloody Moon who's done retries enough times that he's all but mapped out the entire event chain. There was no winning choices, just ones that had different bad outcomes.

Some might have been worse choices, but there were no good ones.
 
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Uh, we got it confirmed that the entire event was a Kobayashi Maru, by an actual adherent of the Bloody Moon. There was no winning choices, just ones that had different bad outcomes.

There was a post ysillar made about not telling us the results of other choices because it would lead to salt.

 
People are again misrepresenting the family option.

It's not 22 AP into one SL.

its 22 SL spread out across at least 5.

Which is a fairly reasonable amount of AP particularly as three of those SL's are our spirit beasts and directly combat relevant.
While true, there is an issue of granularity and visibility of the benefits.

When selecting normal SL we are aware of what they involve in broad terms whereas the "Household and Family" option has an opacity to it that makes it something for of a (potential) 20+ AP mystery box, as again it's unknown even in general terms what we are looking forward to seeing or gaining from this. Yes, other SL have given quite a bit but I prefer to muddle with the "known" investments that we have rather than pour one AP per month until either the tournament or the end of our time in the Sect.

Regarding those stating we should be able to back out for crunch time, I saw the salt content of "We Stand in Awe" and the constant back and forth regarding any major decision and the dredging up of the arguments every time the options came up. If we were aware of an automatic "back-off" during the months immediately prior to the tournament then yes that'd be entirely acceptable for us to make an "emergency cram session" for arts that we are on the threshold for and this vote to be a bit more palatable.

There are costs and benefits to this vote, and I'm sure we'll get something out of choosing "Household and Family" I would rather focus more directly on the known/foreseeable quantities of our build and our Spirit Beasts rather than place them all in the same pile as Biyu and Qinnge.
 
There was a post ysillar made about not telling us the results of other choices because it would lead to salt.

We were told this ICly at the start of Month Three, by Moon Senpai. Because he's Bloody/Reflecting Moons, he's a perfectionist who slammed his head into the trial again and again and found out that even if you do a perfect run of the entire night, it still fucks things up anyway because the whole point of the trial is that there's no perfect answer.
 
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There was a post ysillar made about not telling us the results of other choices because it would lead to salt.

And in quest Moon disciple told us that had we chosen the humans there would have been an "Avatar" moment with humans destroying the forest and all the spirits in it.

So yes, Kobayashi Maru is kind of correct.
 
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[X] In the future, devote more time to your household and your family. (-1AP in future turns)

As someone who wants mother moon quest, everything is coming up Millhouse.

On a more serious take because this vote means spending more time with Hanyi I feel it is our obligation. Considering we just killed her mother front loading family time I believe to be paramount. I would like it more if we knew how long this -1 AP would run for but I will take it in whatever form that we can get.
 
Uh, we got it confirmed that the entire event was a Kobayashi Maru, by an actual adherent of the Bloody Moon who's done retries enough times that he's all but mapped out the entire event chain. There was no winning choices, just ones that had different bad outcomes.

Some might have been worse choices, but there were no good ones.

Not true. Theres no way to win the in-scenario dream, but when people talk about bad choices, they're talking about bad choices for Ling Qi. IIRC, it has been told to us that another choice may have found Long Qi frustrated but not shaken in her beliefs about herself, thus not leading to a cultivation penalty due to being shook.
 
about the zhengui costs, it was mentioned in turn 1 1-4 and probably a few other times. Meizhen cannot make introductions for us, she has to keep clan politics in mind and xiulan can only do so for the golden field region and even then 'baroness ling' wouldnt have met the guo afterwards. The meetings with emerald seas count clan representatives and the fact that LQ was even allowed to be present at the party with the ducals was due to cai.

also, the argument that others 'could' pay it is besides the point. The real question is if others 'would' do so. There is no indicator that anyone else would throw the same amount of money at us that CRX does
 
Except "family" includes our spirits which means that we're also investing AP in interacting with and training them which is something Hanyi badly needs given her stats and recent events
>way is based on home/family
>3 seperate spirits and possibly counting
You make convincing arguements good sir.
[X] In the future, devote more time to your household and your family. (-1AP in future turns)

...On a sidebar note, does anyone else Ling Qi knows have more than like, one or two spirits?​
 
>way is based on home/family
>3 seperate spirits and possibly counting
You make convincing arguements good sir.
[X] In the future, devote more time to your household and your family. (-1AP in future turns)

...On a sidebar note, does anyone else Ling Qi knows have more than like, one or two spirits?​

Several people have two, I do not think we know someone with three.
 
Not really. We don't actually get "spend time with family" AP actions. We've had some as social actions, but they are not available each month and we can't use AP to get more social actions besides.

In practice, this vote represents Ling Qi allocating more time to spend on her relationships, with said extra time locked to family. This is not something we can do in a normal monthly plan.
Fair. Still though, if major things happened then AP would be locked into that particular event for the turn so I still think leaving it open for future options is the better choice.
 
...On a sidebar note, does anyone else Ling Qi knows have more than like, one or two spirits?
Hanyi hasn't made her official debut in the inner sect yet, to my knowledge and Sixiang is an internal spirit which means that people who are particularly looking might not see her.

The Elder's certainly know, our friends might know, but our other inner sect students may or may not know depending on how much they care to investigate the up and coming class.
 
While true, there is an issue of granularity and visibility of the benefits.

When selecting normal SL we are aware of what they involve in broad terms whereas the "Household and Family" option has an opacity to it that makes it something for of a (potential) 20+ AP mystery box, as again it's unknown even in general terms what we are looking forward to seeing or gaining from this. Yes, other SL have given quite a bit but I prefer to muddle with the "known" investments that we have rather than pour one AP per month until either the tournament or the end of our time in the Sect.

Regarding those stating we should be able to back out for crunch time, I saw the salt content of "We Stand in Awe" and the constant back and forth regarding any major decision and the dredging up of the arguments every time the options came up. If we were aware of an automatic "back-off" during the months immediately prior to the tournament then yes that'd be entirely acceptable for us to make an "emergency cram session" for arts that we are on the threshold for and this vote to be a bit more palatable.

There are costs and benefits to this vote, and I'm sure we'll get something out of choosing "Household and Family" I would rather focus more directly on the known/foreseeable quantities of our build and our Spirit Beasts rather than place them all in the same pile as Biyu and Qinnge.

This is my main gripe with the family option. I'm not sure how big of an issue it is though. I'm still considering changing my vote.

If I didn't have OOC knowledge, I wouldn't sacrifice the 22 AP. Assuming yrsillar will be forever benevolent, however, I think I slightly prefer the character development of the family choice.
 
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1. Completely unquantifiable and so far into the future as to be functionally irrelevant
It's not functionally irrelevant, as by definition it's part of the materials Cai offers, beyond the personal level stuff she's giving us now.
1. Completely unquantifiable and so far into the future as to be functionally irrelevant
2. Do you have a source for this? Because we seemed to be feeding Zhengui just fine from our regular activities/hunting trips before joining up with Cai.
3. Already mentioned the robe upgrade as nice. The blade, for all it's supposed quality has not been impressing narritively (which @yrsillar has started trying to address). Part of the issue is that we haven't seen other equipment available at all in this thread the way we did in the last one, making it rather difficult to see what the difference in quality actually means.
@Pathos mentioned 2 above, and for the latter I'll point out that we've never actually lost a domain weapon fight except against a Ducal.

Edit: Pathos deleted their post, so here's a screenshot.
4 & 5. Given the increases we're seeing in income purely from the sect and sect jobs, if an elder couldn't easily equal that level of monetary contribution with their pocket change then I'll eat my hat.
Context is also important. Why would an Elder bother giving us that much cash unless we were their direct apprentice, and even then that aid is going to be more limited as we rise in cultivation compared to what we can get as the left hand to a ducal heir.
 
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We still could have at least stick by our friends.
Not asking for our partner to be spared was a mistake.

I really didn't like this interpretation. I felt the option was more to have faith in him and his own hard work. Bring penalized for not hand holding another cultivator while having friends who would be irate if we attempted to do the same for them is just asinine.
 
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