Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Bao Qingling observed him for a long moment as he exhaled, the rush of words having left him. "Is that enough?"

He studied his hands. Was it? This business was lucrative. The fertilizer, the concert tours. It was what he needed to get his own fortune off of the ground, frankly. From a material standpoint, anything closer was merely… nice to have. Especially with the clan taking a more neutral stance on Cai Renxiang until she had shown that she was not overreaching herself.

Ling Qi was strange and flighty and unpredictable. Her spirits and the way she treated them, the way they were confused and discomitted him a little. His own partner was just that. A partner in business. They'd probably part ways in a few decades when their interests diverged.

"No, I don't think it is."
Thus does Ling Qi corrupt another upstanding young scion into deviancy from the traditions of his clan. :V

Because Bao Qian is more than a little bit starved for familial affection, and truly desires a place where he can show off the trinkets he brings home from his journeys. Also someone who can relate the desire of a child to show off what they're working on to their parents regardless of the quality for the actual finished product, and would totally design an expensive picture book that wards his mortal kids amateur work that he enthusiastically fills the family room with as to him they're priceless treasures.

So maximum chaotic energy, and a lively family that Ling Qi would adore.
 
[X] Give her word that whatever she saw in Liling, she would only share it with Ji Rong. (+1 Bond with Ji Rong, deal goes forward smoothly information doesn't pass about this deal, including that the request was made at all. Cai Renxiang only knows you've struck a deal to better handle the Sun, no details)
 
The one where they discussed music grandmasters and Ling Qi found out cultivators chefs were a thing?
That wasn't so disastrous, was it? Maybe I'm misremembering things, but after a few initial bumps the dinner went pretty well and they kinda bonded talking about enjoying things without them being cultivation aids.
All in all, it went as smoothly as it could have gone.
In which chapter did it happen again, btw?
As a Bao he probably has different definitions on what is and is not a disastrous social outing
 
[X] Give her word that whatever she saw in Liling, she would only share it with Ji Rong. (+1 Bond with Ji Rong, deal goes forward smoothly information doesn't pass about this deal, including that the request was made at all. Cai Renxiang only knows you've struck a deal to better handle the Sun, no details)
 
Bao Qian is my least favorite of the current suitors. I liked Gu Tai much more than any of the current ones, of course, but still, Xuan Shi and Meng Dan are both much more convincing than Bao Qian.
 
I don't think we know Bao Qian well enough to have an opinion of him, honestly. I feel much the same about Meng Dan as well...only Xuan Shi do we actually know well enough to have an opinion on and while he's a sweetheart, Ling Qi seems distinctly not interested in him romantically, at least at the moment. I'd like to see more of Bao Qian to actually form an opinion.
 
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Funnily enough I was looking for this commission to reread the other day, that explains why I couldn't find it in the snake and spider side stories lol.

The completely different impressions on the date are hilarious and I eagerly await more confusion for Qian.
 
Bao Qian seems pretty interesting, to be fair? There's both traditional suitors and then weird dark-horse options, some of which have come and gone already, some of which might come or might go... it's all stuff and things.

But yeah, I'm interested in seeing more of him, honestly.
 
The real question is which of her suitors can win over the child. Everyone knows that you can't date a devoted, caring mother if you can't at least try to be nice to her child. It gets too awkward otherwise.

Xuan Shi is obviously working on that. :V
 
To be fair, that's also true about her view on literally every other character in the story. She's only just started to reach the point she can even consider romance and physical intimacy without having to repress a panic attack.

Sure, but she's expressed fairly overt physical attraction upon occasion (at least in her own head), and never for Xuan Shi, at least not that I can recall. Which isn't a good sign for him given how much they've hung out.
 
Bao Qian's in the odd situation where his biggest liability in this is kind of... the Bao?

Not in the pervasive internal rich people alienation sense, seen in both him and Qingling albeit in different ways. That's effectively a charm point. Makes him cute and vulnerable.

It's that the Bao are good at what they do and what they do is secure themselves more of the pie. In the culture of the empire, marriage is a legal and business arrangement between clans. What the individual partners manage to get out of it in terms of emotional fulfilment is almost their own business, besides the point. The Bao are really good at business, though. The main business offering the Ling can make is a chunk of its future- the potential and room for growth it has in the south.

There's real reason to be cautious in trading that away. And of course, Bao Qian's more independent approach to wealth generation is laudable on an individual level, but it means he's distanced from the internal levers of his clan's politics. His capacity to navigate a good deal is diminished. Not eliminated, far from that, he's got a solid head on his shoulders. The tldr of it is that the clan tensions that make him a sympathetic and interesting character also makes joining fortunes with the Bao daunting, and doing it in a way we would find palatable would mean leaving a lot of the Bao's on-paper offerings on the table, so to speak.

Now, I think this is going to be true to some extent of any clan. Clans are just like that. But Bao Qian's case stands out in terms of contradictions and cross-interests, I think. Like, if we married Meng Dan, the thing they'd want would be his faction wanting us to do cultural things we're already doing, and our reward would be closer ties to, and support from, a sympathetic cultural faction. That's pretty clean, for all I'm sure there'd be complications. Bao Qian, at least on current read, brings a whole lot of north-south control/independence/etc narratives to the table, in a prospective marriage. Not sure how fun that'd be.

Like, Bao Qian can always more or less cut off the Bao. That would be a valid resolution and/or thrust to that narrative! And we'd still have him, who is a solid and competent dude. Buuut, it's hard to be enthusiastic about a marriage that involves putting up barriers against the donor clan, rather than getting stuff from them. And getting stuff from the Bao on an institutional level seems like it'd be a pricey purchase, in terms of some of the things we value most, like autonomy and choice.

It's a conundrum.
 
Sure, but she's expressed fairly overt physical attraction upon occasion (at least in her own head), and never for Xuan Shi, at least not that I can recall. Which isn't a good sign for him given how much they've hung out.
Because Xuan Shi wears a fully concealing robe all the time. For all we know, he has the body of Poseidon under that robe. But also, physical attraction is so far bellow Ling Qi's priorities in romance as to be a nonentity.
 
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Sure, but she's expressed fairly overt physical attraction upon occasion (at least in her own head), and never for Xuan Shi, at least not that I can recall. Which isn't a good sign for him given how much they've hung out.

Funnily enough, Bao Qian is the only husbando who has lots of muscle :V.

Meng Dan is a twink, and, while we know Xuan Shi is stocky, we don't know his body type since he's always as covered up as LQ.
 
The odds of a guy who idolizes the idea of a swashbuckling hero isn't fucking Built (TM) is basically zero.

Albeit probably more in a less, "Huge overinflated muscles" way, a bit more swimmer and rapier, perhaps.

(Not that they have rapiers, but you know what I mean.)
 
Because Xuan Shi wears a fully concealing robe all the time. For all we know, he has the body of Poseidon under that robe.

Plausibly true...there's a reason I said she wasn't attracted 'at the moment' in my original commentary.

But also, physical attraction is so far bellow Ling Qi's priorities in romance as to be a nonentity.

I think this is just straight up wrong. Ling Qi, given her definitions of family and cultivation should marry only for love or risk damaging her cultivation itself, and physical attraction is a part of romantic love for most people (certainly for Ling Qi given what we've seen). Like, it's not the most important element, but I think a complete absence of it is indeed disqualifying.
 
[X] Give her word that whatever she saw in Liling, she would only share it with Ji Rong. (+1 Bond with Ji Rong, deal goes forward smoothly information doesn't pass about this deal, including that the request was made at all. Cai Renxiang only knows you've struck a deal to better handle the Sun, no details)
 
I would imagine that a lot of female cultivators, especially the ones from stronger families, wouldn't get it either.
Having always been strong and supported does that.
The real question is which of her suitors can win over the child. Everyone knows that you can't date a devoted, caring mother if you can't at least try to be nice to her child. It gets too awkward otherwise.

Xuan Shi is obviously working on that. :V
Nobody told Hanyi human courtships aren't supposed to tick "All of the above" yet either...
 
On a more serious note...

"Hmph. As if I know what I want," his cousin grumbled, surprisingly candid.

He scrubbed a hand over his face. "I have no idea what she wants," he admitted plainly

When she spoke about personal goals with Bao Qian, LQ answered truthfully to the best of her current knowledge, but she hadn't thought much farther into the future than "safety and prosperity for family."

Those are things he has taken for granted all his life. The achievement of those have never been in question for him. It was disappointing that he didn't take that seriously from LQ, and didn't reflect on her perspective. His pressing for broader personal cultivation goals was a nudge LQ really needed though.

Turns out that finding out what one wants is very important.

In her answer, Ling Qi immediately put first what she wanted as a personal consequence, but not how she was going to get there, not what she wanted to do.

Bao Qian's answer told us what he wanted to do, how he was going to achieve... but for what? What is his personal consequence?

Bao Qingling observed him for a long moment as he exhaled, the rush of words having left him. "Is that enough?"

He studied his hands. Was it? This business was lucrative. The fertilizer, the concert tours. It was what he needed to get his own fortune off of the ground, frankly. From a material standpoint, anything closer was merely… nice to have. Especially with the clan taking a more neutral stance on Cai Renxiang until she had shown that she was not overreaching herself.

Ling Qi was strange and flighty and unpredictable. Her spirits and the way she treated them, the way they were confused and discomitted him a little. His own partner was just that. A partner in business. They'd probably part ways in a few decades when their interests diverged.

"No, I don't think it is."

Here we see the first glimmer of his personal consequence... What does he want for himself?

I hope that we'll see a little more behind his salesman's smile.
( Maybe we'll finally get that spar! )
 
The Bai are (sometimes literally) a den of vipers.
And with such a large group, i have to assume at least some have decided to live in what could be described as a pit, so visiting them is literally going into a snake pit.
 
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