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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Arkeus said:
It's not an assumption that 'Moon Qi' would make Sixiang stronger in her niche. My argument isn't that Foundation Qi does nothing, but your argument seems to be that Moon Qi does nothing. There is plenty of people like @Ayashi or @wingstrike96 who believes Foundation Qi actually is key to advancement, or that Breadth is good in and of itself, and those are probable belief.

Obviously Foundation Qi will give a better, more solid ground to continue building upwards. That is what foundation is. However, the argument that 'Foundation Qi' is both Foundation and Specialised to Sixiang is ignoring the both Ling Qi's belief about the vote and the meta-narrative of voting itself. Likewise, Foundation Qi won't 'make the most out of it'. That's Potency. It's back to the argument we have had in every single ambiguous vote where "This option is actually all the options". No it isn't.

Foundation Qi is best for foundation, Moon Qi is best for Sixiang's own niche, and Potency is best for actual Potency. There is no reasonable argument that Moon Qi is better for foundation, or that Zeqing's site is better for specialisation, or that Foundation Qi is better for Potency.

This means that Zeqing's site will have the most potent effects, moon site will have the most 'improve in her own niche effect', and Foundation will have the most 'grounding'.
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Your equating suitability with 'improve in her own niche effect.' Why? What evidence supports that? Moon Qi could do something completely different in regards to Sixiang. It could make her more of who she is and if she already has a lot of breadth like your original post attributed to her, then couldn't moon qi be the one to give more breadth and Foundation qi more specialization?

There seems to be no factual support for Moon Qi improving Sixiang's niche. So why do you keep saying it?
 
Arkeus said:
Good foundation is key, but that's not into question. The question is whether Foundation is more key than Potency or Suitability, and for a spirit I strongly disagree.

Sixiang already has a lot of breadth, what with being Moon Primary and Wood/Water secondary. Focusing on shoring up foundation rather than enhancing her primary (Silent Stone) or enhancing over-all Potency (Zeqing's site) seems to me like wasting a huge opportunity to actually have something to make Sixiang's strength stronger in order to focus on those Foundations. Depending on what 'Foundation' means here (Better ability to keep up with us cultivation-wise? Greater breadth of ability?) it goes from "Not that useful" to "Utterly useless".

I really think that Spirits should focus less on breadth or in ability to cultivate quickly, and more on being good at their specific niche. If we want to gamble, the 'more potency' option of Zeqing is a better gamble, too. Argent Vent gamble is basically gambling for the low-impact gamble, which seems very much counter-productive if we do gamble.
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The problem is that other sites have a risk of contaminating sixiang and thus increasing her breath (earth from stone for exemple). Argent on the other hand will only help what she already has.

Moreover I disagree that a stronger foundation is useless. Would you prefer argent soul or an art that give +50 dices to everything while equiped to red/early yellow ? For someone you intend to take with you up to whatever height LQ will reach. I think we can both agree that argent soul would be better.

A stronger foundation is more valuable to us because while her being stronger at the tournament would be great, in the end having our moon fairy being more able to keep up with us is better for us in the long term.
 
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archangis said:
The problem is that other sites have a risk of contaminating sixiang and thus increasing her breath (earth from stone for exemple). Argent on the other hand will only help what she already has.

Moreover I disagree that a stronger foundation is useless. Would you prefer argent soul or an art that give +50 dices to everything while equiped to red/early yellow ? For someone you intend to take with you up to whatever height LQ will reach. I think we can both agree that argent soul would be better.

A stronger foundation is more valuable to us because while her being stronger at the tournament would be great, in the end having our moon fairy being more able to keep up with us is better for us in the long term.
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If we talk about contamination then Silent Stones would be safer as Sixiang is already a moon spirit. On the other hand Argent is about balance between imperial 8 elements (as seen from the argent arts). Sixiang does have one of those elements (water), but not as a main element. This means that argent could actually be an unsuited material for their foundation. The same is true for zheqing btw. as cold/dark/endings is not really what sixiang is all about
 
[X] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew


I'd vote Zeqing (because Six deserves a chance to roll the dice on becoming Zeqing's daughter too) but since odds for that are too low I'm going with what I think is the more interesting choice (a generally useful rule to follow in poor info votes like this one).
 
naths said:
If we talk about contamination then Silent Stones would be safer as Sixiang is already a moon spirit. On the other hand Argent is about balance between imperial 8 elements (as seen from the argent arts). Sixiang does have one of those elements (water), but not as a main element. This means that argent could actually be an unsuited material for their foundation. The same is true for zheqing btw. as cold/dark/endings is not really what sixiang is all about
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Argent doesn't actually influence spirits (or cultivators). That's what is great about it. It's just a simple boost to everything you have.

For evidence the complete lack of any argent beast in the outer sect despite the existence of vents.

It's just something good for everyone.
 
archangis said:
Argent doesn't actually influence spirits (or cultivators). That's what is great about it. It's just a simple boost to everything you have.

For evidence the complete lack of any argent beast in the outer sect despite the existence of vents.

It's just something good for everyone.
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it does influence cultivators though. We know that a strong leaning influences ones character (i.e. the fire cultivators of the Gu clan). Argent Arts would give one an even spread of 8 elements that all counter each other, which would give one a very 'balanced' personality and that is an influence.

Now spirits dont actually train arts and I dont think it is likely that whatever we do changes Sixiangs elemental composition, so I dont worry too much about 'contamination' in this regard.

What I think is more possible is that our choice influences the thing they built (should we call it dreamspace?) in some way. This could reflect in its flavor or in an ability or maybe something else and while Argent might go with anything it is also a nerfed wreck that I dont want into this new ability
 
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Hmm. After looking at the description on Argent again, I'm less certain about picking it. It emphasizes having a solid, sturdy foundation and that...doesn't sound like Six? Like, even when we went into what seemed to be the start of their Domain, it was ephemeral and insubstantial. Six has been talking about how they're dealing with the knowledge that they'll still be around in time, since they're by their nature a short-lived burst of inspiration, meant to be burned through and used up. Argent may be a good way to help them deal with the reality of their increasing permanence, but it also might be a larger shift than they'd like.

[X] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew
Changing to this because I'm more interested in it and less certain Argent is the safe choice.
 
[X] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew

Because the coin I just threw said so.
 
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And we have a Tie!
Adhoc vote count started by Thor's Twin on Feb 21, 2019 at 2:24 PM, finished with 260 posts and 143 votes.
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naths said:
it does influence cultivators though. We know that a strong leaning influences ones character (i.e. the fire cultivators of the Gu clan). Argent Arts would give one an even spread of 8 elements that all counter each other, which would give one a very 'balanced' personality and that is an influence.

Now spirits dont actually train arts and I dont think it is likely that whatever we do changes Sixiangs elemental composition, so I dont worry too much about 'contamination' in this regard.

What I think is more possible is that our choice influences the thing they built (should we call it dreamspace?) in some way. This could reflect in its flavor or in an ability or maybe something else and while Argent might go with anything it is also a nerfed wreck that I dont want into this new ability
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Argent arts have opposing elements, sure. But argent arts are not argent vents.

Argent vents are just generally good stuff for spirit with no specific bonuses (which would have changed the beasts around the peaks toward some combination of elements).

As sixiang said, it's good stuff.
 
archangis said:
Argent arts have opposing elements, sure. But argent arts are not argent vents.

Argent vents are just generally good stuff for spirit with no specific bonuses (which would have changed the beasts around the peaks toward some combination of elements).

As sixiang said, it's good stuff.
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given that our beginners argent arts work by balancing 2 opposite imperial qi sorts, id guess that 'argent qi' from the vent is just a mix of all 8.
I agree that such a thing would be 'good' for most. But it isnt good in the same way for everybody. Sure, using it will help them, because I think that all 3 options will help them.

The more important question is how the results compare and we cant know it for sure, so we have to speculate. Given that I believe that the impact of this vote is more on the dreamspace than on sixiang themself, I wonder what contribution each option can make to it ?

Maybe the argent option will make the space more 'real' or maybe it will turn the pool silver. Maybe the Silent Stones will leave the effect as Sixiang wanted it to be or maybe the dreamspace will get twisted by another moon patron. Maybe Zheqing will just give some extra potency or maybe it will turn the dreamspace into a blizzard.




and ayashi, you know that there is no point in voting for the same option again, right? the tally wont change from that
 
naths said:
given that our beginners argent arts work by balancing 2 opposite imperial qi sorts, id guess that 'argent qi' from the vent is just a mix of all 8.
I agree that such a thing would be 'good' for most. But it isnt good in the same way for everybody. Sure, using it will help them, because I think that all 3 options will help them.

The more important question is how the results compare and we cant know it for sure, so we have to speculate. Given that I believe that the impact of this vote is more on the dreamspace than on sixiang themself, I wonder what contribution each option can make to it ?

Maybe the argent option will make the space more 'real' or maybe it will turn the pool silver. Maybe the Silent Stones will leave the effect as Sixiang wanted it to be or maybe the dreamspace will get twisted by another moon patron. Maybe Zheqing will just give some extra potency or maybe it will turn the dreamspace into a blizzard.




and ayashi, you know that there is no point in voting for the same option again, right? the tally wont change from that
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Our first argent art, and the closest to the vent (argent soul), was not aligned to the 8 elements tho.

Beside once again argent arts are not the argent vents.
 
[X] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew
 
[X] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew

What a close vote.
 
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