Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Year 45 Month 13, Arc 5-2 New
Ling Qi, even bodiless, a thing entirely of spirit, felt a wrenching, sick feeling down in her core. She had experienced awful things. She had done awful things. She had scrabbled on the razor's edge of survival for years and years. The nameless roil of emotion that seared its way up the remaining connections between her and the shadow of this woman, Ming Xia, felt like they could drown her.

Spontaneously, she took hold of the flow, and wove her fingers through the threads of this weave, as she had observed Sixiang doing in the back of her head, as she had done in interacting with the minds of others with her own technique. Pluck the strings, and bend them just so.

Pause.

The weight remained on her surface, she lay at the bottom of a vessel filled with choking tar and merely held her breath. But, here, she paused, shut out the boiling sensation, and caught her breath.

"Well, that's prolly a bit of the technique in itself," Sixiang whispered quietly. They hovered over her, not quite touching. There was fear in them still, but she could hear the soft whisper of shimmering rainbow waves and the shoreline of silk and cushions.

…Her heart ached. She missed laying on that shore. Why did she take the time for it so rarely before?

"I doubt I can pause a real person," she whispered. There were no words she had no lips to move, but it helped her aching head to visualize it that way, to translate concepts into human sounds meant for human ears. It grounded her and stilled the throbbing in her head.

"Maybe not, bet you mess with your perception of time a lil' though. Thought moves much faster than flesh if you can keep it up. Might make future heists go a little faster."

"How are you so unbothered? Didn't you once think of leaving me and dissolving just to avoid feeling death?" Ling Qi wondered.

"...Yeah, I did. I was nothing but spun sugar at the start, a muse of happy things, born for a moonlit party and dance, meant to fade away with the dawn. That's what I was. But I decided to stay. We both know you can't persist as giggles alone. People don't get to only be one thing"

"I made you like this."

"I made me like this… I just chose to be a little more real, so I could stay with you. You don't get to take credit."


There was the ghost of humor there. They'd spoken of this before, but it hadn't truly sunk in what it meant, together with Sixiang's acceptance of the nightmare aspects within them.
"So there's nothing in this…"

"It hurts you. So it's hurting me."

But that wasn't the same.

"Then explain, please?"

What was a muse for, if not to bounce thoughts from? Sixiang's presence was an encouragement to her even as her hold on the flow of the grudge deteriorated.

"In an instant. Ming Xia was reduced from a person to a thing. Even her own body wasn't hers anymore."

Ling Qi shuddered. "...And she walked into those chains, was happy in them until the end."

She'd forced herself to step beyond that conception, but here… love was a chain. Without it, without being so deep in it, that man's betrayal wouldn't have hurt so, without it, Ming Xia would probably have… dealt with the issue herself with one of the many medicines that could be taken early before there was more than one missed moon. And in that, her life would have remained her own, within the cage she had made her life in any way.

…Though that was unfair, she had glimpsed the 'before' in the context of Ming Xia's memories. She was not Ling Qingge, that life… it was a life she had chosen, found success and pride in.

Ling Qi had found that love didn't have to be a chain, but the Nightmare King's words did cling on. In the end, she hadn't fully refuted him. Power… twisted things, wove a chain out mere threads.

"Yeah, I get it. Its like… what we could have done to each other. Taken something… changed something with the other having no say."

"...I get that, I see why this hurts you. I'm sorry Qi. I… I hope you really do know. I'd have never done
that."

She knew that, in her head. But that didn't mean the same part of her that had recoiled in horror from this grudge could fully dismiss the fear.

But the oily, sludgy qi of the grudge was beginning to work free from her grip, and she knew she couldn't hold it any longer.

It roiled up and swallowed her anew.

Gray.
It felt as if the entire world had gone gray and hazy, like the shadows cast on the wall. By the fire. Immaterial and unreal. The house's physician came and went, bustling through, making comforting noises. They might as well have been the barks of a dog for all she understood them.

She had once been fond of physician Hong. The old woman had a grandmotherly air and a warm sense of humor. She had the Madam were like sisters or so it was said, and took care of the girls under their care.

She supposed farmer cared for their livestock in a way. Distant, distant memories of a time long ago drifted up, her father calmly telling her it wasn't good to become too attached to any of the pigs, when the time for slaughtering came.

He'd signed her over to the brothel not many years later when the latest blight from the deep roots had wiped out half his stock. She'd not dwelled on that memory for many years. She'd moved past it, gone above it. She was Ming Xia, the jewel of the southeastern Roots.

She had never once been anything more than a sow, dreaming that her pen was a palace, was she?

She'd wanted something outside it, and kind physician Hong had dosed her like a truculent animal at the Madam's direction. For her own good. For the house's good.

…Wei Jun. He had to have said something, pushed something. Girls had children sometimes. Failures with the contraceptives happened. This… this didn't happen. There was even a place for them, a little boarding house kept by the Madam where their mothers could visit and raise them, and the customers wouldn't be bothered.

Limp on the sheets, Ming Xia felt her hand clench over her stomach. It felt like it belonged to someone else.

Gray. Dull. She wanted to die.

She wanted to have bled out on the bed. To have never known the depth of what had been done to her.

Ling Qi curled in on herself. She had known this. Had known despair under a cold winter night sky, the urge to just lie still, to accept the creeping warmth of a midwinter death. It had always been a fleeting fancy, a net she clawed her way out of with stubborn will.

It never lasted so long as this.


She didn't know how long she lay there, only that the words of soft encouragement and warmth slowly became more firm and even a little sharp. She understood. At a certain point, a sick animal was better put down.

Cold eyes followed her. Sharp eyes followed her. Sneering words, hissed whispers. She had never had friends among the others. She was their better. If they clung to her, it was only so they might climb over her head when she faltered. That had been her mind. They were all, ever and always in competition. There was no friendship with rivals.

She was weak now, ugly now. Her hair was disheveled, her eyes dark, her once perfect skin blemished. There was only so much allowance for sickness.

She saw only the hungry eyes of scavengers.

It was wrong. Even with only an echo the filter of a long-dead woman's senses between them, Ling Qi saw the pity there. The carefully arranged words trying to offer comfort without breaking propriety. Not many, not all. The scavengers were there, eyeing her with envy, but she was not as alone as she thought.

And it didn't matter one bit, because she could no more see that than she could open the window of her room and fly away. Ming Xia would not have been so kind and so she could not imagine that anyone else would be.

"No one can save you if you don't want ta save yourself, huh?" Sixiang murmured. "I guess… I didn't really understand that, before."


Ming Xia stumbled through her days, through her duties. Her star fell. Distracted, inattentive, uncomely. Rumors snapped at her heels like rats. She found herself running errands for the house, going out to the market to collect orders like she was a girl half as senior as she was.

She had no idea how long it had been. Weeks, months perhaps? Without going out there was little way to tell in the rootways, and she had less reason to care. But in the market one day, a sealed scroll of fresh bolts of silk and fine thread under one arm. She saw Wei Jun again.

He was walking arm in arm in arm with a woman. She was younger, though it was hard to say how much the dim light of cultivation sparked in her too. She was smiling up at him, pointing to a display on the side of the street.

Wei Jun was smiling too, looking at the girl with the same eyes that had once looked at her. There was no sign of anything but contentment on his face.

She felt wetness in her palm, and a droplet of blood fell into the dust at her feet. Her grey, barely coherent world felt as if it was shrinking, crushing her from every side.

How dare he be happy.

Her eyes burned. There were no tears to shed. Ming Xia turned away. Her mind was empty. There was only a roiling black void. Like a ball of lashing thorns that wanted to strangle him, strangle her, too… too

She stumbled, ignored the man who she shoved out of the way, and turned her feet toward the ramps that led down and down, to the ugly districts that lay beneath. She could not go back. She could not go back.

No more. No more.

They were going going to pay.
 
How might communication and community deal with this? A grudge so deep and personal that the only way to communicate it is through violence and one that might tear apart a community. The insight developed from this (if we get one) will be interesting.
 
You know this update made me realize that one of the reasons LQ goes so fast in her cultivation is that she takes risks. I always knew theorically that she did so but this makes me question how much I understood because holy shit this is unhealty.

No wonder her friends are always worried about her, I am worried about her.

fuck.
 
Tribulation Unending, that is Zhi the Conquerer, saw a world full of pointless suffering and victimization. She couldn't conceive of a world without those things, but she could conceive of a world where they gave you a chance, however small, to do something about it.
 
How might communication and community deal with this? A grudge so deep and personal that the only way to communicate it is through violence and one that might tear apart a community. The insight developed from this (if we get one) will be interesting.
Probably by preventing it from forming in the first place. This was not an unavoidable situation, it was created by selfishness and secrecy.
 
This isn't a problem that comes from lack of communication or lack of community... Although lack of communication made it worse. I don't know if it would have gone any better if she'd told him two months earlier.

This is a problem that comes from status within a community, and how that community status perpetuates itself through romantic connections.

Idk. I think this underlines that communication is not the same thing as having agency. And communities aren't the same as support networks.

It's an ugly situation.
 
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How might communication and community deal with this? A grudge so deep and personal that the only way to communicate it is through violence and one that might tear apart a community. The insight developed from this (if we get one) will be interesting.

As others say, community and communication, in their ideal state, keep it from happening in the first place. In a good community, this is also completely unacceptable behavior on the part of those inflicting it and is treated as such. The extended community would undertake to punish them so no grudge need form. Or, at least, not one so dire.

This isn't a problem that comes from lack of communication or lack of community... Although lack of communication made it worse. I don't know if it would have gone

This is a problem that comes from status within a community, and how that community status perpetuates itself through romantic connections.

Idk. I think this underlines that communication is not the same thing as having agency. And communities aren't the same as support networks.

It's an ugly situation.

Ling Qi's conception of community is personal and emotional. It is driven by personal connections, not status in the way you're talking about. She does not, in her conception of community, truly see a city as one singular community, but hundreds of interlinking ones. I'd say that communities in Ling Qi's definition very much are support networks, honestly. A collection of such communities becomes a city, but each should also look out for their members...as was not done here.

Communication doesn't truly solve this sort of thing (though it might help a little), but healthy communities with recourse to stop abuses of their members absolutely do. The Madam was, or should have been, of Ming Xia's community and empowered to defend her from this rather than being the one who did it to her. Community as Ling qi views this can absolutely stop these situations from happening.

Now, in reality, nothing is perfect and that won't be either, but this problem certainly falls within the scope of Ling Qi's definition of Community.
 
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There are conflicts caused by miscommunication.
Then there are conflicts caused by cruelty and evil.

For Wei, Ming Xia was an impediment towards realizing his ambitions.
For the brothel, it was a defective product that caused them trouble with an important client.

These kind of sitautions can only be prevented by improving a society's overall worldview and conduct, and can only be dealt with by implementing a reliable and trustworthy system (police, judges and so on) that is independent of the small communities of family and work.
So the victims have a place they can go to to receive help, protection and support.
 
The sort of community Ling Qi has been imagining and working towards (the sort mentioned in the context of a city being many smaller communities) seems like a network of equals, not a hierarchy. A formalized police force has no place in the former. It's a difference between Ling Qi and Renxiang, I think- Renxiang is by necessity thinking of rulership and how to do hierarchies right, so she cleaved directly to being cops in the Outer Sect, but that didn't really vibe with Ling Qi and I don't think it'd work for her Way as she develops.
 
You know this update made me realize that one of the reasons LQ goes so fast in her cultivation is that she takes risks. I always knew theorically that she did so but this makes me question how much I understood because holy shit this is unhealty.

No wonder her friends are always worried about her, I am worried about her.

fuck.

This is unpleasant, but I'm honestly not sure how unhealthy this is. This is all awful, of course, but I don't know if Ling Qi seeing it is bad or damaging for her under the circumstances. Doing it without Sixiang there might've been real bad, though.

I'm admittedly a bit more skeptical of the implementation of police as necessarily being able to solve these sorts of tangled issues very effectively?

It depends on what you mean by police, really. Having a social structure set up to actually punish people for abuses of power like this is absolutely the solution here. Not a perfect one, but the best one available. That involves, in practice, laws and law enforcement. Whether they look like what we think of as police is a somewhat different question, but you need laws and enforcers of those laws or there are problems.
 
I'm admittedly a bit more skeptical of the implementation of police as necessarily being able to solve these sorts of tangled issues very effectively?
Neither do I. But generally speaking there are good comminities and there are bad ones. And the only way to stop bad comminities from springing out is to build good comminities. They compete for the same living space.

So absance of police would lead to Mafia. Not this. But this example we have is absance of something in itself. There is likely other answer to solve this but I hate to say it but absance of family would be one answer -the traditional one-. Without strong familiar bonds, prostution happens more often and it seem to have become a community on itself which turned bad quicky as these type things often do.
 
Neither do I. But generally speaking there are good comminities and there are bad ones. And the only way to stop bad comminities from springing out is to build good comminities. They compete for the same living space.

So absance of police would lead to Mafia. Not this. But this example we have is absance of something in itself. There is likely other answer to solve this but I hate to say it but absance of family would be one answer -the traditional one-. Without strong familiar bonds, prostution happens more often and it seem to have become a community on itself which turned bad quicky as these type things often do.

This is very historically dubious to say the least. In historical China, for instance, it was often enough the family that would sell off excess daughters into prostitution in times of trouble and want in order to get the money for the rest of the family to survive.
 
This is very historically dubious to say the least. In historical China, for instance, it was often enough the family that would sell off excess daughters into prostitution in times of trouble and want in order to get the money for the rest of the family to survive.
Attested just now, even.
She supposed farmer cared for their livestock in a way. Distant, distant memories of a time long ago drifted up, her father calmly telling her it wasn't good to become too attached to any of the pigs, when the time for slaughtering came.

He'd signed her over to the brothel not many years later when the latest blight from the deep roots had wiped out half his stock.
 
It is driven by personal connections, not status in the way you're talking about.

Status is really just personal connections within a community- who can ask things of whom. In this case, it was explicitly 'if you want a connection with me, drop that one and form one with my daughter'. So I'm not sure what the difference you are trying to articulate is.

The sort of community Ling Qi has been imagining and working towards (the sort mentioned in the context of a city being many smaller communities) seems like a network of equals, not a hierarchy

Which is going to give her a much of a problem as trying to cultivate families without sex and childbirth being a part of them. Pretty much every community has a hierarchy of some sort, even if it is just 'who has been part of this the longest', because control of resources and access to skill is not equal between members.
 
This is very historically dubious to say the least. In historical China, for instance, it was often enough the family that would sell off excess daughters into prostitution in times of trouble and want in order to get the money for the rest of the family to survive.
Families selling their daughters is what I mean. Instead of staying together family is split apart and members are left to places like those whore houses which abuses them.

In a way families feeling like selling members is okay is another sign that family as community is going bad. Only way to fix that is to create a concept of familiy that refuses to sell its members. Might need social security network of some sort tou.

And after that other problems might show up, these kinds of problems are generally are chains of problems pretending to be one.
 
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Families selling their daughters is what I mean. Instead of staying together family is split apart and members are left to places like those whore houses which abuses them.

In a way families feeling like selling members is okay is another sign that family as community is going bad. Only way to fix that is to create a concept of familiy that refuses to sell its members. Might need social security network of some sort tou.

And after that other problems might show up, these kinds of problems are generally are chains of problems pretending to be one.

But the thing is, that... is traditional? You don't get to call it non-traditional just because it's bad, lol.
 
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