So you're telling me you believe that the worlds 'all' and 'many' mean the exact same thing?
Because that's what it seems like you're saying, and I would like to be sure.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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So you're telling me you believe that the worlds 'all' and 'many' mean the exact same thing?
Because that's what it seems like you're saying, and I would like to be sure.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
Where are you getting the word 'many' in abeo logos post though? That word is not in his post.
I think there was a confusion here. I was talking about all the relevant qi locuses, so the vent, stone and home.
It's a more direct parallel word to compare with 'all' than 'broadly'.
That makes sense, because the more-expansive 'all' is usually fairly easy to disprove.
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- Computer Desk
[X] She flew back home to the Argent Vent, with its solid foundation building qi
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
I actually have no idea what you are trying to do here. It is really confusing me. No where in archangis post is there an implication that he believes all and many mean the same thing. Abeologos post was quite clear that he believed that all high density qi sites are broadly pleasant unless otherwise stated. This leaves me just really confused about what you are trying to accomplish with this line of questioning.
The statements 'All qi locuses feel good to Sixiang' and 'locations with high densities of qi are broadly pleasant to qi-sensitive beings, barring incompatibility', have two very different meanings.
Without the qualifier provided by archangis (All relevant qi locuses feel good to Sixiang), it looked as though he (archangis) couldn't tell the difference between those two statements.
Which is an incredible failure of English reading comprehension, so I felt it wise to double-check.
- Location
- Earth
[x] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew
Chosen because I think it gives us a good chance at breaking the curse on us (which is valuable long term):
- It reinforces our actions at the cave where we put a friend's interests ahead of our own
- Sixiang's actions all stem from our experiences at the Silent Stones and it seems narratively apposite for her to finalise her pillow fortress at the "scene of the crime"
- There is a poetic justice to Sixiang completing the fortress there - which may attract a more positive response from the bloody moon
- Location
- somewhere over there.
- Pronouns
- They/It
[X] She flew back home to the Argent Vent, with its solid foundation building qi
Goodness, a whole morning not putting all of your effort into getting stronger? Such excess! Such waste! Truly Ling Qi is slipping into sloth and laziness.
- Location
- Alaska
[x] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There's someone in my head but it's not me
And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
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Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
Is the main assumption that Sixiang is *not* figuring out a way to become corporeal? That has been my main assumption as to how she would a) deal with disappointed family members trying to oppress her, b) part of her 'if only I were ready' comment from the spelunking expedition.
I mean, I guess she could also be prepping a spiritual attack of some sort, but I've been under the impression for a while now that she's getting ready to manifest.
Is the main assumption that Sixiang is *not* figuring out a way to become corporeal? That has been my main assumption as to how she would a) deal with disappointed family members trying to oppress her, b) part of her 'if only I were ready' comment from the spelunking expedition.
I mean, I guess she could also be prepping a spiritual attack of some sort, but I've been under the impression for a while now that she's getting ready to manifest.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I think people disagree on what's going on here yeah, and it's not really been talked about.
Basically, I think that what she showed us before, her mini-domain in our dreams, is 'getting ready'. So she has created a place where she can interact with us, but she is still not able to fully materialise in the 'real world'- though she might be able to temporarily interact with the outside world. This comes from her saying that what she showed us was supposed to be a surprise when it was done, and Yrsillar saying that Sixiang getting to become corporal will be hard.
However, this is just an assumption and really not something that can be said with assurance.
This is also why I am totally panicking right now, because for all that Foundation is really good and that Argent Qi won't interfere with Sixiang too much, I want Sixiang to either be about moon or, if we want to gamble, to gamble on our other ongoing aspect of Music/Cold/Dark. Not... argent :scream:
And if she is creating her own domain-in-our-dreams? This will have long term influence on her self
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Good foundation is key, but that's not into question. The question is whether Foundation is more key than Potency or Suitability, and for a spirit I strongly disagree.
Sixiang already has a lot of breadth, what with being Moon Primary and Wood/Water secondary. Focusing on shoring up foundation rather than enhancing her primary (Silent Stone) or enhancing over-all Potency (Zeqing's site) seems to me like wasting a huge opportunity to actually have something to make Sixiang's strength stronger in order to focus on those Foundations. Depending on what 'Foundation' means here (Better ability to keep up with us cultivation-wise? Greater breadth of ability?) it goes from "Not that useful" to "Utterly useless".
I really think that Spirits should focus less on breadth or in ability to cultivate quickly, and more on being good at their specific niche. If we want to gamble, the 'more potency' option of Zeqing is a better gamble, too. Argent Vent gamble is basically gambling for the low-impact gamble, which seems very much counter-productive if we do gamble.
[X] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew
Really, is there anything that can't be improved by adding more Moon?
Really, is there anything that can't be improved by adding more Moon?
- Location
- scrabbling
[X] She flew to the Silent Stones, though she disliked the implications, it was the only moon site she knew
- Location
- United States of America
I mean... sure, if we categorize "Foundation Building" qi as Not very useful to useless, then getting it would not be as beneficial as other choices. Fortunately, we don't have to have to categorize it that way.
I mean, I can categorize the moon qi option as the useless option as well. It is more of the same qi that she is, which won't change anything that's she's done and won't provide any benefit outside of what Sixiang has already changed. It could bring her back up to where she was, or slightly increase her power which goes from "useless" to "Not that useful."
I mean, it's an assumption that having access to moon qi will make Sixiang stronger in her niche rather than simply recharging her to the point that she should be. Why would more moon qi mean make Sixiang more focused on her niche? What change would more moon qi provide Sixiang? It seems strange to assume that Moon qi will make Sixiang more specialized rather than get her back to where she was.
Contrast that with the other two options: One provides more potent qi and one provides better foundation building qi. We could characterize one of those options as being stronger, and the other option as having enough of a foundation to handle reaching beyond your limits.
It's a standard troupe that having a better foundation allows for one to better leverage their advancements, and if this is Sixiang making an advancement in "domain" creation than having a better foundation will allow her to better leverage that advancement and make the most out of it. Foundation doesn't necessarily mean more breadth, but could also mean a deeper, more solid "ground" upon which to continue building upwards. For Sixiang that could very well mean something more tangible to anchor herself and her pseudo-domain to.
So I think that your characterization of Foundation = breadth is inaccurate. If you're unsure of what foundation building qi means in this context, then why assume and characterize it as something "not that useful" or even "useless?"
Uh, isn't that why wild spirits don't grow? Because their specific niche is pretty limited.
- Location
- Fabulously Rainbow Ireland
Yes so this just seems nonsensical when Sixiang wants to grow (to the point of making themselves an actual "pseudo-domain")
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I don't think it is. It's not because their niche is pretty limited, it's because their niche isn't good enough. Being bound let a spirit get more breadth by going outside their niche and let them get more specialisation by learning more who they are. The first doesn't mean the latter.
There is an argument, however, that having more breadth can help as we know too little of what actually helps.
It's not an assumption that 'Moon Qi' would make Sixiang stronger in her niche. My argument isn't that Foundation Qi does nothing, but your argument seems to be that Moon Qi does nothing. There is plenty of people like @Ayashi or @wingstrike96 who believes Foundation Qi actually is key to advancement, or that Breadth is good in and of itself, and those are probable belief.
Obviously Foundation Qi will give a better, more solid ground to continue building upwards. That is what foundation is. However, the argument that 'Foundation Qi' is both Foundation and Specialised to Sixiang is ignoring the both Ling Qi's belief about the vote and the meta-narrative of voting itself. Likewise, Foundation Qi won't 'make the most out of it'. That's Potency. It's back to the argument we have had in every single ambiguous vote where "This option is actually all the options". No it isn't.
Foundation Qi is best for foundation, Moon Qi is best for Sixiang's own niche, and Potency is best for actual Potency. There is no reasonable argument that Moon Qi is better for foundation, or that Zeqing's site is better for specialisation, or that Foundation Qi is better for Potency.
This means that Zeqing's site will have the most potent effects, moon site will have the most 'improve in her own niche effect', and Foundation will have the most 'grounding'.
