Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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...It's a play on "weeaboo." Does weeb count as a slur now?

I said the usage, not the origin. The way it's used feels the same to me as the way I've heard slurs used and it makes me vaguely and slightly uncomfortable. I've actually seen weeaboo used that way too, to actually disregard or look down on Asian cultures in general not just 'actual weeaboos', but instead the dismissal of, say, anything based on anime as inherently stupid and inferior...which is also not great, though not into full on slur territory by any means.

That said, given it's about an entirely fictional cultural group, my discomfort with it is a minor matter, which is why I've never bothered mentioning it before, heck I was only mentioning it here to emphasize how unreasonable I feel that complaint and depiction of the Weilu was.
 
hey guys, so I said I was getting ill on tuesday and that's still true. I am going to call it now and say that I'm not going to be able to do a second update this week. I'm just not in the condition for it. Thank you for your patience.
 
Thing is, we also want to couple Hidden Moon and paying respect, and the next turn will be our penultimate chance to do that. Also, I may need to ask for confirmation from the math guys, but we might need to do FFS every turn until we master it if we don't want to get stuck at our current level. We can't level up if we don't have it fully mastered.

That said, I'm a very big fan of gardens of mists, and so glad to see other peoples want to level it too

I agree that we need to do Garden of Mists, but I don't want to do it when Zhengui's not there, and I doubt that he'll appear during Cathedral of Winds. I want to do it when we finally bring in the Meng geomancer. Seems like a better narrative reason to get back into formations. Ling Qi is already dabbling a bit with geomancy like we saw when Grudges was first brought up. Exploring formations through the lens of boundaries can work naturally with that. Plus, I'm pretty sure we can still visit the garden we made with Zhengui in the Sect after we leave, so we can do it after we leave.

I also disagree with the idea of rushing FFS. We should spread out the projects so that it flows better narratively. We just got to G5. There's no real rush. Plus, you know, again, Yrs said we don't really need to complete all its projects before it counts as mastery. Plus, its starting potency is G4, with a G7 finisher, when we just entered G5. There'll probably be a soft cap somewhere. So again, we don't need to rush it.

So, for next turn, I only really see 4 projects we can do.

1. Bastion is mandatory, at least for me. Since we're going to do Cathedral of Winds next turn, it definitely fits. Plus, we need Argent Vent (Greater) to actually cultivate it without omake points. If the last fief site gives a bonus to arts with Music/Balanced keywords, maybe, but currently, Argent Vent is our only site so I'll be pushing hard for it before it disappears.

2. Hidden Scribe is also mandatory if we're doing Paying Respects.

3. Final Frost Serenade/Dreaming Songstress.

The last project is one where I'm not sure. My first thought was Grandpa Nightmare, but after the latest arc, I'm thinking we do FFS, and then plan a whole turn around Grandpa Nightmare instead, so Primacy of Beasts and Eyes of Grudges.

We know from the battle against the Hui Corpse, since he used the painted version of BKSD, that there is a Songbird God after the Bear God.

Keep in mind, the Hui corpse immortal was Cyan, and so the Songbird god (and his BKSD) god is likely the result of a successor or personal art. Like, the songbird could definitely be an alteration of the Eagle god since the Eagle god is meant to be a representative for ALL birds, just like how the Tiger god is a representative for ALL cats (hence the name change from Lion god).

But I digress. I think we're more likely to see the Beast gods in the play. Primacy of Beasts already covers the Vermin god, so the last one is either the Tiger god or the Stag god.


If we find an argent vent in the lake, or something else with a +2 bonus to balanced arts, i'll laugh

I'll be SO happy.
 
Would a Cai White Room be useful to us, BTW ? because I can totally see one being added to our future sauna. (gotta live up to our little xiangmen moniker)
 
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Would a Cai White Room be useful to us, BTW ? because I can totally see one being added to our future sauna. (gotta live up to our little xiangmen moniker)
It might be useful to us (after all higher realms pay good money to use them as well) but we wouldn't really need to use one for quite some time. Probably not worth the cost at the moment.
 
I agree that we need to do Garden of Mists, but I don't want to do it when Zhengui's not there, and I doubt that he'll appear during Cathedral of Winds. I want to do it when we finally bring in the Meng geomancer. Seems like a better narrative reason to get back into formations. Ling Qi is already dabbling a bit with geomancy like we saw when Grudges was first brought up. Exploring formations through the lens of boundaries can work naturally with that. Plus, I'm pretty sure we can still visit the garden we made with Zhengui in the Sect after we leave, so we can do it after we leave.

I also disagree with the idea of rushing FFS. We should spread out the projects so that it flows better narratively. We just got to G5. There's no real rush. Plus, you know, again, Yrs said we don't really need to complete all its projects before it counts as mastery. Plus, its starting potency is G4, with a G7 finisher, when we just entered G5. There'll probably be a soft cap somewhere. So again, we don't need to rush it.

So, for next turn, I only really see 4 projects we can do.

1. Bastion is mandatory, at least for me. Since we're going to do Cathedral of Winds next turn, it definitely fits. Plus, we need Argent Vent (Greater) to actually cultivate it without omake points. If the last fief site gives a bonus to arts with Music/Balanced keywords, maybe, but currently, Argent Vent is our only site so I'll be pushing hard for it before it disappears.

2. Hidden Scribe is also mandatory if we're doing Paying Respects.

3. Final Frost Serenade/Dreaming Songstress.

The last project is one where I'm not sure. My first thought was Grandpa Nightmare, but after the latest arc, I'm thinking we do FFS, and then plan a whole turn around Grandpa Nightmare instead, so Primacy of Beasts and Eyes of Grudges.

Keep in mind, the Hui corpse immortal was Cyan, and so the Songbird god (and his BKSD) god is likely the result of a successor or personal art. Like, the songbird could definitely be an alteration of the Eagle god since the Eagle god is meant to be a representative for ALL birds, just like how the Tiger god is a representative for ALL cats (hence the name change from Lion god).

But I digress. I think we're more likely to see the Beast gods in the play. Primacy of Beasts already covers the Vermin god, so the last one is either the Tiger god or the Stag god.

I'll be SO happy.

For me, the plans for next turns would be:
Turn 17: Hidden Scribe, FFS, Bear God
Turn 18: Dreaming Songstress, Boundaries Untrodden, Raising the Bastion

I guess it wouldn't be bad to exchange Bear God and Bastion, Cathedral of Winds actually fits it. But I don't trust that exchange to last to the next turn, and I really want a giant bear.

Boundaries Untrodden mesh really well with Dreaming Songstress, imo.
 
For me, the plans for next turns would be:
Turn 17: Hidden Scribe, FFS, Bear God
Turn 18: Dreaming Songstress, Boundaries Untrodden, Raising the Bastion

I guess it wouldn't be bad to exchange Bear God and Bastion, Cathedral of Winds actually fits it. But I don't trust that exchange to last to the next turn, and I really want a giant bear.

Boundaries Untrodden mesh really well with Dreaming Songstress, imo.

Meh. I'm not sure about others, but I'm going to argue for Bastion (and MoSS in general) until the very end.

I also agree that Boundaries Untrodden totally fits Grandpa Nightmare too. I talked about it previously.

I don't know about pushing back Dreaming Songstress. I want to do it next turn too.

But if we push it back, I can think of a few projects thag really synergize with it, to really make a Nightmare turn. Firstly, Primal War Calling, and secondly, Boundaries Untrodden.



It fits with our Nightmare, and understanding people. It has a previous connection to nightmares we've seen, it turns Primal War Calling into an art that previously gave LQ nightmares...yeah




One must understand what they wish to violate before they can step through...and LQ's Want concept is about reaching out to others and Connections.

And then thirdly, Eyes of Grudges, which would have been first if it had an actual project description. Plus, you know, meeting the Nightmare of Xiangmen, seeing the nightmares that drives people, during the same turn we talk to a product of the nightmares of Xiangmen to make an art about seeing people's motivations is *chef's kiss*

Also, because of the current vote, doing Dreaming Songstress and Primacy of Beasts together gets even *more* spicy. We naturally double Primacy of Beasts, so Ling Qi will rank up Want (Connections) and Power (Dominance/Control) during the turn she confronts the nightmares that drive Community and her problems with intimacy.

Well, that's if we don't get any more Want/Power XP. If the next retainer action gives Power XP, then we'll reach Power IV next turn if Paying Respects is chosen.
 
I'll note that while there is fluff about the Beast King's Savage Dirge being about the end of the beast kings, the actual technique is all about calling on their power and embodying them to destroy our enemies. I remain uncomfortable with it's prioritization.
 
I'll note that while there is fluff about the Beast King's Savage Dirge being about the end of the beast kings, the actual technique is all about calling on their power and embodying them to destroy our enemies. I remain uncomfortable with it's prioritization.

That's only true at the moment with the Art incomplete, I'll bet good money that "Xiangmen, Fortress of Tsu" definitely doesn't follow that pattern, for example...and I'll note that even with what we've currently got the biggest powers always come from their death.
 
I'll note that while there is fluff about the Beast King's Savage Dirge being about the end of the beast kings, the actual technique is all about calling on their power and embodying them to destroy our enemies. I remain uncomfortable with it's prioritization.


That's fair, yeah. But that's only half (or maybe 60%) of what BKSD is about. The other part is about their downfall and how they were defeated by Tsu and his people.

We've only really started exploring that side of the art, but embodying the power of the beast gods isn't the only part of it. That's why the Fortress of Tsu project chain exists. It looks like there'll be a project for each beast god.

If that theory is true though, I'm hoping that the other Fortress of Tsu projects will be combined with the beast gods they talk about. It makes sense for there to be a separate project for the Eagle god and Wolf god, since we completed those before the system change. It makes less sense to split the Bear god or Vermin god's tale into two separate projects.

Not only would it waste less actions, but it'll also make the other half of BKSD, the part about their downfall in the face of Community, clearer, and really highlight the direction Ling Qi is taking the art.
 
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I'll note that while there is fluff about the Beast King's Savage Dirge being about the end of the beast kings, the actual technique is all about calling on their power and embodying them to destroy our enemies. I remain uncomfortable with it's prioritization.

I mean, we're basically making magical effigies of their dead bodies and hitting people with them. I don't consider this especially respectful of the dead, but maybe funerals are more interesting where you come from. (I hope you have video.)

More seriously: I don't think there's been any indication that there's any degree of Way hazard inherent in simply using an Art, it's all a question of Insights. There's some spillover emotional effects based on elemental attunements, but those seem to mostly be confined to the Red and Yellow realms, with that sort of echo in the higher ones resulting mainly from the gradual build-up of Insights. But if, for example, we talked very nicely to Shenhua and got permission to learn her Art of Motherly Oppression Maiming, that wouldn't make us much more like Shenhua unless we wanted it to, by virtue of taking a Shenhua-like Insight from it. There's no gotcha there.

And as FSS shows, the Insight you take away from an Art can be, "no, actually, I disagree." Taking an Art that directly challenges your Way could in fact be a pretty useful tactic for getting interesting Insights so long as you put genuine effort in. Renxiang not getting an Insight from one of her Mother's Arts, for example, was more an artifact of her internal conflict between her "mother is a brilliant spider, weaving webs of which I know not" beliefs and "there is so much I disagree with her on" beliefs creating thoughts about the Art that she would not let herself acknowledge, and if she'd mastered it a month after their talk about Shenhua wanting her daughters to overthrow her, then I'm willing to bet it'd be a different story.
 
I mean, we're basically making magical effigies of their dead bodies and hitting people with them. I don't consider this especially respectful of the dead, but maybe funerals are more interesting where you come from. (I hope you have video.)
I would note said beast kings are quite literally enshrined as bone pillars for the Ducal seat throne room.
So its at least a provincial norm
 
Arrival in Snowblossom
Arrival in Snowblossom

Light pierced through the scattering clouds, dappling the rice fields through which the road wound. White-capped mountains framed the valley on both sides, to east and west, and a fresh breeze gently blew from the North. Idly chewing a stalk of long grass, Lai Shengren kept an eye on the horses pulling his wagon south to Snowblossom while letting his straw hat block out the sun's glare. They were making good time, steady and sure, which suited him just fine, even if it drove his wife to boredom. A quick glance to the side informed him that she was still having fun twirling around stalks of rice, each step atop the water sending ripples through the pools. After a few moments of watching her, Lai Shengren turned his attention back towards the road, albeit with reluctance. His wife was much more enjoyable to watch than an empty road.

A quick flick of the reigns kept his horses from slowing down to nibble on the shoots of grass poking out of the path, the greedy things. Another turn of the road later and the walls of their destination appeared. Or rather, the mists which served the same purpose a wall might. A cooling summer gust bringing the scent of fresh flowers was the only signal Lai Shengren received that his wife had rejoined him on the wagon before she slid close to him. Laying her head on his shoulder, she gently entwined her fingers with his.

"Are you sure you'll be alright dealing with that bastard Yingli yourself? It's not necessary for me to visit family right away. We can sell the wood first."

"No," Lai Shengren responded with a smile. "I'll be fine. Visit your relatives, be scolded by well-meaning aunts for not eating enough, and greet your parents properly. By the time you wrap it all up, the wood will have been sold, the iced iron bought and stored, and you'll be begging me to hit the road as fast as possible."

His wife slapped the back of his head with a frosty breeze as she pulled away and pouted. "I do not beg," she said, "I am insistent. There's a difference."

"Yes, yes."

"Hmmmph. Don't 'Yes, Yes' me. I'll have you know that begging is undignified and beneath my station. Since I'm not undignified, what I do can't be begging."

Instead of answering, Lai Shengren just let go of Quanshi's hand to wrap his arm around her shoulder, bringing her to nestle back against him. Squawking a halfhearted protest, she bopped his nose with a chilled wind before leaning into him and closing her eyes. He smiled as a breeze left the wagon, carrying with it a thousand specks of his wife's spirit, each one circling the wagon before drifting off to survey the fields and mountains.

Absently, he took his hat and covered Quanshi's face. She wouldn't like it if one of the guards recognized her. Then their wagon rolled into the mists of Snowblossom. Darkness closed around him as the cold vapor rolled through the wagon, curling around barrels and chests. In the darkness, off to each side, space stretched and twirled. Spots of light could be seen within the swirling space as phantoms patrolled the deep night-lit maze which sheltered Snowblossom proper from those who meant it harm. Just when the chill and mist became unnerving, the maze released them back into the warm sunlight. As well as in front of a small toll station. Smiling a genteel smile, he flicked his qi and produced the necessary identification and toll exemption papers from his storage ring, handing them to the senior officer. Nodding, the officer scooted back into the guard building to verify the papers while the junior guardsman began walking around the wagon, ostensibly inspecting it. Which was all well and good, until they reached the front of the wagon.

"Sir," the guardsman began, glowering at Quanshi. "I would request that you remove your companion's hat."

"My wife is resting, and the sunlight is bad for her complexion." Lai Shengren lied softly.

Frowning, the man twitched as if he had bitten something tart before his face grew even stonier. "Regardless of how bad sunlight is for your wife's complexion, the hat will need to be removed."

"Hmmm… I'm sorry that I lied about the hat protecting my wife's complexion," Lai Shengren lied again, "truly it's because her beauty would distract you from your duties for the rest of the month."

Again, the guardsman twitched as if he had bitten into something too tart for his taste. Reaching down to grab the saber at his side, the man's face split with an ugly sneer. "I insist. If you fail to comply you will be detained… and I think your wife would prefer not to wake up in a cell."

"You may insist all you wish, but it will take more than an unfulfilled desire to see my wife's face to detain us."

Sliding out the saber and pointing it at Lai Shengren, the guardsmen began his speech. "By the powers vested in my office by the Ling, you and your wife are…"

Suddenly, the door to the guard building burst open and the senior guardsman stepped out into the road. "Your papers are clear and good to go, Lord Lai," he interrupted his junior. "Thank you for…" he stopped looking at the drawn sword pointed towards Lai Shengren. "What is going on here?"

"Ahh," Lai Shengren began with a smile, "I had a disagreement with your subordinate here about whether guardsmen have the right to see my resting wife's face. He took exception to that."

"They failed to follow orders from a guardsman!" The junior guard blustered, face reddening.

"Improper and salacious orders," Lai Shengren said pointedly.

"My orders were not salacious! Or improper!"

The senior officer looked between his subordinate and Lai Shengren before sighing. "Lord Lai, your papers are in order. Please enjoy your stay at Snowblossom. Officer Tanlan, a word please?"

"Thank you," Lai Shengren said before flicking the reigns to get the horses moving again.

As their wagon left the toll station, he felt a breeze, carrying back flecks of Quanshi's spirit. Nestling deeper into him, she murmured, "What an asshole."

"Officer Tanlan?"

"Yeah, he's arguing with Officer Youyue that he was merely fulfilling his duties with dedication and drive. Clearly, it's not because the bit of power he has got to his head. Well, I'm sure he'll be just as dedicated at a frozen forgotten outpost for his next assignment."

"Why not forget about him? You have bigger things to worry about."

"He pointed a sword at you, dear, after you extolled my beauty," she said sleepily, "some things should not simply be brushed under the rug and ignored."

"Is it because of me, or would anyone do if they praised your beauty?" Lai Shengren said with a smile.

Stretching her head upwards, Quanshi gave him a quick peck on the cheek before shifting away. "I'll let you figure that one out yourself."

"Yes, yes."

"Well," she said, stretching her arms above her head and arching her back, "I'll be heading out. Have fun with Yingli."

"I always do."

Smiling, Quanshi faded away into the breeze, her spirit moving up towards the Ling manor that overlooked the town. He, meanwhile, kept the wagon on track to the merchant's quarter. The wood wouldn't sell itself after all.


A/N: @yrsillar another omake for the omake throne. I hope people enjoy the read as much as I enjoyed writing it!
 
Am i meant to consider the guardsmans actions inappropriate?
If this is a place important enough to require a guardsman, being able to see who comes in and out, unless they have a "you do not need to check their wagons" type of exemption, i would expect being able to do a facial recognition of people going in and out to be perfectly reasonable.
For all the guardsman knows, the person covering their face is a wanted criminal.
 
Am i meant to consider the guardsmans actions inappropriate?
If this is a place important enough to require a guardsman, being able to see who comes in and out, unless they have a "you do not need to check their wagons" type of exemption, i would expect being able to do a facial recognition of people going in and out to be perfectly reasonable.
For all the guardsman knows, the person covering their face is a wanted criminal.
That's what the identification and toll exemption papers were for.
 
The guardsman escalated way too fast imo. Could've just waited for his superior instead of almost immediately trying to arrest the guy and pointing his sword at him.
 
The guardsman escalated way too fast imo. Could've just waited for his superior instead of almost immediately trying to arrest the guy and pointing his sword at him.

That may be so, but the wagon guy was being an asshole about it. He could have simply said that they had an identification exemption and to wait for the superior to return. Instead, he purposely and continually taunted the guard, even after seeing that he had a temper.
Detaining someone that refuses to show their faces is perfectly acceptable, and to draw his weapon in order to do so as well.
The punishment that the Ling descendant imposed on the guard is the kind of vindictive abuse of power both Renxiang and Ling Qi want to eliminate.

Edit: And, may I add, this whole incident happened because the Ling girl wanted to play incognito but didn't take barely any measures to not be uncovered
 
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One important question...

I understand that the last update is the begining of this:

Survey the Wall: You will need to begin establishing yourselves, Renxiang and you. The cradle of the Sect will no longer last forever. Search within the newly claimed sections of the wall for good location choices to investigate further. With Cai Renxiang's funding and help this task will be much expedited. [First Reward Threshold at 60, with additional thresholds at 100, 120, and 160 and 200 and 300. Characters: Bai Lao Keung and Xia Lin) Completes final threshold without a roll.

So... Where is Xia Lin?
 
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