Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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My main complaint was that most of the big stuff the sect gave us was in Forge, i forgot some of these or dont count them (Xin's boons are spirit backing and unrelated to the sect, the lessons in threads have been the biggest letdown ever...) but you are right those are a lot of opportunities.

I think my big problem is that either the sect was extremely distant with personal training in Threads or the Cai backing is way less than advertised. I am still shoked LQ as Renxiang's direct retainer is not getting fully kitted out in appropriate 3rd realm talismans (consumables and equipement) and special combat training from someone.
The Cai clan has been characterised as "money isn't an issue but we need manpower" i just really dont see it.
Things that Renxiang has directly given us for our loyalty

Fancy dress that flies
Law advice (and threats) to get loan sharks off Mom's back
Turbo charging our fancy dress so she has a chance to become an item spirit at 3 years instead of like 100
Pay for our tuition so we don't have to stay in the sect for 8 years
Arranging contacts to auction the death mirror so we could fund ourselves
Dumping greenstones down the gullet of our vortex of a turtle son
Gave giant library of arts to kick start our clan so it doesn't wither on the vine as Mom and Biyu prob aren't moon/dark/ice cultivators
Commissioned fancy wrist bangle that dispels from a master Cai apprentice
Legal advice on marriage contracts with Bao
Payed for dress for Hanyi
Commissioned fancy earrings from master Cai apprentice
Will waive taxes for period of time when we have a fief until it's profitable

Edit: Also opportunity to get favorable opinions of us from Court and Duchess Cai herself

That's a lotta ducats to shower on our doofy ass
 
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I was thinking, do you think we can .maintain connection with Xin after leaving the sect? She is the area hidden moon spirit, and we will stay in the general area for some time, so can it be possible? I want more interaction with Xin
 
The sect and Renxiang both have been absolutely showering us in green stones on top of everything else. 7.6 last month from the sect counting the virtuals from the Greater Argent Vent, 6.25 from Renxiang counting the spirit upkeep. Losing either or both of those would leave us with our 4.2 stones last month from the Bao deal(which being allied with Cai helped us get) and whatever we're willing to spend actions on.

They're giving us stuff, they're just also mostly trusting us to know what we want better than they do and manage our own resources appropriately.
 
Things that Renxiang has directly given us for our loyalty

Fancy dress that flies
Law advice (and threats) to get loan sharks off Mom's back
Turbo charging our fancy dress so she has a chance to become an item spirit at 3 years instead of like 100
Pay for our tuition so we don't have to stay in the sect for 8 years
Arranging contacts to auction the death mirror so we could fund ourselves
Dumping greenstones down the gullet of our vortex of a turtle son
Gave giant library of arts to kick start our clan so it doesn't wither on the vine as Mom and Biyu prob aren't moon/dark/ice cultivators
Commissioned fancy wrist bangle that dispels from a master Cai apprentice
Legal advice on marriage contracts with Bao
Payed for dress for Hanyi
Commissioned fancy earrings from master Cai apprentice
Will waive taxes for period of time when we have a fief until it's profitable

Edit: Also opportunity to get favorable opinions of us from Court and Duchess Cai herself

That's a lotta ducats to shower on our doofy ass
Don't forget the giant amount of stones and drugs
 
CRX also cleaned up the mess we made when we sabotaged the production disciples, so the wages would have been even better if we hadn't been paying back the cultivators we screwed over back then.
 
This is a retcon. One I still think doesn't serve the story and weakens Renxiang's characterisation.

I see it as less a retcon and more of an editing decision. The Quest is always going to be the rougher form of the work, and the RR and Amazon releases exist to fix the minor issues in consistency that arise from this format, also to clean up pacing and such.

On another note, I feel like it is worth mention that when I said the Sect wouldn't let us 'Poach' I was talking about Li Suyin, who is an inner Diciple in the top 500. The agreed upon ranking of those the sect actually cares about.
 
[x] Yu Nuan is not as skilled as you but she is driven and trustworthy, you think. Tentative acceptance, assuming conditions allow
 
Phoenixhome: Return to the Nest
Gu Xiulan wondered when her chambers had become so dull.

Her bed took up most of the floor space, an edifice of expensive silk with a mattress and pillows stuffed with the finest down, harvested from the birds of the great aviary meticulously cared for by the Gu's servant families. Yet she found herself no more comfortable laying upon it than she did the stone benches and pallets of the Sect. Her wardrobe, carved from rich red wood imported from the ebon rivers, held countless gowns and accessories. Yet they seemed dull to her eyes, less desirable than the relative handful of gowns she had commissioned herself.

On her writing desk, there sat a half finished letter to Ling Qi, the characters written on it slashed out by messy smudges of ink. She still wasn't sure what word to put to paper, and the crumbled balls of paper strewn across the desk marked her previous attempts. But, that was not really what was bothering her.

Gu Xiulan looked into the full length mirror set against her wall and frowned.

The person who stared back at her frowned as well. She wore a gleaming breastplate, lacquered in burnished red and gilt. The weight of the mail backed shirt beneath hung strangely on her shoulders. Uncomfortably, she adjusted the gleaming gold armguards on her wrists. Each one was a talisman far stronger than her old gloves, the sparkling clear jewels that rested over the back of her hands promised to enhance any heaven or fire qi that passed through her arms.

It was even a little soothing, feeling some amount of the lightning that crackled eternally in her ruined arm drawn off into the jewel. They cinched the mail backed cloth of her sleeves tight around her wrists as well, ensuring the cloth wouldn't get in the way.

A sturdy belt of black leather cinched her mail shirt tight around her hips and from it hung red and black tassets of hardened leather, shaped and painted like the feathers of a phoenix. It was the pants she wore beneath, tucked into high riding boots that discomfited her the most. If she put on the plumed helm that sat on the table beside her and wiped away her cosmetics, she could probably pass for an effeminate man. Armor was hardly made to accentuate the figure after all.

It was a gift from her father, to mark her first campaign beside him. She was thankful, still so thankful for his understanding, and his desire to help her. So why did she feel so uncomfortable in this armor?

"Xiulan, are you really still standing around in your room?" A voice startled her, and Gu Xiulan's eyes darted to the side.

There in the mirror, she saw her sister reflected. Gu Huifen was the next youngest daughter of the Gu family after Yanmei. She was almost a perfect reflection of their mother. She was small and graceful, and wore a many layered gown of shimmering blue and white silks. Unlike Yanmei whose sharper features took more after their father, Huifen's soft features and wide eyes were the image of feminine delicacy.

"Elder Sister, I'm sorry for the delay," Gu Xiulan said turning away from the troubling reflection.

Her older sister smiled indulgently. "It's fine. I imagine it must have been troubling strapping all of that on yourself."

It wasn't as if any of the maids had any experience with this kind of garb, Xiulan thought grumpily. "I still shouldn't have made you wait," she dismissed airily. "Shall we be off then?"

"Certainly," Gu Huifen tittered, stepping out of her doorway.

As they left her room, Gu Xiulan had to stop herself from toying with the straps of her bracers again. "Who has arrived then?"

Gu Huifen's smile narrowed her eyes. "Mother is still quite cross with you and father."

"I see," Gu Xiulan murmured. She had hoped Mother would at least come to this little seeing off party.

"But, Daiyu and Xiurong have made the time for it," Huifen continued. "Naturally, Wenling and Xiuying have sent their regards, but the Tong clan's route has them in the north and Father Fortress is well out east at the moment."

She hadn't expected her eldest sisters to return from their homes, so Gu Xiulan wasn't surprised. They had their husbands and families to tend too. "Naturally so. How is your engagement going, Sister?"

"Very well!" Huifen replied. "Did you know Shang slew a full grown Ashwyrm just last winter? His prowess continues to impress."

Gu Xiulan nodded along. Huifen's fiance had been a mere soldier, but like Ling Qi he had risen swiftly to a rank beyond his birth. Unlike Ling Qi he had not turned down the offer to marry into the Gu clan. The pulse of warmth from the pendant hidden under her armor stopped her irritation from growing too much. "Hm, he must be nearing the peak of the third realm then."

Her sister nodded cheerfully. She herself was only two stages above Xiulan, despite being twenty years her elder. How could she be satisfied with that? Especially with her husband to be growing so quickly?

"Ah, it really is a shame that Fan boy turned out to be such a disappointment for you though," Huifen sighed. They were passing through the well appointed halls now, the ceiling of glittering glass bathing them in rays of comforting heat.
"A shame indeed," Xiulan replied tersely.

"Still, you could have lived in the luxury of Fanjian sister," Huifen sighed, shaking her head. "I really don't understand how you could give such a thing up."

"There are things more valuable than luxury sister," Gu Xiulan sniffed. Things like not being bound to an insufferable weakling with no ambition.

"You always were an odd one Xiulan," Huifen laughed. "I still remember you being dragged before mother all covered in stable muck and made to explain yourself."

Gu Xiulan felt her cheeks heat with remembered embarrassment and looked away. "It is not unladylike to have an interest in riding."

"Riding is one thing, playing in the stables is another," Huifen replied.

She felt a warm breeze from ahead as they approached the open doors to the balcony where they were gathering. It opened to the air, overlooking the city below. The polished glass of the exterior rose into a waist high wall which cupped the balcony floor, flowers and vines were planted in beds atop the wall, dangling over the edge. Around the space were set plush couches and seats which could fit a dozen odd people. Right now there were only two.

Her sisters were almost polar opposites of each other in appearance. Gu Daiyu was a tall, whip thin woman in a deep red gown, and her midnight black hair jangled with the elaborate ornamentation woven into it. Her expression and posture were stern and impeccable. Gu Xiurong on the other hand, was no taller than Huifen or their mother, and had the same soft, pretty features. Unlike them however, Xiurong's figure was a touch more plush. Her pale green gown was a simpler affair with only a few layers and her hair was a dark brown, bound in a simple braid.

She also had a baby cradled in her arms, and was cooing soothingly to him.

"Xiulan," Daiyu greeted her with a small tip of her head. "It is good to see you again, little sister."

Before she could say anything Xiurong had looked up as well. "It is! And don't you look dashing."

Xiulan smiled, despite the condescending feel of those words. She was hardly some child playing dress up. "Greetings to you as well sisters. I see that your delivery went well Xiurong. What is his name?"

Coming out onto the balcony, she peered down at the child. If she was honest he looked like a pink wriggling lump like any other baby. Only his dark hair and the red band of silk around his belly marked with formations to help endure the heat of Phoenixhome marked him a Gu. She had known that her fourth elder sister was expecting when she had left for the Sect, but it still felt strange to see it.

"I've named him Jinhai. Say hello to your little Auntie Jinhai!" Xiurong cooed, shifting her hold to let the child look up at her.

Jinhai made an incoherent little noise, a bubble of spit popping on his lips. Xiulan supposed that would have to count.

Xiulan smiled awkwardly, and offered the fingers of her good hand for him to grasp at. "Hello nephew."

At her side Huifen covered her mouth with her sleeve and laughed. Xiulan shot her a dirty look. It wasn't as if she knew what to do with a baby.

"Your health is better than I expected, given everything I have heard," Daiyu's even tone broke through the little tableau, dimming the mood.

Gu Xiulan straightened her shoulders as she looked up her third eldest sister. She could feel the faint static of her perception arts as Daiyu traced the lines of her scars and lightning filled meridians. Gu Daiyu was both a physician and pillmaker, fully licensed at the age of thirty. She was the next highest in cultivation after Yanmei and their eldest sister, but had no interest in competing to be their father's heir.

"I have adjusted well enough to my condition, and the gains were worth what small pain I have suffered," Gu Xiulan replied waspishly.

Xiurong's smile faded. "Oh Xiulan, you don't have to put on a strong face."

"I'm not," Gu Xiulan replied hotly.

Daiyu raised her hands in surrender. "Let us not argue sisters. I apologize for bringing the matter up. Xiulan, I am pleased to see you in passing good health."

Gu Xiulan forced the defensive words that wanted to spill out down. "I appreciate your concern sister, but I am happy with my choice."

Was she though? Gu Xiulan had to wonder as their talk turned to lighter things. It felt strange, standing here with her sisters discussing fashions and gossip from court, catching up on events at home. It came back to the armor Gu Xiulan thought, contrasting against their colorful gowns. Her sisters discussed their husbands, fiances and children and she had nothing at all to say.

She had gotten everything she wanted, so why did she still feel so discontent?
 
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Alright, so for those curious, here's the table of Xiulan's sisters:

OldestXiuying87G8married into a GF court clan, has a child a few years younger than Xiulan
Other eldestWenling7?G4?married into Tong clan
Third oldestDaiyu6?G6physician and pillmaker, uninterested in succession, is married
Fourth oldestXiurong Lian57G5is married, has a baby son (Jinhai)
Third youngestHuifen~35G4acquired talented soldier fiance for Gu (Shang)
Second youngestYanmei23C1
YoungestXiulan15G2
 
Alright, so for those curious, here's the table of Xiulan's sisters:

OldestXiuying87G8married into a GF court clan, has a child a few years younger than Xiulan
Other eldestWenling7?G4?married into Tong clan
Third oldestDaiyu6?G6physician and pillmaker, uninterested in succession, is married
Fourth oldestXiurong Lian57G5is married, has a baby son (Jinhai)
Third youngestHuifen~35G4acquired talented soldier fiance for Gu (Shang)
Second youngestYanmei23C1
YoungestXiulan15G2

It is good to know that the Math Cabal is ever dependable at presenting information in easy to understand tables.

Here, let me contribute as I'm inspired, a table of the sons of the Gu:
 
Daiyu raised her hands in surrender. "Let us not argue sisters. I apologize for bringing the matter up. Xiulan, I am pleased to see you in passing good health."
She had gotten everything she wanted, so why did she still feel so discontent?
Possibly because all Xiulan ever wanted was the recognition of her family and friends, to be the center of attention at all times. That's the reason why she liked Han Jian, after all, that he was the leader of their group and therefore everybody looked toward him for direction; and as his partner, she would have shared in the respect given to him.

Her past thoughts on her family were that her sisters were merely rivals for recognition and position in the clan hierarchy. Clearly, her sisters do not think the same; they, like her father and mother, also care deeply about her health and well-being. However, they are also concurrently failing to perfectly address Xiulan's problems with self-identity: they're all absorbed in their own lives, utterly disconnected with Xiulan's concerns and hopes, leaving her rootless and uncertain of who she is.

All of which is to say, Xiulan's character arc seems to be that her self-identity/dream of the chief lady of her social group, of being [Queen] to use Zhen's terminology, does not match reality. Her position at the beginning of Forge was tied to Han Jian (which she regarded as correct and proper) as well as Fan Yu (who was decidedly near the bottom of the totem pole), and progressed to losing every and any claims to being at the top of her (non-existent) social group.

Here, while Xiulan has claimed 2nd position in the race for succession in the clan hierarchy, that comes concurrently with losing and dropping out of the race for her Mother's approval. Furthermore, her sisters clearly do not care about the competition for succession and their Father's martial approval, violating Xiulan's paradigm for understanding the world. Thus, her discontent: she's sacrificed so much to win a game no one else is even playing.
 
Her bed took up most of the floor space, an edifice of expensive silk with a mattress and pillows stuffed with the finest down, harvested from the birds of the great aviary meticulously cared for by the Gu's servant families. Yet she found herself no more comfortable laying upon it than she did the stone benches and pallets of the Sect. Her wardrobe, carved from rich red wood imported from the ebon rivers, held countless gowns and accessories. Yet they seemed dull to her eyes, less desirable than the relative handful of gowns she had commissioned herself.
Was she though? Gu Xiulan had to wonder as their talk turned to lighter things. It felt strange, standing here with her sisters discussing fashions and gossip from court, catching up on events at home. It came back to the armor Gu Xiulan thought, contrasting against their colorful gowns. Her sisters discussed their husbands, fiances and children and she had nothing at all to say.

She had gotten everything she wanted, so why did she still feel so discontent?
The reason being the gowns Xiulan commissioned herself are something she appears to view as earned whereas the armor, and her old wardrobe are something given to her. Regardless I wouldn't be all that worried as her father is almost certainly aware of the issue, and should give Xiulan plenty of opportunities to prove herself as worthy of the position her family gave her.

Well there is an element of talking with her sister reminding her of the time spent with Ling Qi, and being separated from your only true friend just after forging a bond, which would leave anyone discontent.
 
Nice interlude. I'm not at all surprised that Xiluan is feeling out of place. She's just chosen to redefine her position within the family and seems unable to empathize with her sisters lack of cultivation ambition. She's just come out of the sect where she's had constant competition with other young cultivators all striving for the same recognition and rewards as herself. Now suddenly in a different position having changed the paradigm for herself, without truly understanding exactly how she was doing so, I'm not at all surprised that she's discombobulated. I expect she'll feel better in an environment where she feels like she understands things better that is with her father doing military stuff, or as it was earlier put:

Lan Lan will feel better when she's burninated the country side

I hope D:

This sounds good to me. Growing the clan and developing friends/assets.
[X] Yu Nuan is not as skilled as you but she is driven and trustworthy, you think. Tentative acceptance, assuming conditions allow
 
My read is that while Xiulan appreciates what her father is doing for her, it's not like she actually wants to be a boy. She might chafe against Peak's gender role expectations, but she does still take pride in her femininity. Also her mother being in a snit atm probably doesn't help.

I think she'll be fine though. She'll work things out.

Edit: I think it's also worth noting that there's kind of an age gap here. Like, her sisters are all adults with families. She now reaching that period of young adulthood where she's trying to define herself and find her place in the world, but to them she's still kind of their baby sister.
 
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Possibly because all Xiulan ever wanted was the recognition of her family and friends, to be the center of attention at all times. That's the reason why she liked Han Jian, after all, that he was the leader of their group and therefore everybody looked toward him for direction; and as his partner, she would have shared in the respect given to him.

Her past thoughts on her family were that her sisters were merely rivals for recognition and position in the clan hierarchy. Clearly, her sisters do not think the same; they, like her father and mother, also care deeply about her health and well-being. However, they are also concurrently failing to perfectly address Xiulan's problems with self-identity: they're all absorbed in their own lives, utterly disconnected with Xiulan's concerns and hopes, leaving her rootless and uncertain of who she is.

All of which is to say, Xiulan's character arc seems to be that her self-identity/dream of the chief lady of her social group, of being [Queen] to use Zhen's terminology, does not match reality. Her position at the beginning of Forge was tied to Han Jian (which she regarded as correct and proper) as well as Fan Yu (who was decidedly near the bottom of the totem pole), and progressed to losing every and any claims to being at the top of her (non-existent) social group.

Here, while Xiulan has claimed 2nd position in the race for succession in the clan hierarchy, that comes concurrently with losing and dropping out of the race for her Mother's approval. Furthermore, her sisters clearly do not care about the competition for succession and their Father's martial approval, violating Xiulan's paradigm for understanding the world. Thus, her discontent: she's sacrificed so much to win a game no one else is even playing.
I think it has less to do with her wanting to be the center of attention and more her trying to mesh the two societal roles that she finds herself split between.

Balancing the lessons and expectations her mother handed down to her vs the new more masculine role her father is setting her on. Xuilan likes being feminine and dressing up in fancy gowns and the social games but she has no time for ONLY just hanging around court looking good and verbally dicing up her detractors and just being a wife. She wants to be a badass and be praised for being powerful and worthy of attentions from her family. Xuilan is happy she's got her dad's attention, but clearly uncomfortable with some of the trappings that come with it the easiest example wearing armor that makes her look like a man. Xuilan's not ready to dump all the feminine social roles in the trash and take up life as a man, but she also wants to go out and smite some foes and lead armies to triumph and glory while not being looked at as a crazy lady.

Xuilan certainly likes being fawned over and praised, but that is the byproduct and indicator that she's achieving what she wants, not the end goal.
 
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Xiulan seems someone who has basically defined by chasing after others--her mother, Yanmei, Han Jian, Ling Qi--and now she's in a position where she has no role models and no rivals. Also:

My read is that while Xiulan appreciates what her father is doing for her, it's not like she actually wants to be a boy. She might chafe against Peak's gender role expectations, but she does still take pride in her femininity. Also her mother being in a snit atm probably doesn't help.

I think she'll be fine though. She'll work things out.

Edit: I think it's also worth noting that there's kind of an age gap here. Like, her sisters are all adults with families. She now reaching that period of young adulthood where she's trying to define herself and find her place in the world, but to them she's still kind of their baby sister.

Being in a place where she has no one to compare herself to and no path to follow feels like a kind of tribulation for her. It'll be interesting to see where it goes.
 
[X] Yu Nuan is not as skilled as you but she is driven and trustworthy, you think. Tentative acceptance, assuming conditions allow
 
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