Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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So, my take: We have some pretty restrictive Insights as far as our family is concerned. I don't think we should just try to adopt all our friends. In the case of Yu Nuan in particular, I don't feel enough of a connection nor interest to warrant the risk of making her family.
[X] You are not comfortable with your family being anything but family. You can't accept this.
[X] You are not comfortable with your family being anything but family. You can't accept this.
Hey everyone, first time posting here. Saw this on Royalroad, binged within a week and now caught up here as well. Gotta say, it's an amazing story and world.
Back to topic: I'd say accept her. We've got similar vocations, plus it'll be a big boon to our new clan. Besides it's a tentative acceptance, so if any dealbreakers turn up we can refuse it.
[x] Yu Nuan is not as skilled as you but she is driven and trustworthy, you think. Tentative acceptance, assuming conditions allow
Back to topic: I'd say accept her. We've got similar vocations, plus it'll be a big boon to our new clan. Besides it's a tentative acceptance, so if any dealbreakers turn up we can refuse it.
[x] Yu Nuan is not as skilled as you but she is driven and trustworthy, you think. Tentative acceptance, assuming conditions allow
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"Some of the names on those folders..."
"Yes?"
"Bai Meizhen and Xuan Shi? Adopting them would be highly over-ambitious."
"I am open to the possibility nonetheless."
"...but Sun Liling? Really?"
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Well, not all of them, we'd never be able to provide Meizhen or Xiulan with the kinda of lifestyle they are used to.
But as many we can provide for that do not have a pre existing family they are attached to, absolutely.
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"Look, i did not end up two steps removed from the Duchess on the Emerald Seas organizational chart by aiming low."
In theory, we are 3 steps removed from the Empress herself.
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"Didn't you see what her grandfather did?"
"I... what?"
"Oh yeah, it was really fucked up. Do you not read the interludes?"
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We don't actually. We have one about how enduring hardships is worth it if you bring back shinies to your loved ones, and all the rest are either unrelated to family, or make it easier to drop someone we disapprove of(sincerity is the way the worth of people should be measured, and one person's desires alone cannot make a home or family)
The big name clans do send their scions to the sect as they are large enough to send moderately talented kids there to learn and it's prestigious since the Sects saved everyone's asses during Odogei. Some of them become lifers and even elders given. Diao Linqin was an elder when Shenhua was at the Sect.
I really don't think this is the sort of thing that would have to be negotiated for. We're not talking about clan Arts or secret techniques here, just the practical things someone would pick from a few years of military service. To my mind that's stuff like how a military is organised, how to arrange patrols, general responses to different threats, etc. Someone Ling Qi marries not being able to share information like that with their own family would be extremely restrictive. And if this is stuff like Arts or other high value information then, if I remember correctly, their are rules about not being able to teach others Argent Sect Arts, so we'd likely run into similar problems anyway.
I definitely think there are advantages to having people who served in the sect military. But they come from having practical experience in the field and potentially making useful connections while doing so. Education from the sect is a decent deal, but the military service is a way to pay for it, not the education itself. I can't imagine the sort of information being picked up by first generation/poor cultivators in the process would be jealously guarded by noble clans.
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"One person's desires alone cannot make a home or a family" cuts both ways though: The moment we make her family, we need to take her desires into account in all decisions we make.
A marriage between clans is fundamentally a buisness transaction and the negotiated contract matters. Ultimately, a clan will agree to a marriage, because they want something from the other clan.
In our case, exclusive buisness monopolies with the white skies, some treasure we might find in the future, our political support in some matter or even zhengui's kids could all be of interest for some other clan.
And since they want something from us, they will not agree to just give us what we want for free. (Just like the spiritblood with the old ducal clans where we need to negotiate permission for our kids to be allowed their spiritblood traits)
So yeah, i wouldnt count on freebies during marriage negotiations
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Yes? We'd also have to do that out of just...being a decent human being, though. She's swearing herself to an even tighter binding than our vassalage to CRX; not taking her into account when making choices that will affect her would be a pretty shitty thing to do.
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One person's desires cannot, alone make a home nor a family.
I don't think adding an anti-authority viewpoint into the family with us being one of the main tools for a pro-authority baroness heir will end up going well.
[X] You are not comfortable with your family being anything but family. You can't accept this.
I don't think adding an anti-authority viewpoint into the family with us being one of the main tools for a pro-authority baroness heir will end up going well.
[X] You are not comfortable with your family being anything but family. You can't accept this.
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I don´t have anything against Yu Nuan, but should we try to get out Bond level higher before we agree to this?
I know out social links don´t translate all that well in real life reltions, but we are barely friends with her. I am not saying we shouldn´t entertain that though.
She probably is not plotting anything or want to undermine us and I want more family and she would nicely fit in, but agreeing outright is kinda strange. I at least think so.
[X] Your situation is still too much in flux, you aren't fully against this, but you can't decide now. [Puts off decision until turn 15]
I know out social links don´t translate all that well in real life reltions, but we are barely friends with her. I am not saying we shouldn´t entertain that though.
She probably is not plotting anything or want to undermine us and I want more family and she would nicely fit in, but agreeing outright is kinda strange. I at least think so.
[X] Your situation is still too much in flux, you aren't fully against this, but you can't decide now. [Puts off decision until turn 15]
My main complaint was that most of the big stuff the sect gave us was in Forge, i forgot some of these or dont count them (Xin's boons are spirit backing and unrelated to the sect, the lessons in threads have been the biggest letdown ever...) but you are right those are a lot of opportunities.
I think my big problem is that either the sect was extremely distant with personal training in Threads or the Cai backing is way less than advertised. I am still shoked LQ as Renxiang's direct retainer is not getting fully kitted out in appropriate 3rd realm talismans (consumables and equipement) and special combat training from someone.
The Cai clan has been characterised as "money isn't an issue but we need manpower" i just really dont see it.
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Sect has kept on giving us a fortune in green stones, access to libraries, vents, etc...
People just don't really register most of the stuff because it is more of a background noise by now instead of major plot points.
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I'd agree with you if we weren't in the middle of a hot war, with forces clashing openly and cultivators dying. She would carry the stigma of a coward for the rest of her life, and it would mar the Ling Clan's reputation alongside with hers.
So, how high a bond do you think one should have to qualify? Remember that Mama Ling and our spirits did not start with bond level of 4.
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I think you have completely missed the point.
The military service is not important, for Yu Nuans personal advancement.
Even if we pay her tuition she is not going to spend the whole war (assuming it lasts any length of time) fiddling her thumbs.
We can, and will, find her plenty of ways to contribute.
Though i suspect you are over estimating how much this war, and service therein, will affect peoples opinions.
If Yu Nuan finds herself working in the duchesses diplomatic mission to a peer (or near peer) power south of the wall, few are going to complain about that (and those people would have found something to complain anyway, just for the audacity of the Ling being direct retainers to the ducal heir).
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Clans snapping up talented commoners as investments is common and expected. I'd expect service terms being bought out to be more common now than usual, as clans grab their investments so that they get to be the ones choosing the appropriate level of risk for them to be in instead of the sect. It's not a question of whether she fights in the upcoming battles; it's a question of where, and under whose banner. The sect military isn't the entire armed forces of the region; as we've seen with Xia Lin, Shenhua has her own army as the military of Emerald Seas. Each major clan would as well, and even the minor barons would end up drawn in if the conflict approaches their fiefs. There's not a cultural expectation of military service for everyone who joins a sect; that's just how the scholarship kids pay back their student loans.
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