Both weilus are agrarians society, so your aside is irrelevant.
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Both weilus are agrarians society, so your aside is irrelevant.
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Ah. I don't really experience that at this point since attachment beyond "Oh I like this character" got burned out by the last thread. I'm more worried about newer, less explored characters like Shen Hu and how interesting the story can be.
It feels like an ever continuing trend that is for sure.
Constant arguments over high stress situations grow tiresome
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They do indeed.
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This is pretty fair, I had been sort of assuming that they practiced some sort of nomadic life style based on the prohibition against stone buildings. I will stand by the point that the notion that technological progress is positive for people is not always correct. You're right however that the critiques in this thread aren't really aligned at a critique of nomadic life style. The more I think about it, however, the more convinced I am that the Weilu progressives were essentially stealing land from an ostensibly aligned sovereign state.
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It probably would have been too tidy at the time, but Huang Da was badly hamstrung as a villain by joining up with team Cai. If we could have done something to avert Ji Rong's falling out with Cai then Huang Da probably would have been Lilings rapey henchman and our miniboss target.
yeah, one of the interesting things about this event is how many questions it raises.
It's worth noting that this is all massively pre-empire, and is not telling us anything about the Fall of the Weilu.
This conflict would, at first glance, make sense as one between hunter-gathererers and the development of settled agrarian societies - except that the Weilu's big thing is that they developed agriculture. LIke, I'm kinda looking at the conservatives here and going "do u know how to agriculture guys?"
It's worth noting that this is all massively pre-empire, and is not telling us anything about the Fall of the Weilu.
This conflict would, at first glance, make sense as one between hunter-gathererers and the development of settled agrarian societies - except that the Weilu's big thing is that they developed agriculture. LIke, I'm kinda looking at the conservatives here and going "do u know how to agriculture guys?"
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It's defs an interesting piece of the Weilu puzzle and I'm super glad we're learning but I'll be looking out for opportunities to find out more generally and especially about the fall.
Both because Weilu conservatism is relevant politically in the Emerald Seas but also because little miss 'gets invited to spririt gossip circle for her birthday' has drawn comparison in that arena in her way of dealing with spirits.
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I miswrote what I meant earlier. I think what the Weilu stoneworkers were doing was essentially the same as declaring war on the spirits of the Emerald Sea. The fact that there even was a pact implies that the spirits had some sort of loose governing body and by logging and otherwise clearing land that was outside the boundaries marked by the Weilu pact they were essentially constructing settlements in sovereign land. The Weilu Pact sounds a hell of a lot like a border demarcation treaty.
Well, there isn't necessarily that much connection between modern Weilu Conservatism and pre-Imperial Weilu Conservatism. There could be, but it can't really be assumed.
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It should also be noted that since this is pre-empire, the imperial cultivation system is not present yet in the Emerald Seas. So the King of the Forest has gotten to white without the advantage of a system that has had 12000+ years of figuring out what works and what doesn't. Additionally, he's likely using a totally different method of getting the energy needed to get to white. We know the Imperial system uses Spirit Stones, but given this King's distaste for the working of stone and metal, I find it unlikely that the ancient Weilu actually invested that much into the mines needed to get the quantities of spirit stones that the current Imperial system requires.
This raises significant questions on how the Weilu actually cultivated. Given that they were some of the first to figure out agriculture, it might have to do with really powerful connections to the land, but it could also be something like what the Cloud Barbarians engage in. We know that the Barbarians of the Western Jungle have their own means of cultivating and that they were going to be a part of the Empire before the assassination. This implies that the other provinces of the Empire had their own means of cultivating, and this dream might be an intriguing sneak peek into the results of this lost method of cultivation.
This raises significant questions on how the Weilu actually cultivated. Given that they were some of the first to figure out agriculture, it might have to do with really powerful connections to the land, but it could also be something like what the Cloud Barbarians engage in. We know that the Barbarians of the Western Jungle have their own means of cultivating and that they were going to be a part of the Empire before the assassination. This implies that the other provinces of the Empire had their own means of cultivating, and this dream might be an intriguing sneak peek into the results of this lost method of cultivation.
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There is what you're saying Erebeal, but there is going to be a line of cultural connection from here back to then just by dint of the Weilu still being a considerable ethnic and cultural force.
Detail wise we definitely can't make much connection, what they are attached too now is going to have changed radically, you are correct, but I'm putting forward the idea that there is going to be political legitimacy in the idea of "doing it like the weilu did" amongst some folks. So some are going to claim that, and take up the mantle of "Weilu conservative" even if they don't exactly support the same things the King here does.
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Sure, but the question there is what do modern cultivators think the Weilu did?
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Quite so, and you also have to keep in mind that "what modern cultivators think the Weilu did" is going to be adjusted by it's proponents to fit their own desires. Desires for like, matching personal beliefs about the world, and desires for power and desires for safety etc etc.
Considering both cultivator and spirit lifespans, and the fact records of the past like the one we're inside of right now exist, I believe modern Emerald Seas Cultivators' view of the Weilu might actually be very accurate. Specially among the conservatives, who are the most likely to seek out such sources of information.
Which does not prevent things from being changed, specially since 'what the Weilu did' certainly changed over time, specially with the coming of the Empire.
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I'll be honest, I feel the opposite here. I actually enjoy these events. It helps break up the monotony of the regular cultivate turns that have occasional sprinkle of social-fu. It also helps showcase our own abilities in live combat or just spices things up.
It's only stressful in the way that ANY OTHER quest is stressful becuase sometimes you dont know what's the right answer, and people will argue dozens of pages for their vote. And that's fine. That's exactly how it can be in real life as well.
These quick time events give us lore, plot hooks, and even sometimes bonuses. It's a lot more enjoyable to me reading about these things and speculating on them then ignoring page upon page of thread of stats/art efficiency/ most efficient path to get to X place b4 next tourney/ spreadsheets
Instead now we have people talking about lore, the weilu, different historical facts/comparisons, fae stuff, etc
Absolutely. Like, yes, events can be stressful - heck, that was why we needed a break last year after having tons of events one after another!
But at the same time, as we also found last year, if we don't have them things get kinda boring.
So a note on why the agriculture guys are going apeshit over the traditional agrarian society expansion route. I will remind that this is a fantasy setting. The progressives as you call them were taking the traditional route that agricultural societies do, which broke with the sort of fantastical 'tech' that the traditional guys were using.
That's not to say it didn't have a lot of advantages over how the traditional guys did things... but it has some pretty obvious downsides too
That's not to say it didn't have a lot of advantages over how the traditional guys did things... but it has some pretty obvious downsides too
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Yeah, even though it lets you run a super strong economy, it also--in this case--pissed off almost all their traditional allies and caused discord in their own internal affairs, and led to...
Well.
This
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Oh hell, that's why it escalated so hard even beyond the pride thing.
Before, they moved from settlement to settlement following the 'Cycle of the Seasons' -- it was basically a big form of crop rotation. When they stopped doing that and instead did what most young agricultural societies do and start farming as much as they can while building as tall as they can, they were pretty much depleting and exhausting the resources of the land--and that's what drove the conservatives and the spirits so fucking wild. Further expansion alone probably could have had a new deal worked out, but the growing pains of depleting the land's resources on top of that meant they weren't willing to bargain, and demanded an ultimatum.
Progressives never had time to figure out a proper way of doing crop rotation and otherwise unfucking things, because they got wiped out (Or whatever happened here) before that point because of what happened here.
Like, this makes perfect sense. Mesopotamia became a desert because it was ridiculously overfarmed thanks to being the perfect place to figure out agricultural society. It never got to this point here because the Muster of the Emerald Sea punched their faces off early (Though I imagine if the progressives win/could have won, they'd have figured out problem before it got that far anyway. It certainly seems like a solution was ultimately developed given what we've heard of how the Emerald Seas works--stuff like the capital city being literally built inside a super tree for instance)
Before, they moved from settlement to settlement following the 'Cycle of the Seasons' -- it was basically a big form of crop rotation. When they stopped doing that and instead did what most young agricultural societies do and start farming as much as they can while building as tall as they can, they were pretty much depleting and exhausting the resources of the land--and that's what drove the conservatives and the spirits so fucking wild. Further expansion alone probably could have had a new deal worked out, but the growing pains of depleting the land's resources on top of that meant they weren't willing to bargain, and demanded an ultimatum.
Progressives never had time to figure out a proper way of doing crop rotation and otherwise unfucking things, because they got wiped out (Or whatever happened here) before that point because of what happened here.
Like, this makes perfect sense. Mesopotamia became a desert because it was ridiculously overfarmed thanks to being the perfect place to figure out agricultural society. It never got to this point here because the Muster of the Emerald Sea punched their faces off early (Though I imagine if the progressives win/could have won, they'd have figured out problem before it got that far anyway. It certainly seems like a solution was ultimately developed given what we've heard of how the Emerald Seas works--stuff like the capital city being literally built inside a super tree for instance)
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I wonder what Zhengui will think of this situation when we tell him about it? Will he be devastated that he wasn't able to help and protect us because he was sleeping, glad that he can now protect us better from such situations, or resolve to become even stronger so that he can influence the world and prevent these situations from occurring in the first place?
It'll be interesting to have a conversation with him about this blood-soaked night. Where a King decides to slay his kin.
It'll be interesting to have a conversation with him about this blood-soaked night. Where a King decides to slay his kin.
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Seems like the vote can be locked at this point, no way there's gonna be some king of turn around with this ratio.
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I think it likely had to be figured out, in the sense of bomb defusal has to be done, because the knowledge wasn't entirely stamped out and in effect could not be because more advanced agricultural techniques are a consequence of humans being curious humans.
So you get this pre-unification episode of mutual mass murder and then the Weilu tick along as traditionalist isolationists, spawning the Xi and other daughter clans who have their own specialties. Then *poof* go the Weilu and the Xi are left to take it up. Somewhere in-between what we're seeing now and the *poof* it seems like a solution got worked out.