You can breed for average talent (even without spiritblood), it is why we even got clans, anything above that is up to chance tho. So it is not entirely a random process to start with.
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Ever since I saw character creation and further by han Jian interlude, talent seems to be created by hardships as a child and the motivation cause by it.
But they aren't, its the other way around. Every random Red Soul city guard isn't considered a noble. All nobles are cultivators, not all cultivators are nobles. The Ma sisters, for instance, are the daughters of 'common cultivator' craftspeople.
They probably just would have healed over during her breakthroughs since wearing earrings aren't really part of her self-image yet.Ling qi getting her ears pierced. Her tier 3 ears.
Should've done it already as a mortal.
I mean there are probably simple formations that allow them to just be stuck on instead of requiring piercings if people don't want them.
crap. well I guess it is so. still, you probably have to gather plenty of resources to even think of getting beyond the red realm. ling qi is an exception since she was included into the sect. but I guess guards and such don't necessarily get access to many cultivation techniques and materials you'd find on the sect and noble houses. so... all the cultivators that matter are noble or have some backing (at least from their parents) in the sect. it's like, you have to pay money to go to college, but some people who are exceptionally talented may get scholarships like ling qi. well, also it is quite hard for a normal cultivator to go past the realms, but for nobles (and especially the high ranking ones) it is somewhat expected. I guess that is somewhat of an indication that they have better talent somewhat on average (if you compare them to the general population). I may contradict myself but ysrill did make it seem like in terms of ability it's more fair.But they aren't, its the other way around. Every random Red Soul city guard isn't considered a noble. All nobles are cultivators, not all cultivators are nobles. The Ma sisters, for instance, are the daughters of 'common cultivator' craftspeople.
use high tier needles? I bet there are some that can still cut through her flesh like it's made of butter.Ling qi getting her ears pierced. Her tier 3 ears.
Should've done it already as a mortal.
I think it's a matter of resources. 1 Red stone sells for 95 silver coins, wich is a lot (you can feed family for months and still have some) for most commoners. I don't think nobles have that much better average talant. LQ was far from the only commoner at Sect. But even here disparity was showing, because A) most nobles had a head start in cultivation somewhere in Red or some even in Yellow realm whereas commoners were unawakened, B) nobles had allowance from their families, wich naturally included additional spirit stones and pills - wich is essential for faster cultivation, C) and don't forget about clan arts that gives noble kids edge when first three months is over and you can get tokens from defeated opponents, guess most defeated are of common born.crap. well I guess it is so. still, you probably have to gather plenty of resources to even think of getting beyond the red realm. ling qi is an exception since she was included into the sect. but I guess guards and such don't necessarily get access to many cultivation techniques and materials you'd find on the sect and noble houses. so... all the cultivators that matter are noble or have some backing (at least from their parents) in the sect. it's like, you have to pay money to go to college, but some people who are exceptionally talented may get scholarships like ling qi. well, also it is quite hard for a normal cultivator to go past the realms, but for nobles (and especially the high ranking ones) it is somewhat expected. I guess that is somewhat of an indication that they have better talent somewhat on average (if you compare them to the general population). I may contradict myself but ysrill did make it seem like in terms of ability it's more fair.
I mean it's not true Random as there is an inherent bias towards Talent 3-4 per Yrs, I refer more that it is Random as in taking little to no input from external sources save the known exception that is Spirit-Blood. Having an average talent will mean that the more kids and grandkids the greater parity your clan will have with the Talent distribution curve. I was more doubling down on commenting that you can't eugenics your way into a general increase in Talent distribution without introducing spirit blood of some kind, only increase your chances of matching the curve.You can breed for average talent (even without spiritblood), it is why we even got clans, anything above that is up to chance tho. So it is not entirely a random process to start with.
well, yeah it's mostly about resources and numbers. but still, I can't believe that hereditary doesn't play a slight role in this, although not as great. I think it's more like intelligence, where there's just a higher chance of someone being smarter if both parents are smart, but it's still not necessary. there is also a slight bias so it's not completely random, but random enough such that it's not completely 'fair' as for the distribution of resources. shit this is going places I don't like. I hope we can all simply agree that nobles are shitheads and leave it at that.I mean it's not true Random as there is an inherent bias towards Talent 3-4 per Yrs, I refer more that it is Random as in taking little to no input from external sources save the known exception that is Spirit-Blood. Having an average talent will mean that the more kids and grandkids the greater parity your clan will have with the Talent distribution curve. I was more doubling down on commenting that you can't eugenics your way into a general increase in Talent distribution without introducing spirit blood of some kind, only increase your chances of matching the curve.
Established Clans have the benefit of being able to screen and encourage those members of average talent more easily than other allowing for the perception of better than average Talent as they will tend to have more Greens because they know who will and will not benefit from their arts and resources the most. It's a great example of Selection Bias, as we expect Clans to do better and because they have more Cultivators at higher Realms the assumption is its due to Talent rather than the fact that the only examples that anyone sees outside of Clan duties are the ones pre-selected as likely to be successful and those that are successful will inevitably live longer than the unsuccessful ones increasing the Ratio of higher talent persons in the clan via attrition. It's an interesting way that the older Clans, Zheng and Bai, have managed their power structure as the perception of their power being inherent to their bloodline and Clan history rather than their sheer numbers and ability to determine who is the best investment prevents most under educated rebels (Non sect Greens and below) from attempting to actually revolt without similarly powerful backing a la the Sun with the Imperial Throne.
Who came up with that theory?? Like seriously, was her father a cloud nomad spy who infiltrated the Emerald Seas region ...and while on his mission, on a whim he decided to whisk a wayward young girl off her feet, promise her the world and leave after he gets what he really wants? And then what, he continues on his mission?
Even if you change the ending to match the other slightly less dubious theory people have, about the Liu killing him off or threatening him off bc they didn't want Qingge having a happy ending...its still dumb writing. And Yrsillar is better than that.
I also don't see why there has to be some reason her dad was prevented from leaving the city with Qingge. You know, there are men who do just up and leave after they get the one thing they want, regardless of what promises they make. Plenty of men actually.
He just wanted nobody else to be hurt.It hurt.
Resonating through two minds, the hole that had been torn in them throbbed. [Growth] failed to restore the memory that was lost. [Renewal] failed to cleanse the oily taint of the predator's touch from their spirit.
It was hard to think, but Gui hadn't minded. He was glad to have helped Big Sister, in feeling this pain, he had spared her from it. It had only hurt that she hadn't appreciated it. Zhen's temper bled into Gui, and he let out a rumble as his other half hissed.
...and it hadn't even mattered. Gui had tried as hard as he could, fought as hard as he could, and Big Sister had still had to hurt herself to save them. Now they were lost in this weird place, with no ground or sky, no beasts or trees.
Gui felt small and blind, and hated it.
Zhen felt weak and useless and hated it.
Hiding his face, I think, refers to Xuan Shi's social art, which puts up an impenetrable front against perceptions. Except Zhengui perceives people through reading their [Titles] and being unable to do so doesn't inspire much trust."Fishy Man messed up again!" Gui growled, glaring at their companion.
"Hmph, I Zhen, think he is just not trying very hard," Zhen sneered.
"This one can only apologize," the not-Xuan Wu hid his face, and Zhengui felt his fury swell. He had always disliked him and his presumption. Everything about him screamed untrustworthiness. Nest-Mimic. False-Brother. Deepwater-Child. Liar.
He knew she didn't see the not-Xuan Wu the way he did. He knew instinctively that she couldn't. Neither could Big Sis. It was why he had never spoken up, and simply held himself to watching.
"Do not quarrel among yourselves," Xuan Shi said warily. "Sir Zhengui's disposition is understandable. This one is not offended."
Zhen glared down at him, heat rippling off his scales. That pitabile humility, it was a false shell, a thing to hide behind. But like Zhengui's own shell, it's defense was too good.
He did not know where they were going. Zhengui could tell.
@yrsillar broken bit bolded, whats it supposed to say there? Further what?Hanyi was scared too. She sounded like she wanted to cry. Zhengui felt the volcanic heat in his shell further. She didn't understand.
Theres something to that. Hmm...you know, Zhengui spent a lot of his time as a Red toddling around the Argent Vent while we practiced Argent Mirror IIRC."We should search for a way out," Zhen hissed sulkily.
"This one does not know such ways and has said such before, Sir Zhengui. Perhaps thou might consider cycling thy qi to clear obstructions?" There was a shade of his real face, Gui thought grimly.
Curious, didn't notice before that Zhen was more trusting and Gui more stubborn."Hey, will you quiet down for a second," Hanyi said, cutting him off.
"Hanyi should stop being so rude," Zhen glowered. "I Zh-"
"No, keep arguing if you want, afterward," Hanyi dismissed. "I think I felt something, so I want you to quiet down for a second."
Zhen stopped. Hanyi sounded certain. Gui stood still, and silent. If Hanyi had found something, that was definitely more trustworthy than that Fishy man! Zhen peered down at her.
His friend had closed her eyes, and was humming a tune. It was meaningless to Zhen, but Gui could feel the melody reverberating with the chaos. She paused, then hummed the same melody again, and then a third time. Suddenly, she opened her eyes and clapped her hands. "Ah, it's the Flower Lady!"
Zhen felt his heart beat faster in excitement. If hanyi had found the flower Lady, then maybe they could get out! She had been skilled at talking to people far away! Gui felt more caution. He trusted Hanyi, but she liked to brag and exaggerate things. He didn't think she would do that when Big Sis was hurt, but...
"This one feels nothing. What is it you sense?" Xuan Shi asked, frowning behind his collar.
"Don't worry about it," Hanyi said smugly, standing up atop Zhengui's shell. "It's not your fault that you two are tone deaf.
"Is Hanyi sure that she isn't just imagining things," Gui asked suspiciously.
Hanyi puffed out her cheeks in irritation, "Of course not!"
"...It is a destination, is it not sir Zhengui?" Xuan Shi asked. "Brother Liao remains elusive."
"...Maybe flower lady will have a better sense of direction than Fishy Man," Gui grumbled. "Where should Gui walk?"
"This way!" Hanyi announced haughtily. Whatever misgivings he had, it was better to be following Hanyi than the not-Xuan wu.
Hopefully they could finally get somewhere.
He did not know how long they spent walking, but Gui had forced himself to keep going on. He forced bubbling irritation and fear down, and made himself trust in Hanyi.
Wilted is good phrasing for a Wood cultivator."Thank goodness," Bian Ya slumped a little as she saw them. Flower Lady was wilted, she looked like she needed a very long nap. "Someone heard."
Actually...how's Zhengui's social perception?"Hehe, how lucky, right? Told ya it was worth the gamble," Zhen felt a frission of discomfort as the other thing spoke though. It looked like a fox with a human face, but it wasn't. It was something wrong.
It was like the not Xuan wu. It was a Liar and a Nest-Mimic. A mask over a mask over a mask.
Gui instantly distrusted it, and was glad to see Flower lady frown at it. At least he was not the only one to distrust it.
Xuan Shi stepped forward and bowed his head. "This one must offer the deepest apologies Sister Bian. As a defender, this one failed in their task, and allowed your concentration to be muddled."
"Izzat what you think happened?" the spirit chuckled. "What a responsible guy."
Zhen hissed softly, observing them both. Where they collaborators? Zhen would watch, and Zhen would bite them both.
Just how good IS his perception?"Hanyi…" Zhen hissed in irritation. Hanyi was already acting like they were safe, but he could read Flower ladies face. They weren't safe, and they needed to get out!.
Zhengui Utility:Actually...how's Zhengui's social perception?
It sounds like he managed to detect the presence of some potent social defenses even if he can't see through them.
crap. well I guess it is so. still, you probably have to gather plenty of resources to even think of getting beyond the red realm. ling qi is an exception since she was included into the sect. but I guess guards and such don't necessarily get access to many cultivation techniques and materials you'd find on the sect and noble houses. so... all the cultivators that matter are noble or have some backing (at least from their parents) in the sect. it's like, you have to pay money to go to college, but some people who are exceptionally talented may get scholarships like ling qi. well, also it is quite hard for a normal cultivator to go past the realms, but for nobles (and especially the high ranking ones) it is somewhat expected. I guess that is somewhat of an indication that they have better talent somewhat on average (if you compare them to the general population). I may contradict myself but ysrill did make it seem like in terms of ability it's more fair.
I mean it's not true Random as there is an inherent bias towards Talent 3-4 per Yrs, I refer more that it is Random as in taking little to no input from external sources save the known exception that is Spirit-Blood. Having an average talent will mean that the more kids and grandkids the greater parity your clan will have with the Talent distribution curve. I was more doubling down on commenting that you can't eugenics your way into a general increase in Talent distribution without introducing spirit blood of some kind, only increase your chances of matching the curve.
Established Clans have the benefit of being able to screen and encourage those members of average talent more easily than other allowing for the perception of better than average Talent as they will tend to have more Greens because they know who will and will not benefit from their arts and resources the most. It's a great example of Selection Bias, as we expect Clans to do better and because they have more Cultivators at higher Realms the assumption is its due to Talent rather than the fact that the only examples that anyone sees outside of Clan duties are the ones pre-selected as likely to be successful and those that are successful will inevitably live longer than the unsuccessful ones increasing the Ratio of higher talent persons in the clan via attrition. It's an interesting way that the older Clans, Zheng and Bai, have managed their power structure as the perception of their power being inherent to their bloodline and Clan history rather than their sheer numbers and ability to determine who is the best investment prevents most under educated rebels (Non sect Greens and below) from attempting to actually revolt without similarly powerful backing a la the Sun with the Imperial Throne.
Also, most of the trouble non-noble cultivators get into (Su ling aside, but she's spiritblooded anyways) is more because of the same personality which gives them cultivating ability then the reverse: plenty of people are dissatisfied with their home life, but only a few would have the audacity and confidence to run, many people are victimized by nobles but not many dare slay them in vengeance, etc.overall, I doubt lineage has nothing to do with cultivation ability. since they rely on cultivation ability to consolidate their power. spirit blood just gives them an edge.
the character sheet is just common sense. a noble is more likely to be of a more average cultivation ability (unless he is a scion of a high noble family. in that case he is also spirit blooded) since all cultivators are nobles. but a commoner must be pretty good to make someone even take notice.
being able to get to green and past that is enough. someone who gets to green while young gets to be a noble because they will probably make it to the fourth. most cultivators can't even dream about it.Becoming a Noble by lucking into the Sect and reaching Green fast enough isn't that big an exception considering the attrition rate of fodder Barons. I imagine Great Sectts produce quite a number per year.
Not that Ling Qi isn't exceptional, it is just for different reasons. She was able to to a) make it to Green during her FIRST year (most new barons prolly barely make the time limit, I do not think its made to be lenient, its made to incorporate the ones exceptional enough to be dangerous) and b) dunk on most lords while slowly being able to catch up with the ducals (she is faster than them, they just started earlier and have lots of advantages). Most fodder barons are unable to do either of those things, that our year had 2 contributed to it being a monster year and skewering our perception, yeah, but the average fodder/new baron closer to the Ma siblings in trajectory, with the more skilled ones being like Gan Guangly (also a commoner) and Su Ling. Ling Qi and Ji Rong are monsters and freaks of nature, yes, but they do not represent the average commoner born noble by any extent, neither in rarity nor skill.
I think the biggest advantages old families give is options and knowledge. If Xiulan didn't know that old family trick, she'd still be in the outer Sect. Yes, it comes with drawbacks (scarring, potentially deadly), but if every commoner knew all the ways to roll and manipulate the dice, we'd have a lot more commoners making it. Add all the litle tricks, the techniques, the shortcuts, the foundation building, the deals with spirits, the family spirits, the Dao know how etc. and you get a very good reason why old famillies get greater odds for high realms than new(er) families even when the resources and talent are nominally the same (the hard cap on stones and limited efficiency of pills mean the actual cultivation gap ain't that big for a sect student, it makes one a lil slower, sure, but if he is gonna make it to green, he is gonna make it in time even with the low end). Secrets > stones, is all I'm saying, and we really lucked into the moon.