Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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2) "the only reason to go over their heads is because we're planning to go against their interests" is essentially a false dichotomy. Ling Qi's reason was essentially to avoid playing telephone: she made her case directly to the ultimate decision maker, rather than filtering it through intermediaries. Is that "against their interests"? I guess, technically? But it's the difference between "ending up at" and "going to."
If giving the highest imperial authority in the province an accurate report is against the interests of the sect elders, maybe the sect elders interests are not the interests of the empire, or even anywhere near them. :thonk:

And if the elders were going to give an accurate report, then there is no reason for us to not do so instead, as we are the primary source, and we work for the Cai first and foremost, and are in the sect only for our education.
 
Wouldn't that mean that the pro-sect vote had no negatives? I don't that one choice was completely superior to the other one is a fair assumption to make.



More important part, I think, is that if we had told Sect first they would have had some success to show off. As it is, they were completely blindsided by Shishigui and cloud tribes. And this operation, that was supposed to roll over all opposition and avenge Elder Zhou, turned into a clusterfuck again.

If Ling Qi had told them about those barbarians, Sect could have spun that as a part of the plan: "we didn't kill everyone like we expected, instead we destroyed an alliance between them and opened a possibility of gaining an ally". But at this point Sect does not look very successful.
I honestly expect the sect would be more pissed at us, but we'd have a better understanding of their positions and how to navigate them in the future. That's solid trade-offs. What I don't think would have happened is the Sect taking the plotline out of Ling Qi's hands, cause that would suck.

Pretty seriously doubt the sect would try touting anything involving the White Sky as a notable success. The sect has not displayed itself as terribly... lenient towards non-imperial factions.

They're not mad because we stole their thunder. They're mad because we intentionally went over their head with information of what occurred during their operation. An opportunity we used to advocate for a course of action the sect thinks is stupid using sentiment the sect finds distasteful.
 
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I'm not sure i buy the idea that the White Sky plotline could not have been lost, i mean, had we gone underground then we would never have encountered that plotline in the first place.

I could see the next branch being about wether we actively defy the sect and try to warn the White Sky from an ambush (probably needing to steal back the iron talisman), or if we go along with the sect trying to destroy them.
The elders wanted revenge, and we had a target they could hit, instead we went to Shenhua and convinced her to try diplomacy.
 
There are many legends which predate the formation of the Empire, and very few material artifacts. While the scholastic orthodoxy often dismisses such legends for their lack of clarity and the caginess of the spirits involved, the Dust of Ages Sect contends that through study and comparison of the regional tales it is possible to discern historical events which occurred before, during, and in the aftermath of the age of Dragons.
Scholastic orthodoxy coupled to historians dismissing history for a lack of clarity...suggests to me that 'orthodoxy' basically means referencing written histories exclusively. Whereas Dust of Ages implies they favor more...hands on archeology.
When the world was new and the people had not learned to mark the movements of the sky, the world was without law. Seasons came and went without order, winter following spring and summer following fall, without rhyme or reason. It was difficult to live in such a way, but the people persevered.
Calender was invented by the Weilu IIRC?
But the world did not belong to their children alone. Many parts of the enemy had stained creation, blood and bile, bone and flesh. From these arose the woes of the people; sickness and death and impurity. From these arose Beasts.

Yet Beasts were not as the stars, not things from Outside, who sought only destruction. Beasts were of the earth and the sky, the moon and the sun. They were the unwanted children, born from death. They coveted the gifts that had been given to the people, and schemed to rule that which was theirs.
Not sure how much of this is propaganda.
It does sort of justify spirit core toxicity at a superficial examination...but given the creation myth humans would be made of much the same stuff, except deliberately rather than a blender set to Chunky.
From the Beasts[1] arose Kings and then Gods, and the people did suffer. They were not mighty, having never been made for war. So Beasts came upon the people and came to rule them, unassailable in might. They chained the gifts of father and Mother, and hid them away in their vaults. They came for the people, reeling in their barren homes. Many were devoured, many were hunted, and many more came to serve. For the mightiest and wisest of beasts knew that should the Eldest despair for their siblings, they would turn their faces from the world, and there would be only the laughter of thirsting stars.[2]
  1. This is the most common divergence point in regional legends. Tales from the northern portions of the stories reach will tend to speak of dragons rather than beasts. It is possible then that the event's this story represents occurred during the transitory period between the pre-draconic and draconic eras. It is just as likely however that it is simply a distortion wrought by loss of cultural memory.
  2. It is interesting the degree of agency accorded to great spirits in the oldest of tales, indicating that their role may have once been a more active one.
Given the "Beast Kings" of the Emerald Seas, Yao's origins and Granny Snake being half dragon herself, I think that sounds like a hell lot more like every region had their own local super spirit beasts, where the dragons got syncretized with whichever local creatures dominated, as Celestial Peaks(where the dragons dominated) was the center of Imperial culture and their stories were pushed into local variations when Peaks based humans conquered.

Uncounted ages passed in misery and bondage for the people, and the Beast Kings grew fat from the world's bounty. They warred and feuded and quarrelled, but never so much that their power wavered. In the comfort of their might, the Gods grew slothful, loath to rise from their thrones. The mighty artifice of mind and spirit which had carved their domains turned to idle things, and soon in the halls of the gods there was only decadence.
And this part is definitely dragons, as Formations were their work.
The Bag of Winds, which the first of the Gods, long dead by now had crafted to entrap Father's breath, and bring all the world outside of their lands into stagnancy.
De-mythologizing it, as beings of the sky, a weather controlling formation, a prison for wild Wind Spirits(which in large quantities certainly could give dragons trouble)\, or both?

Or maybe they just used it to suck up wind spirits annoying them into a big wind spirit container until all the Wind Spirits fused together.
Inside the girl found treasures beyond counting, but she had eyes for only the Bag of Winds, bulging with the captive power of Father. With her prize before her at last, the girl drew forth a knife, and carved the the bag asunder.

She laughed as the winds tore loose, tearing the vault asunder and bursting the door, such that the mighty vault boomed open and shattered, scattering the treasures back into the earth. The winds howled, tearing through the halls of the gods, even as they cradled the girl like the hands of a Father.
For some reason this bit reminded me of when Ling Qi used her knife on disarming Renshu's formation security.
Only then did the wine sodden and fattened gods see their folly. They roared and raged, struggling to rise from their thrones. The girl laughed even louder to see their comical struggle. How foolish the Gods seemed and how petty, heaving and flopping about!

But the girl's mocking laughter did what the theft did not, it struck the Gods pride, a sin which the mighty never forgive. The halls of the gods were torn asunder by their rage, some semblance of their past glory girding their limbs as they roared into the sky after her, doggedly chasing her heels.[5]
The use of laughter and mockery to stir the gods to wrath is also common to all known versions of the story. Proponents of dragon theory believe this a mark in their favor. It is well known after all, the pathological response mocking laughter from a perceived inferior induces in Dragons of all kinds.
Sounds like racial trauma lol
But the wind was not without mind any longer, and the girl was no longer bound by her weakness of body. She rode the wind and she became it, laughing at every attempt to contain her. The girl's laughter rang out one last time as she flew high into the sky, as if to soar to the sun itself.

There, burning with the light of the sun, the winds became four, and the gods were cast down to break upon the earth. The girl was no more and there was only the winds, North, South, East, and West.

In the night, when the wind whispers through the trees, it is her voice that you hear.
And this bit sounded like the Wind Thief absorbed an energy field far too large for her and she had to crash ascend or die.

Or maybe she faked exploding.
 
[X] Xuan Shi could use more friends and contacts, he had met Suyin before too. Perhaps you could him a favor and introduce them again before asking a favor in turn?

I'm new here and this discussion of the Sect advancing to the top 500 people that didn't quite deserve it feels a bit strange with the duelling system. Did I misread one of the rules? I know that right now challenges are stopped, but in a regular situation there shouldn't be anything stopping a better disciple from challenging Li Suyin for her spot, is there? Of course in a non-duel battle the judging Elder's can bias the results, but I don't think they could bias them too much. If anything, I feel like this was a deserved promotion that was only quite possible because the duelling system is on-hold. They expect Li Suyin to improve enough with the extra resources that when the status quo resumes she'll be more than deserving of her rank.
 
[X] Xuan Shi could use more friends and contacts, he had met Suyin before too. Perhaps you could him a favor and introduce them again before asking a favor in turn?

I'm new here and this discussion of the Sect advancing to the top 500 people that didn't quite deserve it feels a bit strange with the duelling system. Did I misread one of the rules? I know that right now challenges are stopped, but in a regular situation there shouldn't be anything stopping a better disciple from challenging Li Suyin for her spot, is there? Of course in a non-duel battle the judging Elder's can bias the results, but I don't think they could bias them too much. If anything, I feel like this was a deserved promotion that was only quite possible because the duelling system is on-hold. They expect Li Suyin to improve enough with the extra resources that when the status quo resumes she'll be more than deserving of her rank.

The people in the top 500 would have a lot of contribution points, to the point where anyone lower wouldn't be able to force the matter. Additionally someone like Suyin is a peerless expert on her subject matter, so the supervising Elder could choose to make the challenge about that and guarantee the higher ranking disciple's victory.
 
The people in the top 500 would have a lot of contribution points, to the point where anyone lower wouldn't be able to force the matter. Additionally someone like Suyin is a peerless expert on her subject matter, so the supervising Elder could choose to make the challenge about that and guarantee the higher ranking disciple's victory.
It's not the supervising Elder that determines the type of the duel; it's the challenged party i.e. Suyin in this case :Ü™
 
[X] Xuan Shi could use more friends and contacts, he had met Suyin before too. Perhaps you could him a favor and introduce them again before asking a favor in turn?

I'm new here and this discussion of the Sect advancing to the top 500 people that didn't quite deserve it feels a bit strange with the duelling system. Did I misread one of the rules? I know that right now challenges are stopped, but in a regular situation there shouldn't be anything stopping a better disciple from challenging Li Suyin for her spot, is there? Of course in a non-duel battle the judging Elder's can bias the results, but I don't think they could bias them too much. If anything, I feel like this was a deserved promotion that was only quite possible because the duelling system is on-hold. They expect Li Suyin to improve enough with the extra resources that when the status quo resumes she'll be more than deserving of her rank.
Even before the duels were put on hold to ascend above 500 was a matter of sect contribution, not challenge performance. I'd figure the 'normal' non-patronized way of getting there is to challenge your way up to 500 and then spam Sect Missions to rack up enough contribution points that they pretty much have to promote you.
 
It's not the supervising Elder that determines the type of the duel; it's the challenged party i.e. Suyin in this case :Ü™
This only half-true:
6. Upon acceptance of a challenge, the disciple of superior rank will be given a choice of challenge types to pick from by the Official or Elder providing oversight to the challenge.
The referee gives options and Suyin would get to pick.
 
I'm new here and this discussion of the Sect advancing to the top 500 people that didn't quite deserve it feels a bit strange with the duelling system. Did I misread one of the rules? I know that right now challenges are stopped, but in a regular situation there shouldn't be anything stopping a better disciple from challenging Li Suyin for her spot, is there? Of course in a non-duel battle the judging Elder's can bias the results, but I don't think they could bias them too much. If anything, I feel like this was a deserved promotion that was only quite possible because the duelling system is on-hold. They expect Li Suyin to improve enough with the extra resources that when the status quo resumes she'll be more than deserving of her rank.

If I remember correctly then in normal times the challenger requires permission to challenge into the top 500 from lower ranks. So high 400 ranks are likely weaker than low 500. Not sure where that was stated though.

But there's more to it than just the initial challenge rules.
 
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Now it's suyin treating us to her White Room equivalent some days eh?

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It's just be like old times with Li Suyin, Su Ling, and Ling Qi cultivating together by a vent in Li Suyin's house ..... for months at a time
 
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Hrm, wonder who 501 is ATM. Also I wonder who #1 and if Liao Zhu will lose his spot as #2?
Also does this mean Liao Zhu plans to stick w/ the Sect for the foreseeable future?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by RebelYell on Aug 27, 2020 at 2:01 PM, finished with 262 posts and 90 votes.
 
It's been very long...... but guess who got commissioned to bring you more FoD art!!

Let's all remember to thank @Killer_Whale, without whom, this would not be existent~

In addition to everything people have already said, the designs on the armor is so detailed and ornate, I LOVE IT!
(I'm a suckered for detailed artwork obviously)
 
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