NoxOfUmbra
Shadow of the night
- Location
- Colombia, South América
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Yrs cleared in discord that she was pointing at LQ and the stone
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Location
- Colorado
As interesting as this is, it's pretty terrible all around.
For option 1 telling her to flee could come off as a threat, and it doesn't really offer her anything.
For option 2 it should be remembered that we are the aggressor here and asking her to turn on people she was having a civil conversation with seems like a bad idea.
For option 3 it seems like a monumentally bad idea to ignore/turn our back on someone who is so much stronger than us.
Some other things we should remember:
-Our bosses will almost certainly see her as an enemy combatant even if we somehow convince her to help. The best she can hope for is to be imprisoned comfortably.
-We do not have authority to offer her the Starstone under any circumstance. It's one thing if we can't stop her from taking it, but if we let her have it that's a blatant betrayal of the Sect.
-If she escapes and we sneak off to a meeting with her later the Sect might think we're a fucking spy passing information to the enemy.
My best idea is to try a modification of option 1, tell her she should flee, but hint we'd like to talk later, possibly name dropping Zeqing. Afterwards we tell CRX everything, and if she thinks there's any merit to the idea, we tell Liao Zhu. Then if we have support from both, we try to get Elder approval for a tentative meeting.
For option 1 telling her to flee could come off as a threat, and it doesn't really offer her anything.
For option 2 it should be remembered that we are the aggressor here and asking her to turn on people she was having a civil conversation with seems like a bad idea.
For option 3 it seems like a monumentally bad idea to ignore/turn our back on someone who is so much stronger than us.
Some other things we should remember:
-Our bosses will almost certainly see her as an enemy combatant even if we somehow convince her to help. The best she can hope for is to be imprisoned comfortably.
-We do not have authority to offer her the Starstone under any circumstance. It's one thing if we can't stop her from taking it, but if we let her have it that's a blatant betrayal of the Sect.
-If she escapes and we sneak off to a meeting with her later the Sect might think we're a fucking spy passing information to the enemy.
My best idea is to try a modification of option 1, tell her she should flee, but hint we'd like to talk later, possibly name dropping Zeqing. Afterwards we tell CRX everything, and if she thinks there's any merit to the idea, we tell Liao Zhu. Then if we have support from both, we try to get Elder approval for a tentative meeting.
Nope. She is pointing between LQ and the stone. No where in that is any indication towards her wanting the stone. Nor is anything beside Asking about Lineage and Aid mentioned.
So cant see any hint about her wanting the stone.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
She is, in fact, here with the army of barbarians. I not sure why you think the fact that she's part of one of the three sub-factions meeting here means otherwise...
Also reminder of the end of the update:
No more then one clause.
Simple idea.
Single sentence.
No more then one clause.
Simple idea.
We are a sincerity cultivator though, we can choose to not mention truths at times, but like promises we cant necessarily uphold can easily turn into lies. Its dangerous
The only suggestion that actually seems like a genuinely different path here and worth considering is the suggestion for her to just stand aside from the fight and we'll treat her as a diplomatic envoy. Which is sort of a middle option between "get out of here now" and "pls help for diplo points".
(though tbh given she has little reason to help us, I kinda feel like pls help would just be negotiated to this anyway)
(though tbh given she has little reason to help us, I kinda feel like pls help would just be negotiated to this anyway)
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
Basic connection, an expressions of Ling Qi's "I AM"; ,but I do agree that the bit you quoted from my write in is more foundational than directly relevant and that we need to more than that alone. An "I AM" is however a better foundation for longer term relationships (be it between individuals or as members of organisations) than an "I WANT".
That said... flowery? We are literally communicating via music. Expression of meaning via music, translated to linguistics does tend towards the flowery. That is just what happens. 'Flowery' (or as I would describe: [Abstract-translated-to-grounded]) is not a problem (when one adds plain-language to convey to the QM what one intends with their vote).
Flowery is the shape of our description of how Ling Qi is communicating.
Honestly lets just look at one of the defaults here, my favorite really:
[] Tell her to help if she's so interested in you, you can talk later.
As you can see it is dead simple. It is relevant to the fact that she mentioned help and given she's a G8 we can presume she was offering rather than requesting. It does not try to explain who we are and where we learned things because those are complicated concepts and Ling Qi understands we're both dealing with a significant language barrier and cultural differences that can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings and very short on time.
[] Tell her to help if she's so interested in you, you can talk later.
As you can see it is dead simple. It is relevant to the fact that she mentioned help and given she's a G8 we can presume she was offering rather than requesting. It does not try to explain who we are and where we learned things because those are complicated concepts and Ling Qi understands we're both dealing with a significant language barrier and cultural differences that can lead to all sorts of misunderstandings and very short on time.
Flowery may be the shape, but the content of the options we've been offered is Simple, and there's a reason for that.
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Imma vote for "OK" and thumbs up.
*googles the meaning of the thumbs up gesture around the world*
...oops
*googles the meaning of the thumbs up gesture around the world*
...oops
I mean Yrs asked for a simple sentence. Its not meant to be some super flowery thing
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
You're point being? The trade is from her Pov i'll take the stone to save your life, of course she's pointing at Ling Qi.
- Location
- Germany
The moment Ling Qi realizes for once, There such a thing as too much attention in a fight!
Double hilarious, since her fighting style relies on getting attention from the enemy.
Note:
- Swing on Zhengui aborted, since she saw LQs reaction
- Winterlady deliberately wants to communicate with us in the middle of a battlefield and presumably spent most of the fight advancing towards LQs position.
- Also, Winterlady spent the Qi to make an icewall isolating LQ and her for this talk and tried to communicate with hand gestures. This is special effort from someone so regal looking and should definitely be noted under really wants to talk to us, I think.
- Winterlady gestures between LQ and starstone with the scepter in the middle of a battle.
- Maybe she wants to help moving it in exchange for knowledge on how a lowlander aquired direct ice spirit techniques and presumably direct favor?
- Ling Qi thinks this consonant heavy language isn´t quite hill tribe speech.
- The Hill tribes are known in the empire for still retaining Old Weilu influence
- LQ knows Alingge as an Old Tribe cultivator with her Deer Heartcompanion
- Our Hearth art WHR, I think was made when the southern Emerald Seas experienced a great Glacier March the last time.
- Old Weilu also like our moon arts, which we have a lot
- Think the Phantasmal Revel(Dream), EPC, SSC, etc.
- Old Weilu also like our phantasmal Beast Army technique, I think.
- Our Talon-Technique invokes the Image of the Beast Gods, specifically of a Bird
- Maybe The Bird-Beastgod had cultural influence in the mountains? Highly speculative, I admit.
- Winterlady definitely recognizes our FSS Technique
- We should definitely play up our connection to the [Winter Muse/ Songstress of Endings/...] Zequing
- Play up connection with Zequing for diplomatic leverage
- Open diplomatic channel, since she definitely wants to get to know LQ as a person
- Do not threaten person who can casually shove Zhengui away, since we don´t need more enemies right now
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- He
Anyone fancy going through the text and putting together a rough list of how many hostiles are left?
I think.... only that one poor doomed barb died in the 0.789 seconds of time passing the update was.
So I have a new criticism of this, why are we promising to give away our story for mere neutrality. When we bargain we are supposed to get something in exchange. Having them run away rather than fight is nice, but not nearly as nice as helping us.
Furthermore its better to establish a relationship with mutual aid. We can better sell more future Collaboration with White Sky if our first encounter is them helping the empire, rather than cowardly running away.
This concept is too complicated and would take too long. It's also unnecessary since she already knows we're connected to something like Zeqing, even if she doesn't know what exactly, and wouldn't know Zeqing specifically since its not like the ice women from beyond the wall have ever visited the sect mountain. We can easily leave that story for later without it costing us anything, and adding it now only adds a chance to cause problems.
NoxOfUmbra
Shadow of the night
- Location
- Colombia, South América
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
[] Tell her politely to leave, if she's so interested in you, you can talk at a later time.
Did a modification to @FakePriest write in, to make it a little more friendly and try to not piss the g8 lady
Did a modification to @FakePriest write in, to make it a little more friendly and try to not piss the g8 lady
- Location
- Colorado
We have no authority to get her treated as a diplomat. Like if we want to divide and conquer and then get her captured, sure, but lets not pretend our fellow imperials will see her as anything other than another barbarian.
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
Are you ignoring the bit where I said we should use metaphor-to-commitcare via music and, put in the bit where we put [intent: "...."] ?
We need to keep Ling Qi's communication simple. We do not need to be laconic in our communication with the QM.
I am intensely aware that the concepts we need to get Ling Qi to try and communicate are broad and lack nuance. We do not (as players) however have to make write ins four words long, and hope that the QM psychically gleams what we want.
Basically; I think that your response means that I have failed to communicate my intent to the thread (or at least you, fellow threadgoer), as what you are saying is correct, but not addressing what I was getting at with my post.
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Looks like my concerns were largely off base. Ling Qi was able to reach out and smack people in the middle to keep them interested in her. I'm a bit surprised the Eagle had the range, given it's all Closes in the art. And there's decent odds we downed that barbarian with C rank damage? If it was at Far range, which you'd expect of an archer and after we'd fully retreated to the caldera wall and with no mention of our beast swarm attacking those guys, that's how much CtE does, albeit while ignoring armor. Poor guy was hurting.
Was right Ling Qi was more or less locked to her position the whole time though.
Was right Ling Qi was more or less locked to her position the whole time though.
[] Sing about Zeqing as we knew her.
This does a few things:
1. It tells her about where we got our arts and what they mean to us.
2. It tells her that family is extremely important to us.
3. That sticking around the Imperials is a very bad idea.
This does a few things:
1. It tells her about where we got our arts and what they mean to us.
2. It tells her that family is extremely important to us.
3. That sticking around the Imperials is a very bad idea.
Wasn't she just overruled by the people in charge of the sect?
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
yer off to the Colosseum to be eaten by the lions[1] to subside the bloodlust of the oppressed plebeians of our empire!
[1] I think it was lions? Or maybe it was just 'execute'?