Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Theres one other thing that might pose difficulty for her.

An explicit part of the Silver breakthrough is healing all cumulative injuries that the body has experienced and returning it to a pristine(excepting inpurity) state.

For Ling Qi that was a poorly healed broken leg and miscellaneous bumps and bruises.

For her Mom that'll be quite a bit more.
Thats actually why I considered Green to be fairly attainable given resources and time. Qingge's main issues stem from her age being twice the 'normal' age for the bracket, and the cumulative damage to her body. Breaking through to Yellow(which is mathematically inevitable) would solve both issues, her cumulative mortal damages would be gone and for her age...remember the Peak Yellow scout we were on mission with?

He's looking to breakthrough in his second century, with much more limited resources and does not seem to be in any doubt about succeeding eventually, so being 30-50 years old by then wouldn't be as major an obstacle as being 30 years old is for a Red.
I think that we're all both vastly underestimating how long Red and Yellow are going to take and overestimating how difficult it will be to reach Green (assuming no crippling injuries).

Now my 'calculations' are based on all of 1 data point on Ling Qingge's side and how fast we awakened comparatively, and they're already at least slightly off if she didn't reach Gold body last turn, but until we actually get that second data point this is the best I can guess.

IIRC we're supposed to spend 2 years in the inner sect, I expect her to be just barely reaching Mid Red soul and Mid Gold body around then.

After that we've got 8 years of service in CRX's fief. I expect her to breakthrough to the second realm about 3 years into that. By the end of our service in CRX's fief she should be reaching Late Yellow/Late Silver

Biyu is 4 now, so 3-4 years after that she'll be going to the Sect, assuming nothing province shaking happens before then. By then Qingge might be reaching Peak Yellow if she follows a cultivation pattern similar to ours, which is a big if.

And that would lead to a third realm breakthrough about 15 years after starting her cultivation. Now all of this assumes that she follows a path longer but roughly proportionate to ours and that breakthroughs just take a whole lot more time and pain but don't go bad and cripple her, so take this with a fistful of salt.

About the only thing I can say with confidence is that I absolutely do not expect Qingge to breakthrough to Yellow before we leave the sect based on her progress so far.
Keeping in mind that Qingge's progress actually points to Talent on par with Ling Qi in her youth. She's working through a big age/injury debuff, but said debuff falls off as she cultivates.

And crucially, the higher she cultivates the more things wealth can do for her. Reds have very limited arrays of drugs they can use, but they're there and we can basically put her on max drugs without anything we'd notice as more than a rounding error from our Green budget.

She makes Yellow and we'd actually need to start making decisions about how much wealth to sink into her, seeing as we probably can't afford max Sable Light Pills and their peers for her without actually doing noticable damage to our own cultivating budget.
For the matter, by Yellow Suyin's impurity remover project might actually be useful...
Zhengui can go be the harem protagonist.
I'm still unsure if i want any romance for Ling Qi.
Depends on how the story goes i guess.
Zhengui can handle it. He's very durable.
Though I don't think he'd notice the fuss at all, since last I recall Xuanwu have similar interest levels to giant pandas.
Maybe the Domain gets its version of hit points?
I believe at that point the domain hp is basically a seperate set of our own hp no?
 
Keeping in mind that Qingge's progress actually points to Talent on par with Ling Qi in her youth. She's working through a big age/injury debuff, but said debuff falls off as she cultivates.

I am sure that she had decent talent being the mother to two daughters with good talent but I doubt that it was on par with Ling Qi in her youth. She likely would have been head hunted as one of her clan's few cultivators or by the Ministry of Integrity if that was the case, plus Qi has always been able to hear the whispers of spirits and when we introduced Zhengui to the family Biyu was the only one able to hear anything implying that she has talent and that Qingge does not to the same degree. It could be argued that she lost this ability due to age but she seemed surprised when Biyu mentioned that she could almost hear Zhengui, implying that she had never had this ability in the first place.
 
Could be instead she was surprised Biyu could hear a spirit period since before they arrived at the sect she was 3 and also has good talent.

As for Qingge it might be the degradation in her dantien also took away her ability to hear spirits if she had it in the first place,
and I don't think there was a time she ever cultivated till recently which is a double oof for spirit listening.
 
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Thats actually why I considered Green to be fairly attainable given resources and time. Qingge's main issues stem from her age being twice the 'normal' age for the bracket, and the cumulative damage to her body. Breaking through to Yellow(which is mathematically inevitable) would solve both issues, her cumulative mortal damages would be gone and for her age...remember the Peak Yellow scout we were on mission with?

He's looking to breakthrough in his second century, with much more limited resources and does not seem to be in any doubt about succeeding eventually, so being 30-50 years old by then wouldn't be as major an obstacle as being 30 years old is for a Red.

Keeping in mind that Qingge's progress actually points to Talent on par with Ling Qi in her youth. She's working through a big age/injury debuff, but said debuff falls off as she cultivates.

And crucially, the higher she cultivates the more things wealth can do for her. Reds have very limited arrays of drugs they can use, but they're there and we can basically put her on max drugs without anything we'd notice as more than a rounding error from our Green budget.

She makes Yellow and we'd actually need to start making decisions about how much wealth to sink into her, seeing as we probably can't afford max Sable Light Pills and their peers for her without actually doing noticable damage to our own cultivating budget.
For the matter, by Yellow Suyin's impurity remover project might actually be useful...
I mean I mostly agree with you even if my breakthrough math was, in hindsight, hilariously optimistic. I still believe it is solidly within her means to reach the third realm in her lifetime, if she wants to.

I just think there isn't a single solitary chance in hell she makes it to Yellow or Silver before we leave the sect. I know we breezed through the first 2 realms almost effortlessly, but it took her about 19 weeks/5 months just to awaken, she's going to be in the first realm for a good few years. By the time she's 2nd realm we're going to be 4th realm unless something has gone horribly wrong, she's not going to be meaningfully impacting our clan's resources until/unless she makes it to 3rd realm.
 
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Thats actually why I considered Green to be fairly attainable given resources and time. Qingge's main issues stem from her age being twice the 'normal' age for the bracket, and the cumulative damage to her body. Breaking through to Yellow(which is mathematically inevitable) would solve both issues, her cumulative mortal damages would be gone and for her age...remember the Peak Yellow scout we were on mission with?

He's looking to breakthrough in his second century, with much more limited resources and does not seem to be in any doubt about succeeding eventually, so being 30-50 years old by then wouldn't be as major an obstacle as being 30 years old is for a Red.

Keeping in mind that Qingge's progress actually points to Talent on par with Ling Qi in her youth. She's working through a big age/injury debuff, but said debuff falls off as she cultivates.

And crucially, the higher she cultivates the more things wealth can do for her. Reds have very limited arrays of drugs they can use, but they're there and we can basically put her on max drugs without anything we'd notice as more than a rounding error from our Green budget.

She makes Yellow and we'd actually need to start making decisions about how much wealth to sink into her, seeing as we probably can't afford max Sable Light Pills and their peers for her without actually doing noticable damage to our own cultivating budget.
For the matter, by Yellow Suyin's impurity remover project might actually be useful...

Zhengui can handle it. He's very durable.
Though I don't think he'd notice the fuss at all, since last I recall Xuanwu have similar interest levels to giant pandas.

I believe at that point the domain hp is basically a seperate set of our own hp no?
There's an issue to keep in mind when making these sorts of predictions. We don't know if a mortal who breaks through to red/gold at thirty is equivalent to a cultivator who broke though at 13 and then aged to 30 naturally or if they're closer to a cultivator who broke through at 13 then aged to 2/5th of their overall lifespan (50ish probably). (Also there's a question of whether the years before 13ish matter for these purposes.) The size of the age debuff varies a lot based on that question, and we don't really have any information on it yet.
 
I don't see how Qingge could have had talent on par with Ling Qi without someone noticing. Given what we know of her family and the clan they served I can't imagine that they would have let her leave if she had that much potential. If she was talented enough to be hearing spirits regularly surely someone would have noticed, since her family serves cultivators so there would probably be some contact with spirits. And even if she was just missed for some reason, a highly talented individual with reason to hold a grudge against the existing power structure is the exact sort of thing the Ministry of Integrity looks out for.

I also think that she may have a lot harder of a time reaching and progressing through Yellow than people are saying. My understanding is that early cultivation is mainly focused on removing impurities, which build up in a mortal over time, and not just healing injuries. I would expect then that starting later means Qinnge would have to work harder to progress through each level even if she had the same talent as Ling Qi. I don't think the peak Yellow scout is a good comparison because they presumably began cultivating at the normal age, so didn't have impurities building up to handicap them. If that could easily be overcome through money/drugs it wouldn't be sensible for ducal clans to start so young, as that runs the risk of immaturity causing them to pick a Way that is untenable long term.
 
I don't see how Qingge could have had talent on par with Ling Qi without someone noticing. Given what we know of her family and the clan they served I can't imagine that they would have let her leave if she had that much potential. If she was talented enough to be hearing spirits regularly surely someone would have noticed, since her family serves cultivators so there would probably be some contact with spirits. And even if she was just missed for some reason, a highly talented individual with reason to hold a grudge against the existing power structure is the exact sort of thing the Ministry of Integrity looks out for.

I also think that she may have a lot harder of a time reaching and progressing through Yellow than people are saying. My understanding is that early cultivation is mainly focused on removing impurities, which build up in a mortal over time, and not just healing injuries. I would expect then that starting later means Qinnge would have to work harder to progress through each level even if she had the same talent as Ling Qi. I don't think the peak Yellow scout is a good comparison because they presumably began cultivating at the normal age, so didn't have impurities building up to handicap them. If that could easily be overcome through money/drugs it wouldn't be sensible for ducal clans to start so young, as that runs the risk of immaturity causing them to pick a Way that is untenable long term.
Main issues with that is:
-The ministry of integrity does not test for talent within clans. Clan talent testing is their internal business. Lesser clans do not actually have the means to test beyond handing them some stones to cultivate, and when your Patriarch is a Yellow...theres decent odds that they'd ONLY test people they know to be beholden to them.

-Ling Qi only heard spirits because she was a street child in a city with poorly maintained wards. Biyu never noticed spirits until she met Zhengui. Qingge never ventured into places with spirits until late in adulthood. Anywhere with halfway decent wards like a clan compound would have no spirits except the partners of Yellows
 
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I was thinking more that as part of a family that serves cultivators, Qingge could have easily come near to a spirit beast or object spirit and overheard it Just a childish comment like Biyu made could have clued someone in. Granted this would be pure chance, so she could have been missed pretty easily.

With regards to the Ministry of Integrity, however, I was under the impression that they found people through divination. As in, Ling Qi wasn't brought in and tested where they determined she had talent. Rather, their divination told them that there was a highly talented individual that had fallen through the cracks so they went to find her. I don't see why that wouldn't have applied to Qingge if she was so talented, regardless of her background, once she had been disowned.
 
It might be that there is a talent cutoff (talent 5 perhaps?) in regards to hearing lesser spirits while within the wards and that the Ministry somehow makes use of that aspect of talent to search out mortals. If so Ling Qingge might not have met the talent threshold to hear warded spirits. In fact this might be a simple way that lesser clans discover talented members.
 
I was thinking more that as part of a family that serves cultivators, Qingge could have easily come near to a spirit beast or object spirit and overheard it Just a childish comment like Biyu made could have clued someone in. Granted this would be pure chance, so she could have been missed pretty easily.

With regards to the Ministry of Integrity, however, I was under the impression that they found people through divination. As in, Ling Qi wasn't brought in and tested where they determined she had talent. Rather, their divination told them that there was a highly talented individual that had fallen through the cracks so they went to find her. I don't see why that wouldn't have applied to Qingge if she was so talented, regardless of her background, once she had been disowned.
Or clans have anti-divination wards as a matter of course.
 
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At green 6 will ling qi domain weapon stop being fisical and become a complete spiritual part of the domain ?
Will stop having hit points?
Based on the following from Snake and Spider 2 and assuming Qingling is Domain B:
She had long since given up on severing them all, the twin needles of carved red jade which were the girl's own weapon spun them faster than they could be destroyed, and the weapons themselves were nigh indestructible to her, the benefit of integration.
They don't stop being physical, and they still have hitpoints, but they gain so many that they become effectively indestructible to weaker cultivators.
 
I would argue that "harem" innately involves incredible power disparity with blurred consent/duress issues.

While it's absolutely possible to have moral consensual polygamy, you're probably not looking at an asymetric 1:7 ratio.
I'd use "could we make it a harem?" in fictional context meaning "a functional polyamory relationship without expectation of monogamy from other partners", just with a punchy / in-genre jokey name.

Might just be me, but... The thread sentiment on that kind of harem seems to be unanimous enough that I'd assume anyone bringing up harem would mean the sane version.
 
I was thinking more that as part of a family that serves cultivators, Qingge could have easily come near to a spirit beast or object spirit and overheard it Just a childish comment like Biyu made could have clued someone in. Granted this would be pure chance, so she could have been missed pretty easily.
The most powerful cultivator in the family is the centuries old Yellow patriarch. The minimum to bind spirits is Yellow. Most of the clan are mortals and Reds

If theres bound spirits or talisman spirits in the clan theres only one person who'd be able to have them at all, and a less favored member might never spend any time in the same room as them
 
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The most powerful cultivator in the family is the centuries old Yellow patriarch. The minimum to bind spirits is Yellow. Most of the clan are mortals and Reds

If theres bound spirits or talisman spirits in the clan theres only one person who'd be able to have them at all, and a less favored member might never spend any time in the same room as them
Yeah, that's fair enough. I had been thinking that as servants of a noble clan she might have been near enough to their spirits to have overheard them or something, but it is a long shot. It still doesn't explain how the Ministry of Integrity would have missed a Talent 7 mortal slumming it in a brothel though. It's one of their main jobs to keep an eye out for that sort of thing.
 
doesn't explain how the Ministry of Integrity would have missed a Talent 7 mortal slumming it in a brothel though. It's one of their main jobs to keep an eye out for that sort of thing.
By that point, I would assume she was already too old or she was just unlucky and missed the Ministry agent.

Also we cannot rule out clan meddling. After all, it did seem like Ling Quingge was still under some sort of surveilance for some time after her entry into the brothel.
 
It still doesn't explain how the Ministry of Integrity would have missed a Talent 7 mortal slumming it in a brothel though. It's one of their main jobs to keep an eye out for that sort of thing.
Where did you get that number from? We don't know what talent anyone else has. There is no way really to know what level of talent our mother did or did not have.
 
I thought that Ling Qi was talent 7? The post I was responding to claimed Qingge had likely been on par with Ling Qi when younger.
Ling Qi is Talent 6.

It's possible that her mom was at ~talent 5.6 and the cutoff for the Ministry of Integrity definitely picking you up is at 5.8 or something.
 
I thought that Ling Qi was talent 7? The post I was responding to claimed Qingge had likely been on par with Ling Qi when younger.
Talent 6. Ling Qi is fairly talented, but not earthshaking. She makes it up with high luck, tough work ethic and head demons armed with the dread sorcery of Excel.

The Ministry only checks people in the ideal cultivating age range, so they'd be checking children and teens. Qingge was either at or past that limit by the time she ran away from home, considering she got pregnant shortly after.
Anyone older than 16-18 don't need to be checkdd. The age debuff will deal with them
 
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I thought that Ling Qi was talent 7? The post I was responding to claimed Qingge had likely been on par with Ling Qi when younger.
Pretty sure Ling Qi is talent 6 and I strongly disagree with veekie's assumption. There is simply no evidence what talent Qingge had, nor any evidence that damage to talent through not cultivating can be reversed by cultivating. The only thing in story we have is that her cultivation is no longer in danger of reversing. The state of your dantian surely helps in cultivation, but I don't believe there has been any connections between the stability of your dantain and your actual talent.

This all seems like some wild speculation and I don't think anyone knows the answer to: What talent does Qingge have. There is a likely zone of talent but beyond guessing an upper and lower bounds I don't think there is much more we can do. Certainly not to the point of guessing decimal points.
 
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