Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I think a lot of people are voting based around the idea that, as a meta-quest structure, if we vote for Su Ling invitation she'll be coming even if she isn't ready. I'm not certain of that, and I agree that it's paternalistic to not even give the option.

However! I think that it's okay for the vote to be somewhat unclear and for LQ to keep portraying her(our) vote decisions as guarantees until she comes to a better understanding and empathetic understanding of other people's decision making and how you can phrase offers in a way that doesn't sound like an Obligation for the person to indulge in
Thats a very good point. I think we'll get more options or options that are worded with more nuance once we up LQ's empathy so she can actually offer people more than just 2 choices. I mean, I know that we've gotten more than 2 in votes before but I'm talking about it happening more frequently especially in social situations.
 
[X] Invite Su Ling to the training group. As the co-organizer, inviting a few close friends was allowed.

I really don't get the argument that it's too early... She can make that decision for herself. Making that decision for her, especially without even letting her know about it, is extremely paternalistic and strikes me as liable to hurt LX's relationship with her in the future.
Su Ling has had mixed feelings about being/getting into the Inner Sect, has zero interest in nobles or their social games, and has numerous times asked us to not "do things" for them. It's not paternalistic to not give an invite to an event a person has expressed disdain for in the past. You are doing the opposite, you are doing what they asked.

Maybe after Su Ling's had some time in the Inner Sect where it is not all Lord of the Flies babbies first warlord simulator and meet some other people we can invite her. That's all assuming the party isn't filled with a bunch of young master/mistress types whom Su Ling would react like anti matter to.
 
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It is just the way quests are structured, if the option is given 99% of the time it means the characters will act in a way that satisfies the vote.
I do see that perspective, but that would also seem problematic in a quest where the development of social skills and building of relationships is a distinct aspect, and a dangerous mindset in answering a question that is clearly related to the building of a relationship. Especially when there have been aspects of the story where her paternalistic decision making for those in her circle have created lasting issues.
 
[X] Hold off, Let Su Ling settle into the Inner Sect for longer before springing new social groups on her.

Su Ling isn't as combat focused as the people in this group seem to be. Taking the vote at face value, it just doesn't make sense for here to get involved with this project. She can make her own social connections with other crafters and uplifted commoners who she would have more in common with, and it would be a better use of her time. Ling Qi would benefit from indirect connections like that as well, she doesn't need all of her friends to be friends with each other.
 
It is just the way quests are structured, if the option is given 99% of the time it means the characters will act in a way that satisfies the vote.
But I want characters to be more than simply a prop for the MC.
They should have choices of their own.
And with that make the world feel alive.

We have seen this in all characters so far, which is really what makes this quest so much fun.
LanLan and her near suicidal drive to not get left behind.
Meizhen's unrequited feelings.
Han Jian struggling with keeping his group together.
Renshu always feeling betrayed.
etcetc.
 
But I want characters to be more than simply a prop for the MC.
They should have choices of their own.
And with that make the world feel alive.

We have seen this in all characters so far, which is really what makes this quest so much fun.
LanLan and her near suicidal drive to not get left behind.
Meizhen's unrequited feelings.
Han Jian struggling with keeping his group together.
Renshu always feeling betrayed.
etcetc.
Yeah I'm not denying that its like that in general. I'm just saying that in this case, because of the quest format, the voters are basically deciding for Su Ling. 'Cause as Apocalyptic Loon said earlier, if an option is given the characters involved will almost always act in a way that satisfies the vote. I was under the impression that questing is like that in general actually...
 
But I want characters to be more than simply a prop for the MC.
They should have choices of their own.
And with that make the world feel alive.

We have seen this in all characters so far, which is really what makes this quest so much fun.
LanLan and her near suicidal drive to not get left behind.
Meizhen's unrequited feelings.
Han Jian struggling with keeping his group together.
Renshu always feeling betrayed.
etcetc.
Yeah I'm not denying that its like that in general. I'm just saying that in this case, because of the quest format, the voters are basically deciding for Su Ling. 'Cause as Apocalyptic Loon said earlier, if an option is given the characters involved will almost always act in a way that satisfies the vote. I was under the impression that questing is like that in general actually...

Yeah, I'm not saying the characters in the quest aren't their own people, cause they are. Honestly, that is my favourite part of this quest, I've always felt the characters were making their own decisions. But that doesn't change the fact that this is a quest and there are certain weaknesses and strengths that come naturally with writing in this format. This is one of them. It would likely be different if this was a big decision, but all told this is a pretty minor vote and it would be pretty odd for the QM to offer the option and then back out. Like Lena said, this is just part of participating in a quest.
 
Not to mention that it would be a bit annoying if we were two options and both had the same result save for one or two sentences.
 
So far, the only choice I distinctly recall where thre was a chance that inviting someone did not pan out is when LQ got greedy and tried to invite both Meizhen AND Sun Liling to live with us. And even that was not a hard no, it all came down to a dice roll, which we lost.

Also, we've had chances to vote for things like "Ji Rong approaches us during our interaction with our spirits".

So, in this particular choice, it's either Su Ling comes to the meeting, and we're gambling on whether she'll be happy or unhappy about it, or she doesn't, and we don't take such gamble. That's how I see it at least.

Also, we have not seen so far cases of things like:

>Players vote to spend time with X

Update: "As Ling Qi prepares to go see X, character Y shows up and convinces her to spend time with him/her instead."
 
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There were a number of votes during the mission about tactical approaches. We weren't the one IC making those decisions, Guan Zhi was. But OOC, quester votes 100% guided the decisions about which path to take, which point to assault, etc., even though in theory Guan Zhi could have rejected Ling Qi's arguments. Therefore, I think it's disingenuous to argue "oh she won't come if she thinks it's a bad idea"; if we vote for it, she'll come.

On the meta quest-design level, I think this is fine. We can exercise character and narrative agency during votes, but can't on stuff that never gets put up to a vote (like Lakegate or Xiulan's tribulation).
 
The Ling-Ling dynamic is friendly but still kind of awkward (because they are awkward people), so my main concern with the invitation would be that Su Ling would take it as an implicit vouching-for the individual people involved (because Ling Qi has openly admitted that she's been making it up as she goes along, so she sympathizes with social difficulties, and her past attempt to pull Su Ling into a noble social group ended badly), while Ling Qi is more likely to think of any impending difficulties as just a default (because social is haaaaaaaaard, ugh, and Su Ling obviously sympathizes with that sentiment). And despite these assumptions being directly opposing, they're both grounded in what the other person has said to them, and neither of them is likely to Use Their Words to a degree that will make the gap clear.

So on those grounds alone, not too much reason for optimism there.
 
Snake and Spider Part 2
The training field was unrecognizable.

It had begun as an artificial cavern, with a high ceiling and uneven scalloped floor, full of columns and other stone growths to obstruct combatants. Now sizzling acid pooled in the pockmarked floor, and glittering crystalline webbing had consumed the ceiling. Hanging prismatic sheets and nets obscured above, and rising clouds of toxic mist mingled with dissolved minerals clouded below.

Bai Meizhen advanced, liquid coils noiselessly parting the acidic pool below. In her hand, the ribbons of her blade shifted restlessly, filling the cavern with their metallic hiss.

She was having fun.

Out of the corner of her eye, she caught the quiver of a crystal thread, and a twitch of her hand had ribbon blades lashing out to intercept the gleaming silver needles which erupted through the pouring acid rain. The high ring of metal on metal sounded, and needles scattered, burning finger thick holes through already pockmarked stone columns to impact the walls. Her tail lashed out, and smashed apart the figure dangling from the threads. Another decoy, already falling apart into shredded webbing, where…

Bai Meizhen raised her empty left hand, and caught the tines of Bao Qingling's tigerclaw blades on her forearm. The force of the blow sent a ripple through her Mantle, and the the sizzling liquid pool beneath exploded backward at the sudden pressure, cracking the stone beneath. For a single moment, she met the girls dark eyes as her arm trembled with the effort of holding back the girl's superior strength.

Bao Qingling parted her lips, and spat a glimmering needle of black jade. Bai Meizhen jerked her head to the side as the jet black missile cut through her mantle and scored her cheek. Pain spread from the wound, burning hot.

How fast did her heart beat.

With a skirling cry, ribbons lashed out, and Bao Qingling danced backward, balanced upon a nigh invisible thread, her arms blurring as she batted away the reaching blades of venomous steel. Though Bai Meizhen's burning rain fell upon her, it affected her no more than mundane water, weighting her heavy clothing and soaking her hair.

It seemed that her companion's project truly was a success.

Bai Meizhen smiled, and a thunderclap split the air as her flying sword shot from the shadows, trailing rings of broken air. Bao Qingling let out a frustrated hiss through her teeth as she fell to the side, clinging to her thread by the bottom of her feet wet hair dangling down as she scurried backward, prismatic light gleamed, and the other girl vanished, reappearing crouched upon a thread further into the cavern. She had long since given up on severing them all, the twin needles of carved red jade which were the girl's own weapon spun them faster than they could be destroyed, and the weapons themselves were nigh indestructible to her, the benefit of integration.

Bai Meizhen advanced, threads snapped beneath the bulk of her coils, and a score of arrays spun in thread flared, raining down silvery needles. The air howled as her ribbon blades batted them away by the dozen. More still impacted her mantle in clouds of sizzling spray and steam. Half score she caught and flung away, their venom doing little more than making her skin itch.

The rain ended, and she stood tall. Such was the way of a Bai, implacable, unmoved, imperious.

But Bao Qingling was gone again, vanishing back into her nest of webs.

Bai Meizhen advanced, with confirmation that her venomous rain would avail her not, she pulled back on the qi invested, and burning clouds and sizzling liquid alike spiraled down to shroud her ribbon blades. Flicking her wrist, meters long lashes carved their way through the cavern, ripping trenches in stone and snapping threads. Bai meizhen peered into the nest of snapped and ruined webbing. There, a decoy, and there another, and there… Bai Meizhen shrouded herself in a sphere of black water as crystal spikes erupted from the ground, blooming fractally with hundreds of spikes. Her tail lashed out, shattering them and launching her forward, to where Bao Qingling even now crouched, ready against the far wall. Bai Meizhen's smile grew. She wanted to clash again, to feel Bao Qingling's breath on her face, to…

She felt a pressure, and then a snap. At her waist, the torn ends of a single invisible thread curled away, crumbling into nothing. All around her, explosive arrays woven from crystal thread flared.

...Perhaps she had been a touch arrogant.
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The cavern rocked with the roar of the explosion. Let it not be said that the Bao clan library was useless to her. Millenia of experience in mining had led to a library of some of the most advanced blasting formations in the empire. Some would call it crude, but to Bao Qingling, transforming the chaotic undirected power of an explosion into something shaped and controlled could only be called art. She smiled thinly as she felt the ripple of surprise pass through the other girl's qi. For any other disciple two steps beneath her, eight Mantle Piercer charges would have been wasteful and excessive.

However, she was facing a Bai. To hold back was to lose.

Bai Qingling clung to her thread as the rush of waste heat flash dried her clothing and hair, and vaporized more than two thirds of her web. She felt the rush of air rising from molten stone of the deep crater, twelve meters deep exactly, carved by the blast. Force gathered in her legs, earthen qi resonating through her remaining threads. Stone splintered, and then crumbled to powder as she launched herself down into the cloud of scalding steam. A mass of pale white waited for her there, ragged tatters of water qi, cool even now, clinging to her frame. Nearly unharmed by the blast itself, as expected given previous observations. The hairs on the back of her neck rose as the ribbons shifted, and crystal threads erupted from her clawed gloves, shielding her with crystal silk. It wouldn't last more than a single blow, but it didn't need to.

The points of her claws impacted Bai Meizhen's throat in a spray of water, and the force of her charge slammed the girl backwards. Into the side of the crater she flew, and molten rock splashed outward, solid stone behind that cracked as well, and only then did her foe let out a gasp of pain. Bao Qingling felt her blades prick flesh. She twisted her wrist, letting her hand impart the rest of the force. Her feet finally touched the ground, and she loomed over the other girl, breathing heavily. This close, she could see Bai Meizhen clearly, even with her reduced acuity. Droplets of burning stone clung to her gown and hair, sizzling faintly. She too was breathing heavily, her golden eyes wide.

Bao Qingling could feel her heartbeat. It was irregular. For a moment, concern that she had done serious harm skittered across her thoughts. No, she recalled, the oddity was just the three chambered heart of a true blooded Bai in action. She was fine, mild burns, constricted and bruised windpipe, low blood toxicity and abrasions, depleted qi, only light rest required.

The pale girl's lips parted. It was strangely fascinating. "I yield."

Bao Qingling blinked, and then stiffened, pulling her face away from Bai Meizhen's. Irritating, she was not a child to get lost on the roads of thought. She withdrew her hand from Bai Meizhen's throat and straightened up, stepping back. "Accepted," she said crisply.

The girl grimaced, prying herself out of the crying crater of liquid stone with a grimace. "Your project has been a complete success it seems. My congratulations."

Bao Qingling fingered the silken sleeve of her tunic. It had held up remarkably well, and the processed threads fed into her domain weapon even more so. Their resilience against toxins and corrosive qi was impressive. "Offensive use still requires testing."

"Of course, but for that, you shall need other subjects," Bai Meizhen said, brushing fingers through her own hair. "My own advantages would rather ruin the experiment."

Beast testing, or she would have to offer points to an outer sect student. She would decide on that later. Bao Qingling regarded Bai Meizhen silently, noting the discomfort radiating through her aura. "There are solutions for the removal of dried stone from hair. I have no objections to lending you a vial."

"Are there? It is not something which has come up before," Bai Meizhen replied. "I would be thankful."

Bao Qingling nodded sharply, turning to head for the exit. "It is useful, I keep it with my hygiene items, so we will need to return to my workshop. Unless you wish me to bring it to you."

She still did not understand Bai Meizhen, The bai scion's actions remained confusing, and her goals mysterious. Her assistance had shaved months off of the project however, and at this point, she no longer begrudged the girl for the favor she would no doubt ask in the future.

"I do not mind being your guest, if you will have me," Bai Meizhen replied serenely. Her heartbeat was still a touch faster than mere exertion would indicate. It was not in line with her normal pattern either. "Although, perhaps…"

Bao Qingling turned her head to 'look' at her. Uncertainty, that was unusual for her. Was that favor coming more quickly than she had thought. What could she possibly intend to ask that she was uncertain of. Bao Qingling felt cold. If…

"Would you care to come out with me for a tea, after we have cleaned up?" Bai Meizhen asked, cutting off her thoughts at the root.

Bao Qingling nearly missed a step. Nonsensical. Completely nonsensical. She suspected the other girl was deliberately sowing confusion. She could not, even with the most robust of mental contortions, call that a favor. Even then, she was not going to be so rude as to refuse. "...Acceptable."

Bai Meizhen was pleased at the answer, she could tell that much as they stepped through the partially melted entrance of the training ground. However, Bao Qingling was not. How could she be pleased, when the assistance given to her was being valued so lowly?

"After, I would have you look through my project pieces. I will customize one for you," Bao Qingling said shortly. Looking ahead.

"You need not-" Bai Meizhen began.

"I want to," she replied. Doing less was unacceptable. A Bao did not accept charity.

"...Very well. I am sure it will be lovely," Bai Meizhen said serenely. She seemed terribly pleased with herself. A deliberate manipulation?

Bao Qingling could not quite bring herself to care.

AN: Heyo guys, here's another in the little line of meizhen sidestories I'm working on.
 
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Bai Qingling clung to her thread as the rush of waste heat flash dried her clothing and hair, and vaporized more than two thirds of her web. She felt the rush of air rising from molten stone of the deep crater, twelve meters deep exactly, carved by the blast.
Bai Qingling fingered the silken sleeve of her tunic. It had held up remarkably well, and the processed threads fed into her domain weapon even more so. Their resilience against toxins and corrosive qi was impressive. "Offensive use still requires testing."
I think these should be Bao. To be more specific in getting you to change the typos.
 
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