Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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See, that's the thing I'm not seeing. Cai Renxiang wants us as her retainer for our abilities - namely, our spy/thief abilities and our diplomat/musician abilities. That's not "managing the fief" abilities. She's bringing us up to bare minimum competence, yes. Making us into a manager, absolutely not lmao.

What choices we have will likely only be a choice because of intrigue/political implications making it a meaningful choice for Ling Qi, not just "do what's best, professional who's handling this and knows better than I do".
This is a little complicated, honestly.

Cai Renxiang is being directed to recruit her own, personally loyal support network of subordinates. In all frames of time, cultivation strength and personal skillsets matter. But in the medium-to-long term, the economic and structural success of our clan under our leadership is absolutely vital to the core reason Cai Renxiang recruited us.

If we don't manage to administrate our foundling clan lands at a much higher level of success than the average new baron backed by a high noble patrons, we'll be failing our purpose to Cai Renxiang.

Political legitimacy is tied to history, strength of arms, connections, stability, wealth, and economic capacity. As a new clan, with only one real cultivator to our name, we're at a disadvantage in every one of these categories. As a single cultivator, it's strength of arms and political networking that we can most advance on our own. Everything else, and those two too, relies on the performance of our clan as shepherds of territory and populace.

Our real job long-term job, behind any task of the day we're assigned, is to contribute what political legitimacy we gather for ourselves to Cai Renxiang's merits and political support. Towards that end, it's important for us to do a good job administrating our lands. It helps to be seen as personally doing so, to maximize the legitimacy and perceived reliability of our young clan in the coming years and generations. Yeah, we're going to be delegating things, but we still need to be on top of them. Especially considering we're the person likely to be negotiating trade deals with other clans.
 
Servant's Pride part 2
Han Fang breathed out, and thunder rolled out.

He could feel the frisson of power running through the air, feel the charge in every invisible droplet of moisture, and the coolness of the wisps of stormcloud gathering about his shoulders like a cloak. He could feel the movements of every twig and blade of grass, every crawling thing in the dirt, and every bird in the sky, by the minute current of heavenly energy that coursed through all living things. And, if he pulsed his qi in just the right way, he could disrupt it.

He had finally mastered the first stage of an art of the third realm, with the Echoing Heavenly Current technique, he could once again call himself worthy to be Han Jian's eyes on the shadows. He would not be helpless or caught unawares again.

It had taken nearly nine months of his second year, but he was finally keeping up with Han Jian again. Han Fang felt something on the edge of his senses then. As if summoned by his thoughts, Han Jian was here, walking up the winding path to the training ground. He was not alone. He could feel Fan Yu as well, stolid and solid, but… diminished from how he had been. With the clarity of his new arts, that was all the more clear.

"...Try to focus on the positives, Yu, you actually made some progress on your latest attempt, right?"

"Barely," the other boy's voice was bitter, but he had lost the combative bluster that would have once marked such words. "What is even the point? My failures have already lost me everything. Father is not even going to send one of my Elder Brothers to observe the tournament."

In the field far above them, Han Fang grimaced. The news of his engagement being broken had shattered what little remained of Fan Yu's determination. His family's growing coldness in their correspondence had done the rest.

Han Fang felt for Fan Yu, no matter how abrasive he was. His situation struck far too close to Han Fang's own fears. That he would fail to live up to the honor he had been given, that he would lose the name he had been gifted, and be left behind. He knew all too well that the great majority of the Han family regarded his adoption with irritation.

There were only so many resources to go around after all, each pill, elixir and stone he received was one which another scion was not.

"That's not true Yu, it's not like reaching third realm at sixteen or seventeen isn't still impressive," Han Jian said comfortingly. "And you'll get there, you'll have to work for it but…"

"Do not coddle me Jian," Yu said. "Your kind words only make things worse. I have built my own failure."

"And you can build your own success," Jian insisted. "Yu, I… won't baby you, you've always had trouble with getting discouraged easily. But I know you can come back from this. It's not like you're being cast out from your clan."

"Hmph," Fan Yu grunted. "It seems that even you can run out of soft words, Jian. I will leave you to your cousin. I should… cultivate."

Han Fang withdrew his senses back to the field. He knew that his breakthrough had only made fan Yu feel worse, and the other boy had begun to openly avoid him. However, he could not regret his own success.

He opened his eyes and blinked away the spots that burst out in his vision, it was still jarring to go back to seeing with only his physical eyes. He would have to continue working on his technique, otherwise that would be an unacceptable liability.

"It's a little rude to listen in like that, Fang," Han Jian said as he entered the training ground.

Han Fang dipped his head in deference, but if Jian had wanted to keep him out, he would have. Opening his ears to listen to what could be heard was just one of his duties. With his right hand, he signed to Jian. He received another letter?

Yes,
Jian signed back. "I… don't want to think ill of the Fan, but it seems his Father was more invested in the Gu alliance than I thought. It looks like he's going to continue negotiating for one of his other sons or nephews."

Han Jian grimaced, it was one thing for your betrothal to be broken, but another for it to outright be given to a close relative. No wonder fan Yu had been so despondent. It is still good that things were broken off, I think.

Even he could see that Gu Xiulan and Fan Yu would only have made one another miserable. He supposed that it was a benefit of his low birth that he did not have such troubles.

"Maybe so," Jian said with a sigh, looking up at the sky. He himself was still troubled by it. Han Fang felt a needle of irritation. He wished that his brother would not still pine so.

He let out a raspy cough, drawing Han Jian's attention. How have your own negotiations been going?

"Father is still in talks with the Guo clan, there's a half daughter of one of their Ebon Rivers Ambassadors that he's trying to negotiate for…." Han Jian said without much enthusiasm. "But, let's leave that aside."

Han Fang nodded agreeably, he would have to look into it himself. Even a Zheng sired bastard, half-child as it was polite to say, from the Guo clan would be a strong tie. Han Jian's father was a canny negotiator, he would not shoot so high if he did not think his odds were good.

"What I actually came up here for was to give you good news," Han Jian continued, a genuine smile returning to his face. "Your spirit beast is here."

Han fang blinked, then blinked again, looking around at the empty field.

"Well, not here, here," Han Jian said sheepishly. "I mean they're arriving today. I figured I should let you know so you can go meet her."

Her? Han fang signed. He felt strangely nervous at the idea of meeting his spirit. He had known that one was coming for some time, but it hadn't quite seemed real.

"Her name is Sidao," Han Jian said, glancing to the side. "Ah, fair warning, she might be a little rough. Like I said, I couldn't get you a partner from the mainline, but the clan managed to entice a few of the Waste branch in, and your partner is one of them."

Han Fang's eyebrows rose. The tigers of the southern wasteland were wild, and not often inclined to bonding. The feeling was generally returned, since they were even less inclined to obeying their human partners than their more northern kin. He would not complain however. Thank you so much Jian. I will be sure to make it work.


***​



Han Fang was less certain of his words as he arrived at the forest clearing which had been set out for their meeting. The caravan of the Han Family which the spirit should have arrived with was here, unloading goods for the Argent Sect, and would soon be moving north to eventually at Xiangmen to purchase foodstuffs and tea.

However, the clearing was empty.

Knowing the temperament of the tigers of Han, Han Fang considered that perhaps Sidao had gotten bored and wandered off. However, somehow that felt wrong. He felt a tension in the air, the hairs on the back of his neck rising. Slowly, Han Fang turned, observing the edge of the clearing and the swaying grass and brush.

Carefully, he extended his senses, letting the sizzle of the heavily currents touch his mind.

He jerked himself to the side, something thin and invisible carved a path through the air, and sliced through the trunk of a young tree, and deep into the sturdier oak behind it.

"Hmph, not wholly unaware then," The voice was sibilant, feminine, and deeply bored in tone.

Han Fang met a pair of golden eyes suspended in the evening shadows of the canopy. It was only then that he felt the sharp sting of pain from his upper arm, and the faint wetness of blood. He had been cut, and it had taken several seconds to even notice. He could have been angry at the attack, but this was simply the way of tiger spirits. If she had intended him true harm, the cutting wind would have aimed for his head.

"I am pleased to meet your expectations," he said in the voice of his spirit, meeting those predatory eyes steadily. "Just as I am pleased to be shown your prowess."

"What a respectful boy,"
the spirit purred, and around they eyes emerged the rest of the tigers frame, melting from the shadow. Pale grey fur, the color of the ash wastes, and broken up by stripes of deep black. Her frame was less muscular than Heijin's. Smaller and more lithe, more akin to the great cats of the hills and mountains. "This Sidao greets the cub of Han."

"Han Fang greets the child of the Grave Wardens,"
He said formally. The southern branches were descended from Grandmother Tigers third cub, who took up the southern watch, and developed to consume the ashen flesh of the Walkers. "I am honored by your presence."

Sidao's long tail flicked back and forth as the tiger stalked around him observing from every angle. You are," she said haughtily. "Understand that I seek new hunts, new foods, new amusements. Your tale was of interest. You will not bore me, I hope, deathtouched."

Han Fang straightened his shoulders. "I will not."
 
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inb4 sidao turns all Yandere on him lol.

on a less jokey response, i do hope that jian and fang join us in the inner sect for our second and final year. we may not interact with em a whole bunch but a bit would be fun.
 
Hrrm. A tiger Spirit made for dealing with the fallout of the explosion over Golden Fields?
...Her talents might have drawn her and Han Yuan back into Ling Qi's sphere if we took the Defensive mission against the under-dwellers...
 
Remember during the vote for the Ji Rong duel? Someone expressed worry that Ji Rong would hurt Zhengui during the fight and seemed to think that he wasn't tanky enough to take it for some reason.
Zhengui is not a traditional heavy tank he's more of a healing tank but the health regen works best when our elegy is up and gets siphoned to him.
 
My expectations of "Managing Our Fief" follow the general idea that we will be as the Senior Management to the daily operations.

A CEO/CFO/COO does manage their business, but they don't handle the nitty-gritty of minor expense. They aren't deciding "does this ward need to be fixed?" Because it obviously does, or else things go to shit and fast. We might be involved in deciding WHO handles that for us on a contract basis, like do we hire the Sect and use our friends there for it to build up a more professional relationship with them, or use some other Emerald Seas contact for closer business ties or just a cheaper process.

I hardly imagine we won't be using a middle management structure since we effectively are already doing so for a single house with Qinnge and her associates handling the day to day expenses.

Will our management abilities come into play? Certainly, as we will be receiving monthly/quarterly/annual reports about a number of things that we need to understand, interpret, and determine our goals going forward but unless we plan on completely avoiding the insight into micromanagement that we managed to inadvertently give CRX we are not going to be doing that much directly in our Fief ourselves that cannot/should not be done just as well by others more suited to the job and leave our time free to handle the tasks we are best suited for.

This ^^^

And no, I absolutely cannot imagine Ling Qi's fief without a temple and also an accountant who isn't her. Yes, it's an expense. It's an absolutely, utterly, ridiculously necessary one.

Sidao is the Ultimate Murder Floof. The kind that will pretend that it doesn't want to cuddle. But she sure as hell does.

YES. YES SHE IS
 
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Getting someone in to fix the wards might also be a time sink, could take more AP than just fixing them ourselves.
Probably not, I think; Ling Qi's kinda specialized in making and managing social connections, after all.

Then again, wards specifically are kind of a secondary specialty, so it might well depend on the precise costs, and how high-end we want the wards; hirelings aren't likely going to be coming in at Ling Qi's level, so we'd be trading services with someone of similar rank if we want similar or better quality.
 
Probably not, I think; Ling Qi's kinda specialized in making and managing social connections, after all.

Then again, wards specifically are kind of a secondary specialty, so it might well depend on the precise costs, and how high-end we want the wards; hirelings aren't likely going to be coming in at Ling Qi's level, so we'd be trading services with someone of similar rank if we want similar or better quality.
Wards are a production specialty, not a combat cultivator specialty. Ling Qi's level at them is "baby".
 
Man I feel bad for Fan Yu.
He's facing the worst fate of all, irrelevance.

Is it purely a focusing issue with him? Like he doesn't get the meditative high that Ling Qi gets or is he metaphysically fudging every roll?
 
We're a Baron, about as low as a noble gets, barely above glorified farmers.
I'd expect there to be lot of hands on stuff, even if only "go fix the wards and drive away the spirit beats" type.

What? This sentiment shows that we have been spending too much time with ducals and playing games with high society.

Yes, we are as low as a noble gets. But we are a noble, not a glorified farmer. Consider the average person, a mortal. A mortal may be a mayor, or a low bureaucrat, or have a thousand of other jobs. For those, a single red stone is a treasure, a red cultivator represents the local authority, a yellow cultivator is someone they show reverence and kowtow to , as seen in the streets of Tounghou.

A baron is the person yellows kowtow to, for there is as much a difference between yellow and mortal as there is between yellow and mid green (and even weak baron heads should be at least mid green). For a mortal, the lowest noble is not a glorified farmer, they may as well be the local god, the being yellows obey and mortals may be hurt by their mere presence. The average mortal may not even see a noble in its life. That is not the level of authority a glorified farmer has, regardless of the contempt dukes and royals may show, for the difference between them and a baron is still greater than a baron and a mortal, to a mortal a noble's word is as absolute as any other's. Actually, that is wrong, while their level of power is that much different, barons have a route for their words to reach even the ears of ducals, something even yellows lack, so their level of authority is significantly different, because they are more useful to them and their income, even if its as pawns.

Moreover, as a Baron, we earn the greens. And I mean green stones, even if only barely enough to stay afloat for poorer barons. That means one can hire red and yellow soldiers and bureaucrats, which is the standard. They are the guys that repair wards and fight most spirit beasts, as it has been shown repeatedly in worldbuilding pieces, barons only even get involved if there is a somewhat major problem, such as an unfriendly green beast (rarer in most areas than the sect would have you believe).

So no, every piece of worldbuilding shows that the lowest noble has a lot more real authority than a glorified farmer and that the dredgework described here is what red soldiers and yellow lieutants/specialists tend to do.

Being a noble is a big deal, not glorified anything, its just that the Sect is a major political center of power so the context is lost, because our station still feels low, while with account to the vast majority of mortals... no, the vast majority of cultivators, we may as well be the heavens.
 
Man I feel bad for Fan Yu.
He's facing the worst fate of all, irrelevance.

Is it purely a focusing issue with him? Like he doesn't get the meditative high that Ling Qi gets or is he metaphysically fudging every roll?
Gotta keep in mind that every time he fails he experiences crippling pain. I imagine it would be extremely difficult to keep bashing your head against a wall when you know it's almost certain to result in excruciating injury.
 
Man I feel bad for Fan Yu.
He's facing the worst fate of all, irrelevance.

Is it purely a focusing issue with him? Like he doesn't get the meditative high that Ling Qi gets or is he metaphysically fudging every roll?

This is why I never understood the "being kind to your enemies is being cruel to your friends" philosophy most xianxia preach. It would be more understandable in a series where power ups weren't expontential, but in xianxia, an old opponent suffers the fate of irrelevance, regardless of their intentions, as they get surpassed, and can only stew.
 
I just... really disagree. It's perfectly NORMAL to delegate. It's WEIRD to NOT delegate, especially when your main expected job is to cultivate as high as you can.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said that we shouldn't delegate. I said there are limits to how much we can delegate before it's not delegating but abdicating responsibility, and that your argument that we have no reason to develop any skills or abilities related to management because that's what delegation for falls under abdicating responsibility.

Using your latest post as an example,
This ^^^

And no, I absolutely cannot imagine Ling Qi's fief without a temple and also an accountant who isn't her. Yes, it's an expense. It's an absolutely, utterly, ridiculously necessary one.
You talk about the necessity of having a temple and accountant - but that was never what was in question.

Will our management abilities come into play? Certainly, as we will be receiving monthly/quarterly/annual reports about a number of things that we need to understand, interpret, and determine our goals going forward
This bit here, where pathos explicitly says our own management abilities and our ability to understand and interpret the goings on of our fief - that is what you decried when you questioned the need to ever devote time to "fief-managing" skills.

Okay, so I've wanted to ask for a while: where is the idea of us "managing our fief" coming from? I'm pretty sure that's what hired administrators are for, while the kid noble's job is to play artillery and intrigue on the outside. Sure, maybe if Ling Qi was into management she'd go for it, but she's visibly not. The most "managing the fief" I can imagine her doing is the tense and exciting vote of "ask Cai Renxiang to send an inspector over or nah"

This sort of bait-and-switch between arguments is pretty disrespectful.
 
We are basically a Yellow when it comes to warding. Pretty good stats but no relevant arts.

We could probably repair most basic wardings if there was a need to, though. There would probably not be a need to, as I said above, because we'd have people for that, but the wardings that keep mortal settlements safe are usually really basic, based at least on the opening blurbs of forge.
 
A baron is the person yellows kowtow to, for there is as much a difference between yellow and mortal as there is between yellow and mid green (and even weak baron heads should be at least mid green). For a mortal, the lowest noble is not a glorified farmer, they may as well be the local god, the being yellows obey and mortals may be hurt by their mere presence. The average mortal may not even see a noble in its life. That is not the level of authority a glorified farmer has, regardless of the contempt dukes and royals may show, for the difference between them and a baron is still greater than a baron and a mortal, to a mortal a noble's word is as absolute as any other's. Actually, that is wrong, while their level of power is that much different, barons have a route for their words to reach even the ears of ducals, something even yellows lack, so their level of authority is significantly different, because they are more useful to them and their income, even if its as pawns.
Now I want to see Ling Qi interacting with some mortals, maybe being too modest. With her levels in disguise she may even be able to pull off the act of being no one important. Maybe someone mistaking her mother as the head of the clan when they go to see Baron Ling.
 
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