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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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BungieONI said:
Formations do not seem to work via arts however, so using that comparison is basically empty. Instead from what the state of the Empire's comm system shows, it indicates that there are paths of specialization where you basically have to make a thesis, or several and then progress off of that. General level formations use, reading formations, and formations breaking is something we have invested in, but it is the root of our skill in the subject.

Patterning off our allies might work, but I doubt we will be able to use the stuff they build on their own. I.e we'll have to help them develop it. Which like, has merit for some things, but we should be choosy about how we spend our time.
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As in you're missing the point.
If we need to set up a simple foe detection ward, we could use a Perception art, use a preset talisman or some elementary formations.

The first is too expensive. Tends to be the best on peers.

The second runs into talismans not being always readily available or customizable. Working on peers makes them cost more, in favors, cash or friend time commitment.

The third takes a small continuous time investment to maintain proficiency, can be deployed and customized on demand, but won't stand up to a peer(but is good at watching some ass of nowhere cheap). Most useful for solving stupid esoteric puzzles that wants an element you don't main.
 
veekie said:
As in you're missing the point.
If we need to set up a simple foe detection ward, we could use a Perception art, use a preset talisman or some elementary formations.

The first is too expensive. Tends to be the best on peers.

The second runs into talismans not being always readily available or customizable. Working on peers makes them cost more, in favors, cash or friend time commitment.

The third takes a small continuous time investment to maintain proficiency, can be deployed and customized on demand, but won't stand up to a peer(but is good at watching some ass of nowhere cheap). Most useful for solving stupid esoteric puzzles that wants an element you don't main.
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That is included in general use to me.
 
For me our primary use of formations is disabling security and other defensive arrays.
So i am okay with occasionally training it so we can make those skill checks.

But anything else we can buy or get someone to do it for us.
 
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veekie said:
As in you're missing the point.
If we need to set up a simple foe detection ward, we could use a Perception art, use a preset talisman or some elementary formations.

The first is too expensive. Tends to be the best on peers.

The second runs into talismans not being always readily available or customizable. Working on peers makes them cost more, in favors, cash or friend time commitment.

The third takes a small continuous time investment to maintain proficiency, can be deployed and customized on demand, but won't stand up to a peer(but is good at watching some ass of nowhere cheap). Most useful for solving stupid esoteric puzzles that wants an element you don't main.
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Man, I consider the Perception Art the least expensive of those, a preset talisman the best for long duration things that don't need peer fight, and the 'elementary formation' worse than the preset talisman unless those formations are not elementary at all.

There is a reason CRX flat out told us to leave that to professionals. If we want to do it ourself? Even as a hybrid we need to be a professional.
Koden said:
For me our primary use of formations is disabling security and other defensive arrays.
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Basically yeah. We need a simple, strong focus on what we want to do with formation, and stick to it. It's not urgent in any way, too.

If we were trying to 'pick up low hanging fruits', we'd go for Dodge.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Khepri14 on Nov 9, 2018 at 7:44 AM, finished with 406 posts and 58 votes.
  • [X] Actual Plan Gamma
    [X] Plan Dancing Through Danger
    -[X] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free YSS)
    -[X] High - 20 dice for 25 (40-15) red stones per action
    -[X] EPC Successes Go to EPC
    -[X]Buy Sect Sponsored GSS
    -[X] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2 , Manipulation, Wits)
    -[X] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Strength, Stamina)
    -[X] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Stealth x2)
    -[X] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dance x2, Wits)
    -[X] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
    -[X] Take Sect Jobs x3 (Fortitude, Larceny x2)
    [X] Plan setting up for the grind
    -[X] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free YSS)
    -[X] High Resource Expense (YSS income wiped out, -5YSS reserves)
    -[X] Buy sponsored Sect GSS
    -[X] EPC bonus to EPC
    -[X] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2 , Manip, Wits)
    -[X] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Stamina x2)
    -[X] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Stealth x2)
    -[X] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dance x2, Wits)
    -[X] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
    -[X] Take Sect Jobs(Earns Sect Points 11-20 per AP) x2 (Survivalx2)
    -[X] Research Arts in Sect Archive x1 (Academics)
    [X]Plan Will it Blend?
    -[X] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free YSS)
    -[X] High Resource Expense (YSS income wiped out, -5YSS reserves)
    -[X] Buy sponsored Sect GSS
    -[X] EPC bonus to EPC
    -[X] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2, Manip x2)
    -[X] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Stamina x2)
    -[X] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Qi x2)
    -[X] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dance x2, Wits)
    -[X] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
    -[X] Take Sect Jobs(Earns Sect Points 11-20 per AP) x2 (Stealth x2)
    -[X] Research Arts in Sect Archive x1 (Academics)
    [X] Actual Plan Gamma
    -[X] Invest 4x YSS (+12 Free), purchase Discounted GSS (-200 RSS)
    -[X] High Resource Expense (YSS income wiped out, -2.5 Reserves)
    -[X] EPC Bonuses to EPC
    -[X] Cultivate Spirit x4 (Presence x2, Manip x2)
    -[X] Cultivate Phys x4 (Dex x2, Stamina, Strength)
    -[X] Cultivate EPC x4 (Perceptiveness x2, Qi x2)
    -[X] Cultivate SCS x3 (Dance x2, Wits)
    -[X] Cultivate Argent Genesis x2 (Resolve x2)
    -[X] Take Sect Jobs x2 (Stealth x2)
    -[X] Perform Sect Duties (Formations)
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Just saying: the Inter Sect Competition isn't a tournament. Yrs confirmed that on Discord. He said it would be a bit boring and tedious if he had two major arcs be tournaments one after the other.

[X] Actual Plan Gamma
 
Codex said:
Just saying: the Inter Sect Competition isn't a tournament. Yrs confirmed that on Discord. He said it would be a bit boring and tedious if he had two major arcs be tournaments one after the other.

[X] Actual Plan Gamma
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No, he confirmed the preparations, E.G "who in the sect is accepted for the competition" is not a tournament. The competition itself is totally a tournament.
 
Codex said:
Just saying: the Inter Sect Competition isn't a tournament. Yrs confirmed that on Discord. He said it would be a bit boring and tedious if he had two major arcs be tournaments one after the other.
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I though we only knew it's not gonna be fighting-based? On the other hand, I can see it being an adventure-based tournament - drop the sect group at a location, give them a quest and enjoy the show.
 
Varder said:
I though we only knew it's not gonna be fighting-based? On the other hand, I can see it being an adventure-based tournament - drop the sect group at a location, give them a quest and enjoy the show.
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I don't remember anything about it not being fighting-based. Team based for sure.
 
The formations argument is a little academic at this point.

Ling Qi notes herself whilst training Formations with Elder Jiao that her only real interest in it is for breaking and entering, and otherwise it's more of a hobby she does with Suyin.

As such for what we need it for - breaking security formations - a middling C rank is probably sufficient if we focus on how to penetrate them and buy or hire true formations experts for our others talismanic needs, like the single use escape tool.

Edit: Does Formations split like Expression? If it does then I'd recommend going for B rank in it and then taking whatever derived one is closest to breaking formations.
 
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[X]Plan Will it Blend?

Voting for this plan primarily because I think we need to find a new art to balance our build under the new system. Specifically, I'm concerned that none of our attack abilities hit abilities which we have two strengths in. Music seems to be our best attack at the moment, but we don't really have good ways to increase our Manipulation or Presence aside from Argent Current and general Spiritual Cultivation. Given that our primary attack ability is music, and Manipulation and Presence are the skills which combine with music, I think we should find an art which allows us to train them (presumably while also adding other bonuses). Alternatively, find a musical art which keys off a different mental/social ability. Maybe Music + Wits and Music + Manipulation? I think that would scale better with Ling Qi's current stats.

Additionally, I think that we might want something to increase Strength some for the speed boost, though I'm less sold on that, as direct strength really doesn't seem to mesh with Ling Qi's build very well. Better to find something which replaces Strength with a different ability if possible for speed.
 
commando2341 said:
The formations argument is a little academic at this point.

Ling Qi notes herself whilst training Formations with Elder Jiao that her only real interest in it is for breaking and entering, and otherwise it's more of a hobby she does with Suyin.

As such for what we need it for - breaking security formations - a middling C rank is probably sufficient if we focus on how to penetrate them and buy or hire true formations experts for our others talismanic needs, like the single use escape tool.

Edit: Does Formations split like Expression? If it does then I'd recommend going for B rank in it and then taking whatever derived one is closest to breaking formations.
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I would imagine it does, and we're likely going to get specializations in Security and Reconnaissance or something, since those are the stuff we actually know Formations for.
 
Can we get something to patch the Presence: F (10/20)? It's killing our spirit penetration and is our worst stat. Patching it at least to D would help significantly.
 
primemountain said:
Can we get something to patch the Presence: F (10/20)? It's killing our spirit penetration and is our worst stat. Patching it at least to D would help significantly.
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Presence will likely be trained regularly with FSS, so it won't stay too low for long. We are already training it a bit this turn, but spiritual likely will be fore other, harder to get stats later.

Speaking of FSS, it peaking at Green 2 does mean we'll get FSS+ before the year is done I think.
 
It sounds like we're down to plans that are mostly the same, just with a couple key sticking points.

Could we replace Sect Jobs with Sect Duties in the Blend plan so that people get their Formations stuff?
We'd be loosing our Stealth training there, but we could divert some of EPC's points to Stealth to make up for it.
 
[X]Plan Will it Blend?

For now, I'm going with this. But it depends on @yrsillar confirming that archive runs still work like in the first quest: we need one action to look at the index, and another action to choose an art and start training it.
If with the monthly turns we could now get the index and then a subvote on what to get (if anything) then there is less hurry to check the archive.
 
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