Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Liao Zhu was that shadowy figure, he uses knives while iirc Guan Zhi is a puncher.
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Users' Choice!
Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
It's darkness month. It's darkness month.
From what I know darkness month has been the most scrutinized plan for several turns now.
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- They/Them
One armed so shouldn't that be moon senpai?
- Location
- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
Yeah, she did more than well enough for me to believe that Jiao or Ying will request a field promotion.
Ok, the moratorium isnt over yet, but im just going to post this early so we have some time to discuss the plan here before voting. also, please tell me if you find any errors
[X] Plan: Darkness Turn
-[X] Medium Pills (free)
-[X] Resources: 12 GSS, 12 YSS (4 free GSS, 8 from cash, 12 free YSS), Drip on Physical Cultivation
-[X] Talisman [subvote about buying Accessory (Senior Craftsman, 60 SP)]
-[X] Use the Ebon Spirit Elixir
-[X] Use the Midnight Essence Pill
-[X] Physical Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief (3 AP)
-[X] Ephemeral Nights Memory (2 AP)
-[X] Starless Night's Reflection (4 AP)
-[X] Unstoppable Glaciers March (2 AP)
-[X] Moonless Saboteur's Smile (1 AP)
-[X] Beast King's Savage Dirge (1 AP)
-[X] Winter Hearth Resounding (1 AP)
-[X] Phantasmagoria of Lunar Revelry (1 AP)
-[X] Family (1 AP)
-[X] Unequip: Storm Enduring Seedling, Thousand Ring Fortress
-[X] Equip: Starless Night's Reflection, Winter Hearth's Resounding, Unstoppable Glaciers March, Beast King's Savage Dirge, Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief
[X][Talisman] buy
[][Talisman] don't buy
And here goes the explanation:
We want Medium Pills, because anything else is too expensive atm and we are getting bonus dice from our darkness pill already. The GSS and YSS we use as resources are the maximum possible for our current cultivation level.
Since the pills on the market this turn aren't that good, we thought we might look into replacing another of our outdated Talismans. Senior Talismans are quite expensive, but it is the best we can buy atm and going by the jewelry we got last time, they are worth the price. Well, and yrs was super generous about SP this turn, so we actually aren't broke after buying the talisman.
Now to the fun part, our 2 darkness pills. The Midnight Essence Pill gives a dice bonus to darkness arts to all darkness arts trained this turn. The Ebon Spirit Elixir gives us 1 spiritual AP for every 2 AP darkness training. This combination means we want to train a lot of darkness arts this turn.
The 4 AP rule that makes training more than 4 AP to something per turn only half as effective still applies to the AP we get from our pill, the 14 darkness art AP in this plan give us 7 virtual AP of Spiritual cultivation, which the rule turns into 5.5 effective AP. Thanks to the massive amount of xp we got here the chances to reach Green 4 this turn are at 96% from AP alone (it was pointed out that one 100 xp to spiritual should go to physical instead, given how the dreaming EPC bonus is worded). The moon drip xp should easily push that up to 100%.
The Physical Cultivation gets 4 AP as usual to make progress to the next bronze level.
We also have the above mentioned 14 AP in various Darkness Arts:
The Wind Thief gets finally trained this turn and we can get it all the way to its current cap at level 2 with 3 AP with a 100% chance.
ENM maxes out this turn with 2 AP also with a 100% chance.
Our new armor art SNR can go all the way to level 3 with 4 AP, again with 100% chance.
UGM caps at level 2, and 2 AP have a 90% chance to reach it. These are reasonable odds as it is, but for those who are interested in investing omake points to improve the odds, the chances are:
0 = 90%, 1 = 94%, 2 = 96%, 3 = 98%, 4 = 98.5%, 5 = 99%, 6 = 99.6%, 7 = 99.8%
We can bring our previously untrained social art MSS to level 1 with 1 AP with a 100% chance.
BKSD and WHR also have both a 100% chance to reach the first level with only 1 AP each.
The reason why the AP for WHR is taken from BKSD (the previous version of the plan had 2 AP for it) is that a lot of the xp from that second AP would have gone into overflow. Since the cap after BKSD 2 goes away after we get to G4 and since BKSD doesn't benefit from SSC at all, it is more convenient to get the second level next turn instead. (also means that we can continue training the War skill next turn if it doesn't cap this turn).
WHR has the Cold keyword, so it counts as darkness art for our pills, so we are still at 14 AP darkness arts.
The Family AP is locked in, so we have only one AP left and since our elixir works with even numbers of AP, we can have that last AP be a non-darkness art. PLR needs only 1 AP to get to level 7 with a 100% chance, so it seems like a solid choice for that last slot.
Btw. the one part i would like feedback on the most is the talisman. Since yrs was so generous this turn, an argument could be made to save the SP to get the new flute as soon as we get our music S skill instead. If that option is more popular, then I could edit the 'buy a talisman' option out
[X] Plan: Darkness Turn
-[X] Medium Pills (free)
-[X] Resources: 12 GSS, 12 YSS (4 free GSS, 8 from cash, 12 free YSS), Drip on Physical Cultivation
-[X] Talisman [subvote about buying Accessory (Senior Craftsman, 60 SP)]
-[X] Use the Ebon Spirit Elixir
-[X] Use the Midnight Essence Pill
-[X] Physical Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief (3 AP)
-[X] Ephemeral Nights Memory (2 AP)
-[X] Starless Night's Reflection (4 AP)
-[X] Unstoppable Glaciers March (2 AP)
-[X] Moonless Saboteur's Smile (1 AP)
-[X] Beast King's Savage Dirge (1 AP)
-[X] Winter Hearth Resounding (1 AP)
-[X] Phantasmagoria of Lunar Revelry (1 AP)
-[X] Family (1 AP)
-[X] Unequip: Storm Enduring Seedling, Thousand Ring Fortress
-[X] Equip: Starless Night's Reflection, Winter Hearth's Resounding, Unstoppable Glaciers March, Beast King's Savage Dirge, Laughing Flight of the Wind Thief
[X][Talisman] buy
[][Talisman] don't buy
And here goes the explanation:
We want Medium Pills, because anything else is too expensive atm and we are getting bonus dice from our darkness pill already. The GSS and YSS we use as resources are the maximum possible for our current cultivation level.
Since the pills on the market this turn aren't that good, we thought we might look into replacing another of our outdated Talismans. Senior Talismans are quite expensive, but it is the best we can buy atm and going by the jewelry we got last time, they are worth the price. Well, and yrs was super generous about SP this turn, so we actually aren't broke after buying the talisman.
Now to the fun part, our 2 darkness pills. The Midnight Essence Pill gives a dice bonus to darkness arts to all darkness arts trained this turn. The Ebon Spirit Elixir gives us 1 spiritual AP for every 2 AP darkness training. This combination means we want to train a lot of darkness arts this turn.
The 4 AP rule that makes training more than 4 AP to something per turn only half as effective still applies to the AP we get from our pill, the 14 darkness art AP in this plan give us 7 virtual AP of Spiritual cultivation, which the rule turns into 5.5 effective AP. Thanks to the massive amount of xp we got here the chances to reach Green 4 this turn are at 96% from AP alone (it was pointed out that one 100 xp to spiritual should go to physical instead, given how the dreaming EPC bonus is worded). The moon drip xp should easily push that up to 100%.
The Physical Cultivation gets 4 AP as usual to make progress to the next bronze level.
We also have the above mentioned 14 AP in various Darkness Arts:
The Wind Thief gets finally trained this turn and we can get it all the way to its current cap at level 2 with 3 AP with a 100% chance.
ENM maxes out this turn with 2 AP also with a 100% chance.
Our new armor art SNR can go all the way to level 3 with 4 AP, again with 100% chance.
UGM caps at level 2, and 2 AP have a 90% chance to reach it. These are reasonable odds as it is, but for those who are interested in investing omake points to improve the odds, the chances are:
0 = 90%, 1 = 94%, 2 = 96%, 3 = 98%, 4 = 98.5%, 5 = 99%, 6 = 99.6%, 7 = 99.8%
We can bring our previously untrained social art MSS to level 1 with 1 AP with a 100% chance.
BKSD and WHR also have both a 100% chance to reach the first level with only 1 AP each.
The reason why the AP for WHR is taken from BKSD (the previous version of the plan had 2 AP for it) is that a lot of the xp from that second AP would have gone into overflow. Since the cap after BKSD 2 goes away after we get to G4 and since BKSD doesn't benefit from SSC at all, it is more convenient to get the second level next turn instead. (also means that we can continue training the War skill next turn if it doesn't cap this turn).
WHR has the Cold keyword, so it counts as darkness art for our pills, so we are still at 14 AP darkness arts.
The Family AP is locked in, so we have only one AP left and since our elixir works with even numbers of AP, we can have that last AP be a non-darkness art. PLR needs only 1 AP to get to level 7 with a 100% chance, so it seems like a solid choice for that last slot.
Btw. the one part i would like feedback on the most is the talisman. Since yrs was so generous this turn, an argument could be made to save the SP to get the new flute as soon as we get our music S skill instead. If that option is more popular, then I could edit the 'buy a talisman' option out
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EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
Here is the skill plan made for Darkness Month
[] Plan Everlasting Darkness
-[] 4x Dexterity* (8/40), 2x Presence** (12/40), 4x Resolve* (20/40)
-[] 4x Fade* (24/40), 4x War** (28/40), 4x Government** (32/40)
-[] 4x Unbroken Will* (40/40)
[] Plan Everlasting Darkness
-[] 4x Dexterity* (8/40), 2x Presence** (12/40), 4x Resolve* (20/40)
-[] 4x Fade* (24/40), 4x War** (28/40), 4x Government** (32/40)
-[] 4x Unbroken Will* (40/40)
- Location
- At the end of the world
We're lucky that it actually wasn't a strong spirit. And it was right, we shouldn't get complacent. If that Kongyou was several stages higher situation would have been vastly different.
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Cool update.
Tho, I want to say something else. I think it is time to consider that we will not be able to complete the task Shenhua set out for us to do. We got a 20 rank increase this turn from our mission. We need something like that increase each month from now to the end to complete it. So as each rank increase gets harder we will need to do something more crazy then what we did this month next month and then top that each month afterwards to the end...
We literally cant do that, it is an insane escalation. So we should probably not even try. Hopefully our makeup task will be more achievable then this one.
Tho, I want to say something else. I think it is time to consider that we will not be able to complete the task Shenhua set out for us to do. We got a 20 rank increase this turn from our mission. We need something like that increase each month from now to the end to complete it. So as each rank increase gets harder we will need to do something more crazy then what we did this month next month and then top that each month afterwards to the end...
We literally cant do that, it is an insane escalation. So we should probably not even try. Hopefully our makeup task will be more achievable then this one.
- Location
- US
Well, it does work narratively.
Hey Ling Qi, why are you cultivating so many darkness arts?
I was trapped in a rainbow prison made from a kaleidoscope of my own neon soaked dreams due to mainlining pure unfiltered imagination.
Kind of over color for the moment, ya know?
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- Location
- Canada
I'm not going to pretend I got everything, a lot still goes over my head, but I do appreciate the write-up. It's one of those things I want to keep updated on even though I'm not really involved in the mechanical discussions. I just find even having a basic understanding of what's happening moving forward makes me more invested in Ling Qi as a whole, and more specifically, her cultivation.
So again, thanks.
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- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
As the war heats up we will get more chances to help the sect. I am not too worried yet. Plus if you want to be morbid, as the war heats up there will be more empty spots in front of us.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I'm fairly hopeful the inter-sect tournament will provide the potential for huge rank jump, but yeah, I was surprised at getting a +20 to rank after this, considering I don't expect us to have such a mission every single turn.
globalwarmth
ruining the weather.
- Location
- Polar ice caps
power of friendship. bad in 1v1, overwhelming on team efforts!
He is the sweet dork that hides a beast in combat.
Also we finally saw his face
I think the war with the shishigui is likely to pick up in pace, not slow, personally.
deadcrystal
Slaaneshi Cultist
- Location
- The Warp
I'm guessing Ji Rong must be somewhere in Dream along with Guan Zhi? Because neither of those two showed up during this bit.
Wonder if they managed to meet up and leave or Ji Rong is off having an arc of finding his way back to the Sect separated from the group.
Wonder if they managed to meet up and leave or Ji Rong is off having an arc of finding his way back to the Sect separated from the group.
Mmm, w. regards to talismans:
- Should wait until we upgrade Woodwind before getting a weapon talisman, so we can synergise themes there
- Perception talisman could be justified by our windfall and wanting to not get caught out by sneak attacks again - so far we've been relying on allies there
- Bigger question here comes with next turn already being very busy - we have darkness month, Wang, and Xuan Shi and Zhengui to deal with. Adding more parts might not be the best rn
IMO other disciples also get high rank ups, because there is heavy combat and opportunity for promotion. So relatively to other disciples it is only 20 rank increase.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I think the same argument re:woodwind apply to a perception talisman.
I'm not exactly sure what is the current consensus in discord nowadays, but last time I heard there was a desire to, post tournament, create a RME successor that was music/hearing based rather than sight based. Now, it's possible we might get a talisman right now to help us in the journey there, but I suspect the other way around would be more organic. Especially as there is talk about getting a new B perception skill.
I honestly don't think we should rush the whole talisman thing for now. It seems like it would be better to wait unti Ling Qi is G5.
Yrsillar mentioned that Ji Rong and Guan Zhi were off having their own adventure.
(LOL Ji Rong always getting the big sister types.)
I mean, the point of the perception talisman is to shore up our power there to make up for us not being a perception specialist. Waiting a year for that kinda misses the point of the exercise I feel, and if we decide we want something different in a year then that's fine? That being said, those points about arguments over our perception do highlight why votes over such a talisman could get messy.
I'm more concerned about pacing in the darkness turn though tbh.
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Yrs keeps giving Ji Ron all the MC goodies. But Turtle Husbando was pretty awesome this chapter.
- Location
- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
I'm not too worried about Shenhua's goal for us yet.
I expect to see some casualty promotions as people die or are removed from the sect following injury.
More than that, part of me thinks we'll keep on accelerating. I think most of our peers second cultivation art is way closer to AG than SSC in terms of quality.
Makes sense, his dream girl would be stronger than him so he could never fail to protect her.
I expect to see some casualty promotions as people die or are removed from the sect following injury.
More than that, part of me thinks we'll keep on accelerating. I think most of our peers second cultivation art is way closer to AG than SSC in terms of quality.
Makes sense, his dream girl would be stronger than him so he could never fail to protect her.