Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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At a basic level, our current dissonance is between Ling Qi's need to continually drive forward (and by now it *is* a Need. She has chosen it willingly. She will never be rid of it) and her embrace of a family - many of whom simply cannot keep up with her. Her Mom is vanishingly unlikely to ever make it out of Red/Gold. Most of her allies will not be able to maintain her rate of advancement. At some point she will marry, and it is highly likely that whoever she does marry won't be able to keep up with her either. She will have children, and most of those children will not show the same talent she has, nor the desperate, hungry drive. Her sister... who knows how much talent she has? Still, though, all of these people are her family. Her dissonance is fundamentally that if she does not make them part of her life, then they're not really family, but if they can't give her back something important, then all they are is barriers on the path to cultivation, and she's already decided that she refuses to be drowned in those. So... how can they give back? Her mom, her sister, her children, those of her friends that she slowly outstrips - what's the payoff at the core that makes the relationship more than one-sided, that makes it worthwhile for her hypermotivated cultivation aspect to spend the time to maintain and nurture those relationships?

I don't think that Ling Qi has thought of it that way, consciously, because it's a kind of cold way to think of your family, but that's what she needs, I think, to make it all work. I imagine it's the sort of insight/precept/realization/approach that would result in having allies in her aura also give benefits back to her.
Ling Qi does have the beginnings of a comprehensive world view. She believes the world is like the streets of Tonghuo, Dark and Cold where hunger and death rules. She believes all of life is struggle for survival, to adapt like Water and escape like the Wind, except the parts that are not. These things, love and friendship, Music and all that is enjoyable, are something more.

That is Ling Qi. It doesn't need to be more than that really. A balance between understanding that the world is harsh and enjoying the parts of it that aren't. If she didn't have happiness there would just be a senseless struggle before the inevitable End. If she didn't strive and climb her happiness would be brittle and die.
 
Ling Qi does have the beginnings of a comprehensive world view. She believes the world is like the streets of Tonghuo, Dark and Cold where hunger and death rules. She believes all of life is struggle for survival, to adapt like Water and escape like the Wind, except the parts that are not. These things, love and friendship, Music and all that is enjoyable, are something more.

That is Ling Qi. It doesn't need to be more than that really. A balance between understanding that the world is harsh and enjoying the parts of it that aren't. If she didn't have happiness there would just be a senseless struggle before the inevitable End. If she didn't strive and climb her happiness would be brittle and die.
That's not enough, though, because she has already incorporated other things, and will need to keep incorporating things as she goes. We are already in mild deviation, and if we make the wrong choices, it can and will get quite a lot worse. In the past, a painter once gave a White an insight that straight-up killed him. We need harmony in our self, and with the profound decisions that we make, and that means with our position under the Cai and our relationship with our family and our relationship with our friends, and how we interact with various kinds of outsiders, and how we interact with our spirits, and our cultivation and *everything*.

Though for right now, I'm just trying to talk about the dissonance she has right now, and maybe give people a bit more framework for theorycrafting for insights later. There will be trap options, which seem reasonable, but would be violations of Ling Qi's Way. We have seen them already, and we will see more. I guarantee it.
 
Though for right now, I'm just trying to talk about the dissonance she has right now, and maybe give people a bit more framework for theorycrafting for insights later. There will be trap options, which seem reasonable, but would be violations of Ling Qi's Way. We have seen them already, and we will see more. I guarantee it.
Yeah. It's an important thing to discuss, not just something we can afford to hope will work out on its own.

We really need some way for people weaker than her to give back, as you said. Don't know that it has to be through her aura, specifically, but I'm certainly not claiming that that won't work.

Thinking about it, Sixiang's "loyalty mission" might be a good place to look for ideas; while Six isn't exactly weak at the moment, there were similar questions with regards to "how can they contribute" going on in the background of that, as I recall.
 
The crux of the issue is that ling thought her family Zhengui would shackle her by slowing down but were not just goin in a different direction, the insight for HDW will make the stepping stones for dodging this situation again and I'm betting WHR will help with resolving the heart demon among other sappy stuff, not sure how long it takes to clear the pesky things.
 
I'm unsure if this would work better as a pm, but I want to voice my praises on your work, yrsillar.

On the surface, this work is already something notable. A well run and well done Quest not in the second perspective, and a quality Xianxia. Both of those things are rare, and finding them in the same place even more so.

Yet, what I really find impressive is the work you've done with the characters and the setting. Most Xianxia travel quickly through places, yet Ling Qi spends a lot of time in the Sect and around these people. As such, we spend a lot of time there, and so I find myself actually caring about places and the people who live there.

Lastly, I want to acknowledge the community here. I've never seen a community so involved in the deconstruction of the available choices, as well as remaining relatively civil.

I probably shouldn't be rambling like this before I go to sleep. Yet I think it's more important that I make my compliments known, than avoiding looking like an idiot, in this case.
 
How to ..... Okay I don't even know how to answer that? How do you get a desperate girl from the streets thrust into high level politics and philosophy to realize the best way forward?
Honestly this seems like the kind of insight that would come from spending time with others instead of seeking it.
I don't know. Seek new relationships become a social butterfly, spend more time on consulting on her arts maybe pick up a profession or formations as a hobby? There is an argument to be made that maybe she should slow down a little and pick up some other skills and arts and work to polish them?.
About how high does her cultivation have to be by the tourney or by any other point in time? Is the tourney in 2 years?
Social butterfly only worsens the problem, Ling Qi's problem is absolutely not going to untangle just by putting more weight on socializing, the problem is she picked relentless growth as a core concept, which naturally generates conflict with any other core concepts which puts value in externalities, and in this case generated conflict from a concept of self sacrifice and a concept of being responsive to family needs.


She has resolved the FVM insight issues by taking the family insight, which means that while suffering for treasures is a good thing, she should consider what her loved ones actually think of the treasure.

So for this next step she has several potential solutions:
-Build on the family insight, establish reciprocity. This is technically just buying time, once we actually get past Green reciprocity is going to be its own flavors of pain.
--To get here we'd likely need something from our family to introduce an unacceptable request which doesn't actually break the bond, something of a tribulation of its own I think.

-Build on Ruan Shen's suggestion, establish boundaries. Some will go with you to the top, some will support you from the rear, some stand at the fringes and thats okay. This won't remove the problem, it just limits it so we only need to go all out with a few connections.
--We got Winter's Hearth resounding as the basis for introducing this idea.

-Build on the growth insight, develop a richer conception of growth than personal cultivation power alone. This would be the 'best' fix in the near term that I can imagine.
--We'd need allies and family to be seen as contributing rather than as burdens. The issue is that this is a bit of an externality, we can't force this insight. Fortunately Sixiang is already partway there, they've been invaluable socially and in combat, Ling Qi just hadn't really gotten it put to the test in a tribulation yet.
 
Yeah. It's an important thing to discuss, not just something we can afford to hope will work out on its own.

We really need some way for people weaker than her to give back, as you said. Don't know that it has to be through her aura, specifically, but I'm certainly not claiming that that won't work.

Thinking about it, Sixiang's "loyalty mission" might be a good place to look for ideas; while Six isn't exactly weak at the moment, there were similar questions with regards to "how can they contribute" going on in the background of that, as I recall.
Oh, you misunderstand. "stand in my aura" isn't going to be anything like the right sort of "giving back" to work. It's more that whatever insights she reaches that let her accept this thing and actually gain benefit from it (or whatever) are likely to in turn cause her aura to be modified in this way - to make her someone that is fortified by her family, as well as supporting it herself.

As far as what they can give... okay, well, what *can* they give?

- Her spirits are the easiest. They're directly useful to her, both as direct assistance in various ways and as cultivation aids. They're likely to continue to be so indefinitely. The fact is that she *is* stronger when fighting in a group in a number of ways. The only real problem there is the raw difference in mobility. Actually, having some way to rapidly pull her manifested spirits to her would help a fair bit... especially if we could, say, pull in Zhengui and everyone on him at the time. That's something of a long-term goal, though.

- Her mom is running the household, and provides the nucleus of her eventual clan, which is going to be responsible for a lot of the day-to-day running of her various assets, which is going to be providing a meaningful part of her drug budget. It also helps giver her legitimacy and influence, and a power base that can do various useful things for her that she's not well-suited to do for herself. That's one part of the answer, then... to expand her idea of what power is, and what it means to get stronger. Political influence does matter in this world. Cultivation is a huge part of your ability to both protect the things you care about and visit your will upon the world, but having a barony worth of people that legitimately owe you fealty is a nontrivial asset for both of those things as well. It's not something that comes naturally to her, but it is something that she's being pushed (by the Cai) to learn, and if she can internalize it, the space for family members to go from "annoying distractions on the road of cultivation" to "useful assets that require a bit of support from time to time" gets a *lot* larger.

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Beyond that, I have a sort of half-formed thought that I'm having trouble beating into words. Basically, family isn't just reciprocity. If you cast someone out once they become not useful, it isn't family anymore. There's a homeness and a safety that has to be there or it doesn't work. It's not that Ling Qi should be seeking to get fair payment from everyone in her family - it's that she should be seeking to build a home for all of them, with the idea that the family itself is what rewards her... sort of? It's like, as long as everyone's being mostly taken care of, you shouldn't be counting costs too hard on an individual basis, and that's tied into the idea that family is partially about benefits of cooperation and trust and partially about long-term investment in those that can grow and partially about safety net and paying back old debts while also not losing the value of the remembered lessons of the elderly. Something something?

I'm not sure how to present that all in a particularly straightforward manner, and I *really* don't know how to turn it into something that works for Ling Qi, but it feels like it's basically true, and also important here. Hopefully someone else can do something with it.
 
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[] Approach Alingge first with a friendly greeting. You did say you would introduce her to Zhengui after all. Make a point to discuss what you're trying to work on within hearing of Wang Chao, and then greet him as if you weren't expecting him.

I know the subject has moved on, but I have more observations on this vote and nobody can stop me. Mwahaha.

One of the worries expressed with the above approach is that it's Ling Qi just running away from something she doesn't like, which undermines the purpose of our efforts overall. The reality is more complicated than that. Ling Qi's principle objective is to make nice with Wang Chao as a useful contact for provincial politics, at the moment and more broadly. Her secondary objective is to stop not doing not that. PMR-style practice is a tertiary priority in terms of approaching Wang Chao. I'm going to put aside the question of viability in dissecting what this vote does.

Now, we've seen in previous internal musing from Ling Qi some of her reservations towards socializing with Wang Chao. Of the top of my head, I can remember him not making an impressive first impression, her feeling awkward about trying to make friends with geopolitical goals in mind as the starting motive, and discomfort with approaching someone from a place of weakness or vulnerability. The last one's the biggest, obviously. She likely has trouble with it because she likes to think she's gotten strong and going back to begging favors from those stronger than her stings and worries at her pride, and... because he's a dude. Still has issues and reservations with trust there, when she has other options available to her.

So, like, yes the issues Ling Qi has with going straight up to the guy to ask him a favor are rooted in hangups we're also trying to outgrow. However, when you look at the fundamental dynamics of the situation, that's a distraction from what this plan means. The basic premise with this choice is that there are circumstances to Ling Qi's goals that are disfavourable, so let's change them.

That is, in fact, a big deal. It's huge. Whatever else that may be going into the decision, it's a choice to take an active and proactive hand in recarving the world to a shape more to her liking, and prosecuting her campaign on that new terrain. Rather than just engaging with a problem, it's choosing to wrestle with the problems of the problem. This is the ingredient that, in its absence, lead to a lot of Ling Qi's more lackluster successes and failures: initiative. Ling Qi's problem solving is often placid or uninitiated until forced and down to the wire, which doesn't allow her to put her resources in place to actually be used.

Actually taking an interest in changing the circumstances of an engagement is a huge step forward in being the kind of actor Ling Qi thought she should be in the bloody moon dream, before she balked. She can't go off half-cocked while walking among giants. Even among peers, it's exceedingly foolish unless there is no choice ahead of time. The prep work isn't clearly superior in this specific circumstance, but out of respect for the underlying principle of getting off her ass to Moon-style herself some kind of advantage, I'll change my vote.

[X] Approach Alingge first with a friendly greeting. You did say you would introduce her to Zhengui after all. Make a point to discuss what you're trying to work on within hearing of Wang Chao, and then greet him as if you weren't expecting him.
 
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[X] Approach Alingge first with a friendly greeting. You did say you would introduce her to Zhengui after all. Make a point to discuss what you're trying to work on within hearing of Wang Chao, and then greet him as if you weren't expecting him.

Okay, Abeo.
 
[] Approach Alingge first with a friendly greeting. You did say you would introduce her to Zhengui after all. Make a point to discuss what you're trying to work on within hearing of Wang Chao, and then greet him as if you weren't expecting him.

I know the subject has moved on, but I have more observations on this vote and nobody can stop me. Mwahaha.

One of the worries expressed with the above approach is that it's Ling Qi just running away from something she doesn't like, which undermines the purpose of our efforts overall. The reality is more complicated than that. Ling Qi's principle objective is to make nice with Wang Chao as a useful contact for provincial politics, at the moment and more broadly. Her secondary objective is to stop not doing not that. PMR-style practice is a tertiary priority in terms of approaching Wang Chao. I'm going to put aside the question of viability in dissecting what this vote does.

Now, we've seen in previous internal musing from Ling Qi some of her reservations towards socializing with Wang Chao. Of the top of my head, I can remember him not making an impressive first impression, her feeling awkward about trying to make friends with geopolitical goals in mind as the starting motive, and discomfort with approaching someone from a place of weakness or vulnerability. The last one's the biggest, obviously. She likely has trouble with it because she likes to think she's gotten strong and going back to begging favors from those stronger than her stings and worries at her pride, and... because he's a dude. Still has issues and reservations with trust there, when she has other options available to her.

So, like, yes the issues Ling Qi has with going straight up to the guy to ask him a favor are rooted in hangups we're also trying to outgrow. However, when you look at the fundamental dynamics of the situation, that's a distraction from what this plan means. The basic premise with this choice is that there are circumstances to Ling Qi's goals that are disfavourable, so let's change them.

That is, in fact, a big deal. It's huge. Whatever else that may be going into the decision, it's a choice to take an active and proactive hand in recarving the world to a shape more to her liking, and prosecuting her campaign on that new terrain. Rather than just engaging with a problem, it's choosing to wrestle with the problems of the problem. This is the ingredient that, in its absence, lead to a lot of Ling Qi's more lackluster successes and failures: initiative. Ling Qi's problem solving is often placid or uninitiated until forced and down to the wire, which doesn't allow her to put her resources in place to actually be used.

Actually taking an interest in changing the circumstances of an engagement is a huge step forward in being the kind of actor Ling Qi thought she should be in the bloody moon dream, before she balked. She can't go off half-cocked while walking among giants. Even among peers, it's exceedingly foolish unless there is no choice ahead of time. The prep work isn't clearly superior in this specific circumstance, but out of respect for the underlying principle of getting off her ass to Moon-style herself some kind of advantage, I'll change my vote.

[X] Approach Alingge first with a friendly greeting. You did say you would introduce her to Zhengui after all. Make a point to discuss what you're trying to work on within hearing of Wang Chao, and then greet him as if you weren't expecting him.
While I don't disagree that it's good we're getting options that aren't just "engage with your objective directly", I'll quote what someone else already said:
Oh look, an opportunity for folks to vote to cleverly outwit themselves
We've repeatedly had vote options born not from anything like good planning but from LQ's fear and discomfort, where voting for them wouldn't just be wrong, but would be actively bad in heart-demon terms.

The stakes here probably aren't that high, but even the best outcome, far from guaranteed against someone with stages on us, doesn't look like it's better at the objective ("to make friends with Wang Chao") than just approaching him directly and asking a favor in his field of expertise. Not with what we know of him.
 
It's definitely important to not complicate matters for the sake of complication. On the other hand, how useful on heart demons is smacking Ling Qi's face against unwelcome cliffs until one side cracks? Developing the tools to navigate unfortunate situations and the wherewithal to identify alternate paths is important precisely because of the nature of heart demons as significant conflicts of self induced by one's circumstances.

If the environment is hostile to our philosophies, then we should alter that environment or at the very least foster patterns of behaviour which twist even disastrous happenings towards fitting our values. Presenting ourselves to the environment and hoping for the best is a losing proposition in the medium-long term. Both as a cultivator and as a leader who owes responsibility to friends and family.

As you say, this is a low stake situation where most of this doesn't come into play directly, but either way we take a step on the path. It doesn't matter much, but the foot we favor is at least symbolic.
 
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- Her mom is running the household, and provides the nucleus of her eventual clan, which is going to be responsible for a lot of the day-to-day running of her various assets, which is going to be providing a meaningful part of her drug budget. It also helps giver her legitimacy and influence, and a power base that can do various useful things for her that she's not well-suited to do for herself. That's one part of the answer, then... to expand her idea of what power is, and what it means to get stronger. Political influence does matter in this world. Cultivation is a huge part of your ability to both protect the things you care about and visit your will upon the world, but having a barony worth of people that legitimately owe you fealty is a nontrivial asset for both of those things as well. It's not something that comes naturally to her, but it is something that she's being pushed (by the Cai) to learn, and if she can internalize it, the space for family members to go from "annoying distractions on the road of cultivation" to "useful assets that require a bit of support from time to time" gets a *lot* larger.
I mostly agree with your post, but I'm conflicted on part of this one. The "pushed by the Cai to learn" part, specifically. As players, we intellectually understand that choosing to follow Renxiang carries with it a lot of obligations that will require recruiting and organizing other people to fulfill. In practice, I'm not sure the things the Cai, either Cai, are actually pushing Ling Qi to focus on or accomplish have anything to do with it.

Like, Shenhua's assignment relies purely on personal prowess. Renxiang's assignments have been to play music at gatherings, make nonspecific ties, and a few "Be friendly to X" targets with no followup. The sect exists as a center of learning which could prepare us for administration and all the other things we didn't learn for want of a noble upbringing, but Shenhua's assignment makes that difficult to infeasible, and definitely doesn't focus on or reward it.

I agree there's pressure towards institution building/wielding in abstract from the Cai, but to say there's been any push from them doesn't seem correct. At the moment, I'd go so far as to observe they're pushing Ling Qi away from the relevant expertise. It doesn't help that our relationship to the Cai is so weird, with our efforts so small our rewards are tied to essentially arbitrary conditions rather than materially significant efforts, including our efforts at building independent political or economic influence.

But I could definitely be forgetting things. How do you think the Cai are driving Ling Qi to improve in this area?

I agree

So don't shoot yourself in it, obviously :V
Ling Qi should have taken the scar TRF insight. Then, shooting herself in the foot would be unambiguously a good thing!
 
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I agree there's pressure towards institution building/wielding in abstract from the Cai, but to say there's been any push from them doesn't seem correct. At the moment, I'd go so far as to observe they're pushing Ling Qi away from the relevant expertise. It doesn't help that our relationship to the Cai is so weird, with our efforts so small our rewards are tied to essentially arbitrary conditions rather than materially significant efforts, including our efforts at building independent political or economic influence.

But I could definitely be forgetting things. How do you think the Cai are driving Ling Qi to improve in this area?
CRX has been pushing us to get into politics, to understand and wield social power, and so forth. That's what I was referring to - the fact that Ling Qi now has political influence, and CRX is pushing her to accept that and wield it actively on her behalf, with the clear implication that these are just the first steps, and that this part of her lie is only going to become more meaningful as she goes. It's clear that properly serving the Cai is going to require being active in the political realm, and properly serving the Cai is directly responsible for a rather large chunk of our drug budget.
 
I was reading over the archives, and I have had a thought. Se saw a note, when we decided not to send Mom away, that Ling Qi could feel a snarl in her psyche unsnarling and relaxing away. It was a heart-demon dodged. We've had another case where there's dissonance between some of our principles, and we've had an insight that at least helps with one of them. Okay. So one of the big things going on here is that Ling Qi needs a coherent worldview, and a vision of her place in that world that fits in with that world view. It's a thing she *needs*. So... maybe we should work on coming up with one? Or at least a rough pathway forward? It's gotta help, right? If nothing else, it'll let us spot when insights and things of like nature help things move along mroe smoothly or snarl things up worse. We're going to have more decisions in the future that could go either way, after all.

At a basic level, our current dissonance is between Ling Qi's need to continually drive forward (and by now it *is* a Need. She has chosen it willingly. She will never be rid of it) and her embrace of a family - many of whom simply cannot keep up with her. Her Mom is vanishingly unlikely to ever make it out of Red/Gold. Most of her allies will not be able to maintain her rate of advancement. At some point she will marry, and it is highly likely that whoever she does marry won't be able to keep up with her either. She will have children, and most of those children will not show the same talent she has, nor the desperate, hungry drive. Her sister... who knows how much talent she has? Still, though, all of these people are her family. Her dissonance is fundamentally that if she does not make them part of her life, then they're not really family, but if they can't give her back something important, then all they are is barriers on the path to cultivation, and she's already decided that she refuses to be drowned in those. So... how can they give back? Her mom, her sister, her children, those of her friends that she slowly outstrips - what's the payoff at the core that makes the relationship more than one-sided, that makes it worthwhile for her hypermotivated cultivation aspect to spend the time to maintain and nurture those relationships?

I don't think that Ling Qi has thought of it that way, consciously, because it's a kind of cold way to think of your family, but that's what she needs, I think, to make it all work. I imagine it's the sort of insight/precept/realization/approach that would result in having allies in her aura also give benefits back to her.

Thoughts?

I think that the best archetype to pursue in order to deal with our current heart demon would be that of the pathfinder/trailblazer. One who can go on ahead then come back with insights that help others to advance. I think this harmonizes well with our FVM insight. Add an element of allowing others to find their own hearths, growing from the insight that a single person's desires do not a family make, and I think we have something coherent. We can show the way, and we can help those that want to keep up to do so, without forcing those close to us to walk a path they don't want to.

The heart demon showed up because Zenghui and Hanyi asked not to be left behind. If we can contextualize our growth as not leaving them behind*, that will help.

* The greater resources that come with our growth can help them to grow. We can leverage what we've learned about the advantages that the children of established clans gain to feed into this narrative.


CRX has been pushing us to get into politics, to understand and wield social power, and so forth. That's what I was referring to - the fact that Ling Qi now has political influence, and CRX is pushing her to accept that and wield it actively on her behalf, with the clear implication that these are just the first steps, and that this part of her lie is only going to become more meaningful as she goes. It's clear that properly serving the Cai is going to require being active in the political realm, and properly serving the Cai is directly responsible for a rather large chunk of our drug budget.

The paths I chart are many and varied.

I can forsee a potential conflict with the trailblazer path: if being the trailblazer becomes an obligation, then it could clash with Ling Qi's desire to cultivate/explore/make art for herself.
I think the key, something that a WHR insight might be particularly well suited to building towards, is the idea of going forth and coming back.
 
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Beyond that, I have a sort of half-formed thought that I'm having trouble beating into words. Basically, family isn't just reciprocity. If you cast someone out once they become not useful, it isn't family anymore. There's a homeness and a safety that has to be there or it doesn't work. It's not that Ling Qi should be seeking to get fair payment from everyone in her family - it's that she should be seeking to build a home for all of them, with the idea that the family itself is what rewards her... sort of? It's like, as long as everyone's being mostly taken care of, you shouldn't be counting costs too hard on an individual basis, and that's tied into the idea that family is partially about benefits of cooperation and trust and partially about long-term investment in those that can grow and partially about safety net and paying back old debts while also not losing the value of the remembered lessons of the elderly. Something something?

I'm not sure how to present that all in a particularly straightforward manner, and I *really* don't know how to turn it into something that works for Ling Qi, but it feels like it's basically true, and also important here. Hopefully someone else can do something with it.

Spirits aren't just individuals, they are also their domains. We also know that cultivators become increasingly spirit-like as they grow in power. We see the beginning of this in how Ling Qi felt her awareness expand throughout the room when she put FVM in her domain weapon.

So what's Ling Qi's domain? Her connections to those around her. Building up and supporting her friends and family is a significant part of her cultivation and will only grow more so in time as her domain becomes more powerful and important to her cultivation.

What does Ling Qi see family as? A collection of wills that go on lonely journeys that end up providing something beautiful for everyone. This is basically what Xiulan is currently doing, after all, and we've seen the same sort of dynamic happen between Ling Qi and her mother at the start of the story. There's even some hints of this starting to happen with Hanyi's nascent music career. Of course they aren't going to all be master cultivators. If they were then Ling Qi's journey wouldn't be a lonely one.

If we must make it reciprocal (and I think that's a mistake) their gift is the most valuable of all: different perspectives.
 
[X] Stick to the original plan, you can chat with Alingge when she inevitably comes to see Zhengui, but there's really no need to complicate things. Approach Wang Chao, greet and chat politely, ask for his help.
 
CRX has been pushing us to get into politics, to understand and wield social power, and so forth. That's what I was referring to - the fact that Ling Qi now has political influence, and CRX is pushing her to accept that and wield it actively on her behalf, with the clear implication that these are just the first steps, and that this part of her lie is only going to become more meaningful as she goes. It's clear that properly serving the Cai is going to require being active in the political realm, and properly serving the Cai is directly responsible for a rather large chunk of our drug budget.
Has she though? At the start of the year, she told us to make friends with Xuan Shi and make other ties as we wont. That's political in the broadest possible sense, but only that, and she didn't followup on any of it. There was also a bit with our music talents being put to use in the social arena, but that also didn't go anywhere notable, and Ling Qi very clearly hasn't been engaging with her audience or investing consideration to the impact of her songs' themes or anything. When Ling Qi did try being proactively socially engaged at one of Renxiang's parties, the girl's mildly surprised response and followup made it clear she'd been deliberately not involving Ling Qi in those sorts of things.

The Bao Qian and Wang Chao inquiries are more directed, which is a good thing, but still light on the kind of context that might help us learn how things work. Why exactly does Renxiang care about their information? It's cool if it's just wanting to be armed with as much info as she can get, but it would be nice to know if there were specific mysteries she was hoping to solve with the missing information. It sometimes feels like she's trying to wield us like an instrument that actually knows what it's doing or what's going on, which is a whoopsie.

Maybe she's been so overworked she didn't think she had time to babysit Ling Qi and now she has no choice? It would be a pretty silly rationale given the low risks of the Inner Sect, but it wouldn't be indefensible.
 
Has she though? At the start of the year, she told us to make friends with Xuan Shi and make other ties as we wont. That's political in the broadest possible sense, but only that, and she didn't followup on any of it. There was also a bit with our music talents being put to use in the social arena, but that also didn't go anywhere notable, and Ling Qi very clearly hasn't been engaging with her audience or investing consideration to the impact of her songs' themes or anything. When Ling Qi did try being proactively socially engaged at one of Renxiang's parties, the girl's mildly surprised response and followup made it clear she'd been deliberately not involving Ling Qi in those sorts of things.

The Bao Qian and Wang Chao inquiries are more directed, which is a good thing, but still light on the kind of context that might help us learn how things work. Why exactly does Renxiang care about their information? It's cool if it's just wanting to be armed with as much info as she can get, but it would be nice to know if there were specific mysteries she was hoping to solve with the missing information. It sometimes feels like she's trying to wield us like an instrument that actually knows what it's doing or what's going on, which is a whoopsie.

Maybe she's been so overworked she didn't think she had time to babysit Ling Qi and now she has no choice? It would be a pretty silly rationale given the low risks of the Inner Sect, but it wouldn't be indefensible.

Why don't we get some quotes to clarify things.
Cai Renxiang gave her a curt nod of acknowledgement. "I require you to make friends with Wang Chao. His clan is making aggressive rumblings as well, and I worry that they are beginning to drift from the Cai families orbit. While their connections to the Diao are well and fine, the Prime Minister will not be matriarch forever."
"You're trying to brush up on tactics right? You should ask him for advice. People always like to feel learned, and it's easy to feel positively toward someone who asks for your help," Sixiang whispered.

Ling Qi grunted in response. It wasn't the first time Sixiang had suggested that since they had 'returned' but it kind of irked her pride. He had been rather dismissive of her at the party. Approaching from a position of weakness didn't sit right with her.
As the sinister hand of CRX, LQ is going to have to get more involved in the political landscape. Buddying up with Chao is an initial step in that.
 
[X] Stick to the original plan, you can chat with Alingge when she inevitably comes to see Zhengui, but there's really no need to complicate things. Approach Wang Chao, greet and chat politely, ask for his help.
 
One thing I'd like to add to the Domain discussion is that the SCS insight is specifically There is no peace in emptiness, no content in stillness. Stagnation is death; act, change, move, think, and grow until the very end. Nothing in there says that Ling Qi has to charge forward at all costs - which, as she has finally figured out, is actually an excellent way to stunt her growth. Additionally, Ling Qi's blind rush for power did not involve much changing or thinking.

I'm actually rather disappointed in how Ling Qi handled this Insight - it made sense with her mindset, but when I voted for it I read it as clearly being about adaptability and character development, rather than base strength.

I think what Ling Qi needs to realize is not only that much of what appears to slow her down now will in fact make her stronger long-term, which has already been discussed, but also to recast her understanding of her insight into something much more holistic than raw power. That will be especially important here in Green, where cultivation growth relies on character growth - and character growth is the thing Ling Qi continues to have the most trouble with.
 
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