That's the whole reason for relatives and subordinates to go to the same institutions
Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
[] Plan Cheerful Muse -[] 4 Dex* (8/40), 2 Presence** (12/40), 4 Manip** (20/40), 4 Comp** (28/40)
-[] 3 Empathy*** (31/40), 4 Speech*** (35/40), 1 Spirit Ken*** (36/40)
-[] 1 Woodwind*** (38/40), 1 Vanishing** (40/40)
[] Plan Sneaky Moon -[] 4 Dex* (8/40), 2 Presence** (12/40), 4 Manip** (20/40), 4 Comp** (28/40)
-[] 4 Speech*** (32/40), 1 Spirit Ken*** (33/40), 3 Government** (36/40)
-[] 1 Woodwind*** (38/40), 1 Vanishing** (40/40)
Here are the skill plans I made for plans
Also believe that it is best if PMR and MSS are to be trained together. It helps yrs upgrade the techs in tandem of each other
-[] 3 Empathy*** (31/40), 4 Speech*** (35/40), 1 Spirit Ken*** (36/40)
-[] 1 Woodwind*** (38/40), 1 Vanishing** (40/40)
[] Plan Sneaky Moon -[] 4 Dex* (8/40), 2 Presence** (12/40), 4 Manip** (20/40), 4 Comp** (28/40)
-[] 4 Speech*** (32/40), 1 Spirit Ken*** (33/40), 3 Government** (36/40)
-[] 1 Woodwind*** (38/40), 1 Vanishing** (40/40)
Here are the skill plans I made for plans
Also believe that it is best if PMR and MSS are to be trained together. It helps yrs upgrade the techs in tandem of each other
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Jensaarai
Sing Victory Everlasting
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Well shit, now she's really not going to wear anything else.
I'm liking how our little snappy symbiote-gown kid has grown.
- Location
- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
Honestly, it seems like part of the play involved in Cai's pivot from centralized imperial supporter to the Bai-Xuan axis.
She stole an Elder's seat in a Great Sect along the way.
- Location
- The Temple of the Winds
what's the goal of these plans ?
i see the difference is 3govenment vs 3empathy but i'm unsure why we'd want those in particular (specially government), and more specifically why we'd want those above other skills.
@yrsillar said on discord that the main reason he isn't one is that he spends too much time away from the Sect - but once he reaches Violet then they kinda have to make him an Elder or it looks silly.
Pibo lives! And has lived this entire time... Damn it! Anyway Ling Qi is never taking off that gown and there's nothing they can do and she's going to be smug about it.
Pibo lives! The vote was not for naught! And Meizhen sort of got us jewelry like we gave her.
I kind of feel sorry for Shenhua. She's impulsive for a fashion and once she makes a conscious decision she's mentally unable to reverse or regret. Imagine having a child because one would be useful and then being unable to stop thinking about them as a tool rather than something to be loved and cherished. She values being ones own self but was unable to let her own child become her own person. Shenhua is not unaware of her faults, she had Renxiang so she would have someone more emphatic than her, so one can only hope that she lets herself love her second daughter like she didn't Renxiang. For all three of their sake.
On the vote side I think I'd rather choose MoSS at the moment. Choosing an Art because it's arguably better over a more thematic choice never sat well with me. Ling Qi choosing Spirit Ken alongside her first social Art seems appropriate and while PMR fits wonderfully as Ling Qi's first social MSS feels more like what she should be once she's tried out this new perspective on socializing. She shouldn't become able to help her allies in social situations immediately, she needs to take a first step before she takes a second and she needs to build Rapport before she causes mischief. If both choices could be situationally good then I'd rather start with the one that sounds more like Ling Qi.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I think thematic wise it makes much more sense to get MSS + MoSS than PMR+MSS right now, and it fits better meridian wise. MSS+MoSS means we can have HDW5 + CDE+ + one of MoSS/MSS (and they are arts that are good for different situations) equipped, while we can't do that with PMR, as PMR need an extra head (and we have the extra heart already).
Thematic wise, it's because right now Ling Qi should be more about learning how to support other people in talks and make sure not to mess up, not try to make new friends. She is in damage control mode... and, well, the MSS lessons is just so good to me.
Thematic wise, it's because right now Ling Qi should be more about learning how to support other people in talks and make sure not to mess up, not try to make new friends. She is in damage control mode... and, well, the MSS lessons is just so good to me.
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- Location
- United States of America
Just got out of work, but I'm excited about the chapter! And Oh-boy that talisman is looking pretty sharp. With SES, our opponents have to use B rank dispells, and with this talisman, they now have to use A rank dispells. And each dispel we eat makes it harder for them to dispel later.
Which means that in addition to granting us three charges with which to eat dispels, as the fight progresses we will have +30 resist. Which is going to supercharge our resist. It'll be fun to spar with Cai Renxiang with this talisman on.
Which means that in addition to granting us three charges with which to eat dispels, as the fight progresses we will have +30 resist. Which is going to supercharge our resist. It'll be fun to spar with Cai Renxiang with this talisman on.
- Location
- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
When one takes into consideration the normal ages at various life milestones, she's probably the only Immortal to ever have their first child as a White.
It's amazing that Renxiang is as human as she is.
EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
the purpose of that is to complement either PMR or MSS
Empathy helps with our Social Perception, while Government helps with politics & administration (which is good in general). It is made to complement the plan votes
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HDW5 is irrelevant atm, since we don't have it. And we're going to be needing to hammer on more meridians in the coming turns anyway so that shouldn't be a problem.
The damage control Ling Qi needs right now though is making people like her and getting on with them - not being a spy. Learning how to support others right now is also not that useful since she's generally on her own trying to build connections.
Diomedea
A piece of the continent
- Location
- The interblag
- Pronouns
- She/Her
As I understand it, the plans are focusing mostly on social skills and attributes because we're getting some really good social keywords here regardless of the art we end up going with and mirror basin bonus. It's also thematically appropriate. The change between Empathy and Government is because MSS lacks Empathy as a keyword as one of the few areas where there isn't overlap. Government's purpose is to help get Ling Qi more background knowledge for these social situations with nobles, I believe. Empathy is close to capping so...
I think the best way of looking at the difference here is if you are voting for PMR at all (PMR + MoSS, or PMR + MSS), you should support the PMR plan to get Empathy capped. If you don't want PMR at all (or don't care about capping empathy?), the second plan should be what you go with between those two.
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- Location
- The Space Between
if we're to assume that everything that was said is earnest, sincere and truthful. Well. We're in the right service to embrace sincerity and honesty as our social tactic.
Shenhua is unable to deny the self nor regret the actions of self, a potent but painfully honest and sincere way to go. We're unlikely to learn any arts of Shenhua's Way directly, but we could explore what social arts she trained in when she was younger. It would be interesting, I think, to ask after that and try and pick one of those up. Bold truth is a great "go for the throat" offensive option to strike out from the defensive and supportive arts we'll be cultivating. This endeavor would likely require some set-up, and we shouldn't be so concerned about social offense right now, but it's a great path to explore going forward I think.
The uncle also seems like he may be willing to help, if he is still in the next scene we can ask him. Otherwise, we could visit next we need advice on CRX. An interesting uncle that one, and a very human contact in the camp of our Duchess. He might have an idea of what sincere arts we could train.
Shenhua is unable to deny the self nor regret the actions of self, a potent but painfully honest and sincere way to go. We're unlikely to learn any arts of Shenhua's Way directly, but we could explore what social arts she trained in when she was younger. It would be interesting, I think, to ask after that and try and pick one of those up. Bold truth is a great "go for the throat" offensive option to strike out from the defensive and supportive arts we'll be cultivating. This endeavor would likely require some set-up, and we shouldn't be so concerned about social offense right now, but it's a great path to explore going forward I think.
The uncle also seems like he may be willing to help, if he is still in the next scene we can ask him. Otherwise, we could visit next we need advice on CRX. An interesting uncle that one, and a very human contact in the camp of our Duchess. He might have an idea of what sincere arts we could train.
EternalObserver
eYe Gaze baCk
- Location
- The Void
[X] Plan: All the options
-[X] Medium Pills (free)
-[X] Resources: 12 GSS, 8 YSS (4 free GSS, 8 from cash, 8 free YSS) , EPC Drip on Spiritual Cultivation
-[X] Spiritual Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Physical Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Songseeker Ceremony (3 AP)
-[X] Argent Genesis (2 AP)
-[X] Meridian (2 AP; 4 Head Meridians)
-[X] CDE+ (1 AP)
-[X] Social 1 (1 AP) (Social 1 is the art with the most social votes)
-[X] Social 2 (1 AP) (Social 2 is the art with the second most social votes)
-[X] Xiao Fen (1 AP)
-[X] Family (1 AP)
-[X] Equip Three Moon's Chime, unequip Fleeting Moonlight Shawl
[X][CDE+] Roaming Moon's Eye
[X][Social] Playful Muse's Rapport
[X][Social] Moonless Saboteur's Smile
[X] Plan Cheerful Muse
-[X] 4 Dex* (8/40), 2 Presence** (12/40), 4 Manip** (20/40), 4 Comp** (28/40)
-[X] 3 Empathy*** (31/40), 4 Speech*** (35/40), 1 Spirit Ken*** (36/40)
-[X] 1 Woodwind*** (38/40), 1 Vanishing** (40/40)
-[X] Medium Pills (free)
-[X] Resources: 12 GSS, 8 YSS (4 free GSS, 8 from cash, 8 free YSS) , EPC Drip on Spiritual Cultivation
-[X] Spiritual Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Physical Cultivation (4 AP)
-[X] Songseeker Ceremony (3 AP)
-[X] Argent Genesis (2 AP)
-[X] Meridian (2 AP; 4 Head Meridians)
-[X] CDE+ (1 AP)
-[X] Social 1 (1 AP) (Social 1 is the art with the most social votes)
-[X] Social 2 (1 AP) (Social 2 is the art with the second most social votes)
-[X] Xiao Fen (1 AP)
-[X] Family (1 AP)
-[X] Equip Three Moon's Chime, unequip Fleeting Moonlight Shawl
[X][CDE+] Roaming Moon's Eye
[X][Social] Playful Muse's Rapport
[X][Social] Moonless Saboteur's Smile
[X] Plan Cheerful Muse
-[X] 4 Dex* (8/40), 2 Presence** (12/40), 4 Manip** (20/40), 4 Comp** (28/40)
-[X] 3 Empathy*** (31/40), 4 Speech*** (35/40), 1 Spirit Ken*** (36/40)
-[X] 1 Woodwind*** (38/40), 1 Vanishing** (40/40)
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
MSS is not 'being a spy'. MSS is making sure people don't dislike her, and helping her allies to be liked. She is rarely on her own trying to build connections when in social gatherings, in fact. Almost every time we are doing something social we are with multiple people around us, include both those we like and those we know less.
HDW5 is not irrelevant unless you are thinking of giving up on getting it, considering HDW5 is actually going to be our bread and butter social arts until Green 4/5. It has out only screen tech (unless we train MSI), and it gives some very potent social boosts to boot. As such, we are likely, until turn 12 or so, going to be using HDW5/MSS in social events.... unless we either scrunch HDW meridians, or open a ninths head meridians.
I thought we wouldn't want to open more head meridians right now considering how much differing meridians types we have to open in the short term.
Basically, PMR neither fit what Ling Qi's social style should be, nor does it fit what she can use without investing even more into head meridians/scrunching in the next few turns when we are already in AP hell.
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[x][CDE+] Roaming Moon's Eye
[x][Social] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers
[x][Social] Moonless Saboteur's Smile
[x] Plan Sneaky Moon
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[X] Plan: All the options
[X][CDE+] Casual Diviner's Poise
[X][Social] Playful Muse's Rapport
[x][Social] Moonless Saboteur's Smile
[X] Plan Cheerful Muse
[X][CDE+] Casual Diviner's Poise
[X][Social] Playful Muse's Rapport
[x][Social] Moonless Saboteur's Smile
[X] Plan Cheerful Muse
[x] Plan: All the options
[x][CDE+] Casual Diviner's Poise
[x][Social] Playful Muse's Rapport
[x][Social] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers
[x] Plan Cheerful Muse
[x][CDE+] Casual Diviner's Poise
[x][Social] Playful Muse's Rapport
[x][Social] Melodies of the Spirit Seekers
[x] Plan Cheerful Muse
- Location
- The Space Between
as for the monthly planning, empathy seems a good plan to go as a song-seeker. The arts are stories, and stories rely more on feelings as truth than objective fact as truth. Empathy should directly connect with our capacity to relate and empathize with others, find ways to connect with them or understand them that may not be possible without it.
No matter what plan we choose, I would throw my support behind an Empathy based one. Sincerity without empathy is exactly what Shenhua has identified as a weakness of hers, and is also exactly what she hopes CRX will develop. We should learn empathy as well, because there is no easier path to become closer to CRX than to travel with her on not just her path of ascension but her path of greater empathy and understanding.
To build on that point: CRX has been given the tools and facts necessary to govern without the experience or peer-to-peer interaction that is often necessary for humble understanding of others. She has identified this as a weakness in herself, and the fact that CRX perseverates or comments on this weakness to the point that Meizhen worries that CRX will become static is . . . well we should worry too. Shenhua can identify that weakness in herself but saw no way to compensate but to have a child that would hopefully be able to. If CRX keeps bringing up this mistake, I believe it's because she hasn't found a solution for the root of the problem despite probably being able to dodge that exact set-up in the future.
The root of the problem was that she was blind to the feelings and charged emotions that were flying around, and made a rational call with the limited information she could gather. If she's looking to solve this root blindness she needs to be able to see, but sometimes you don't know what you don't know right? You know so little, and have so little context that you don't know where to even start learning? What books can teach CRX this compassion and empathy? What tutors exist that specialize in caring for the small?
She is looking around, in her formative books, in her allies, in her interactions with subordinates, for the rules and regulations of Empathy and Caring. My argument for increasing our empathy is that we can't help her if we don't recognize her problems for what they are. Though we are unlikely to be some sort of moral tutor, if we recognize CRX's struggle to find the laws of morality/compassion we might be able to point to people that can help.
No matter what plan we choose, I would throw my support behind an Empathy based one. Sincerity without empathy is exactly what Shenhua has identified as a weakness of hers, and is also exactly what she hopes CRX will develop. We should learn empathy as well, because there is no easier path to become closer to CRX than to travel with her on not just her path of ascension but her path of greater empathy and understanding.
To build on that point: CRX has been given the tools and facts necessary to govern without the experience or peer-to-peer interaction that is often necessary for humble understanding of others. She has identified this as a weakness in herself, and the fact that CRX perseverates or comments on this weakness to the point that Meizhen worries that CRX will become static is . . . well we should worry too. Shenhua can identify that weakness in herself but saw no way to compensate but to have a child that would hopefully be able to. If CRX keeps bringing up this mistake, I believe it's because she hasn't found a solution for the root of the problem despite probably being able to dodge that exact set-up in the future.
The root of the problem was that she was blind to the feelings and charged emotions that were flying around, and made a rational call with the limited information she could gather. If she's looking to solve this root blindness she needs to be able to see, but sometimes you don't know what you don't know right? You know so little, and have so little context that you don't know where to even start learning? What books can teach CRX this compassion and empathy? What tutors exist that specialize in caring for the small?
She is looking around, in her formative books, in her allies, in her interactions with subordinates, for the rules and regulations of Empathy and Caring. My argument for increasing our empathy is that we can't help her if we don't recognize her problems for what they are. Though we are unlikely to be some sort of moral tutor, if we recognize CRX's struggle to find the laws of morality/compassion we might be able to point to people that can help.