so based on this i made a mass producible suicide drone for us to use that would carry 152 kilos of high explosive. basicly going "anything you can do I can do better!" to the fed suns.
If we need to deliver large amounts of explosives I think we can just invest in cruise missile refinements. Unlike the FedSuns we have the R&D chops and advanced electronics to make some scary long range missiles, and that's before adding IP warheads. Suicide drones might work better as a form of smart mines. Build a stealthy unit that some power armored infantry can partially bury and have it suddenly burst up and scream towards a hostile.
If we need to deliver large amounts of explosives I think we can just invest in cruise missile refinements. Unlike the FedSuns we have the R&D chops and advanced electronics to make some scary long range missiles, and that's before adding IP warheads. Suicide drones might work better as a form of smart mines. Build a stealthy unit that some power armored infantry can partially bury and have it suddenly burst up and scream towards a hostile.
the Razorblade is a scaled up take on the RL Switchblades. also Battletech cruise missles are a form of dumbfire artllery with one third the range of the razorblade.
the Razorblade is a scaled up take on the RL Switchblades. also Battletech cruise missles are a form of dumbfire artllery with 1 third the range of the razorblade.
I was thinking of more RL cruise missiles than the BT variant which are pretty disappointing. Drones make sense for smaller strikes that need exceptional maneuverability, but something like a mech or tank buster is big enough that you want it on a high speed missile.
Due to time constraints, this vote will happen tomorrow as I'll need to go through and grab all the latest flags from people. We'll do it as a normal vote and hopefully end up with a neat flag for the ORDI by the end of it.
410kg missile, 125kg warhead, up to 550km range. Smart capability (be guided to target, select target from list, have wave off capability) is possible on such missiles as well. I don't think BT rules map well to making munitions like that. BT in general suffers from a need to make reality conform to the needs of giant robots.
I would recommend not to trade with the Fedsuns or the FWL, even less the Combine.
Trade with the Lyrans should be politically acceptable.
As far as the 3rd rate Space Romans go I'd rather hand their systems to the MoC, maaaaaybe a few to Lothian League IF they join ORDI?
My thinking is it that forcing the MoC to look that way will give Helghan more time to chomp up open real estate on their side of the MoC border.
Should start diplomacy with the Lothians and Illyrian Palatinate when done with the Marians, get them to join ORDI.
There is also Niops between FWL and Marian border, they have a star league data core but their government is shyte.
With the slavers put down and if the Lothians and Illyrians join/friendly with ORDI, the last loose end on this side of Terra would be Circinus Federation a pirate state that needs to be put down for well being pirates. -> Cede systems to Illyrians and Lothians, with that done ORDI will have internal trade routes to the Lyrans, not to-mention a staging area for when the clanners show up.
We've traded with everyone bar the FS, with the Combine only noncombat items.
I would hesitate to expand ORDI that far for now. Our ability to project power throughout our own territory for defense would definitely suffer if we became a very long, skinny polity. If/when we have x5 the travel speed of jump drives via Adv Warp that's an option. Right now... not so much. Most of those polities have nothing to really offer us, they're periphery backwaters doing subsistence agriculture and manufacturing. We'd end up sinking a ton of resources into them for nothing, and at the end of a long supply chain. If we want to do charity polity expansion the Fronc Reaches region has plenty of candidates.
Niops would be fun to run across. Iirc they may or may not be very well known within the local area; they didn't start actively interacting mich with the IS, according to Sarna, until the 3060s and they don't have an HPG so ComStar might not even know they exist. They have Nighthawks which argues they have Stealth Armor. I'd love to have that.
It's a shame nobody has managed to come up with a flag as iconic as the OFN or even the NATO one for ORDI so far. It'd be hilarious to have it turn into something equivalent, if only for the excuse to use the sublimation song everywhere when ORDI gets involved in a conflict with another great power.
Also the logo that you slap on the side of buildings. ORDI because everyone speaks Star League English. IDBE because IIRC the Taurians also speak Spanish and I don't want anybody to be excluded.
And the Logo that you stamp onto official documents and other stuff that you need a crest, name, and motto for.
I was thinking of more RL cruise missiles than the BT variant which are pretty disappointing. Drones make sense for smaller strikes that need exceptional maneuverability, but something like a mech or tank buster is big enough that you want it on a high speed missile.
Very much so. Given that we have autonomous combat robots we should be able to do things as simple as "inertial guided cruise missile to preset coordinates with terminal guidance via image recognition."
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It's bare, so if anyone wants to help, I'll be grateful.
Since the flag competition is ending soon, this is my final submission for the flag competition.
In design, I've tried to stick with the Battletech standard of flags as an emblem or crest on a monocolour field. This is to add some complexity just to be more in line with other emblems we see. Even our own flag is the rose and wheat stalks on a red field.
The symbolism is largely the same: within the ring, we have the red fist representing resistance to imperialism and tyranny, a foundational element of the national narratives of all ORDI members (for the Helghan, the First Extrasolar War and the Helghan Civil War; for the Canopians and Taurians, the Reunification War and the Periphery Uprising; for the Aurigans, the Aurigan Civil War and the Directorate era). The other stars generally represent our homelands and people/citizenry, protected by the iron ring and starfort of the alliance.
The dark blue field is supposed to represent the night sky and space.
The grey ring and the six pointed star together are meant to evoke the image of a star fort. The grey ring itself represents the "wall of iron" that our combined militaries represent in the name of collective defense.
The six points, on the other hand, represent the peaceful pillars of cooperation that led to the formation of ORDI:
1) Research cooperation
2) Free trade
3) Educational exchange
4) Human rights values
5) Interstellar communications
6) Law enforcement
All of those being fields of cooperation that formed prior to or were key to forming ORDI--for example, during the Aurigan Civil War the periphery powers cooperated to monitor human rights issues and war crimes. Furthermore, the major periphery powers are markedly more democratic than the Inner Sphere.
I also pointedly avoiding using the 4 or 8 pointed stars because those are reminiscent of the Cameron Star of the imperialistic Star League.
Conveniently, the anti-imperialism message could resonate with the Capellans when they join as full members--their own founding narrative places the Confederation as an alliance of minor powers banding together and "doing what is needed" in order to resist Davion aggression.
I don't know sounds a little cruel to do to someone - us
You are more than fine giving them radiation and melting them and whatever else your space Rock magic oogly boogly does to them how is this different at all! - the Taurians
Ah flag competition here is the final iteration of my flag, after slogging trough a bazilion colour schemes.
So I wanted at most 3 colours and a design preschooler could paint. Also an easily recognizable central symbol, I think i suceeded.
I also took some inspiration from others and for example appropriated the 6 pillars, from @Genolution i think. I just represented those with a hexagon for stability and the like.
In general the symbolism is:
Stars(star) of the outer rim (curved line and star/compass with 6 points for 3d because we are in space) united behind the 6 pillars (Hexagon) defensive alliance (2x3 pointed stars reminds of caltrops or a spiky tanktrap, so dont poke it you are just gona hurt yourself).
As for the colours i went with dry earth/goldish glow, for potential. Also i played to much deserts of kharak.
As for red ,well red can be a lot of things. Red can be associated with war, sacrifice, aggression, danger, courage, hatred, love, health, live, socialism and more. Whatever it stands for, it is bold and active, changing things.
Uhh she did kinda use chemical weapons on the Tauria Concordant. Kinda the whole point of the Taurian involement in the game was caused by her and her father commiting war crimes and framing the Suns.
Hey, her dad murdered a lot of people and took all the blame himself to make sure his daughter got away with her false flag attacks in this timeline. Have some respect for his efforts
She literally served a fascist dictator responsible for genocide and war crimes, she aided in the usurpation of and attempted murder of her friend and ruler, and given the fascist responsible was literally her father she was definitely in his inner circle and fully aware of things like the deliberate gassing of Taurian civilians to provoke the TC.
She's a full on war criminal. There is no 'sins of the father are the sins of the son' bullshit going on here. This is one of the most absurd 'she was just following orders' I've seen in a while
None of which happened in this TL. And if your reasoning is she was part of the Directorate then guess what literally every other House in the AC also needs to be held to the same standards. They joined and supported the Directorate and some of them did it willingly. Again she has done nothing but what is normal in this universe. All of which doesn't matter as she is part of the enemy faction for the AC so they don't like her but the Republic has no reason to care or be upset about her living her life outside the AC.
There is a neat thing about Alphard, despite it being mostly a badlands world, its even now most likely got like something like 2 billion to potentially nearing 3 billion people (Total Population of the hegemony is somewhere around a potential 5-11 billion from 3025 to 3070). Also for the most part the Standard of living for both civilians and slaves oddly is very high, for a Periphery world anyway. This means that simply taking over the place isn't as easy as toppling the Slave owners, since i bet the large majority of the population aren't slaves, but rather full citizens who would object to a hostile takeover. The other systems we took over this turn, however, most likely have far higher slave populations and were thus easier to take over. But the closer we got to Alphard itself, the harder it would be to pacify the previously independent citizens of the hegemony.
This won't be like Caliban with its 300k population and shit conditions. The hegemony is a Modern state that genuinely does give its citizens a high standard of living to keep them from questioning the fact they deal in slaves. And weirdly before they went all conquest, they here considered by their neighbors to be close trade partners and an industrial hub in the area. Taking them down might crash the local economy and sour relations with the other two nations north of the Hegemony. And let's not forget they aren't clean either, ones a genuine Pirate state who also trades in slaves, and the other while descendants of the Taurians they honestly are isolationists for the past 2 centuries who'd rather not get involved (although the Illyrian Palatinate would be willing to hear their Concordant relatives out.). So really as far as they care, us attacking the Hegemony is an act of aggression towards them regardless of the Hegemony being a slave state.
Of coure the hegemony later went to conquor them later, but thats almost a decade away and they where shocked that the hegemony did that given their chill and "peacfull" realtions, or at least as peacefull as three pirate states could be with each other next to the FWL. Its far more compliacted then this, but the point is its not as cut and dry as us Rimward nations believe.
Also as of right now the Circinus Federation and Illyrian Palatinate just had a warlike a few years ago (with the Cirinus still dealing with rebels as of this year), so uh, they aren't gonna be that receptive our calls.
Edit: forgot the Lothian League exists, yeah they couldn't give a shit about what happens to the Hegemony on acount of their pirate raids, but they arent really in a position to help us either on account of their worlds being ice planets.
The most likely outcome for the Marians is that most if not all the top and mid top level officials are removed from power one way or another. And either local puppets/sympathizers to the MoC/ORDI will replace them. That or new leaders from the MoC/ORDI will be brought in to take over. The Marians are going to be a puppet state no matter what in the end. But with most of the mid and lower levels of the administration still run by the locals it won't cut them out.
The most likely outcome for the Marians is that most if not all the top and mid top level officials are removed from power one way or another. And either local puppets/sympathizers to the MoC/ORDI will replace them. That or new leaders from the MoC/ORDI will be brought in to take over. The Marians are going to be a puppet state no matter what in the end. But with most of the mid and lower levels of the administration still run by the locals it won't cut them out.
I honestly could see the Magistracy wanting to take a few worlds.
The Marians have some pretty big Germanium deposits, which would give the Magistracy something else to trade aside from medical stuff and entertainment
Yea the Marian Hegemony is gonna become a puppet state, but the Lothian League and Illyrian Palatinate could be turn into members of the ORDI, while Circinus Federation need to be dealt with and turn into a other puppet state
The Marians have some pretty big Germanium deposits, which would give the Magistracy something else to trade aside from medical stuff and entertainment
Those are all located on the Capital world of Alphard, so unless you just want to give the entire Marian state of the Magistracy, which would no doubt piss of the FWL enough to split its focus from the lyrians to tell us to not do that, I Doubt thats gunna work. Also weirdly the Taurians have a few trade deals with Marian Arms Incorporated, which later would be used in the production of the gladius hover tank in around 2 years canon timeline. I sure hope the Tuarians cut off said trade deals they had, but honestly, all these details are easily forgotten when you hyper focus on the slave part of the Hegemony. I recall a few people were a little surprised the FWL had decent if not friendly relations with the Hegemony. It bet the fact many nations have trade deals with their industries beyond just Germanium exports. I need to check what other stuff the Hegemony has been up too.
Such as Alphard Trading Corporation laying some groundwork with Kali Yama, one of the largest military suppliers in the FWL, could see them pull some strings to get some gear sent their way with some greased palms. Christ i see why the hegemony lasted this long, they stacked the deck so that they would have as many friends and contacts as they could in case of a situation like this. They aren't stupid, their infact stubbornly smart. Again, stuff you miss if you only see them as simply slavers coasting on Germanuim exports.
I honestly could see the Magistracy wanting to take a few worlds.
The Marians have some pretty big Germanium deposits, which would give the Magistracy something else to trade aside from medical stuff and entertainment
The main mine for that is on the Capital world. The puppet government would be how they control the trade of it. Along with expanding the mining. There may be other mines in the other worlds but the only one we know for sure exist is the ones on the capital.
Unfortunately for the Hegemony, having friends ready to sell you equipment or send some mercenaries your way doesn't really help win against a few regiments and almost 800 ASFs already in your territory :D
Those are all located on the Capital world of Alphard, so unless you just want to give the entire Marian state of the Magistracy, which would no doubt piss of the FWL enough to split its focus from the lyrians to tell us to not do that, I Doubt thats gunna work. Also weirdly the Taurians have a few trade deals with Marian Arms Incorporated, which later would be used in the production of the gladius hover tank in around 2 years canon timeline. I sure hope the Tuarians cut off said trade deals they had, but honestly, all these details are easily forgotten when you hyper focus on the slave part of the Hegemony. I recall a few people were a little surprised the FWL had decent if not friendly relations with the Hegemony. It bet the fact many nations have trade deals with their industries beyond just Germanium exports. I need to check what other stuff the Hegemony has been up too.
Such as Alphard Trading Corporation laying some ground work with Kali Yama, one of the largest military suppliers in the FWL, could see them pull some strings to get some gear sent their way with some greased pulms. Christ i see why the hegemony lasted this long, they stacked the deck so that they would have as many friends and contacts as they could in case of a situation like this. They aren't stupid, their infact stubbornly smar.
The FWL is in no position to be redirecting massed troops to the Magistracy , while yes the FWL can bully the Magistracy to its hearts content even while fighting a war with a peer power , the same can not be said about ORDI , if the Magistracy decides to annex Marian space then so long as they preempt action from the FWL through coming to them first and cutting a deal in which the Magistracy will take up the various deals , trade agreements and business arguments of the Marians provided they are renegotiated to bring them in accordance with Magistracy trade laws , then the FWL won't have a reason to go to war doubly so with the Lyran conflict taking place holding down their best troops , after all how wants to deal with a two front war
if the Magistracy decides to annex Marian space then so long as they preempt action from the FWL through coming to them first and cutting a deal in which the Magistracy will take up the various deals , trade agreements and business arguments of the Marians provided they are renegotiated to bring them in accordance with Magistracy trade laws , then the FWL won't have a reason to go to war doubly so with the Lyran conflict taking place holding down their best troops , after all how wants to deal with a two front war
You underestimate how crazy the FWL can be, more so when they'd rather nip such a sudden growth in their backyard while they're at war. Most likely they would send in military supplies to bolster the Marian defense. If that doesnt work, they could just say no annexation beyond a certain line. So yeah, puppet state it is, if they dont quietly take over Alphard and its other systems not under our control first. Alphard does have an HPG after all, they can send a message about what's going on to the FWl, so they most positively know what were doing.
Yea the Marian Hegemony is gonna become a puppet state, but the Lothian League and Illyrian Palatinate could be turn into members of the ORDI, while Circinus Federation need to be dealt with and turn into a other puppet state
The best case is the Hegemony becoming a neutral state, not a puppet. Because the FWL is not going to respond kindly to what amounts to a hostile puppet state on its border, and unless we expand the ORDI to the Hegemony it has no basis to activate the defense pact in response to the FWL invading to stick their own puppet back on the Marian throne. And even if the ORDI does bring the Marian into the defense pact it would be really hard to protect given how far away it is and how close the FWL is.
