I don't want to sell to the FS. I doubt that it would significantly change the strategic balance of power and it will make the Taurians furious. It costs us 3 Influence and Influence is hard to come by. I'd consider it if the Feddies had technology that was worth trading for, because as we can see with the Lyrans this turn that can be decisive. But they don't.

If the Feddies get their ass beat, they're weakened and have to pull units off our shared borders/can't interfere with us doing things in our corner of the Sphere. If the Dracs get their asses beat, the Feddies will still be weakened doing it and they now have to garrison ex-Drac territory. Win win.
 
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Hey, her dad murdered a lot of people and took all the blame himself to make sure his daughter got away with her false flag attacks in this timeline. Have some respect for his efforts :V

Wasn't it the Royal Guard that did it in the timeline? Like, I don't think she was anywhere near it.

In OTL she's the one who carries out the chem strike on Davion citizens and like... has a mental break at the end. Everything she did, pointless, all of those innocents killed for nothing.

Given she hasn't demanded a duel to the death, or just committed suicide via enemy mechwarrior, I think it's safe to say she wasn't the one who launched the chem strike ittl.
 
Wasn't it the Royal Guard that did it in the timeline? Like, I don't think she was anywhere near it.

In OTL she's the one who carries out the chem strike on Davion citizens and like... has a mental break at the end. Everything she did, pointless, all of those innocents killed for nothing.

Given she hasn't demanded a duel to the death, or just committed suicide via enemy mechwarrior, I think it's safe to say she wasn't the one who launched the chem strike ittl.
In this timeline the false flags were fake pirate attacks, I don't think they used chemical weapons. Its pretty clear that post Helgan intervention her father pivoted to protecting her and setting things up for when he lost.
 
The main reason to be wary of her is the possibility the fed suns might get ideas to back her making a move against our allies to break up the ORDI.


However I don't think this is likely as we have done a shit ton to boost civilian lives in the AC and she knows damn well the Helghan will bring the boot down if she tries to bring the directorate back.
 
Hey guys, what say we send more weapons to the Federated Suns? We all know how bad the Combine are, yee?
Why? They're not the good guys apart from FASA handing out designated hero and designated villain balls and we piss off the Taurians who we actually like and are actually palatable politically. Both of the Combine and the FedSuns are space neofeudal juche, on a Doylist level their only substantive difference is that one is cosplaying as Takeda Shingen and the other is cosplaying as King Arthur. The only reason I don't want them to bleed each other as hard as possible is because they may be useful meatshields when the clans come.
Uhh she did kinda use chemical weapons on the Tauria Concordant. Kinda the whole point of the Taurian involement in the game was caused by her and her father commiting war crimes and framing the Suns.
ITTL, she never conducted the chemical attacks that killed thousands of civilians under the logic that it would be "worth it" and that it was for some "greater good". That means no psychotic break when she realized that none of it was in fact necessary and that all her crimes accomplished nothing; hence, the lack of suicide run at the end of the war. I wonder what sort of butterflies we caused that resulted in the Directorate choosing to employ pirates for their Taurian false flags, rather than direct attacks. The Republic's presence in the Fronc Reaches does change the calculus that led to the Taurians originally interfering in the Aurigan Civil War because there's already a fairly influential (and highly industrialized) polity that can secure their flanks, which means that Taurian support for Espinoza was likely lighter to begin with (hence, no incident that killed Ostergaard's son).
 
The biggest obstacle to her coming back and trying to re-establish the Directorate is that there just aren't a lot of units within Aurigan space to become rebels that side with her, and we would have a ORDI mandate to help Kamea keep her throne... so we can intervene directly with military units instead of playing around gingerly through catspaws like we did originally. If she scrounges up a few battalions of mercs (all that would be reasonable, I think) we can tip the scales with a division of our combined arms units and a few regiments of mechs. I don't think we have much spite to worry about from the ex-Espinozas.
 
Was there not something a while back about the Marian Hegemony selling the Free Worlds League a lot of resources and goods? with the war going on and now the lose of cheap resources and goods is gonna hurt there economy
 
I don't want to sell to the FS. I doubt that it would significantly change the strategic balance of power and it will make the Taurians furious. It costs us 3 Influence and Influence is hard to come by. I'd consider it if the Feddies had technology that was worth trading for, because as we can see with the Lyrans this turn that can be decisive. But they don't.

If the Feddies get their ass beat, they're weakened and have to pull units off our shared borders/can't interfere with us doing things in our corner of the Sphere. If the Dracs get their asses beat, the Feddies will still be weakened doing it and they now have to garrison ex-Drac territory. Win win.

There are a few things that the FS could trade with us that would be worth while, TSM for one, and there are some weapon systems that definitely would help them. Power armor and Helgen Lasers would go a long way to propping them up against the DC, and even the fight if they are using ER laser weapons already. As for the Concordat being upset well that can be managed. Overall the biggest spark point for us is the FS/TC relations, and ironically the weaker the FS gets the worse the situation becomes as it might give the Concordat ideas on taking back territory that by this point has been part of the FS for centuries.
 
There are a few things that the FS could trade with us that would be worth while, TSM for one, and there are some weapon systems that definitely would help them. Power armor and Helgen Lasers would go a long way to propping them up against the DC, and even the fight if they are using ER laser weapons already. As for the Concordat being upset well that can be managed. Overall the biggest spark point for us is the FS/TC relations, and ironically the weaker the FS gets the worse the situation becomes as it might give the Concordat ideas on taking back territory that by this point has been part of the FS for centuries.

Unfortunately, according to our status screen the Feddies don't have any of that technology to trade, otherwise I might consider it.
 
Hahaha, they're digging in with 4 battalions of mechs while we're bringing in ~4 regiments plus all of our combined-arms units. They're going to get smushed pretty hard here.
Careful, notice how we don't know there entire military forces just yet, just what our recently emplaced spies know. Since it was after all during this timeframe when they started making efforts to upscale their military, and with the ORDI next door it wouldn't surprise me if they hired every merc/pirate they could and raises for legio in an emergency (or already started increasing their military sooner on the timeline since major butterfly's). They got the money to so from their trade links with the FWL.
 
We'll be like America done right when it comes to nation-building.
We can even have a banner on a carrier. It'll be great. A short victorious war. In and out. Back by Christmas. We just need to kick in the door and the whole rotting structure will come tumbling down. There's absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong!
 
Say that reminds me, Caliban has been extremely quiet lately for the past few years. Last we heard of the Rebels went into the desert, did a act of terrorism and vanished. Did we ever, look into that? I know for a fact we didn't crush them.
 
Say that reminds me, Caliban has been extremely quiet lately for the past few years. Last we heard of the Rebels went into the desert, did a act of terrorism and vanished. Did we ever, look into that? I know for a fact we didn't crush them.
Who would ever think that the slavery terrorists would be extremely unpopular and would not be able to do much because everyone hates them.
 
No reason she wouldn't. She didn't do anything wrong in the war. Aside from being on the losing side. Not sure why the Republic is unhappy with her though. Since the Republic isn't the type to blame the children for the crimes of the father. The Coalition makes sense she is the deposed heir of the enemy faction but she did leave and has kept her end of the deal. She is never coming back but she is a reminder.

Also the fact the AC sent out a Battalion of royal mechs likely piloted by their elite troops means they are going to hit and gain reputation and fame far above their weight class here.
She literally served a fascist dictator responsible for genocide and war crimes, she aided in the usurpation of and attempted murder of her friend and ruler, and given the fascist responsible was literally her father she was definitely in his inner circle and fully aware of things like the deliberate gassing of Taurian civilians to provoke the TC.

She's a full on war criminal. There is no 'sins of the father are the sins of the son' bullshit going on here. This is one of the most absurd 'she was just following orders' I've seen in a while
 
Say that reminds me, Caliban has been extremely quiet lately for the past few years. Last we heard of the Rebels went into the desert, did a act of terrorism and vanished. Did we ever, look into that? I know for a fact we didn't crush them.

They've been active as recently as 3039. Technically we will have a "peacetime" 3040 turn in which we'll get news from home, so they're probably currently active contemporaneous to the war turns

Rebel forces on Caliban have finally made a move against the Republic with a number of important water pipelines struck by explosive devices and various other forms of sabotage throughout the year. While Republic security troops were able to respond to the attack within a short timeframe, a combination of the attacks' widespread nature combined with the difficulties of counter-insurgency work meant that only a handful of saboteurs were engaged and killed by Republic forces with the majority able to escape without a sign. While Republic forces were left mostly unscathed by the resulting combat, the damage the saboteurs did to the recently built water infrastructure proved costly to fix --the Republic forced to spend 50,000 C-Bills to repair it all.

They're unlikely to be popular to the public, though, especially once we start terraforming this year.
 
She literally served a fascist dictator responsible for genocide and war crimes, she aided in the usurpation of and attempted murder of her friend and ruler, and given the fascist responsible was literally her father she was definitely in his inner circle and fully aware of things like the deliberate gassing of Taurian civilians to provoke the TC.

She's a full on war criminal. There is no 'sins of the father are the sins of the son' bullshit going on here. This is one of the most absurd 'she was just following orders' I've seen in a while
There was no gassing in this timeline though (which she carried out herself in the game, I think); they used pirates for false-flag raids to inflame tensions here, and once we openly worked with the restoration, espinosa saw the writing in the wall and distanced his daughter from everything as well as he could manage.
 
Careful, notice how we don't know there entire military forces just yet, just what our recently emplaced spies know. Since it was after all during this timeframe when they started making efforts to upscale their military, and with the ORDI next door it wouldn't surprise me if they hired every merc/pirate they could and raises for legio in an emergency (or already started increasing their military sooner on the timeline since major butterfly's). They got the money to so from their trade links with the FWL.

It appears that we achieved strategic surprise. They're acting unprepared. I wouldn't be surprised if they are somewhat able to call in mercenaries and stand up militia, but the major advantage of doing this now is that there just aren't that many mercenary companies available for hire-- the Great Houses will have snapped up almost anyone willing to fight in a seriousface war. There might be some merc/pirate outfits hanging around, maybe some low quality lances, but they're either going to be unwilling to fight a serious war against serious opposition or will be chaff. We've penetrated their counterintelligence people and have some idea of what's going on; I suspect that if they had large quantities of mercs or had been rapidly beefing up their own forces we would have caught wind of it. The only thing that seems to be going on is "panic."

If the FWL wasn't getting smashed by the Lyrans and vice versa I might expect them to make threatening noises or deployments in our direction via establishing a tripwire on Alphard, or even use their deeper pockets to deploy mercs in support of their germanium suppliers. But I don't think the cavalry is coming for the slavers. The Marians produce low-tech, low-quality weapons in the periphery, I'm not really worried about their ability to rapidly stand up forces capable of fighting us.

Remember that the ORDI order of battle is:

15 Combined Arms Regiments (Helghan)
2 Battlemech Regiments (Helghan)
2 Mercenary Battalions (Helghan)
1 Mech Regiment (MoC)
2 Armor Regiments (MoC)
3 Infantry Regiments (MoC)
1 Mech Regiment, Mercenary (Taurians)
1 Mercenary Mech Company, 1 Elite Mech Battalion (Aurigans)

This adds up to somewhere around 4.5 regiments of battlemechs and almost 21 regiments of armor, infantry, or combined arms (and our combined arms is 10% powered armor, remember). We're also bringing 3 Hastas and 6 Damascus, which is 756 ASF for complete aerospace dominance. They're digging in with 4 battalions of mechs and the local defenders. In mechs alone we outnumber them probably... mmm... 3:1, let alone all the other stuff. And since we have complete aerospace dominance, we can lock down an entire area of operations, mulch the defenders and defeat them in detail, then leapfrog onto the next area of operations to defeat THEM in detail.

This isn't to say that the Marians *can't* hurt us. They can. But I really doubt this is going to end more than one way.
 
The only question here is how much damage they do before they get squashed. With our air superiority it should mostly be a game of find the enemy, bomb the enemy, repeat. Even if they unpack some sunshine, it wouldnt change much. They are done for.
 
The problem for the Marians is that even if they have nukes they don't have good delivery options. They don't have missiles unless ComStar is playing funny games and it would raise a ton of eyebrows if they did; true capital missiles haven't been fired in anger in centuries. Even so I wouldn't be surprised if we could intercept ICBMs with ASF. They aren't going to get bombers through our fighter screens or warships. That really leaves artillery or rocket munitions; Davy Crocketts, in other words, or nuclear mines. Those are unlikely to do devastating damage unless they manage to do something like salvo Alamoes past our ASF and take out one or more of our ships.

The Taurians are likely to go utterly ballistic and hand us a bunch of nukes to return the favor with, though, so I'm not super concerned.
 
AFFS engineers used modified logistics automata to deliver hundreds of kilos of high-explosives straight to the headquarters of the DCMS attackers.
so based on this i made a mass producible suicide drone for us to use that would carry 152 kilos of high explosive. basicly going "anything you can do I can do better!" to the fed suns.

Code:
Razorblade Recon and suicide drone
Base Tech Level: Advanced (IS)
Level          Era
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Experimental    -
Advanced      3145+
Standard        -
Tech Rating: F/X-X-X-E

Weight: 2 tons
BV: 12
Cost: 28,527 C-bills

Movement: 10/15 (VTOL)
Engine: 0 Battery
BAR Rating : 2

Internal: 5
Armor: 5
       Internal  Armor  
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Front         1      1  
Right         1      1  
Left          1      1  
Rear          1      0  
Rotor         1      2  



Equipment                        Loc
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Drone (Remote) Operating System   BD
SV Chassis Mod [Ultra-Light]      BD
Recon Camera                      FR

Carrying Capacity
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Cargo Space (0 doors) - 0.152 tons
Its got a range of 91 kilometers as well to make it extra scary for the enemy.
 
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I would recommend not to trade with the Fedsuns or the FWL, even less the Combine.
Trade with the Lyrans should be politically acceptable.
As far as the 3rd rate Space Romans go I'd rather hand their systems to the MoC, maaaaaybe a few to Lothian League IF they join ORDI?
My thinking is it that forcing the MoC to look that way will give Helghan more time to chomp up open real estate on their side of the MoC border.
Should start diplomacy with the Lothians and Illyrian Palatinate when done with the Marians, get them to join ORDI.
There is also Niops between FWL and Marian border, they have a star league data core but their government is shyte.
With the slavers put down and if the Lothians and Illyrians join/friendly with ORDI, the last loose end on this side of Terra would be Circinus Federation a pirate state that needs to be put down for well being pirates. -> Cede systems to Illyrians and Lothians, with that done ORDI will have internal trade routes to the Lyrans, not to-mention a staging area for when the clanners show up.
 
There was no gassing in this timeline though (which she carried out herself in the game, I think); they used pirates for false-flag raids to inflame tensions here, and once we openly worked with the restoration, espinosa saw the writing in the wall and distanced his daughter from everything as well as he could manage.

There was a gas attack on a Directorate unit which was carried out (in secret) by the Royal Guard. So no killing thousands of civilians this time.

Victoria wasn't really involved in anything too objectionable, from what I understand. Santiago kept her away from anything that might be an issue... for a reason I don't quite understand yet. Like, I don't think she even knew what Weldry was like for the prisoners despite Raju being there.
 
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