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If no one comes to there aid, most likely yes if very bloody. If the confederation chose to back them up. Yeah no.
The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone
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Because its better to be seen doing something rather than giving what amounts to platitudes. People expect the government to provide answers and solutions, regardless of how reasonable that is given the context, IMO showing that we are working on the vaccine and showing that we are strong and have allies is far more important than, who done it, right now.
As for the Comstar thing... people have been metagaming, and metagaming hard on the whole Comstar is actually evil from the start. I have little to no tolerance for metagaming, it more often ruins games/quests more than it improves them, and given this thread has repeatedly tried to go off the deep end its been a constant struggle to prevent that from happening.
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Assuming that the inner sphere stays out of it, yes. The Mandate is Successor State (heh) of the Capellan Confederation. Pre 4th SW, the Cappies had roughly 55 regiments of battlemechs and an unknown but substantial amount of support forces.* During the 4th SW, the Cappies took horrific casualties, losing something like half of their military to combat losses over the course of a year. Then what was left split into 3 different states, of which the Mandate was one. So depending on how they've rebuilt and such, the Mandate could have anything from 8 to 15 battlemech regiments.
The Taurians in canon, before the tech transfers, the defection of a merc battalion, avoiding getting involved in the Augrian Civil war, capturing several planets, Augrian reparations and an excellent trading relationship, had 13 regiments in 3025 and built up to 17 by 3050. Then you need to add in the Canopians (11-12 regiments), the Augrians (3?) and the Helgans (1ish).
In short, the Mandate is likely outnumbered by 2 to 1 in Mechs, 3 to 1 in armor, and "yes" in aerospace assets. Also, we have power armor, and they don't.
*Battletech numbers are wonky to start with at best, and they generally don't even bother to keep track of conventional support forces at all. I tend to assume a minimum of a 10 to 1 ratio between Battlemechs and infantry/armor, giving us a conventional military roughly 2/3rds the size of the Taurian Concordat. Others are more agressive.
The problem isn't fighting them, its what happens after. It takes way more effort to hold territory than it does to conquer it, given the mandates scale and how far away we are from it that would be a slog, and our allies are in no better position to do it.
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Then why not circumvent that problem by not conquering them? I'm just worried about if we have enough strength to check them at the border or maybe check them and push them back to the current border.
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If we go to war with the CM but not conquer them, then they are going to be a pain in the ass long term. Unless we dismantle Maskirovka and leave then with no other means of rebuilding for payback.
Not a much of an issue if we wipe out enough of her forces. If we can sucker Romano into keep throwing her troops at us we can defeat them in detail and leave her open to being annexed back into the CC.
One feild army moved up to hold the line, an a second to form a doom stack to roam around the front lines wiping out any unit dumb enough to away from enough support to face the doomsday. Which is all of them because no one does this kind of thing do to logistical concerns.
One feild army moved up to hold the line, an a second to form a doom stack to roam around the front lines wiping out any unit dumb enough to away from enough support to face the doomsday. Which is all of them because no one does this kind of thing do to logistical concerns.
In the interest of fairness, are all the Plan Methodical subvotes being checked to see if they are overwriting the plan vote for the people in question?
Installing a new government requires occupying them, which is part of the problem.
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Why not just occupy a little bit?
I mean, yeah the Taurian concordat also has a huge border, but the Taurians can take care of themselves, it's the Aurigans who have an issue. So just conquer and occupy a thin stretch of worlds and then establish it as a buffer state.
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Yes we already have a larger military than them number wise. And with the high skill level of our troops it is very much winnable.
The CC is a shadow of a shadow of its former self. They took an even harder beating than canon and there is no plot armor for them this time. The Mandate is also run by a hostile leader and is in an undeclared war. If a war happens they are far more likely to attack the Mandate to reclaim worlds than to help them.
Yes it is. A Division the equivalent of 10 regiments.
We aren't taking any territory and the others would only take the border regions.
Even with those it is still 16 votes for it only.
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So long as everyone is being heard correctly.
a buffer state the small wouldn't be able to support itself, and would be recognized as being nothing but a puppet. needless to say this wouldn't be received well
BananosMoon
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We gotta be careful here. What are our plans in case the Mandate collapses because it can no longer sustain itself?
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Let it burn and support our allies if they expand into the territory. It isn't our problem if the Mandate collapses. It isn't our job to help them unless it benefits the ORDI.
One option you're all ignoring is to let the CC absorb the Mandate back into itself. By all appearances Tormano Liao is committed to making his realm more democratic and increasing his peoples standard of living. I believe he'd be a much better neighbor than Romano and he's also someone acceptable to the Capellan people, so we could avoid any unstable occupation.
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It's a problem if the CC manages to retake a large portion or even the bulk of it's former Southren territories. If that happens, we would be dealing with a researgent Confederation who would be buidling to possibly retake it's occupied worlds.
we could generate good will with the CC by covertly coordinating with Tormano. we set it up to sucker Romano into deploying the bulk of her forces against our defense line then after she has commited we deploy the Doomstack at the same time the CC will crash into her weakened rear.
we get favor with the CC and establish why you do not fuck with us in one move.
we get favor with the CC and establish why you do not fuck with us in one move.
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It's going to be an even bigger problem if we occupy Mandate territory with the resurgent CC right there.
The last thing we need is one of the Inner Sphere states going revanchist towards us. Especially if it's the weakest of the bunch right now.
EDIT:By occupy I mean 'annex permanently', sorry.
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I mean, if the ORDI actually manages to take all of the Mandate's territory, the Capellans will be shit out of luck when it comes to revanchism, on account of ORDI being 3 times their size at a minimum.
BananosMoon
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Next turn we're going to have three research slots available. Organ cloning sounds like a great way to improve treatments and increase pop growth.
If I am to understand, Ferro-Aluminium Armor/Energy Shield+Naval Petrusite Space Weapons+Improved Fusion(and Drive)/Improved Pretrusite Reactor=true Warship.
We've been kind of neglecting our neuro helmets too.
Last but not least, further planet alteration tech should be on our priority list.
If I am to understand, Ferro-Aluminium Armor/Energy Shield+Naval Petrusite Space Weapons+Improved Fusion(and Drive)/Improved Pretrusite Reactor=true Warship.
We've been kind of neglecting our neuro helmets too.
Last but not least, further planet alteration tech should be on our priority list.
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I'm still pushing for KF-drives Because the need for and benefits of Jumpships especially since it looks to be we are going to war with the mandate. As it currently stands from what I remember our warships can only carry one dropship at a time and that's after doing modifications that limit it's cargo capacity. Secondly as we are currently using our warships as troop and vehicle transports that means when one is destroyed that's a large amount of ground personal and material lost. Dedicated jumpships to transport dropships that carry have the advatage of letting our warships clear the "sky" and allowing limited threat to inbound troops. Also when not using them for military purposes we could be using them for economical uses.