I'm sorry, but is just not a very good tank. Like I said, compare it to the Bethemoth. The Bethemoth mounts: 2x Autocannon/10s, 4x LRM-5, 2x SRM-6s, 4x SRM-2s, 4x Machine Gun to the Matriarch's: 1 AC-10, 1 LL, 1 ML, 1 MG. I strongly recommend you rethink the design.
Could you post a link to that please.
Considering that their all in the same space that argument for the mix doesn't really work if the lasers where in a different spot on the tank rather then the same turret they would work as back ups in case you lost it but since their in the same mount if you lose the AC you'll lose the lasers too, unless this is a rule thing I don't know.
Selling them for what? C-bills? we currently don't have a use right now for C-bills, which admittedly may change once that HPG station is finished, and building them will take AP that could be used on other things, if this was a plan to sell a competing design of jump ship to our neighbours while they can produce their own that would be one thing but it seems more like you want us to be producing all their jump ships that seems like a bad plan to me.
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So think about this way one each weapon is a different crit so the chances of them being taken out at the same time is relatively low. As for them being in the same space once again it's a thing of how Helghans know war is done with designing weapons and armies are used compared to BTech Universe. This is a tank that the designers are still thinking in terms of what we know to be the standard of modern combat today maximum armor for survivability and the main weapons are basically next to each other for accuracy reasons. They haven't figured out yet that they don't need to do this hell the Machine gun is a pintle mount by the commanders hatch.
Considering how many years it's been, the wars we've been involved in and intel brought back from the Inner Sphere by the Ravens they should very well have figured it out by now.
While true this is one of those things that it's kind a second nature for them to design the vehicle in one way because it's safe, familiar and that's how they taught. They are employing new technologies but they are using tried and true methods of design with going to around the battletech way of design is a very radical shift from what they know. I'd put it around say a decade before these experienced designers who let's say are at the youngest probably in the mid to early thirties are starting to be replaced by guys that have the knowledge and drive to experiment with a new design philosophy.
Wait a moment. Coyote, plese don't tell me that the only reason you're going for the Matriarch instead of the Behemoth, is because of narrative reason? Cause the QM said none of what you're insinuating right now.
Rhino (Standard)
Mass: 100 tons
Movement Type: Helgan Counter grav
Power Plant: 300 Fuel Cell
Cruising Speed: 32.4 kph
Maximum Speed: 54 kph
Armor: Standard
Armament:
4 Machine Gun
2 SRM 6
1 LRM 10
2 AC/10
Manufacturer: Unknown
Primary Factory: Unknown
Communication System: Unknown
Targeting & Tracking System: Unknown
Introduction Year: 3100
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-E-D
Cost: 5,103,000 C-bills
Overview
Introduced in 2952, the Behemoth was designed for increased firepower and heavy armor rather than speed or maneuverability. The design allowed the Behemoth to engage both distant and short-range targets, while allowing it to stand up to almost any type of unit possible
Capabilities
The two turret-mounted SarLon MaxiCannon AC-10s enable the Behemoth to deal out a great deal of damage at a long distance. The four front-mounted LongFire Light Missile Racks increase this damage potential, particularly in the forward arc of fire. For closer targets, two Harvester 20K SRM-6 packs are mounted on the turret and the Behemoth boasts two ball turrets, each mounting one Harvester 2K SRM-2 and two MainFire MiniGuns. The final two Harvester 2K SRM-2 packs are mounted in a half-turret on the front of tank.
Deployment
All over the place
Type: Rhino
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Experimental)
Movement Type: Helgan counter grav
Tonnage: 100
Battle Value: 1,337
Equipment Mass
Internal Structure 10
Engine 300 Fuel Cell 23
Cruising MP: 3
Flank MP: 5
Heat Sinks: 1 0
Control Equipment: 5.0
Power Amplifier: 0.0
Turret: 3.5
Armor Factor 256 16
Internal Armor
Structure Value
Front 10 63
R/L Side 10/10 51/51
Rear 10 40
Turret 10 51
Weapons
and Ammo Location Tonnage
Trailer Hitch Rear 0.0
Machine Gun Left 0.5
2 Machine Guns Front 1.0
Machine Gun Right 0.5
2 AC/10s Turret 24.0
2 SRM 6s Turret 6.0
LRM 10 Turret 5.0
Machine Gun Ammo (200) Body 1.0
CASE Body 0.5
LRM 10 Ammo (12) Body 1.0
Caseless AC/10 Ammo (20) Body 1.0
SRM 6 Ammo (30) Body 2.0I would keep the smaller one you already made and the calvary tank you are working on right now.
I built it as a lark so I'm fine sitting on the Rhino.
Plus if we really need to build a massive tank better to make RAC equipped one instead. Load it with ammo and armor and send it on its way to kill.
Oh no the matriarch is my design and I always think about what I want out of the vehicle the work from their like I wanted the matriarch originally to be a 100 ton fusion of a demolisher and Schreck PPC carrier but realized I couldn't make it work that whole thing about design is my internal lore Like the real reason every thing is in the turret is because I want it to bring all of it's weapons to bear on a target at the same time with out having to move and the armor was based on the whole demolisher part of survivability. Like I believe the matriarch in my plan is like version 4 or 5.
Advent I'm asking this partially out of a strange curiosity but @F0lkL0re's plan already builds as many Hastas as your plan does. So what I'm getting from this is your asking F0lk to change his plan to build more Hastas than the plan you your self wrote up, have control of and support?
No they aren't. They are building 3 and I am building 9 because the second AP I used is doubled. Because it says the same thing the tally does not show the second one.Adent I'm asking this partially out of a strange curiosity but @F0lkL0re's plan already builds as many Hastas as your plan does. So what I'm getting from this is your asking F0lk to change his plan to build more Hastas than the plan you your self wrote up, have control of and support?
Because we only need 1 more to get the lines to double production so the fourth AP spent will get the double production boost.And how is it that the second AP is doubled?
And how is it that the second AP is doubled?
I have no clue if we can spend an additional AP this turn to get two more squadrons of Hastas or if the QM just refering to turns. They didn't specify how AP plays into this.
Yes we can as I asked them this specifically. The Lines needed to have a certain number of ships built before they were properly optimized to increase the double production levels as the old workhorse Cruisers.
The Matriarch has 4 weapons total. Three of those weapons I know have different bracket ranges from each other. The only one I'm unsure of is the AC/10. So basically at most you're firing two weapons at one of the bracket ranges. Having all of its weapons bear on one target means shit when you're not going to be alpha striking with them.
The Behemoth at 100 tons has 208 points that are arranged in a 46/38/40/46 pattern. The Demolisher at 80 tons has 160 points that are arranged in a 40/30/20/40. Lastly, we have your tank, the Matriarch, coming in at 100 tons 94/78/62/78. This combined with its pitiful weaponry feels like you just made the Banshee of combat vehicles.
This doesn't give a reason why we should rate it better then the Behemoth.
Okay I've been thinking about it and I'm willing to swap the anomaly for a second group of hastas but only if we deal with the anomaly next turn deal?
Fine whatever. We can go treasure hunting if we have to. Even if I think it can wait it seems there is no helping people's curiosity.
Fuck you are you that fucking petty over one little fucking thing about my plan that you are really going to do this?
