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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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In a good way or a bad way?
Maybe, but I think they will not be taking orders from us, period. Any marine who managed to survive the long night will be extremely tenacious, stubborn and prideful-without those characteristics they would have fallen or become the bodyguard of some upstart war lord already. Lin and GK will not change that since Space Marines report directly to the Emperor, not the Ecclesiarchy or the Inquisition.
Alive they might be, but can we be sure that they are uncorrupted?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Of course they would never take orders from us we don't want them taking orders from us.
Any Marine that survives the long night either does so from skilled, stubborn and capable of adapting and picking their battles well not the idiots you seem to think they are, and they would have become the upstart warlord dummy
.In any case the GK are direct from the emps, so that's one up Lin is a living saint so that's another up, Smerfs are smart so thats a third up, the smerfs don't worship the emps like most astartes and they don't report directly to the emps your getting space marines mixed up with the Inquisitor's who's authority comes direct from him.
In short your version of them is not the one that probably exists, we have examples of old marines, they're smart, tenacious and are not very prideful and are very different from the standard marines, for good reason.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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@durin would not give us corrupted marines cease your paranoia.
How do I know this, they're an Omake reward not a random event.
Even if they were between the GK and Lin, if they are corrupted we will know when they start popping heads.
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All this debate on the Space Marines seems way premature. Let's get that intelligence report and see what it says. Then we can plan an approach.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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BY HIS HOLY IMPERIAL BALLSACK (wherever the hell it buggered off to), WE GOT SPACE MARINES.
......I need a minute.
......I need a minute.
Indeed... more important to think about is how they can fit into the Trust politically.
It's SV. Murderhobo is the default setting.
Actually, we have a huge malus right now, so I think we should avoid doing it. In fact, the option right above explicitly says that.
Yeah, these are the one I though we'd get along with best.
We are not giving up the Quartoks. They are our protectorate and we cannot abandon them without gaining major negatives with everyone.
Why will the Vanir see this as bad?
Maybe we build them a new StarFort?
Yup... the political implications are bigger than the military.
Meddle... how?
Actually, I think that is a really good idea.
There should be three volumes, since Jane deals with three different areas:
1: A volume on police work: How to establish Law and Order with the public's consent, and without falling to the Abomination
2: A volume on anti-chaos/anti-psyker work: How to deal with cultists and chaotic psykers
3: A volume on covert operations
The Blue Book, the Red Book, and the Black Book.
@durin Thoughts on Jane writing a book or three?
Way too many Vanahiem diplomatic relations actions. We need to stop trying diplomatic relation actions when we have a bad malus to our diplomacy. We even got told that in this update.
Instead we should probably spend an action improving relations with Svartalfheim, and then some actions getting advice on super agents.
Err... don't we need the Hold Ground action to start right away?
Way to many Psyker Hunting actions. Jane should write a book.
Shouldn't we have at least one Keeping the Faith for Vanaheim? Maybe for one year before starting Commentaries?
No. Just... no.
Sensors seem like they could be a life saver against certain enemies (like the Dark Eldar and maybe Necrons).
Agreed. It's not even just less effective, it's actively dangerous to be doing so many Vanaheim actions right now. We need to back off, and were explicitly told that by Olaf and Klovis-Ultran. Why are people ignoring that advice?
ReaperofInterest
Herald of Disaster
Which is why we should take the Stilling the Waters action first, as it reduces the malus.
Space Marines have long waiting times that can take years or decades before they have to deal with a dangerous situation.
The Avernites have to struggle daily.
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Because as far as some of their factions are concerned we're out to get them, and they are kinda right.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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What the ACTUAL fuck are you talking about? Why on Earth would Space Marines, who live for war and only war in a galaxy that KNOWS only war, ever stand idle?
The Emperor's finest are far too grand and glorious to allow such a travesty to occur.
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Warp travel yo. Unless there is a protracted campaign in a system they are gonna spend most of their time traveling.
ArchAIngel
Sorcerer Supreme.
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...Alright, that's fair enough. Still, they are plenty capable of long-term combat. But aside from time in-transit, they're pretty much always fighting, or recovering. I can't really see anything else happening with them, they don't really have a reason to exist outside of that.
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We already know how to improve relations with the Quartok, we've done it before. All we have to do is spend time with Aryz. The last time we did it our relations with the Quartok went up.
Preliminary plan (no boxes checked)
[] Briefvoice Turn 80
[] Munitorum
-[] Slot A Five Years - Hold Ground: Region Iota
-[] Slot B Two Years - Advanced Juve-Nat
-[] Slot C One Year - Crab Regiments: Planning
[] Helheim Void Command
-[] Slot A Three Years - Build Advanced Heavy Orbital Weapons Platforms
-[] Slot B One Year - Sensor Network
[] Administratum
-[] No actions available (see personal actions)
[] Diplomacy
-[] Slot A Year 1 - Ultramarines (Double Down)
-[] Slot A Year 2 - Stilling the Waters (Double Down)
-[] Slot A Year 3 to 5 - Diplomatic Relations (Svartalfheim) until successful, then Niflheim, and then Alfheim (in the unlikely event of three successes in a row)
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Inquisition (If failed and can be repeated, repeat. Otherwise move to next.)
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Midgard
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Muspelheim
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Svartalfheim
-[] Slot B Year 5 - Elite Operatives Aid: Niflheim
[] Arbites
-[] Slot A Five Years - Psyker Hunting until an Elite Operatives: Aid action succeeds, then begin Elite Operatives: Integrating Advice.
-[] Slot B Four Years - Psyker Hunting until a second Elite Operatives: Aid action succeeds, then begin Elite Operatives: Integrating Advice.
[] Mechanicus
-[] Bonus Survey Actions - Tranth's choice
-[] Slot A Five Years - Super-Elite Operatives: Augmentations
-[] Slot B Two Years - Year 1 - Preliminary Examination (Sun Beetle) (Double Down)
-[] Slot B Two Years - Year 2 - Preliminary Examination (Temple Cat)
[] Ministorum
-[] Slot A Three Years - Commentaries
-[] Slot B Three Years - Year 1 Keeping the Faith (Vanaheim)
-[] Slot B Three Years - Years 2 & 3 Those in the Shadows
[] Telepathica
-[] Slot A Five Years - (Xavier) Establish new Psyker City: Avernus' Spine
-[] Slot B Four Years - (Tamia) Battle Psykers: Permanent Formations
-[] Slot C Four Years - (Ridcully) Research: Island Turtle Hardening: Part One
[] Personal
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 1, Public Apology
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 2 Locked, Attend Emergency High Council Meeting
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 3 Personal Attention: Diplomatic Relations (Quartok)
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 4 Spend Time with (Syr)
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 5 Spend Time with (Syr)
-[] Slot B Five Years - Personal Attention: Region Iota: Found City: (Delta)
-[] Slot C Five Years - Personal Attention: Region Iota: Found City: (Lake)
EDIT/Comment: I doubled down on investigating the Sun Beetle because I think it might be very dangerous, and I'd like to avoid Seren getting himself killed. Similarly, the Ultramarines and Stilling the Waters seem rolls we really don't want to fail.
[] Briefvoice Turn 80
[] Munitorum
-[] Slot A Five Years - Hold Ground: Region Iota
-[] Slot B Two Years - Advanced Juve-Nat
-[] Slot C One Year - Crab Regiments: Planning
[] Helheim Void Command
-[] Slot A Three Years - Build Advanced Heavy Orbital Weapons Platforms
-[] Slot B One Year - Sensor Network
[] Administratum
-[] No actions available (see personal actions)
[] Diplomacy
-[] Slot A Year 1 - Ultramarines (Double Down)
-[] Slot A Year 2 - Stilling the Waters (Double Down)
-[] Slot A Year 3 to 5 - Diplomatic Relations (Svartalfheim) until successful, then Niflheim, and then Alfheim (in the unlikely event of three successes in a row)
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Inquisition (If failed and can be repeated, repeat. Otherwise move to next.)
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Midgard
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Muspelheim
-[] Slot B Year 1 - Elite Operatives Aid: Svartalfheim
-[] Slot B Year 5 - Elite Operatives Aid: Niflheim
[] Arbites
-[] Slot A Five Years - Psyker Hunting until an Elite Operatives: Aid action succeeds, then begin Elite Operatives: Integrating Advice.
-[] Slot B Four Years - Psyker Hunting until a second Elite Operatives: Aid action succeeds, then begin Elite Operatives: Integrating Advice.
[] Mechanicus
-[] Bonus Survey Actions - Tranth's choice
-[] Slot A Five Years - Super-Elite Operatives: Augmentations
-[] Slot B Two Years - Year 1 - Preliminary Examination (Sun Beetle) (Double Down)
-[] Slot B Two Years - Year 2 - Preliminary Examination (Temple Cat)
[] Ministorum
-[] Slot A Three Years - Commentaries
-[] Slot B Three Years - Year 1 Keeping the Faith (Vanaheim)
-[] Slot B Three Years - Years 2 & 3 Those in the Shadows
[] Telepathica
-[] Slot A Five Years - (Xavier) Establish new Psyker City: Avernus' Spine
-[] Slot B Four Years - (Tamia) Battle Psykers: Permanent Formations
-[] Slot C Four Years - (Ridcully) Research: Island Turtle Hardening: Part One
[] Personal
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 1, Public Apology
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 2 Locked, Attend Emergency High Council Meeting
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 3 Personal Attention: Diplomatic Relations (Quartok)
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 4 Spend Time with (Syr)
-[] Slot A Four Years - Year 5 Spend Time with (Syr)
-[] Slot B Five Years - Personal Attention: Region Iota: Found City: (Delta)
-[] Slot C Five Years - Personal Attention: Region Iota: Found City: (Lake)
EDIT/Comment: I doubled down on investigating the Sun Beetle because I think it might be very dangerous, and I'd like to avoid Seren getting himself killed. Similarly, the Ultramarines and Stilling the Waters seem rolls we really don't want to fail.
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A few ideas about things to do the next turns
As I see it right now we should use both diplomatic actions the first year (on the same slot) and maybe even a Double Down to get as much information as we can about the Marines and act accordingly.
We should also use as many actions as we can the second year (diplomatic and personal) to reduce our mallus with Vanheim, then do the public apologies the third year using as many personal actions as we can afford, and only after all that try to restart the diplomatic actions with Vanheim. That would be the best way in my opinion to keep Olaf in his office.
As for where to put the Marines, we should probably build for them another Ramallies Space Station where they can recover from their losses ASAP and when we have enough gene-seed to rebuild the chapter if any Catastrophe happens, we should convince them to move to Avernus, otherwise we they are too valuable to put them at risk.
Another thing we should also do ASAP is to put as many Mechanicus actions as we can (Explorator+Free Action+Double Down+Cheating) into the two Well of Urd´s Subsystems that we have left, so we can repair it, basically because with the Warp Storm dispersing relatively soon, the advantage that an exploration vessel of the Dark Age of Technology would give us is immense.
And for the Elite Operatives Aid, we should only take them when we can afford to use both diplomatic actions double down in them.
@Enjou and @Elder Haman What our best planners think of my ideas/suggestions?
As I see it right now we should use both diplomatic actions the first year (on the same slot) and maybe even a Double Down to get as much information as we can about the Marines and act accordingly.
We should also use as many actions as we can the second year (diplomatic and personal) to reduce our mallus with Vanheim, then do the public apologies the third year using as many personal actions as we can afford, and only after all that try to restart the diplomatic actions with Vanheim. That would be the best way in my opinion to keep Olaf in his office.
As for where to put the Marines, we should probably build for them another Ramallies Space Station where they can recover from their losses ASAP and when we have enough gene-seed to rebuild the chapter if any Catastrophe happens, we should convince them to move to Avernus, otherwise we they are too valuable to put them at risk.
Another thing we should also do ASAP is to put as many Mechanicus actions as we can (Explorator+Free Action+Double Down+Cheating) into the two Well of Urd´s Subsystems that we have left, so we can repair it, basically because with the Warp Storm dispersing relatively soon, the advantage that an exploration vessel of the Dark Age of Technology would give us is immense.
And for the Elite Operatives Aid, we should only take them when we can afford to use both diplomatic actions double down in them.
@Enjou and @Elder Haman What our best planners think of my ideas/suggestions?
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We should definitely do the action, but I'm not convinced that it's really going to be all that that useful. It gives us some advance notice on the Marines, but so what? We're still going to go to the High Council meeting and deal with whatever's presented. Getting an advanced peek isn't all that. I don't think we can use both slots on the same activity in the same year unless the action specifically says "can be taken multiple times".
Again, "double down" does not mean using multiple slots on the same action, which is not normally allowed. it's a special palace bonus action in which we double the cost of an action in return for increasing its odds of success. @durin used to put the rules for that under the Personal Actions section. I don't know why he stopped.
Again, that's not how double down works.
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That is not true, we can use double down once each turn to get a +20 on a single action, bet we can also take the action more than one time each year if we have a free slot including Mechanicus and Diplomatic actions, and for each additional time we take that action we would get another aditional +20 points.
And I already asked durin about this:
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Okay, thanks, it's hard to dig up those rules sometimes.
Well then, I revert to my stance that I'm not excited about the Marines, and I don't think it's worth multiple slots just to gather some information about them before the High Council meeting (though I guess I could double down).
As far as I can tell, the Public Apology Action doesn't have a % success chance. It simply works. So there's no need to spend multiple action slots on it. Beyond that and Stilling the Waters, I see need to spend a lot of this turn begging for their favor.
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About the Marines I think we should take the double down and the other action for 3 reasons: it´s the only diplomatic action truly urgent, we don´t have anything more worthy to spend the double down, and Knowledge is power
The Public Apology Action actually has a chance of 65% and I suppose that if we get a better result we will also get a better recovery in the reputation with Vanheim.
@durin A couple of questions
1. Is the Public Apology Action affected by the scandal Mallus?
2. Our advisors suggest to do the Public Apology first and then the Stilling the Waters or the other way around?
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Freya is dead remember