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Well for now they have too.
We're also probably the first non hostile/non ***hole bunch they've met.
We also have the GK and Lin.
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We're also probably the first non hostile/non ***hole bunch they've met.
We also have the GK and Lin.
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To where the warp storm
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He is totally serious. I can tell.
ebolasos
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There space marines, for all we know they've made some vow to do X Y and Z and want to get to it straight away.
Just trying to say not to get our hopes up
Yeah, great question.
@durin what is the difference between Delta, Lake or Desert as far as the long term productivity of the city will matter? As I recall, we can expect to encounter those heart-eating crocodiles on the water, and presumably the giant beetles will be a problem in the desert.
Personally, I'd like to build a city on some water, whether delta or lake. One area in which our miltiary is notably weak is water-navy troops. The oceans of Avernus are far too dangerous to develop a blue water navy, but perhaps lakes and rivers are survivable enough to get a river navy.
That because Alpha legion sabotage,I think this is the GM advice when we talk about how to rebuild grey knight order again.
Grey knight gene is more complicate than normal marine gene.
Doomed Wombat
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Doubt it.
1. The Raven guard was sabotage, the other two, the Blood Angels and the Space Wolves's try, also ended badly.
2. Yes he said that if a Space Marine is a 1 then a GK is 1.5.
Well Smurfs are not that bad. At least we do not get the Black Templars, who will definitely declare the entire sub sector heretical, try to launch a crusade against us, and getting slaughtered in the process.
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I have to admit that I didn't read much on the Black Templars besides their reputation as either ultra-zealots or possibly secret hardcore-atheists.
Would they really be stupid enough to pull a thirty men crusade against a heavily militarized subsector?
I'd sort of prefer that. We'd get control of the gene seed.
If they only have one strike cruiser and 30 marines they might not try anything, but if they have 300 marines and a small fleet leaded by a battle barge, then they will definitely strike, but in the end, the result will be the same.
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No they'd do it with 30.
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TBF we killed most of them in Orbit and the only ones that made it down carved a massive chunk out of our forces proportional to their numbers.
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I doubt they exist anymore. They almost certianly were eaten by the Abomination.
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Depends.
Its a split between abomination or Khorne really.
For all that the BT were hateful bastards they were non traditional as hell.
Regarding the group of Ultramarines, I would presume they aren't the grimderp versions that we've seen in some of the dumber bits of canon fluff. At the very least this particular group are certified badasses - for 900 years they've survived the perils of a hostile galaxy with no apparent port of call they could return to for resupply, repair, and reinforcements on a regular basis. Instead they've had to move from place to place, recruiting as they went, keeping their ship intact without a proper shipyard to maintain it. The fact that there's even any survivors at all is miraculous.
The fact that they've survived this long also indicates the group is adaptable enough to not take the Codex Astartes as an absolute set of rules, because the Codex Astartes likely does not cover the situation of "what to do if the Imperium falls". And unless they've got some wrecked Dreadnoughts we can reverse engineer (which they might, given they had the 2nd Company), they'll need to change their organizational doctrine anyways.
And a big benefit of them being Ultramarines is that they have really stable gene-seed, with no known flaws that we'd have to deal with.
Now, as far as their negotiating position goes, it's not weak but it's not strong either. They have something the Trust wants, that being the ability to make new Space Marines, but they are stuck with us until the Warp Storm dies down and we have nearly everything they need to build their forces back up. They also will probably cry tears of joy when Saint Lin tells them that the Imperial Trust was given a mission by the Emperor himself to survive until he's reborn, so the chances of them wanting to leave are slim. That said, they do have options in regards to which worlds they could recruit from, which does give them some leverage with regards to where they end up staying.
The Black Templars have more than likely fallen to the Abomination given their Chapter's culture, so their gene-seed would be corrupted and useless. If they show up, it will be with a crusade fleet to try to purge us as heretics.
They were Emperor fanatics, though, so the Abomination is much more likely. The notion of his death would be considered heresy, and they'd likely readily accept the Star Father as being the ascended Emperor rather than go over to a Chaos God whose forces they'll have fought against and already been aware of.
30 Astartes can be made into thousands, given time. They are elite units and can be used for appropriate actions, and will have their own hero units.
The fact that they've survived this long also indicates the group is adaptable enough to not take the Codex Astartes as an absolute set of rules, because the Codex Astartes likely does not cover the situation of "what to do if the Imperium falls". And unless they've got some wrecked Dreadnoughts we can reverse engineer (which they might, given they had the 2nd Company), they'll need to change their organizational doctrine anyways.
And a big benefit of them being Ultramarines is that they have really stable gene-seed, with no known flaws that we'd have to deal with.
Now, as far as their negotiating position goes, it's not weak but it's not strong either. They have something the Trust wants, that being the ability to make new Space Marines, but they are stuck with us until the Warp Storm dies down and we have nearly everything they need to build their forces back up. They also will probably cry tears of joy when Saint Lin tells them that the Imperial Trust was given a mission by the Emperor himself to survive until he's reborn, so the chances of them wanting to leave are slim. That said, they do have options in regards to which worlds they could recruit from, which does give them some leverage with regards to where they end up staying.
The Black Templars have more than likely fallen to the Abomination given their Chapter's culture, so their gene-seed would be corrupted and useless. If they show up, it will be with a crusade fleet to try to purge us as heretics.
They were Emperor fanatics, though, so the Abomination is much more likely. The notion of his death would be considered heresy, and they'd likely readily accept the Star Father as being the ascended Emperor rather than go over to a Chaos God whose forces they'll have fought against and already been aware of.
30 Astartes can be made into thousands, given time. They are elite units and can be used for appropriate actions, and will have their own hero units.
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Sigismund went into exile and on the Black Templars long crusade because he listened to a prophet of the emperor telling him of a vision he had and was later chastised by his Primarch for it.
If the Black Templars remember that lesson they wont fall because the abomination tells them to follow it. They will be more careful concerning any visions that might come from the Emperor.
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Actually Old Papa Smerf himself started changing and adding to the codex.
After all they had no idea what to do when they met the Nids and crons so they were caught flatfooted.
They will probably want to recruit from the whole trust, which isn't great for Niflehiem or Muspelhiem, but we're the big issue and this isn't complete arrogance unfortunately.
Avernus is practically a Space Marine recruiting world dream come true, the perfect combination of Catachan, Cadia with excellent education we're everything SM's look for in a recruiting world, the emphasis on working together is especially important for the smerfs.
Most people won't see this as bad, but the Vanir will.
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The Vanir currently dislike us yes but they will not cry foul if the majority of recruits come from Avernus. After all Avernus' soldiers and military culture are famous all through out the imperial trust so while most planets will be miffed (why wouldn't they) none of them will make a big fuss over it
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So we can have Badass Ultramarines and people are complaining wtf kit them out with daot shit and we have super Space Marines and who cares what the other worlds think we need them the most do their wildlife wipe out cities? i don' think so.Also get Lin to talk to them about the Emperor will help smooth things over if they do stay.
Unless we mandate that the SMs must take recruits from other worlds I really doubt they will take any from the other planets. If nothing else our guys are just flat out better soldiers even at the young recruiting age.
We should try to keep them off Avernus itself for now, perhaps base them on our StarFort. Badass as they are even SMs well take casualties on our cute little Hellworld and currently they can't afford those losses.
That said even with Lin we may have some difficulty what with our Xeno city and Xeno trade deals and ludicrous number of psykers. Just because most Ultramarines are tolerant doesn't mean these ones are.
We should try to keep them off Avernus itself for now, perhaps base them on our StarFort. Badass as they are even SMs well take casualties on our cute little Hellworld and currently they can't afford those losses.
That said even with Lin we may have some difficulty what with our Xeno city and Xeno trade deals and ludicrous number of psykers. Just because most Ultramarines are tolerant doesn't mean these ones are.
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You may be getting a bit ahead of yourself I am as happy as anyone else on getting space marinea but there are still a lot of stuff to hash out before we celebrate
It would be pretty funny if we got a double 01 on our "suitability for recruitment" roll (or whatever) and the Ultramarines explain that they're not the Space Wolves, they prefer to take recruits and teach them everything from scratch so there are no bad habits to unlearn. So they'll be recruiting primarily from Midgard, no offense, people from Avernus just come with too much built-in combat reflexes that they'd only have to unlearn.
I'd laugh so hard. And be so happy.