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But Frog said Chaplains won't help with their problems.
OP said they look for corruption and aren't therapists. It won't help their problems.
Frog said it won't actually help with their problems.
The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)
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I think that Aphocaries could help make the immolation more ritualistic and safer, not to mention help with the constant attrition of being next door to the Eye of Terror
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Thats Disingenuous. The post mentioned that they mutilated themselves because they resemble their primarch, and a black crusade is coming. those are two reasons listed to have more chaplains. I'm fine not having chaplains just because I kind of want to see a chapter fall to Chaos.
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Chaplains arent for Mental Health lol. thats the meme, but they watch their brothers and kill them if they turn to chaos. Chaplains can keep chapters from turning.
Edit: Too expand, I never claimed they were for Mental health in my post you relied to. I claimed they might need Chaplains because they have problems.
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All chapters have apothecaries, and the immolation will probably be ritualistic anyway. Salamanders actually do something similar so it's not even uncommon lol. Also S-Marines are tough enough that burn scars aren't going to be much of a problem besides being slightly weird.
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They already have Chaplains we don't necessarily need more. And Frog said it could actually make matters worse.
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And thats fine. He commented that after my post.
Self hate issue worse, falling to chaos bc of self hate better.
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The Text is
"-Ultrabears: The chapter has tamed some of the feirce Ultrabears of Sarzaz creatures of immense size, the power to fight Warhound Titans, and an immune/digestive system so potent they can fight on Tyranid or Nurgle infested battlefields and get away with eating their opponents."
It says they are big, and have enough power to kill a warhound Titan. It doesnt say they are as big as a Warhound Titan. Plus its a Sci-Fi world, with Giant walkers and monsters and hordes of minon climbing and swarming around. opponents will come to the space Marine on top regardless. I also just want to use the Spear Training again.
Edit: they have the power to fight Warhound Titans, not neccessarily beat them.
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For the boarding part the bears can just roll over, if they have no weapons attached to their back. For size, the bears would have to be pretty large for them to be able to fight a warhound titan at all. So they would probably be too large to actually use a commander mount and the commander actually be able to use a spear on the back against things of the ground. But if the bear has things on the back that can't be destroyed then sure spear training would be useful.
Though depending on the size the bears could be used as mobile command positions. Put a bunch of buildings on specifically designed platforms on the back and you have a mobile defense point.
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Warhound Titan are roughly 50 to 60 ft tall/ 17 Meters. Space Marines might be 2-3 meters. If the Bear is on its hind feet and uses its mass and Durability to fight I would imagine it would have to be at least 30 ft tall. If it has some Psyker or weird 40k Power it could be a lot smaller.
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30 feet tall on the hind legs or when on all fours?
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True but fighting and tipping over a Titan over are two very different things. I would think that the bears are about half the size of a warhound when on all fours. They would use superior mass and denseness to grapple the warhound Titan and take them down that way.
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That's assuming they fight based on mass and endurance. But otherwise yes. I would agree. I would argue that tipping over a titan is part of fighting. If you can get an isolated Warhound alone from the rest of its Legio then once it's on the ground it would be less dangerous and could allow the Hero killer space marine to eliminate the Princep.
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True. but what else would it be? Psyker bears? swarms of bears that are just better than regular bears? What else would it be?
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Yes, yes, yes. Lol. They could have plasma claws, they could be able to camouflage, they could breathe poison or acid or fire. They are giant bears from a death world. From the description it does sound like big + eats everything. So it probably is just big. But I wouldn't underestimate how weird non chaos stuff can get. There are Tyranids fucking with shit, Rogue Magos, stuff left over from Daot, bizarre Aliens and more.
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Or maybe they build massive artillery batteries on their back on top of everything you said. then nothing is surviving when in fighting range of those things.Maybe they just slap giant power claws and armor on em and point in the titans general direction
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An increased number of Apothecaries should do some good. It can help with the scars if nothing else. Since Chaplains can't really help on this front it makes sense.
I'm pretty sure that the scars, at least for this chapter, would have some religious connotations to it. Because of that I don't believe that the Marines would allow them to get rid of the scars.
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I was thinking more along the lines of keeping them from killing themselves doing it and the like. Beyond that they are expected to fight the crusades. So they will need the means to keep their numbers alive.
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They won't kill themselves doing it though? It will take MUCH more to kill a SM. And besides that they already have apothecaries that would help them. We don't need more.