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The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)

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Dlan the Wizard said:
This Chapter whole job, will be about stopping rebellions
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Counterpoint, the chapter crush rebelion and leaves, which is what most chapters do, maybe with a little message about what will happen if they need to return.

No need for politics just fear.

Red Bovine said:
Really feels like people do not want to listen when everyone else keeps pointing out that SM are not supposed to be getting involved in politics.
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Red Bovine said:
the issue with the Keepers was because they specifically constantly involved themselves with politics
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As you can see, one of the arguments that were used was SM are not supposed to be getting involved in politics.

So again, why are people now wnting to make a chapter that does?
 
Wardemer said:
SNIP.
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Because, again, the idea behind the Chapter was to change the political systems of planets. If we wanted to just crush, the rebellions, we should have brought Night Lords or use Raven Guard/Alpha Legion.

The problem is, taking this request wasn't good idea in the first place. Imperium isn't nice place to live in and rebellions that try to secede from Imperium are often justified. By taking politics and changing political systems we hope to create Chapter that wouldn't just crush rebellions, for that you might use any other Chapter, but also prevent them from happening in the first place.

I'm not saying this is the best idea under the sun as people pointed out before, but now we can hardly change it, when the winning plan will still result in a Chapter that is spreading democracy.
 
The chapter is for crushing rebelions, as long as they do that fast, there is no need for much else, i would focus on high combat power.

And democracy may not resolve the issue, the problem is that those in power want to seccede, it does not matter if those are nobles, elected governor or a comunist world.

The issue is corruption, the will of those in power to not answer to others or just pent up anger against the imperium (which becoming a democracy will not solve), not counting schemes of outside parties here.

What this chapter needs is the skills to cleanse an administration of corruption, and/or kill the leadership of these movements, the last would require to make the representatives of the imperium do their job so there is no unrest but i doubt that is possible.

So again why involve the chapter in politics? What they would need is statemanship skills to find the problem and resolve it (Ultramarines are known for that)
 
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We're supposed to be unfucking the Imperium not starting a Democratic Revolution in an empire. The latter is too messy and just likely to screw things up worse. If we make them based on the Word Bearers a revolution is bound to happen. Better to make them based on the blueberries as they will simply use the experience of growing up in a democracy to make themselves better at politicking in the Imperial bureaucracy.
 
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