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I personally can not wait to read this brain melt.
I personally can not wait to read this brain melt.
That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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[X] The Steel Leopard Sergeant
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[X] The Steel Leopard Sergeant
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[X] The American Agent
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What happened that the Chinese opinion gauge disappeared? Is it because it's too much of a mess in China at the moment to have an estimate of their opinion?
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Guangchu is now invading China. Chinese opinion doesn't matter anymore. If we succeed here we may as well rule whatever is left of China.
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the Japanese would have an aneurysm of jealousy, it would be hilarious.
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We are not invading China. We're reinforcing our favored faction in the civil war in order to be in a position to influence them more after the end of it.
HeroCooky
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Technically speaking, you are invading China.
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Honestly while we kind of know what is going on from the others perspective, i want to see what the Americans are doing.
other than that, the democrat and warlord are tied for me
other than that, the democrat and warlord are tied for me
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Given the relative sizes, I kind of doubt that would work. Guangchou doesn't have the numbers to garrison any meaningful part of China against the will of the inhabitants. And the sheer volume of industry and labor in any large part of China would be so big that Guangchou trying to exercise control over it would be very much a "tail wags dog" scenario.
It'd be like Canada trying to rule "what is left of the US" in the aftermath of a second American civil war. By the time that "Canada" had reinforced itself and integrated enough citizens and resources and goods to be able to control the "lower 48" parts of North America, it would no longer be recognizable as Canada anymore; it'd be, say, "Canada plus New England and the Pacific Northwest and the Great Lakes states all in one big industrial federation," then exercising control over "the rest" with probably some breakaway parts too far away and too locally strong to control.
Guangchou can't really control even a partial successor state to a large chunk of China; all it can do is be a valued consulting ally with significant influence. On the other hand, that still means that "Chinese Opinion" no longer works mechanically the way it used to, so the net result is still that this specific indicator goes "poof." None of the Chinese successor states are likely to be directly bulldozing into Guangchou and overthrowing its government any time soon, after all, and the existence of that implicit possible threat was always the underlying reality of the "Chinese Opinion" metric.
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Do you think it would be possible to significantly influence who would be in power or to separate china into several states?, because I'm not sure it's really in our best interests to help end this mess and to reunite China if we don't do something to prevent the future government from being similar to the one that made it possible that if they didn't like us we would be exterminated
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Do you think any communist succesor realy wouldn't be likely to crush us ?,without us doing our best to significantly influence who would be in power (puppet ?) or to do something to separate china into several states?, because I'm not sure to see why if we help reunite China the future government is not gonna be similar to the one that made it possible that if they didn't like us we would be exterminated
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I don't know. I think that Guangchou has enough weight that by leaning all of it on the side of one component faction, Guangchou can meaningfully increase that faction's chances. That is:
1) The faction Guangchou backs is significantly more likely to survive the civil war than it would be without Guangchou, assuming we don't back some puny pipsqueak or shambolic wreck that never had a chance.
2) If the civil war ends in partition (not unlikely), then the faction we back will probably hold more territory than it would without us, or be able to attain and hold those boundaries with less loss of life than it would have suffered without us.
3) If we happen to back a faction that had a good chance of winning and sweeping the whole country (hah, we should be so lucky), we can materially increase their odds of succeeding in accomplishing this.
However, I am pretty sure the following "not trues" are valid.
4) It is NOT true that we are in a position to choose the winner; random events and material factors beyond our control will play a huge factor in deciding who wins no matter what we do.
5) It is NOT true that even if we back a strong faction, they are sure to reunite the country.
6) Conversely, it is NOT true that there is surely no chance of any faction reuniting the country.
I'm not sure I fully understand what you're getting at. I don't think it's realistic for us to try and really control how the civil war ends. I think the best we can do is back a faction that is likely to sympathize with us, and hope that we can either just keep them alive and strong enough to be a counterweight against any hostility from other China factions, or (if we are very lucky) that they can reunite most or all of China and then continue to be nice to us.
Picking a side is generally a better move than some brilliant scheme to play multiple sides off against one another. Even powers that have historically pursued a "balancing" strategy (e.g. Britain's efforts to keep any single power from dominating the European continental mainland from 1700-1945) generally implemented that in any one war by backing the weaker side and helping them carve bits off the stronger, not by somehow trying to exhaust both sides by making the war go on forever. That doesn't work in practice, though maybe it's not what you had in mind anyway.
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I hadn't thought about some of the points you brought up and I'm not even sure what I was really thinking anymore (I think I was thinking of letting them killing each other until it calms down so in the final ther is multiple countries too concentrated on not liking each other to want to crush us?,i forget that some of the side of this revolution are not comunist or that on of them could won, sorry I am very tired), thank you for your answer it makes sense
ps do you think the tibet will be able to get his indepandance ?
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I know it's been a while, but come on folks.
In exchange for Free Tibet, resolving the Indo-China border dispute in Indian favor, and creating buffer zones for Vietnam and Laos, all said nations have agreed to interdict any attempts to smuggle arms and equipment into China.
Laos and Vietnam are part of CyPac as well, and alongside North Korea, Mongolia, and us are contributing some materiel and equipment for local operations in support of our favored faction (the CCP).
Furthermore, we leaned on Moscow to send in the tank legions and MiGs to also support the CCP out of a combo of keeping us happy (and the electronics flowing) and ensuring they both prevent a US aligned state from forming on their border, as well assd having influence on what the CCP would do after.
Honestly the Soviets are doing the bulk of the work on the entire Northern Front, while we're focusing on supporting our allies in the south and east.
The long term goal is a CCP that's more closely aligned with CyPac (and by extension Guang) economic and social policy, that will be able to manage reconstruction effectively (which were in a very good position to help with and profit from), and be positively predisposed towards Guangchou in matters of foreign policy.
In exchange for Free Tibet, resolving the Indo-China border dispute in Indian favor, and creating buffer zones for Vietnam and Laos, all said nations have agreed to interdict any attempts to smuggle arms and equipment into China.
Laos and Vietnam are part of CyPac as well, and alongside North Korea, Mongolia, and us are contributing some materiel and equipment for local operations in support of our favored faction (the CCP).
Furthermore, we leaned on Moscow to send in the tank legions and MiGs to also support the CCP out of a combo of keeping us happy (and the electronics flowing) and ensuring they both prevent a US aligned state from forming on their border, as well assd having influence on what the CCP would do after.
Honestly the Soviets are doing the bulk of the work on the entire Northern Front, while we're focusing on supporting our allies in the south and east.
The long term goal is a CCP that's more closely aligned with CyPac (and by extension Guang) economic and social policy, that will be able to manage reconstruction effectively (which were in a very good position to help with and profit from), and be positively predisposed towards Guangchou in matters of foreign policy.