That Time I Became A Dictator Of A Small Asian Communist Nation
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The carrier showoff would be a better option. I don't think we can afford to spend 8 actions on it this plan.
If someone wants to tackle that espionage omake that yields another 1 CO that would be super useful.
Especially if we need to blow another 3CO at the end of the plan doing diplomacy (I'd love to bribe the PRC and USSR into a Sino-Soviet Reconciliation with tech sharing).
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Ok, so it was just something we knew was happening historically at this time, not something from the in-quest news feed?
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Yeah. HC isn't some sort of expert on south east asian history, so we just point out stuff as we remember/stumble across it.
I hope we can get China to reign in the Khmer Rouge, because it could butterfly some really shitty geopolitical ramifications like the sino-Vietnamese war.
We also need to do Liberation Theology asap so we have revolutionary imans to send to Afghanistan to hopefully get the rural factions on board and prevent the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
In character, these would just be happy coincidences of us investing in culture war material to help convert the Phillipines and Indonesia - both of which we'd prefer to eventually turn red for our own safety and prosperity.
No idea, that lack of context really stifled my attempts to brainstorm what to write about.
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Barondoctor
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It was. "Murder, murder, murder, claiming nearby ideologies without really understanding them and murder"
I went fishing into the regional history, turned it into an intelligence projection instead of a history report (because OTL and ITT are different enough even a pure-perfect history report would end up off), and we got RADIO. Which led to bonuses. Which led to us more or less stealing everybody with more than an 8th grade education from Thailand last turn, lol.
Why? Because I am not yet great at planning, I am not yet great at political subtlety or sensitivity, but I am pretty good at super-rough summaries around identifying opportunities.
We're getting better, but I'm not quite sure we're here yet...
I'm sorry, but what liberal thread? Is this a joke I'm not getting? If so, I really want someone to explain it to me, I like discovering new jokes to
HeroCooky
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Well, the workers can form Unions and engage in free election of foremen, so there's that.
And with the US (of middle) A restricting/banning voting for minorities, glossing over genocides, tweaking of ballots, suppressing voters, Politicians ignoring laws, cults and terrorist organizations having political power, etc., etc., etc.
And here's the link to the thread/Khmer Rouge: Link
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Authoritarianism: Not Even Once
In other news, I've discovered something funni:
Baseline actions per 5YP: 100
Actions if you build 2 supercomputers 1st turn:
100-10+(2 actn/turn x 9 turns) = 108
Actions if you build 4 supercomputers in the first two turns:
100-20+(18+16) = 114
Actions if you build 6 supercomputers in the first three turns:
100-30+(18+16+14) = 118
At this point we have enough actions to build 3 supercomputers per turn:
Actions if you build 9 supercomputers in the first four turns:
100-45+(18+16+14+18) = 121
Actions if you build 12 supercomputers in the first five turns:
100-60+(19+16+14+18+15) = 121
Honestly I can keep going but I think my point has been made.
We can get good sources of +Rep/turn, then really memey stuff becomes possible.
HeroCooky
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Oh, that reminds me!Honestly I can keep going but I think my point has been made.
We can get good sources of +Rep/turn, then really memey stuff becomes possible.
!!!RETCON NOTICE!!!
Don't panic, it's minor. Basically, due to it recently bothering me to no end that a bumfuck (both meanings) country that got blasted by the IJN and IJA suddenly got capable of building and programming SupComps, massive electronic initiatives, etc., I am putting down a minor retcon.
Namely, you got a bunch of designs, notes, and other minor shit with the Laugpanzers, enabling you to do so at first, with your scientists taking over the effort/knowledge base.
That's all.
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Is that even a retcon tho? SupComs are just a natural outgrown of the infrastructure needed to develop IT electronics in the first place.
HeroCooky
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Yes, but minor, hence the "minor" part.
I just wanted to put it down in writing that you got all the humdrum around that too, instead of having that be an "Implication" for the thread.
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So long as it doesn't interrupt our Tigercoin tech tree.
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Barondoctor
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Something something robomensch. Ubermecsch? I don't know. But mech pilots as superior beings is concerning for militaries if just because it's weird.
Also for most of US political history labor unions have basically been the second most racist and anti immigrant group in the Us while big business and political absolutely loved immigrants for a few reasons.
-most blue collar workers were white so demonizing immigrants allowed unions to score political points even when said immigrants didn't cause lower wages.
-Immigrants and African-Americans tend to vote in blocs at that time so they were basically gold for political machines since if the machine gave them jobs or recommendations then they would vote for the machine en mass and often.
-Immigrants were often used as strikebreakers due to them accepting lower wages and longer hours.
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SMH. I can't believe @HeroCooky's two-timing on Guangchou. Aight guys, Imma try and sneak in an Iron Tiger in there. Wish me luck! 👀
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Just caught up. Think I'm missing something here. What does our action economy look like? As in, how many actions do we actually SPEND per half-year turn?
Which would be quite reasonable, since Guangchou can't reasonably have a population of more than 15-20 million people* and we're still struggling to get electrification out to everyone, while the US is a massively industrialized giant with a population of 216 million. Being ten times our size and with individual factory complexes that could probably swallow up our nation's entire output of the relevant commodity with barely a hiccup does that for you...
No matter how much Mad Science shit we can throw at our projects, there comes a point at which having a billion dollar research budget just comes in really frickin' handy.
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*(I gather Guangchou is roughly the same general scale as Taiwan)
Given that the US historically did develop the stealth aircraft being discussed, should we take this as evidence that the US has the equivalent of dozens and dozens of actions per six month turn?
Which would be quite reasonable, since Guangchou can't reasonably have a population of more than 15-20 million people* and we're still struggling to get electrification out to everyone, while the US is a massively industrialized giant with a population of 216 million. Being ten times our size and with individual factory complexes that could probably swallow up our nation's entire output of the relevant commodity with barely a hiccup does that for you...
No matter how much Mad Science shit we can throw at our projects, there comes a point at which having a billion dollar research budget just comes in really frickin' handy.
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*(I gather Guangchou is roughly the same general scale as Taiwan)
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HeroCooky
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Welcome to the Quest!
As for your post;
Action Econony for Guangchou is an effectively unlimited amount of Actions.
In detail explained; in TTIBADOASACN nations have their Action Economy assigned and explained on four directions: Freedom (A certain % of Actions are assigned randomly, but they do not cost anything) vs. Planning (Economic Goals are set, allowing for bonuses in their categories, but enforce bonuses/maluses for the completion of an EG), and Capacity (Using what your industry is capable of producing) vs. Potential (Using what your industry could do if supported via people, materials, and money).
Guangchou follows the Planning and Capacity directions, enabling you to spend however many Actions you deem prudent within a turn. However, this comes at the risk of using more Capacity than you can support, calling Maluses onto the plan, bringing down every Action across the board. Powerful if you need something done now, yer dangerous in the case of bad rolls.
As for the US (of middle north) A, let me put it this way: China has an effective Action Budget of around ~300, the USSR maintains around ~2.300, with the US having somewhere between 1.800 to 60.000 Actions per six months, depending on how much they wish to spend their monies. Their median usage hovers around 3.100 Actions.
Check the monies number you put down for CyberSyn and adjust for inflation.
Four-Timing. There's still Cult Creator (slowly dragging itself from an unexpected Hiatus caused by work, IRL troubles, and my PC commiting Sudoku) and Colonizing a Peaceful 40k Planet (Chipping away at the new update.)
Also:
The monkey paw curls, tigers with metal skin now prowl the wastelands of Colorado, Wyoming, and the other two.
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Ah. So the de facto safe number of actions before which maluses arise is something we must-and-can deduce from experience by examining past turns and figuring out whether we tried to do too much from the aftermath. Not something the QM tells us directly.
As I had suspected.
I take it that you are following the European practice of using the 'period/full stop' to denote numbers in the thousands? That is, "the USSR maintains an effective Action budget of around two thousand three hundred?"
And yeah, that makes sense.
The thing is, I wasn't really adjusting for inflation; when I said 'one billion,' I meant a research budget of $1 billion USD in 1975 money. That's something the Pentagon can afford to throw at a project such as developing radar stealth for aircraft, especially when integrated over a multi-year period.
Not something Guangchou can afford to throw around unless it really expects the project to be transformational.
Moreover, I was using 'billion dollar' as a nice round number in the right general range. Another way to put it is that the US can afford to invest a billion dollars in many projects simultaneously, whereas for the small island country of Guangchou, such an investment winds up effectively dominating the economy.
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We can do 10 actions before we get a malus. 6 actions or less gives us a bonus.
We have twice the land area of Taiwan and our population prior to the pop boom is 25 million.
We have twice the land area of Taiwan and our population prior to the pop boom is 25 million.
Communist nation with a tradition of starving population - with World class automation software. Priorities in a centrally led government.
When your nation is so backward that even the corruption is basically medieval.
But the difference is kind of insane.