Springtime of Nations II: A European Republic Quest

The Second Vienna Conference, Part 1: 1900
The Second Vienna Conference, Part 1: 1900


Ceding the right to organize an international conference to one of the directly involved parties is a major concession because it grants that party tremendous influence over the proceedings. Though this is usually not done in modern European politics, the usual state of affairs has been upended for the Second Vienna Conference, in which the Republican Alliance has full control over both the agenda and the membership.

Numerous envoys and diplomats descend upon the Schonbrunn Palace, which is already in the process of being converted over into the assembly hall and official offices for the Viennese city council. Nevertheless, numerous ballrooms and other meeting spaces remain open for the delegates, who settle into their chairs to begin discussing the fate of Eastern Europe.





What is to be done?

The Invitations
[] We will invite Britain, France, and Russia.
With Italy and Spain also present, this will make for a compact, high-powered conference that exclusively deals in top-level politics. The Great Powers are more likely to be interested in a divided Habsburg Empire, with a number of smaller new states that should prove more receptive to external influence than enlarged pre-existing ones. This will upset Romania, Montenegro, and Serbia.

[] We will also invite the relevant former League states.
Romania and Montenegro have territorial designs on various parts of the Habsburg Empire and it will be easier to deal with several of the areas you don't directly control if you can hand them off to other states. This will also improve your relations with and popular image in both countries. This will upset Serbia.

[] ...And Serbia, too.
Serbia has a long-standing desire to unite the South Slavs under a single national banner and this represents their best chance in a long, long time. Indulging even a portion of their ambitions will win you much influence and friendship among both the Serbian leadership and their pan-nationalist population.

[] What the hell, invite everyone.
Inviting every Balkan power is a bold move and will transform this conference into a general reappraisal of the entire region, including its borders and balance of power. Chaotic, sure, but it's also a great opportunity to gain influence on a much larger scale.


The Will of the People
[] No strings attached to any transfers.
EFFECT: +2 Leverage. A bunch of politicians draw lines on a map. Improved relations with the nations present at the conference.

[] All territorial transfers must be ratified by plebiscite.
EFFECT: -2 Leverage. Universal adult suffrage votes will be held to ensure that all new states and transferred territories have a popular mandate. Improved relations with anyone who gets territory out of the deal; reduced relations with anyone for whom the plebiscite returns a negative result.

[] ...And the territories must be democratic.
EFFECT: -4 Leverage. Any state formed out of the former Habsburg Empire or inheriting territory thereof must adhere to certain democratic criteria, including free elections for an empowered legislature. Monarchical states will retain their hereditary leaders, albeit with constitutional limits. Reduced relations with any country that has to write or modify its constitution to get territory (which would be most of them).

[] ...By which we mean they have to be republics.
EFFECT: -8 Leverage. No state may be formed nor any territory transferred unless it's to a purely republican regime. In practice, this forecloses on transferring territory to any extant Balkan state except the Istrian Republic. Severely reduced relations with any country so excluded.


The Question of Influence
[] The Alliance in the west, the Entente in the east.
EFFECT: +2 Leverage. The Alliance retains the right to directly reorganize all its presently occupied territories (Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Slavonia) while ceding all claims to influence elsewhere (Dalmatia, Transylvania, Vojvodina, Banat). The conference will skip any further territorial adjustments in the former Habsburg Empire and move on to other business, if any. Improved relations with the Entente.

[] Let's take this point-by-point.
EFFECT: +0 Leverage. The conference will move on to a new phase where each region will be discussed individually. Leverage costs will be modified by whether the Alliance controls the region or not. No relations changes (yet).

[] ...But just for the east.
EFFECT: -4 Leverage. The Alliance retains the right to directly reorganize the territories presently under its control. The conference will move on to a new phase discussing the unoccupied territories. No relations changes (yet).




You begin with 12 Leverage. Leverage will not be gained or lost between phases of the conference. Yes, you can spend it all in the opening phase and go into the next one with 0.

If the final deal is 0 Leverage, it will be automatically accepted. For any deal at +1 or higher, you will gain foreign relations bonuses. Any deal at -1 or -2 Leverage may be subject to rejection, counter-offer, or foreign relations penalties. Any deal below -2 Leverage isn't valid. If the system falls apart, I'll fix it somehow.

Please do not get worked up over the specifics of what constitutes "democratic criteria" or a "constitutional monarchy". Think the First Republic, but with a constitutional monarch.

Also, yes, if you pick a certain combo then the Leverage phases end immediately. If the Conference expands to a general congress on the Balkans, you won't need Leverage for those phases, just the ones dealing with the former Habsburg Empire.

The Alliance controls most of core Hungary and Slovakia so it gets to negotiate as though it controls all of them.

Please vote by plan. Looking for a convincing plurality, as usual. Here, have an example plan:

[] Plan: Best Friends Forever
-[] What the hell, invite everyone.
-[] No strings attached to any transfers.
-[] The Alliance in the west, the Entente in the east.

24 hours to consider, then 24 hours to vote.
 
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I'd view insisting on democracy without insisting on republicanism as worse in terms of getting countries to turn socialist than just insisting on a plebiscite, tbh.
 
[] Plan: Big Winning
-[] We will invite Britain, France, and Russia.
-[] ...By which we mean they have to be republics.
-[] ...But just for the east.

Yoink!
 
[] Plan The Grand Reorganizing
-[] What the hell, invite everyone.
-[] All territorial transfers must be ratified by plebiscite.
-[] ...But just for the east.

I believe this is the best option at the prices available. -6 leverage, so, 6 left, but "just for the east" keeps us from having to spend on Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, and Slavonia in a theoretical "point by point" reorganization for only 4 leverage. Also, inviting everyone gives us the chance to shake things up even more than they already were.
 
I say we invite everyone,republicanism for all and just for the east for maximum gains and for maximum demands.I really don't give a shit about the entente and want as many republican states as possible
[]Plan Liberty for all
-[] What the hell, invite everyone.
-[] ...By which we mean they have to be republics.
-[] ...But just for the east.
 
Yeah, I'm fairly sure we'll want to have some leverage leftover for the next phase, so insisting on Republics EVERYWHERE, while ideologically favourable, doesn't stop them from getting put under an Entente yoke. As long as people are voting in plebiscites, I'll be satisfied.
 
@Etranger what are the specific territorial goals of the Istrian republic and how would they feel about them being absorbed into a Danube federation? Would they protest that move not be okay with it? Refuse to join and form a small micro state with terriotral aspiration on it?
 
makes them easier to radicalize and shift to our sphere of influence though

The thing is, they'll be in the Entente's sphere, and if we try to snatch them from them, well, let's just say it won't be pretty. We're better off just getting them into our sphere first through negotiation, and then transitioning them towards Republicanism over time.
 
[] Plan The Grand Reorganizing
-[] What the hell, invite everyone.
-[] All territorial transfers must be ratified by plebiscite.
-[] ...But just for the east.

I believe this is the best option at the prices available. -6 leverage, so, 6 left, but "just for the east" keeps us from having to spend on Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, and Slavonia in a theoretical "point by point" reorganization for only 4 leverage. Also, inviting everyone gives us the chance to shake things up even more than they already were.

However, it says this, here:

" Also, yes, if you pick a certain combo then the Leverage phases end immediately. You won't need Leverage for subsequent phases if the Conference expands to a general congress on the Balkans." So it sounds like saving leverage won't matter if you invite everyone, one way or another?
 
However, it says this, here:

" Also, yes, if you pick a certain combo then the Leverage phases end immediately. You won't need Leverage for subsequent phases if the Conference expands to a general congress on the Balkans." So it sounds like saving leverage won't matter if you invite everyone, one way or another?
Oh, true - hmmmmm. In that case, my plan's still the same, since the point made above regarding instilling republicanism without socialism/reconstruction is valid, but that's definitely a valid point.
 
So I'm going to go about this slightly differently, and talk about what the Entente probably wants. I am assuming the other powers are irrelevant and that we won't consider giving Transylvania to Romania because lmao fuck the Hapsburgs. Based off the post and other baseless speculation, the Entente wants to balkanize the region, because it means they'll have an easier time influencing the fragments. Presumably they want to tie us down in minor diplomatic struggles with a dozen tiny countries they can influence and play off each other. I also suspect that they'll push hard for Transylvania to go to Romania, because doing so would stabilize the current regime - there were protests about a senseless war, but if Romania walks away from the table with a huge territorial expansion, then that'll probably placate the populace. IMO, we should do whatever we can to prevent that, which means saving a lot of leverage in the early phases so we can grab as much territory as possible.

Also, I am absolutely against inviting Serbia. They'll likely want to secure territory on the left bank of the Danube, which would mean they can cut off our use of it as a transportation route. If we don't plan on overthrowing their conservative government, then that gives the Entente a way to cut off a very important trade route for us in the interwar.

As such, I don't see any benefit to inviting the minor powers? We'd be refusing their demands, and inviting them just to say "nah, we're not giving you shit" would make them more upset than not inviting them at all.
 
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[] Plan The Long Con
-[] We will invite Britain, France, and Russia.
-[] No strings attached to any transfers.
EFFECT: +2 Leverage.
-[] ...But just for the east.
EFFECT: -4 Leverage.

This one leaves us with 10 leverage, which I am very much hoping to use to buy off however much is required for the formation of a Danubian Federation (not to mention reconstruction rights). Very, very tentative since this is a much more complicated vote.
 
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However, it says this, here:

" Also, yes, if you pick a certain combo then the Leverage phases end immediately. You won't need Leverage for subsequent phases if the Conference expands to a general congress on the Balkans." So it sounds like saving leverage won't matter if you invite everyone, one way or another?
That will apply if we pick "[] The Alliance in the west, the Entente in the east." since at that point we're giving a free hand to the Entente in half the territories, in exchange for having a free hand in our half.
 
@Etranger what are the specific territorial goals of the Istrian republic and how would they feel about them being absorbed into a Danube federation? Would they protest that move not be okay with it? Refuse to join and form a small micro state with terriotral aspiration on it?

The general aspiration of the Istrians is to unite with Croatia, but they would at least seriously consider being part of either a broader South Slavic or multi-ethnic state.
 
I honestly think the Republicanism option is bait, since yes, they'll be republics, but they'll also be Republics entirely influenced by the Entente. That's just going to end up with it backfiring ideologically against us if we ever go into conflict with those little republican states.
 
So to clarify, @Etranger , do we get anything out of turning this into a General Conference and saving our Leverage?

To clarify, when I said "subsequent phases," I meant that the phases dealing with broader Balkan affairs wouldn't require Leverage. You will still need Leverage to divide up the Habsburg Empire. I have reworded the section.
 
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[] Plan The Grand Reorganizing
-[] What the hell, invite everyone.
-[] All territorial transfers must be ratified by plebiscite.
-[] ...But just for the east.

I believe this is the best option at the prices available. -6 leverage, so, 6 left, but "just for the east" keeps us from having to spend on Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, and Slavonia in a theoretical "point by point" reorganization for only 4 leverage. Also, inviting everyone gives us the chance to shake things up even more than they already were.

In that case, I think that this one has my support.
 
I honestly think the Republicanism option is bait, since yes, they'll be republics, but they'll also be Republics entirely influenced by the Entente. That's just going to end up with it backfiring ideologically against us if we ever go into conflict with those little republican states.
That's without taking into account that we would be antagonizing all existing balkan nations thus turning them towards the Entente. We are planning a future war against the Entente meaning that antagonizing the balkan nations would open another possible front.

We have, at minimum, 12 years before the Entente war meaning that we have 12 years to turn all balkan countries into republics (much like we did with Italy and Spain) but this will only happen if the balkan nations have good relations with us.​
 
Question, @Etranger, in the case of selecting "[] ...But just for the east.", does that mean that the areas we occupy will not be discussed during the conference and instead go directly into a Prague Commission type decision regarding those territories?
 
I'm also leaning towards that plan, but I think C_Z definitely has a point about stabilising Romania, and I do want Romania flipping to us quite badly.
 
EFFECT: -4 Leverage. The Alliance retains the right to directly reorganize the territories presently under its control. The conference will move on to a new phase discussing the unoccupied territories. No relations changes (yet).

The Alliance controls most of core Hungary and Slovakia so it gets to negotiate as though it controls all of them.
tbc this mean if we grab just the east option that all of what is considered Hungary and Slovakia we get to reorganize however we like?
 
[] Plan: Paramountcy of the Democratic Republic (+4 Leverage)
-[] We will invite Britain, France, and Russia. (+0 Leverage)
-[] …By which we mean they have to be republics. (–8 Leverage)
-[] Let's take this point-by-point. (+0 Leverage)

We already snubbed Serbia and Greece during the course of the war, placing political considerations (i.e., the need to avoid aligning with or strengthening absolutist or semi-constitutional monarchies) first. Given that commitment, we should remain firm on it, and thus exclude Serbia and the other Balkan states from the conference or any possibility of getting territory. I'm also not terribly interested in giving the minor League states a seat at the table.

EDIT: going back over the existing posts, this is basically Plan: Big Winning but opening discussion on Hungary and Croatia proper in exchange for more leverage overall. In particular, this lets us influence the fate of Transylvania (i.e., deny it to Romania, a la @C_Z , which Big Winning does not do), but I'm also OK with Big Winning.
 
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