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Seeing Red [Naruto]

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Nottheunmaker said:
Actually, that's a good point. Orochimaru running is why we're here. So the forces attacking must've been here. Which would mean that all this, the ships, the guns, the flyers, the missiles, they were all here.

They already set themselves up on some island around here. This is just them going loud and making it clear who runs this place now.

We really need to make it a priority to look at the stuff we've captured. They're clearly here for a war.
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This swayed me. There is more to this situation that we don't know about.

[x] Race back to the western side of the island and get the measure of the forces attacking the town before retreating - making it a priority to take down anything there that might pursue them.
 
Yeah, that's a very fair point. Team 7 got what it wanted, but we need to at least have a better estimate of the enemy we are facing.

[x] Race back to the western side of the island and get the measure of the forces attacking the town before retreating - making it a priority to take down anything there that might pursue them.

Ideally, I would like to help the country, but one Ninja Team - unless it's on the level of the Sannin and even then there's the chance of injury and death -, can't truly face this threat now and survive. We need another army.
 
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AurelioBahamut said:
Yeah, that's a very fair point. Team 7 got what it wanted, but we need to at least have a better estimate of the enemy we are facing.

Ideally, I would like to help the country, but one Ninja Team - unless it's on the level of the Sannin and even then, there's the chance of injury and death -, can't truly face this threat now and survive. We need another army.
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Or Minato. But yeah, team seven in a couple years? Yes stay and do some army slaying. Team seven now? No, this isn't the kind of thing you send a team of relatively strong but not top tier jonin to deal with.
 
My guess is that someplace on Earth got ISOT'd into Naruto several in-setting decades ago. That explains the combat doctrines being clearly inspired by modern military forces, but having had the time to develop new technologies that tie into Chakra usage as well.

I, uh...

I suspect that in the long run these guys are gonna fuckin annihilate the Elemental Nations unless they start shaping up their combat doctrines real fast.

For now the few S-Class Ninjas that exist may in theory be enough to maintain the balance of power, but that kinda relies on the Elemental Nations actually, y'know, working together and not yeeting their S-Classes at each other, which is far from certain.

And if, say, Cloud makes a deal with these bozos and supplies a couple of their elites to tie up an enemy villages elites, then the ability to mass produce Chunin+ equivalents will let them swamp everyone else.
 
We shouldn't overestimate them. They're making a foothold now, but they're a long way from home. They've got a long supply chains until they can build local industry, and doing that risks it falling into the Elemental Nations hands. On this very island chain there's a very powerful anti shipping technique.

They'll be nasty, but if the local powers make a move to kick them out, they probably can't hold on. They've already pissed a lot of people off, unless they can make friends real fast I suspect the next few years will be extra bloody.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
We shouldn't overestimate them. They're making a foothold now, but they're a long way from home. They've got a long supply chains until they can build local industry, and doing that risks it falling into the Elemental Nations hands. On this very island chain there's a very powerful anti shipping technique.

They'll be nasty, but if the local powers make a move to kick them out, they probably can't hold on. They've already pissed a lot of people off, unless they can make friends real fast I suspect the next few years will be extra bloody.
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Given we really have no reason to believe that transmigrats haven't been showing up for potentially decades or even centuries I see no reason for this civilization to have not just had the ideas of the various military doctrines and technology introduced by transmigrants over a very long time. They don't need to have been a city or country that was moved over. In fact, most cities or countries that get moved over wouldn't have the knowledge or industry to pull this kinda stuff off. They have been preparing for a long time and have done tons of research.

Also, as you have said we shouldn't overestimate them, they must have limits. Even if their tanks and such are capable of matching a jonin they are probably not very numerus and not that maneuverable. It's hard to move tons of stuff over the ocean and if they had the ability to match the elemental nations as a whole they would have appeared a while ago.
 
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[x] Race back to the western side of the island and get the measure of the forces attacking the town before retreating - making it a priority to take down anything there that might pursue them.
 
I mean, note that their machinegun and missile barrage aren't actually taking out many Samurai, though its devastating against their more fragile ships. At the same time their use of mist is a strategic question mark because it should be hindering them more than the Samurai are.

Something is fishy.
Its possible they only have a smaller number of fully armed ships and armaments that the mist, suppressive fire and random explosions everywhere is distracting from.
We'll see what their objective is in the village - theres no reason for them to suppress the locals so hard and THEN send off fast moving units to the village when they could simply roll the defenses already with a focused assault.
 
Changing gears for a moment, does anyone have any idea where Naruto is going with his Mass Shadow Clone and Disguise Jutsu thing? He's put a lot of thought into giving them history, ninja techniques, and maybe even teams. And sure, it's good here for information gathering, sorta. And bluffing how many ninja are doing something. But it's not worth a lot once the fighting starts. It's creative though, I'll give it that.
 
I forget, do these guys have some kind of suicide technique that goes off if they get incapacitated? If not, we might want to capture one of the more important-looking ones for T&I. That'll end up answering more questions than any troop analysis.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
Changing gears for a moment, does anyone have any idea where Naruto is going with his Mass Shadow Clone and Disguise Jutsu thing? He's put a lot of thought into giving them history, ninja techniques, and maybe even teams. And sure, it's good here for information gathering, sorta. And bluffing how many ninja are doing something. But it's not worth a lot once the fighting starts. It's creative though, I'll give it that.
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Multiple Personality Disorder, Ninja Style
 
[x] Race back to the western side of the island and get the measure of the forces attacking the town before retreating - making it a priority to take down anything there that might pursue them.
 
veekie said:
Sounds like we can add an ISOT to the isekai clusterfuck
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So, we've got multiple isekai, an ISOT, Hisana could be considered a Lost Heir to a Founding Clan... Makes me wonder what other Fanfic Cliches are in play. Should we be looking out for a Gary Stu running around, very confused at all these changes? A crossover character from another popular series? A secret villain, worse than all the others, who was behind everything all along?
 
Silver2195 said:
Not sure about S-ranks, but they had four people capable of replicating the Sound Four's barrier. So they have at least five fairly strong people: Trenchcoat Uchiha, Trenchrobo, Trenchyuya, Trenchkon, and Trenchdomaru.
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The sound four aren't strong. With curse mark stage two they are capable of defeating two tried jonin with twice the numbers. They are maybe special jonin level. Stronger than a chunin is basically nothing if you are supposed to be an elite force. They aren't weak but they are nothing to write home about.
 
Iridesce said:
The sound four aren't strong. With curse mark stage two they are capable of defeating two tried jonin with twice the numbers. They are maybe special jonin level. Stronger than a chunin is basically nothing if you are supposed to be an elite force. They aren't weak but they are nothing to write home about.
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Sure, but I'm assuming the Trenchcoat Four's replication of the Sound Four's specific barrier technique shows that they were at least as strong as the Sound Four several arcs ago, not that they're only that strong. I'm assuming they kept their powers aside from the barrier a secret from Orochimaru.
 
Silver2195 said:
Sure, but I'm assuming the Trenchcoat Four's replication of the Sound Four's specific barrier technique shows that they were at least as strong as the Sound Four several arcs ago, not that they're only that strong. I'm assuming they kept their powers aside from the barrier a secret from Orochimaru.
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Honestly. The sound four held the barrier without curse mark. So it's possible that the trenchcoat four are actually weaker. More likely though they are jonin level and Trenchchiha, he who has edge, didn't want to risk them so he gave them the safest job. So, they are probably some of his stronger and more loyal subordinates.
 
Instead of an entire modern nation being isekied, I feel like it could have been one person who wound up like a century or more in the past who put together a nation of locals. They're dead now, but their stories of Naruto canon plus what they knew of the modern world's tech has been passed down.

That would explain why they use Chakra powered railguns, not chemical-based explosives. It's an Elemental Nation's twist on modern society.
 
Zedman7054 said:
Instead of an entire modern nation being isekied, I feel like it could have been one person who wound up like a century or more in the past who put together a nation of locals. They're dead now, but their stories of Naruto canon plus what they knew of the modern world's tech has been passed down.

That would explain why they use Chakra powered railguns, not chemical-based explosives. It's an Elemental Nation's twist on modern society.
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Yeah, while it could be some country or city that got moved I doubt it.

Probably wasn't one person but a couple over the course of decades. We already have evidence that transmigrants have been around long enough to convince Tobirama to add some fail-safes to edo tensie. They also don't need to have stories passed down. They could either A: Be a naturally occurring conquering nation, they happen all the time. See, literally almost every war. B: Have an active or a couple of active transmigrants who are either important or being pumped for information.
 
Iridesce said:
Yeah, while it could be some country or city that got moved I doubt it.

Probably wasn't one person but a couple over the course of decades. We already have evidence that transmigrants have been around long enough to convince Tobirama to add some fail-safes to edo tensie. They also don't need to have stories passed down. They could either A: Be a naturally occurring conquering nation, they happen all the time. See, literally almost every war. B: Have an active or a couple of active transmigrants who are either important or being pumped for information.
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I continue to believe that the fail-safe was already there and he just had more opportunity to trigger it.
 
Silver2195 said:
I continue to believe that the fail-safe was already there and he just had more opportunity to trigger it.
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Nah. If it was already there he wouldn't have needed to overpower the control the second time he was resurrected. So, because he decided that the way to get past the control was to throw so much chakra at it that it couldn't take it anymore it means that there wasn't a better method like some form of mental switch.
 
Iridesce said:
Nah. If it was already there he wouldn't have needed to overpower the control the second time he was resurrected. So, because he decided that the way to get past the control was to throw so much chakra at it that it couldn't take it anymore it means that there wasn't a better method like some form of mental switch.
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I guess my issue is that if there were changes as far back as Tobirama's death, it should have butterflied away basically everything, no matter how hard the trenchcoats tried.
 
Silver2195 said:
I guess my issue is that if there were changes as far back as Tobirama's death, it should have butterflied away basically everything, no matter how hard the trenchcoats tried.
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It depends on how powerful the butterfly effect actually is. If fate is a thing, which the whole prophecy is a thing suggests, certain things might be corrected for. Also, just because things seem similar doesn't mean that they are actually the same. Pure alcohol and water basically look the same but have basically nothing in common.
 
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